Al Jazeera: Muporofita Amosi - wawadaidza kuti waunofarira - anotaura nezve "zvivi zvitatu zvandicharegerera uye chechina zvandisingakanganwi". Ndezvipi zvivi zvaunoona zvichiungana munzanga?
Chomsky: Hatina nguva yakakwana yekumhanya mazviri. Ngatitangei nezviri pachena. Ndine chokwadi chekuti unojairana neDoomsday Clock yeBulletin yeAtomic Scientists. Ikozvino yaendeswa mberi kumasekonzi makumi mapfumbamwe kusvika pakati pehusiku.
Pakati pehusiku sekupera kwechiitiko chemunhu paPasi, kumhanyira kunjodzi yehondo yenyukireya. Kutyisidzirwa kwenjodzi yemamiriro ekunze kuri kuwedzera - Israel ichava mumwe wevakanyanya kubatwa.
Uye vatungamiri vedu, chivi chavo chikuru ndechokuti vari kumhanyira kunjodzi. Tichangobva kurangarira makore makumi maviri ekupinda kweUS muIraqโฆ mhosva yakaipisisa yezana ramakore, iri kurangarirwa pano. Hondo yeUS Navy ichangobva kutumira ngarava yayo ichangoburwa ndokuitumidza kuti USS Fallujah mukurangarira humwe hutsinye hwakanyanya hwekurwiswa kweUS. Fallujah anga ari ... guta rakanaka. Marines akapinda, akaiparadza, akauraya zviuru zvevanhu ... Vanhu vachiri kufa nezvombo zvakashandiswa nephosphorus, uranium yapera.
Zvinopfuura hutsinye, ndezvekufananidzira. Tarisa pamusoro pemakore makumi maviri apfuura, ona kana iwe uchikwanisa kuwana mutsara mumwechete chero kupi zvako pedyo nevakawanda vanoti kupinda kweIraq kwaiva mhosva - yaiva mhosva yakaipisisa yezana remakore rechi20. Kutsoropodza kwakanyanya kwaungaite ndeye 'kukanganisa'. Yakagadziridzwazve, yakaumbwa patsva kuti iunzwe - kunyangwe nevatauri vakasununguka - sekutadza kuedza kuponesa vanhu veIraqi kubva kumudzvanyiriri akaipa, izvo zvisina kana chekuita nekuti sei hondo yakatanga.
Uye zvakare, inotarisisa chinhu chidiki icho United States yakatsigira zvakasimba Saddam Hussein panguva yaakaita mhosva dzake dzakaipisisa, kusanganisira zvinhu zvakaita sechepfu yeIraqis uye kuurayiwa kweHalabja, zvombo zvemakemikari, kuuraya mazana ezviuru zvevaIrani. IUS yakafara, yakamutsigira zvachose.
Saka ikozvino, nhoroondo inovakwa patsva zvekuti isu taiyedza 'kuponesa maIraqi' kubva kumunhu wataitsigira zvakasimba. VaIraqi vanga vasinganyatso kuchemera kununurwa kubva kunyika iyo yakatemera zvirango mumakore ekuma1990 izvo zvaive nehutsinye uye humhondi zvekuti paive nevamiriri vedzimwe nyika vakasiya basa nekuti vaizviona sekuparadza rudzi. Asi ndiyo nzira iyo makirasi epfungwa akakwanisa kuvaka patsva mhosva dzehurumende. Kune vanhu vanopikisa vakatenderedza periphery. Iwe haunzwi inzwi ravo, ivo vakaparadzaniswa. Iwe unoda kudzidza nezve USS Fallujah? Hausi kuzoiverenga mumapepanhau ekuAmerica. Unogona kuiverenga mune inotsoropodza tsinhiro yakatenderedza kumucheto uko vanhu vakaita seni vakakwanisa kuziva nezvazvo, kwete kubva kumapepanhau ekuAmerica, asi kubva kuAl Jazeera.
Al Jazeera: Nguva pfupi Netanyahu asarudzwa muna 1996, iwe wakafanotaura kuti kuchinja kubva kuLabour kuenda kuLikud kwaizove kwakanyanyisa kupfuura zvinhu uye kuti, pakupedzisira, iyo yeAmerican Netanyahu yaizoenderana nechimiro chinonaka kune vekuAmerica. Uchitarisa kumashure kunguva yeNetanyahu, wanga wakarurama here mune izvi kufungidzira?
Chomsky: Kwemakore mashoma, akawanda kana mashoma. Asi kuburikidza ne2000s, zvematongerwo enyika zveIsrael zvakachinja, Netanyahu akaenderera mberi zvakanyanya kurudyi. Achiri kuziva kutaura nevatsigiri vake vari muUnited States. Iwe unofanirwa kurangarira, maonero muUnited States maererano neIsrael achinja. Israeri yaimbove mudiwa weiyo yakasununguka American Jewish nharaunda.
Zvakanaka, izvo zvakatanga kushanduka ... iko zvino, tsigiro huru yeIsrael inharaunda yevaevangelical iri kure-kurudyi iyo yave mune zvematongerwo enyika mumakore makumi maviri kana makumi matatu apfuura sevatsigiri vakasimba veIsrael, zvakanyanya nekuda kwezvikonzero zvekupokana neSemitic. Zvichakadaro, vakasununguka, vane rusununguko veDemocrats, vatsauka. Tarisa pasarudzo yekupedzisira: pakati pemaDemocrats, kune tsitsi dzakawanda kune maPalestine pane Israeri. Zvinonyanya kuitika pakati pevechidiki, kusanganisira vaJudha vechidiki.
