Umthombo: Idemokhrasi Ngoku!
Umbhali owaziwayo kwihlabathi jikelele, itshantliziyo kunye nonjingalwazi u-Angela Davis uthetha ngentshukumo yokupheliswa kwentolongo ukusukela ngexesha lakhe njengenkokeli yeBlack Panther ukuza kuthi ga namhlanje. Kwiinzame zakhe ezingadinwayo njengomntu obhubhileyo kunye nomfundisi-ntsapho, uDavis uyaqhubeka engummeli oqatha wemfundo kunye nemizabalazo edibeneyo yabantu abacinezelweyo. UDavis uthetha ngembubhiso yoMthonyama, iPalestine, ithiyori yobuhlanga ebalulekileyo kunye nendima yeendaba ezizimeleyo. โIdemokhrasi Ngoku! isinceda ukuba sibeke imiba yethu yasekhaya kunye nemizabalazo ngaphakathi komlo wehlabathi wokulwa ne-fascism, utshilo uDavis.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Yi le Intando yeninzi Ngoku!, democracynow.org. NdinguAmy Goodman. Ewe, kulo nyaka besimakisha Intando yeninzi Ngoku!'s 25th isikhumbuzo emoyeni. Ekuqaleni kwale nyanga, u-Angela Davis, uNoam Chomsky, uArundhati Roy, uMartรญn Espada, uWinona LaDuke, uDanny Glover, uDanny DeVito kunye nabanye bazibandakanye nathi kumbhiyozo wesikhumbuzo sokuphela konyaka. Ungabukela i isiganeko sonke kwi democracynow.org.
Namhlanje, sikuzisela incoko yethu epheleleyo kunye no-Angela Davis, umcimi-mthetho owaziwayo kwihlabathi, umbhali, umlweli kunye noprofesa kwiYunivesithi yaseCalifornia, eSanta Cruz. Intando yeninzi Ngoku!UJuan Gonzรกlez kunye nam ndadlan' indlebe naye ekwikhaya lakhe e-Oakland, eCalifornia.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Kulo mbhiyozo weminyaka engama-25, Angela, liwonga elikhulu ukuba uzimanye nathi, njengoko ubusenza izihlandlo ezininzi kumashumi eminyaka adlulileyo.
ANGELA DAVIS: Ewe, enkosi kakhulu, Amy. Uyazi, kubonakala ngathi lide ngaphezu kweminyaka engama-25. Kubonakala ngathi Intando yeninzi Ngoku! ibisoloko ikhona. Kodwa ndicinga ukuba ndinokuba ndicinga ngencwadana yeendaba ka-IF Stone kunye nenye imidiya eqhubekayo kumnombo wakho.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Ewe, ukubalwa kulo mkhosi umangalisayo, umntu ofana no-IF Stone, owathi kubafundi bentatheli, "Ukuba unokukhumbula amagama amabini, khumbula 'oorhulumente bayaxoka.' Ukuba unokukhumbula amagama amathathu, khumbula 'bonke oorhulumente bayaxoka,'โ iya kuba liwonga kuthi ukubalwa kunye noIF Stone.
ANGELA DAVIS: Ewe, enkosi kakhulu ngomsebenzi wakho kule minyaka idlulileyo. Bendicinga nje ngento yokuba xa kungekho mntu wumbi ozakugubungela uMumia Abu-Jamal, sakwazi ukuva ilizwi lakhe Intando yeninzi Ngoku! Kwaye xa kungekho mntu wayecinga ngo-Assata Shakur kunye nedemoni ka-Assata Shakur, u-Amy, wena noJuan kunye nabalingane bakho babegubungela ityala lakhe. Ngoko enkosi kakhulu. Andazi ukuba ngebesikwazile ukwenza ntoni kwiinzame zethu zokutyhala inguqu emandla eluntwini ukuba Intando yeninzi Ngoku! wayengekho.
JUAN GONZรLEZ: Kulungile, Angela, bendifuna ukukubuza - xa sasiqala ukuthetha Intando yeninzi Ngoku! malunga nokupheliswa kwesakhiwo sentolongo-yemizi-mveliso, eyayisemva ngo-2010. Kwaye ngoko uthe, caphula, "Ukupheliswa kwentolongo kukwakha ihlabathi elitsha." Apha singaphezu kweminyaka elishumi kamva. Umbutho wokuphelisa utsale ingqwalasela engaphezulu. Yintoni engundoqo ukuqonda malunga nendlela le ntshukumo inokuqhubeka ikhula ngayo?
ANGELA DAVIS: Ewe, uyazi, masikhumbule ukuba intshukumo yokupheliswa inomnombo omde kakhulu. Singabuyela emva ngeminyaka yee-1970 kunye nemvukelo yabazalwana base-Attica. Abantu ababesentolongweni apho abavukele iimeko ezimanyumnyezi nabo bathi makupheliswe intolongo.
