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GREG WILPERT: Tikugashirei kuThe Real News Network. Ndiri Greg Wilpert muBaltimore.
Nemusi weMuvhuro, hutongi hwaTrump hwakapa chiziviso kuUN kuti United States yave kubuda muParis Climate Agreement, kutanga kwegore rekubuda. United States ndiyo yaizove iyo chete nyika yenhengo yeUN pasi rose isiri chikamu chechibvumirano. Chibvumirano cheParis chibvumirano chepasi rose chakaitwa muna 2015 umo nyika zana nemakumi masere nenomwe dzakabvumirana kuita nhamburiko dzekuda kuchengetedza kudziya kwepasi kuri pasi pemadhigirii maviri eCelsius zvichienderana nedanho risati rave nemaindasitiri. United States ndiyo ine hupfumi hukuru pasi rose, yechipiri pakukura kuburitsa magasi egreenhouse kuseri kweChina, uye nenhoroondo yakabvuma mamwe magasi egreenhouse kupfuura chero nyika ipi neipi pasirese.
Kubatana neni izvozvi kuti tiongorore zvinorehwa nekubva kweUS kubva kuParis Climate Agreement ndiMichael Mann, purofesa ane mukurumbira uye director weEarth System Science Center kuyunivhesiti yePenn State uye munyori webhuku The Hockey Stick uye The Climate Wars. Ndatenda nekubatana nesu zvakare, Michael.
MICHAEL MANN: Zvakanaka, ndatenda, Greg. Zvakanaka kuva newe
GREG WILPERT: Ikozvino, mhedzisiro yedambudziko remamiriro ekunze yatove kukanganisa pasi rose. Vhiki rino, sangano reEuropean Union resainzi rakaona kuti iyi yaive Gumiguru yaipisa kwazvo yakambonyorwa. Zvino mumushumo wakaburitswa neChipiri mupepanhau reBio-science, vaongorori zviuru gumi nembiri vakayambira nezvekutambudzika kusinga taurike kunozokonzeresa dambudziko iri kana tikasaita shanduko huru. Kubviswa kwehupfumi hukuru pasi rose kubva muChibvumirano cheParis kuchaita kuti shanduko idzi dzinyanye kuipa here, Michael?
MICHAEL MANN: Zvakanaka, pasina mubvunzo, vachadaro. Uye zvinosiririsa, sezvaunoreva, panguva yatiri kunyatsoona kukanganisa kwekuchinja kwemamiriro ekunze kuchiitika munguva chaiyo, moto wemusango watakaona kuWest Coast nenjodzi dzakatenderedza pasi. ari kubuda iye zvino nemhaka yemigumisiro yokuchinja kwemamiriro okunze pasi rose. Zvinotoshamisa kuti panguva ino yakaomesesa nekufamba kwenguva, isu, sezvamakataura, musvibisi mukuru wenhoroondo, United States yabvuma kusvibiswa kwekabhoni kwakawanda mumhepo kupfuura chero imwe nyika. Uye kuita kuti United States ityisidzirwe uye kutanga kuita kuburitsa kubva muChibvumirano cheParis, inotumira meseji isiriyo kupasirese.
Zvino, kana iwe ukatarisa kuUnited States chete, pane mukana wakanaka wekuti isu tinokwanisa chaizvo kuzadzisa zvisungo zvedu zveParis zvichibva pane zviri kuitika padanho rehurumende, danho renzvimbo, zviri kuitwa nemakambani. Pane huwandu hwakakwana hwekufambira mberi kuri kuitwa padanho rehuswa uye padanho rehurumende izvo zvingangove zvichiri kusangana nezvisungo zvedu. Dambudziko chairo nderekuti nekudhonza kunze kweParis Accord, nekuita zvese zvaanogona kuti abvise nhaka yehutongi hwekare kana zvasvika pakufambira mberi kwemamiriro ekunze-zvinoreva kubvisa chirongwa chemagetsi chakachena chinodzora kuburitswa kwekabhoni kubva kumagetsi emarasha. plant; kubvisa mwero wekugona kwemafuta izvo zvakatibatsira kuzadzisa zvisungo zvedu zvekudzikisa magasi egreenhouse muchikamu chezvekufambisa. Zvese zvinhu izvi zviripachena kuti zvinotowedzera kuipa uye zvinotitadzisa kupfuudza zvisungo zvedu zveParis nekuti kungozadzisa zvisungo zvedu zveParis chete hakuzotisvitsa kwatinofanira kunge tiri.