JUAN GONZรLEZ: Ilungile lo nto.
ANGELA DAVIS: Mhlawumbi ibikokokuqala ukuba kubekho oku kuboniswa esidlangalaleni kwendlela yokujongana nenkqubo yentolongo eyayingabandakanywanga kwiingcamango zohlaziyo.
Ndothuke ngokupheleleyo ukuba ukupheliswa kungene kwintetho kawonke-wonke ngeli xesha. Ukuthetha inyani, uninzi lwamaqabane am kunye nam sacinga ukuba kuya kuba ngamashumi eminyaka kunye namashumi eminyaka, uyazi, mhlawumbi iminyaka engama-50 ukusuka ngoku, abantu ekugqibeleni baya kuqonda ukuba asinakuqhubeka sizama ukuguqula amapolisa okanye ukuguqula iintolongo. Uhlaziyo luyinkuthalo ebambe la maziko kunye kule minyaka idlulileyo.
Kodwa kuchulumancisa kakhulu ngoku ukubona abantu abatsha, ngakumbi, bethetha ngokwakha ihlabathi elitsha, beqonda ukuba asikokohlwaya lo mntu nalo mntu, koko kukwenza isikhokelo esitsha ukuze singaxhomekeki kumaziko afana namapolisa. kunye neentolongo zokhuseleko nokhuseleko. Sinokufunda indlela yokuxhomekeka kwimfundo nakukhathalelo lwempilo nakukhathalelo lwempilo yengqondo kunye nolonwabo kunye nazo zonke izinto ezidingwa ngabantu ukuze bachume. Olo lukhuseleko lokwenene, ukhuseleko lokwenene.
JUAN GONZรLEZ: Bendifuna ukukubuza ngomnye umba waloo ntshukumo, ngokunjalo. Uyintombi yabalwela amalungelo oluntu. Uye waba lilungu elibalaseleyo leQela lamaKomanisi i-USA, inkokeli yombutho iBlack Panther Party. Kwaye ubujoliswe yi FBI. Ngexesha elinye, i FBI ubenawe kuluhlu lwayo lwe-10 eyona nto ifunwa yimbacu eMelika. Ukanti namhlanje, amanye awona mazwi angxolayo phakathi kolutsha oluqala ngokutsha eMelika, ngakumbi kwiikhampasi zasekholejini nakwizangqa zobukrelekrele ezikumgangatho ophakathi, azichasanga ngokuphandle okanye azinalwazi ngezona zifundo zibalulekileyo zePanther Party, iiNkosi eziselula kunye namanani. njengoMalcolm X, wena kunye neWEBHU uDu Bois, bonke bakhuthaza imfuneko yokulwa nobuhlanga obucwangcisiweyo kuphela kodwa nokuzabalazela ubumbano lwabantu abacinezelweyo bazo zonke iintlanga, umanyano lwabasebenzi ngokuchasene ne-imperialism. Kodwa lo mkhwa mtsha ngoku, kubonakala kum, ugxile ngakumbi kwisazisi sobuhlanga, ucalucalulo lomntu ngamnye kunye nokuchasana noBumnyama njengowona mbuzo uphambili wotshintsho lwentlalo. Kwaye ngokwenza oko, bavakalisa uhlobo olungokwembali lobuzwe, into esasiyibiza ngokuba yiYoung Lords ngelo xesha โubuzwe benyama yehagu.โ Iqela lePanther, ngokunjalo, layibiza ngolo hlobo. Abanye bade bafune kumajelo eendaba ezentlalo ukuba bakucime kunye namava aphilayo kunye nokuzincama kwamaSocialists abukhali kunye nentshukumo yoguquko phakathi koluntu oluNtsundu noBrown. Ndiyazibuza ukuba ucinga ntoni ngalonto? Ndikuvile uthetha ngayo, ndiyacinga, kwiqonga eliseJamani kutsha nje.
ANGELA DAVIS: Ewe, ewe. Ewe, ndidanile kakhulu kukuba asinako ukuqonda koluntu ngokubanzi malunga nokuba kuthetha ukuthini ukuma ngokuchasene nocalucalulo, ukuba ubuhlanga sesona siseko seli lizwe, sisekelwe kubukoloniyali kunye nobukhoboka. Kwaye oko kuthetha ukuba, kwindawo yokuqala, kubalulekile ukuqonda unxibelelwano phakathi kwabantu boMthonyama kunye nabantu bomnombo waseAfrika. Akunakwenzeka ukubalisa ibali labantu bomnombo waseAfrika kumazwe aseMelika ngaphandle kokubalisa ngebali labantu bomthonyama.
Uyazi, ndicinga ukuba xa sincokola ngokunzulu nabantu abaselula abafuna ngokwenene ukufunda, baye baqalise ukuyifumana. Baqala ukuqaphela ukuba asikwazi ukusebenzisana nale ngcamango emxinwa malunga noBuMnyama kwaye ngubani obala njengoMnyama kunye neenzame zokugxotha oko kudla ngokubizwa ngokuba nguMnyama wezopolitiko. Kwaye, ewe, uDu Bois wasifundisa kumashumi eminyaka eyadlulayo ukuba isizathu sokuchonga unxibelelwano kunye nobudlelwane phakathi kwabantu baseAfrika kunye nabantu bomnombo waseAfrika akananto yakwenza nebhayoloji okanye imfuzo yoBumnyama, kodwa kunento yokwenza nemizabalazo echaseneyo. i-impiriyali, yonke into enxulumene nomzabalazo wehlabathi wehlabathi elingcono. Kodwa ke, siyaziqhuba ezo ncoko.
Kwaye eneneni ndichukumisekile yinto yokuba ukwanda kwamanani abantu bayayiqonda indlela ekubaluleke ngayo ukuba nembono ye-decolonial okanye echasene ne-impiriyalist. Ukuba besingalindelanga ukuba ukupheliswa kube yinto ephambili kwintetho kawonke-wonke ekuqaleni kwenkulungwane yama-21-kwaye kuye kwaba njalo-ke ndicinga ukuba sinokuba nethemba elingakumbi malunga nokukhuthaza abantu ukuba bacinge ngokunzulu. malunga nemizabalazo yexesha elizayo echasene nobuhlanga.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Angela, bendifuna ukukubuza ngezi ndaba zamva nje. Irhuluneli yeRiphabhlikhi yaseMntla Dakota uDoug Burgum utyikitye umthetho ovala ukufundiswa kwethiyori yobuhlanga ebaluleke kakhulu, ngoko ke izikolo zikarhulumente zithintelwe ekufundiseni abafundi ukuba, ngokucaphula, "ubuhlanga bufakwe ngokwenkqubo kuluntu lwaseMelika." Abagxeki bathi umthetho unokuvala ukufundiswa kobukhoboka, ukuguqulwa kwamalungelo kunye nentshukumo yamalungelo oluntu. Nkqu nengxoxo yomthetho osandulโ ukuwiswa ngoku akuvumelekanga kwizikolo zaseMntla Dakota. Kwaye uyayibona le nto isenzeka kwilizwe liphela. Uyazi, ndiyabona Intando yeninzi Ngoku! kwaye, ngokubanzi, imidiya ezimeleyo, elinye lamagunya ayo, ngaphandle kokuqinisekisa ukuba kukho iqonga labantu ukuba bathethe ngokwabo, lizisa umxholo wembali kuyo yonke into. Ke, xa sithetha ngawe namhlanje, ngo-2021, uhlala ubuyela umva ngexesha, kwaye ujonge kwikamva. Uthetha ngemizabalazo yee-'60s kunye nento eyenzekayo ngoku. Kuthekani ngale ntshukumo ichasene nemfundo eMelika?
ANGELA DAVIS: Ewe, Amy, ndicinga ukuba le nto siyibonayo ngalo mzuzu kungquzulwano olukhulu phakathi kwamandla exesha elidlulileyo kunye namandla ekamva. Iphulo elichasene nokufundisa ithiyori yobuhlanga ebaluleke kakhulu ezikolweni - ngoku, okokuqala nje, ithiyori yobuhlanga ebaluleke kakhulu ayifundiswa kwizikolo eziphakamileyo. Kwaye ndinqwenela ukuba ithiyori yobuhlanga ifundiswe kwinqanaba leyunivesithi. Kodwa ithiyori yobuhlanga ebaluleke kakhulu iye yaba ngumbono wazo naziphi na iingxoxo malunga nobuhlanga, nayiphi na inzame yokuzibandakanya kwimfundo yabafundi kwizikolo zethu malunga nembali yeli lizwe kunye neMelika kunye neplanethi. Naziphi na iingxoxo malunga nobukhoboka njengento esisiseko yeli lizwe ziyathintelwa, ngokutsho kwabaxhasi bokususa, ukucaphula, "ithiyori yobuhlanga ebalulekileyo" ezikolweni.
Kodwa masingalahlekiswa ligama abalisebenzisayo. Eyona nto siyibonayo yimigudu yemikhosi yolawulo lwabamhlophe yokubuyisela ulawulo ababenalo ngaphambili. Ke, ndicinga ukuba kubaluleke kakhulu ukuzibandakanya kwiintlobo zemizamo yokuthintela ekuhlanganiseni uloyiso kummandla wemfundo. Kwaye, ngokuqinisekileyo, abo bethu basebenzayo kwintlangano yokubhangisa babona imfundo njengento engundoqo kwinkqubo yokuchithwa kwentolongo, njengento engundoqo kwinkqubo yokucinga ngeendlela ezintsha zokhuseleko kunye nokhuseleko ezinokuthatha indawo yobundlobongela bamapolisa.