Sezvineiwo, Chibvumirano cheParis chinongotisvitsa pakati pepasi rose kune kudzikisira kabhoni kwatinoda kudzivirira kupisa kunotyisa kwepasi, kwemadhigirii maviri celsius kana kupfuura, 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit kana kupfuura. Saka ndiyo yakananga mhedzisiro. Iyo isina kunanga mhedzisiro ndeyekuti inotumira meseji isiriyo kune vamwe vatambi vakuru, kunyanya, China neIndia. China ndiyo yakanyanya emitter yekusvibiswa kwekabhoni nhasi. Uye nekusaina kuburitsa kubva kuParis Accord, zvinobvisa kudzvanywa, zvinotora kumanikidza kubva kuChina kuzadzisa zvisungo zvayo. Uye kutaura zvazviri, Trump asati apinda mumufananidzo, China yakanga ichipfuura zvavakavimbisa. Vanga vachitobvisa simba remagetsi emagetsi emarasha uye kuburitswa kwekabhoni pasi rose kwakange kwadzika, danho rekutanga mukudzidzikisa, ndizvo zvatinofanira kuita.
Zvakanaka, nekuita kwehutongi hwaTrump uye nenyaya yekuti zviito izvi zvakabvisa kudzvanywa kubva kune vamwe vanoburitsa seChina kuti vazadzise zvavakavimbisa, isu taona chaizvo China yave kutanga kuvaka mamwe marasha emagetsi emagetsi, kuburitsa kabhoni kwaenda. dzokera kumusoro uye taona kuburitswa kwekabhoni yepasi rose ikozvino kwatanga kusimuka nekuda kweizvozvo. Ndiko kukuvadza kusiri kwakananga uye kwechokwadi kwekudhonza kwaTrump, ari kutyisidzirwa uye zvino zviri kuitika, zviri kuitika, dhonza kubva muchibvumirano cheParis.
GREG WILPERT: Zvino, izvi ndizvo, chimwe chinhu chawakatarisa zvakadzama ndechekuti, ndiani hutongi hwaTrump ari kunyatsopindura kwaari? Ehe, vane hukama hwakadzama kune indasitiri yemafuta emafuta, isu tinoziva izvozvo kuhama dzeKoch naMercer. Unogona here kungotsanangura zvimwe zvezvibatanidza izvozvo uye kuti zvinomira sei kuti zvibatsirwe?
MICHAEL MANN: Ehe, sezvaunotaura, izvi hazvisi chaizvo nezveTrump uye maonero ake. Zviri pamusoro pekufarira kwaakaita kunze kwekutonga kwake, kana zvasvika kune simba uye mamiriro ekunze. Uye sezvamunoziva, ihama dzeKoch uye zvinosvibisa zvido seExxonMobil, avo vari kunyanya kutungamira mamiriro ekunze uye simba remitemo mukati mehutongi hwaTrump. Uye vakashandisa simba iroro kubvisa zvachose kuchengetedza kwezvakatipoteredza, kwete chete mukutonga kwekupedzisira, hutungamiri hwaObama, asi kuchengetedzwa kwezvakatipoteredza kwakaiswa panzvimbo neNixon administration, neReagan administration, nevatongi vaviri veBush. zvinoshamisa zvatiri kuona. Hazvina kumboitika.