JUAN GONZรLEZ: U-Angela, ndiyazibuza ukuba ungathetha na ngesoyikiso esikhulayo sobufascism kunye ne-authoritarianism apha e-United States. Ngokucacileyo, iminyhadala ye-6 kaJanuwari, ndiyacinga, yayilubizo lokuvusa abo bangazange bavuke ngexesha lobumongameli bukaTrump. Kodwa imiqondiso, hayi e-United States kuphela kodwa kuninzi lwaseNtshona Yurophu, yeyokuba iphiko lasekunene, i-fascist kunye ne-populist-intshukumo yaphiko lasekunene kunye neentshukumo zobuFasi zihlala zikhula. Uluvo lwakho lokuba inkqubela phambili kunye neeradicals zinokumanyana njani ukubetha umva lo msinga apha e-United States?
ANGELA DAVIS: Ewe, ewe, ngethamsanqa, siye sakwazi ukukhupha i-fascism kwi-White House. Kodwa ndicinga ukuba abantu bahlala bengaboni ngasonye kwaye bacinge ukuba ngokugxotha amandla e-fascism kwi-White House, ukuba sihlanganise uloyiso. Hayi, oku kufana nokubetha, njengoko i-Gramsci ingabonisa, ukuba kufuneka siqhubeke nomzamo wokucela umngeni kwi-fascism, ngokuqinisekileyo, ixhomekeke kubuhlanga kweli lizwe kunye nobukhulu obumhlophe njengendlela ezibonakalisa ngayo. Ikhona iBrazil, ewe, kwaye sibona imizamo eqhubekayo yokucela umngeni, uyazi, yintoni eyenziwe yimikhosi eyoyikekayo ye-fascism kweli lizwe.
Ndingacebisa ukuba apha e-US, ukuba sizimisele malunga nokuba siphumelele kwi-fascism, kufuneka sibe nombono wamazwe ngamazwe. Asikwazi ukugxila nje kwinto eyenzekayo eWashington. Asinakusuka sigxile kwimiba yasekhaya kuphela. Kufuneka sibe nokuqonda ngakumbi okwenzeka eBrazil, kwiiPhilippines, eMzantsi Afrika, ePalestina, kulo lonke elaseYurophu. Kwaye, kunjalo, kungenxa yoko le nto sifuna Intando yeninzi Ngoku! Intando yeninzi Ngoku! isinceda ukuba sibeke imiba yethu yasekhaya kunye nemizabalazo ngaphakathi kwimeko yeemfazwe zehlabathi ezichasene ne-fascism, ngokuchasene nokutshintsha kwemozulu, ngakumbi ngokuchasene nokutshintsha kwemozulu, ngokuchasene nobuhlanga. Siyaqonda ukuba ubuhlanga asiyonto yase-US, ingeyiyo eyona nto yaseMzantsi Afrika. Ichaphazele umoya wethu wehlabathi.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Uyazi, uthethe ngePalestina, u-Angela. Kwaye ngo-2019, wawuchulumancile xa iBirmingham Civil Rights Institute ibhengeza ukuba uza kufumana iMbasa yamaLungelo oLuntu kaFred Shuttlesworth. Ndithetha ukuthi, uvela eBirmingham, kwaye ubuyela ekhaya, kwaye yayiza kuba ngulo mbhiyozo mkhulu. Ke sigqibele ngokukulandela ubuyela eBirmingham, kodwa oku kwakusemva kokuba iziko lirhoxise ibhaso, kuxelwe ukuba kungenxa yobutshantliziyo bakho malunga nePalestina. Ndiyathetha, oku kwaba yi-brouhaha enkulu. Ekugqibeleni, amawaka abantu-kwaye silugubungele lonke olu hambo uluthathileyo-baphume baya kwiziko lendibano ukukuva uthetha, ukubonisa inkxaso yabo. Eli ziko lalihlazekile. Abantu barhoxa ebhodini. Ekugqibeleni, basijikile isigqibo sabo, kwaye ulifumene ibhaso likaFred Shuttlesworth. Ndiyathetha, yayiluchungechunge olumangalisayo lweenyanga, kwenzeka ntoni. Kwaye bendizibuza ukuba unokuthetha na malunga naloo nto kunye neengcebiso onazo kwabanye abaye bahlaselwa ngenxa yenkxaso yabo yasePalestina.
ANGELA DAVIS: Ewe, ewe, Amy, yayingamava angakholelekiyo lawo. Kwaye ndonwabile ngoku malunga nengqalelo yokuba iPalestine iqokelele kwindawo efana neBirmingham, Alabama. Uninzi lwabantu abaye babandakanyeka kwiinzame zokuphikisa isigqibo sebhodi yeBirmingham Civil Rights Institute babengaqhelananga nemizabalazo yasePalestina. Kodwa kwinkqubo yokuqaphela ukuba wonke umntu ufanelwe ingqwalasela yabalwela amalungelo oluntu, umntu akanako ukuxhasa amalungelo oluntu ngaphandle koluntu oluthile okanye imizabalazo ethile okanye amazwe athile. Kwaye ke ndonwabile ukuqaphela ngoku ukuba abantu ababengabandakanyekanga kwiphulo lobulungisa ePalestine baye bajoyina loo mbutho - abantu abaMnyama, abantu abangamaYuda.
Kwaye njengomntu othathe inxaxheba phantse bonke ubomi bam kwimizabalazo engqonge iPalestine, njengoko izinto zisenzima-kwaye sibona ukukhutshwa kuqhubeleka ukwenzeka. Sibona iinzame zokudibanisa ulawulo lweZionist, zombini apho kwaye-kummandla nakwihlabathi liphela. Kodwa kwangaxeshanye, kukho, ndicinga ukuba, kukho ithemba elingakumbi kunokuba siye salifumana kumzabalazo wobulungisa ePalestina, abantu abaninzi ababandakanyekayo. Kwaye ke, ekuqaleni, ndadana kakhulu xa ndafumanisa ukuba bayalirhoxisa elo bhaso, kodwa ngoku ndicinga ukuba, ngeendlela ezininzi, yayisisipho, kuba loo ncoko yaveliswayo, kwaye yavelisa umboniso ohlaziyiweyo, umboniso ohlangeneyo. ukubaluleka ngokupheleleyo kokugxila kubulungisa bePalestina.
JUAN GONZรLEZ: Ukuthetha ngokucamngca, ukhe waya Intando yeninzi Ngoku! Ukuthetha ngoMongameli u-Obama, uye wathetha ngoMongameli uTrump, emva koko ngephulo leBiden, ngokunjalo. Kwaye uthe ngo-2020, "Ndicinga ukuba kufuneka sithathe inxaxheba kunyulo," kodwa uqaphele ukuba kwinkqubo yethu yonyulo njengoko ikhoyo, akukho qela limele ikamva esilidingayo kweli lizwe. Ke, ngoku sinonyaka omnye kumongameli weBiden, amadabi angaphaya kwezi ntlobo zahlukeneyo - inkqubo enkulu yokuvuselela equkunjelwa ngoku, Yakha uBuyela ngcono. Abaqhubela phambili bayasilwa malunga nento abafanele ukuyenza ukuba inkqubo yoBuild Back Better iye yacaciswa ngakumbi. Ingcebiso yakho kwiiradicals kunye nenkqubela phambili malunga nendlela ekufuneka bajongane nolawulo lweBiden?
ANGELA DAVIS: Ewe, uyazi, abo bethu bavotela iBiden kunye noHarris khange bayenze loo nto kuba besilindele ukubalandela njengeenkokeli kumzabalazo wethu. Ngesiwuxele kwangaphambili lo mzuzu ngoku. Kodwa ndicinga ukuba into esiyifundileyo, ngakumbi ukusukela oko kuqukunjelwa kwehlobo lika-2020, kukuba imbali ayitshintshi kuba iinkokeli ezimbalwa apha naphaya zithatha isigqibo sokuthatha izikhundla ezithile okanye zigqibe kwelokuba zipasise amatyala. Kwaye, kunjalo, andizami kwaphela ukucutha ukubaluleka kokunyula abaqhubela phambili kunye neeradicals zombini kwiNkongolo kunye nakwiofisi yendawo. Andiyideleli kwaphela loo nto. Kodwa into endiyithethayo kukuba ukuze senze utshintsho lokwenene, oluhlala luhleli, kufuneka senze umsebenzi wokwakha iintshukumo.