Kana paine simbi yesirivha mune iyi, kana paine mwenje pamagumo emugero, zvinoitika kuti Trump haagone kuita zvakanaka pakutyisidzira uku kana akasahwina sarudzo zvakare nekuda kwehukuru hweChibvumirano cheParis. . Kana akasawana temu yechipiri, haakwanise kubuda muChibvumirano cheParis. Uye izvo zvinoreva kuti zvinotigonesa nekuvhota, nekuita shuwa kuti tinobuda musarudzo dzemutungamiri wenyika dzinotevera, tinogona kuona kuti tinotora imwe nzira, kwete nzira iyo VaTrump nevatsigiri vake veindasitiri yemafuta efossil vangada kuti titore, nzira inodzika uye inoramba ichiwedzera kuipa yekuzvipira mukutsva kwemafuta uye kushanduka kwemamiriro ekunze ane njodzi, asi nzira iri nani, nzira yatisiri kungosangana nezvisungo zvedu, asi isu tinotora chinzvimbo chehutungamiriri, zvakare kana tasvika pakuedza kwepasirese kudzivisa kuchinja kwemamiriro ekunze kune njodzi.
GREG WILPERT: Asi sezvawatotaura, hutongi hwaTrump hwakatotanga kubuda kubva kune dzakawanda zvisungo nemitemo iripo. Uye sezvazviri, maererano nekumwe fungidziro yeUnited States iri kutogadzira mamwe magasi egreenhouse kupfuura zvayakaita muna 2017. Ndiri kungoshamisika zvino, kana paine mumwe mutungamiri akasarudzwa munaNovember 3, izvo zvangove zuva rimwe chete. mushure, ndinofunga, kuti USA iri kubuda muchibvumirano chemamiriro ekunze zviri pamutemo. Zvino, kana United States yaizobatana zvakare mushure mesarudzo, pamwe muna Ndira wa2021, mutungamiri wedemokrasi angangokwanisa kuita mutsauko pachibvumirano uye kunyatsoita mutsauko maererano nemabatiro aanoita pakushanduka kwemamiriro ekunze?
MICHAEL MANN: Ehe. Zvakanaka, mubvunzo wakanaka uye isu tinofanirwa kutarisa izvi nehuzivi. Chibvumirano cheParis chaicho chibvumirano chekuzvidira. Nyika imwe neimwe yakabvumirwa kumisa zvinangwa zvayo. Uye iyo yekumanikidza nzira ndiyo iyo UN inodana zita uye kunyadziswa. Nyika idzo dzisiri kuchengeta kupera kwadzo kwechibvumirano dzakakodzerwa nekusaita. Zvinoreva izvo muchokwadi ndezvekuti iyo inonzi inodhonza kubva kuParis inofananidzira.
Chinokosha zvisungo zvatinoita maererano nemutemo wenyika yedu; mitemo yepamusoro pasi pe White House Congressional mitemo. Kana tikavawana muCongress inotevera, tinogona kuita chiito pamamiriro ekunze. Izvo Nyika dziri kuita, zvakare, izvo matunhu ari kuita. Saka chinonyanya kukosha hachisi chimiro chekuti isu tiri tekinoroji mukati kana kwete muChibvumirano cheParis, ndizvo zvatiri kuita kuzadzisa zvisungo izvozvo. Uye mutungamiri anotevera achave nemukana, achishanda neCongress, kuti aenderere mberi padambudziko iri.
GREG WILPERT: Zvakanaka, tichazvisiya ipapo izvozvi. Chokwadi, tinoramba tichivhara izvi sezvatinoita nguva dzose. Ndanga ndichitaura naMichael Mann, purofesa ane mukurumbira uye mutungamiriri weEarth System Science Center paPenn State University. Ndatenda zvakare, Michael, nekubatana nesu nhasi.
MICHAEL MANN: Ndatenda. Zvaiva mufaro wangu
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