Zizihlwele zabantu abanoxanduva lotshintsho lwembali. Kwakungenxa yombutho, umbutho wenkululeko yabaNtsundu, umbutho wenkululeko yabaNtsundu wenkulungwane yaphakathi, apho abantu abaNtsundu bafumana ilungelo lokuvota - kungekhona ngenxa yokuba kukho umntu ogqibe ekubeni apasise uMthetho wamaLungelo okuvota. Kwaye siyazi ngoku ukuba olo loyiso alunakuhlanganiswa nje njengomthetho oyilwayo, kuba kukho iinzame eziqhubekayo zokucinezela amandla abavoti abaMnyama. Kwaye siyazi ukuba ekuphela kwendlela yokubuyisela umva oko kukwakha iintshukumo, ngokubandakanya inkitha yabantu kwinkqubo yotshintsho lwembali. Kwaye oko kuyinyaniso kulawulo lwangoku.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Angela, sisephakathi kwesi sifo, kwaye ndiyazibuza ukuba sikuchaphazele njani kulo nyaka unesiqingatha uphelileyo. Njengoko uthetha ngeentshukumo, kuhlala kuhlanganisana abantu, nokuba sithetha ngeenkomfa zeCritical Resistance, uqhanqalazo olukhulu ezitratweni emva kokuba uGeorge Floyd ebulewe ngamapolisa. Bekukho uqhanqalazo olukhulu ezitratweni nangexesha lobhubhani, ewe. Kodwa ukuba ungathetha, ngokobuqu, ukuba oku kuthetha ukuthini kuwe kwaye ukuba uziva ngathi kukho into esiyifundileyo, yonke into ukusuka ekuhlonipheni isayensi-kwaye oko akuhambi nje ekuthetheni ngezitofu kodwa kutshintsho lwemozulu- umba wokungalingani kwesitofu. ehlabathini, ugxininisa kwabo banako nabangasweleyo ngeendlela ezininzi, kodwa ke ngoko, ngokobuqu, ukuba udlule njani na?
ANGELA DAVIS: Ewe, Amy, eneneni ndinethamsanqa kuba ndihlala eCalifornia. Ndihlala e-Oakland. Kwaye ndinokufikelela kuhlobo lobugcisa obundidibanisa nabantu kwihlabathi liphela. Ke kukho ezinye izinto endizifumene zivuyisa ngokwenene ngalo bhubhani umbi kakhulu osube ubomi babantu abaninzi, ngakumbi abaNtsundu nabeMthonyama kunye nabantu bebala kunye namahlwempu, ngokubanzi. Endinokuthi nje luhlobo oluthile lwesipho esanikelwa kuthi phakathi kwayo yonke le ntlungu nentlekele yayikukuba siyakwazi ukunxibelelana nabantu ehlabathini lonke. Kwaye ke ndiye ndathatha inxaxheba kwiincoko ezazingasoze zenzeke ukuba ndiye ndanyanzelwa ukuba ndihambe ukuze ndibe nenxaxheba kwezi ncoko - umzekelo, incoko eAmazonas eBrazil ebandakanya abantu baseBrazil abayinzalelwane yaseAfro, abantu baseBrazil bomthonyama kunye nabantu abakhutheleyo. kumzabalazo ochasene nobundlobongela bamapolisa. Ke ndicinga ukuba kukho iindlela esithe sahlanganisana ngazo ukusebenzelana kwethu nezizwe ngezizwe-ewe, akudityaniswanga, kodwa sakwazi ukuzibandakanya kwiintlobo zeendlela ezisivumeleyo ukuba siqonde ukuba lubaluleke kangakanani olo nxibelelwano.
Uyazi, kwelinye icala, ngokuqinisekileyo sonke siyaludinga uluntu lwabantu. Sonke sidinga ukusondela kunye nokuchukunyiswa kwabantu. Kwaye oko kube nzima kakhulu.
Ndingaphinda ndiveze ukuba andazi nokuba besiya kulufikelela na olu hlobo lolwazi ngobume bocalucalulo lolwakhiwo. Kwaye andazi ukuba abantu abaninzi kangaka bebeya kuphumela ezitratweni, besengozini, ewe, kuba ngehlobo lika-2020 besingekacaci kakuhle malunga neendlela esasazeka ngayo le ntsholongwane. Kodwa andazi ukuba abantu abaninzi bebenokuziva benyanzelekile na ukuba baphume baye kuqhankqalaza, ukuba besingakhange siqaphele njengelizwe - kwaye ndithetha ngesininzi esihle sabemi beli lizwe - ngezinto eziyinyani. ucalucalulo lolwakhiwo. Kwaye impembelelo yentsholongwane efundiswayo malunga nobume bocalucalulo lolwakhiwo, njengoko yayinempembelelo kwinkqubo yezempilo, njengoko yayisitsho - njengoko intsholongwane yabanga ubomi bamanani angafaniyo abantu boMthonyama nabaMnyama kunye nabantu kuluntu lwaseLatinx. Kwaye olo lwazi luye lwanceda ekuphenduleni ukubulawa kwamapolisa kukaGeorge Floyd.
Kwaye ke, ibuhlungu njengoko eli xesha belinjalo, kunzima njengoko bekunzima ukuphila ngaphandle kokusondelana koluntu lwethu, kubi kakhulu njengoko bekunjalo, iye yasinika izipho. Kwaye andazi nokuba ngesasikhe sadibana nemeko apho abantu abaninzi kunakuqala kwimbali yeli lizwe baphuma besiya ezitalatweni baqhankqalaza besithi hayi ubuhlanga.
JUAN GONZรLEZ: Angela, bendifuna ukukubuza - ubuchazile ngaphambili kuMumia Abu-Jamal. Kwiminyaka yethu yokuqala Intando yeninzi Ngoku!, sakhutshwa emoyeni kwizitishi ezininzi zasePennsylvania ngenxa yokusasaza amagqabaza akhe. Ndandimazi uMumia ngokobuqu kuba sasisebenza kunye njengeentatheli ePhiladelphia ekuqaleni kweminyaka yoo-1980. Ndiyazibuza โ uqhubekile esentolongweni, wagqiba iminyaka engama-67 ngo-Epreli, uneminyaka engama-40 ngoku entolongweni. Uye waba nayo Covid, utyando lwentliziyo kulo nyaka. Ngaba ungathetha ngokubaluleka kwakhe? Ungomnye wamabanjwa ezopolitiko adumileyo ehlabathini. Uye waqhubeka efumana amagqabaza amangalisayo kunye nemibhalo ngalo lonke ixesha esentolongweni. Impembelelo kaMumia kwintshukumo egqibeleleyo eMelika? Kwaye ukuba ungathetha ngesidingo esicinezelayo sokuqhubeka nokufuna ukukhululwa kwakhe?
ANGELA DAVIS: Ewe. Enkosi kakhulu, Juan. Andiqondi ukuba singaba kule ndawo sikuyo namhlanje ngaphandle kokuthatha inxaxheba ngokungaguqukiyo nangokuzinikela kuka-Mumia Abu-Jamal kumzabalazo wethu. Ewe, okokuqala, ndingathi uMumia waziwa kwihlabathi liphela. Kukho izitrato ezithiywe ngaye eJamani naseFransi. Waba ngumntu wesibini kwimbali yaseFransi, emva kukaPablo Picasso, ukufumana ubumi obubekekileyo kwisixeko saseParis, kwaye ukuze ukubaluleka kwakhe kuqatshelwe kwenye indawo ehlabathini. Kodwa ngenxa yeendlela apho amapolisa kunye nomyalelo wesisa wamapolisa, uMyalelo woBuzalwane wamaPolisa, ngenxa yeendlela abammela kakubi ngayo uMumia kwaye bahlanganisa lonke uluntu lwamapolisa kwilizwe lonke ngokuchasene noMumia, uhlala entolongweni, emva echithe ixesha elingaphezu kweminyaka engama-40, kuquka uninzi lwayo kumgca wokufa.
Endingakutsho ngoku kukuba kanye kuba siye saphumelela ukwenza izigxeko zoluntu ngamapolisa - kwaye, ewe, siyawabona ngoku ezama ukudibanisa amandla awo kwilizwe lonke, kodwa ngenxa yokuba kukho oku kuqhekeka kumandla amapolisa, kufuneka sithathe ithuba loko ukuqinisa iphulo lokukhulula uMumia Abu-Jamal. Bendisandula ukunxibelelana ngenye imini noJulia Wright, intombi kaRichard Wright, obebaluleke kakhulu eFransi ekuphuhliseni iphulo lokukhulula uMumia. Kwaye yena nabantu behlabathi liphela bafuna ukusibona sibeka ityala likaMumia phambili, ngakumbi ngoku, sithathela ingqalelo into yokuba uDavid Gilbert, obesentolongweni phantse isiqingatha senkulungwane, ukhululwe ngengqawule kutsha nje, iiveki ezimbini. eyadlulayo. Kufuneka silubange olo loyiso kwaye siqonde ukuba eli lixesha kanye lokufuna ukukhululwa okungakumbi, ukufuna ukukhululwa kukaLeonard Peltier, osentolongweni ixesha elide kunoMumia, kunye nawo onke amabanjwa ezopolitiko asasele emva kweendonga.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Abantu bangaya Intando yeninzi Ngoku! kwaye ubone wethu udliwano-ndlebe noLeonard Peltier. Ndiyazi ukuba kufuneka sisonge, kwaye kunzima kakhulu kum noJuan ukuba siyeke le ncoko, kodwa-kwaye siza kuthetha nawe kwakhona. Intando yeninzi Ngoku! Incwadi yakho iyaphuma kwakhona, iyaphinda ikhutshwe, U-Angela Davis: I-Autobiography, eyahlelwa ngokumangalisayo nguToni Morrison. Siye sathetha nawe Intando yeninzi Ngoku! xa uToni Morrison wafa. Sathetha nawe xa uAretha Franklin waswelekayo. Sikulandelele, andisakhumbuli ukuba uphi. Kwaye iyamangalisa, kuba ngelixa abantu bethetha ngobugcisa obubalaseleyo buka-Aretha, into abantu abangayiqondiyo kukuba wayenenxaxheba ekukuthumeleni ibheyile xa uvalelwe, esithi, "Abantu abantsundu baya kukhululeka." Kwaye ndiyazibuza ukuba ungabonakalisa na - sizakuya kakhulu kule nto xa incwadi yakho iphuma - kobu budlelwane obunabo kwaye yintoni ekunika ithemba kwisizukulwana esilandelayo samagcisa, ababhali, izifundiswa kunye namatsha ntliziyo, bonke. eniyiyo, nisongelwe kwaba nye.
ANGELA DAVIS: Ewe, uyazi, ndicinga ukuba ukuba-ndicinga ukuba ndiphile lamashumi eminyaka kwaye ndinamava endinawo kumxholo wokuchasana nobuhlanga kunye nokuchasana ne-heteropatriarchy, ngokuchasene ne-impiriyalizim, ndizinikele ngakumbi kunangaphambili ekusebenziseni iitalente endinokuthi ndizenze. kufuneka kuphuhliswe iintshukumo zotshintsho olukhulu.
Kwaye ukhankanye uAretha Franklin kunye nenyaniso yokuba wanikezela ngebheyile kum. Elo yayilixesha elichukumisayo kakhulu ebomini bam, kwaye ndiye ndaqonda ukuba ibaluleke kangakanani indima yamagcisa kwaye iya kuba yimfuneko kwiintshukumo zethu. Eli lixesha apho iimvumi kunye namagcisa abonakalayo, iimbongi, ababhali bonke basebenzisa iitalente zabo ngokudibeneyo ukudala amathuba amaninzi kwiindidi zeencoko eziya kuzisa abantu kwiintshukumo zobulungisa, inkululeko, ukulingana.
Kwaye mandiphinde ndithethe enye into, ngelishwa, esingakhange siyixoxe ngexesha lale ncoko ibanzi, kwaye leyo ingamandla ongxowankulu behlabathi. Kwaye ndisabona ukuba siyayidinga-ndisacinga ukuba sifuna amagcisa ukuba asibonise indlela eya kumbutho ohluke kakhulu-uqoqosho, ezopolitiko, umbutho wezentlalo-wehlabathi lethu, kunye ne-capitalism kufuneka ziwe.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Ewe, Angela Davis, sifuna ukubulela kakhulu ngokuba nathi. Kwaye ndifuna ukukubuza, ekugqibeleni, malunga nomba weendaba ezizimeleyo, zabantu ababumba amabali abo. Ndiyathetha, ndicinga ukuba ngamandla osasazo lweendaba, ngaba babalisa ibali, nokuba liyinyani okanye akunjalo, eliziswa kuwe ngabavelisi bezixhobo rhoqo ngemizuzu emihlanu okanye ishishini leziyobisi rhoqo ngemizuzu eli-10, uyazi, iintengiso, njengokuba uthetha ngobukhapitali. Ukuba unokuthetha malunga nolunye uhlobo losasazo, mhlawumbi, ukuba ufuna ukucinga oku, uluntu lwe-post-capitalist kwaye yintoni eya kunika, kuba yindlela abantu abanokunxibelelana ngayo kwihlabathi lonke?
ANGELA DAVIS: Ewe, ndicinga ukuba kubaluleke kakhulu ngoku, Amy, ukuba nomfanekiso wehlabathi elitsha. Asinakuwalwela loo mazwe ngaphandle kokuba siyakwazi ukuba nomfanekiso-ngqondweni wawo. Kwaye imidiya ezimeleyo, eqhubekayo, njengaye Intando yeninzi Ngoku!, sincede ukusikhuthaza kule projekthi yentelekelelo ehlangeneyo ukuvumela abantu ukuba babalise awabo amabali. Kwaye, ngokuqinisekileyo, uya apho iintshukumo zivela khona. Andinakuze ndilibale ukubukela ukubanjwa kwakho e-Standing Rock kunye nendlela ela phulo lincede ngayo ukuqinisa ukuqonda okubanzi ngakumbi malunga nokuba yintoni esilwela yona, inkululeko esiyilwelayo, ekufuneka sisindise le planethi. Kwaye abantu bomthonyama, amagosa alo mhlaba kangangeenkulungwane ezininzi, basifundise ukuba umzabalazo wokusingqongileyo kufuneka ube ngundoqo womsebenzi wethu. Kwaye ubonisa amabali abo. Ke ndiyabulela kuwe noJuan kunye nabo bonke oogxa bakho ngomsebenzi eniqhubeka nokuwenza. Kwaye ndiqinisekile ukuba siza kuthetha omnye komnye kungekudala.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Umbhubhisi owaziwayo kwihlabathi, umbhali, umlweli kunye nonjingalwazi u-Angela Davis.
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