Netanyahu anonzwisisa United States, saka ari kukwidza zvakasimba kudunhu rake pabapiro rekurudyi uye nekurudyi. Saka paakaenda kunotaura kumusangano weCongress wekushoropodza danho raObama rekuumba chibvumirano chekubatana neIran pamusoro pezvombo zvenyukireya, aitaura nenharaunda yeAmerica inomutsigira, bapiro rekurudyi, vari kure kure, uye bapiro rekurudyi. nevaevhangeri.
Inyanzvi yezvematongerwo enyika, akachinja maitiro ake.
Al Jazeera: Iwe wati zviito zvisiri pamutemo zveIsrael zvinogoneka chete nekuda kwerutsigiro rweUS. Uye zvakadaro tinoona Netanyahu achinyadzisa Bato reDemocratic pachena nekutaura kwake pamberi peCongress muna 2015, pamwe nerutsigiro rwake rweruzhinji rwekusarudzwazve kwaDonald Trump muna 2018. Uye iyi svondo rapfuura hondo yemashoko neMutungamiri Biden. Netanyahu anoziva chimwe chinhu chatisingazive nezvekudzikira kwesimba repasi rose reAmerica? Kana kuti ari kutora njuga pakuenderera mberi nerutsigiro rwebipartisan US zvisinei nehunhu hwake?
Chomsky: United States iri kuwedzera kupatsanuka - ndizvo zvakaitawo Israel. Aka ndekekutanga hutungamiriri hweIsrael huchityora hutungamiriri hweUSโฆ apo Smotrich naBen-Gvir uye dzimwe nguva Netanyahu vanoti: 'Tiri kuzozvidza zvaunoda,' pachena uye nehutsinye kuhutungamiriri hweAmerica, izvo zvitsva.
Munguva pfupi yapfuura, Israel inogona kunge isingafarire marongero eUS, asi United States payakada kuti iite chimwe chinhu, yaizozviita. Izvi zvaive zvechokwadi kumutungamiri weAmerica wese kusvika kuna Obama. VaTrump, hongu, vakaenda vese kunopa Israeri chero chayaida, murudo nesimba reIsrael, mhirizhonga uye kudzvanyirira. Kuziva kutorwa kweGolan Heights, kukwidziridzwa kweJerusarema, kwakatsigira marongero ekugadzirisa zvese zvisiri kutyora mutemo wepasirese chete asi mutemo weUS. US yakatsigira zvisungo zveSecurity Council izvo zvakarambidza kutorwa kweIsrael kweGolan Heights neJerusarema. Trump akadzora zvese izvozvo. โฆ Akaita zvimwechete neMorocco, achiziva kutora kweMoroccan kuWestern Sahara, zvinova zvakada kufanana nemamiriro ePalestine.
Asi hutungamiri hutsva, kunyanya vakuru vakadai saBen-Gvir, Bezalel Smotrich, vari kungoudza United States kuti: 'Rasika.' Netanyahu akataura mashoko akasimba, achiti: 'Isu tiri nyika inozvitonga, tichaita zvatinoda.' Ndekekutanga kunetsana kwave kwakajeka kudai uye hazvisi pachena kuti United States ichapindura sei.
Makore maviri kana matatu apfuura โฆ mumiriri weUS mudare reVamiriri, Betty McCollum, akaisa mutemo waida kuti United States iongorore zvakare rubatsiro rwemauto eUS kuIsrael maererano nemutemo weUS [uyo] wagara uchityorwa nerubatsiro rweUS kuIsrael. Haana kure kwaakasvika.
Mazuva mashoma apfuura, Bernie Sanders akaisa mutemo unodaidzira kurambidzwa kwerubatsiro rweUS kuIsraelโฆ IDF [mauto eIsrael] inobatanidzwa ... saka kana paine mubvunzo mune izvi, zvinogona kutungamira kune gakava pamusoro pemutemo werubatsiro rweUS kuIsrael.
Zvakanaka, ndinofunga kuti zvinhu zvese izvi zvinogona kutungamira kune shanduko huru mune ramangwanaโฆ Zvinobva pamwero mukuru pakuchinja kukuru mumaonero eruzhinji. Ndinogona kutaura izvi kubva pane zvakaitika kwandiri, ndanga ndichipa hurukuro, kunyora uye zvichingodaro pamusoro peIsrael-Palestine nyaya. Kusvika nguva pfupi yadarika, ndaifanirwa kuchengetedzwa nemapurisa kana ndikapa hurukuro pakambasi nekuda kwekupokana kunotyisa kwemauto anotsigira Israeri. Mapurisa akasimbirira kundiperekedza kumota yangu mushure mehurukuro nekuda kwekutyisidzira. Kunyange pamusasa wangu pachangu, mapurisa emuguta nemapurisa epamusasa aizovapo kana ndichipa hurukuro. Izvozvo zvakachinja zvikuru.
Nzvimbo yayakachinja iri nyore kuzivikanwa: Operation Kanda Mutungamiriri. Uhwu hwaiva hwoutsinye, hwechisimba, vechiduku vakanga vasingachazvishiviriri. I think that was a real tipping point. Iwe waizviona zvakajeka muzvinhu zvakaita sehurukuro pamakampasi, kunyangwe zvine simba pro-Israel makampasi seBrandeis University ... yakachinja zvakanyanya. Aya maitiro evadiki ayo achava nemhedzisiro yakakura kwatiri tose mune ramangwana. Saka kune makakatanwa arikutsva. Iwe hausati wazviona mupolicy, asi ndinofunga uri kuona matangiro azvo.
Al Jazeera: Wakashoropodza Dare Repamusorosoro reIsrael nekuona Israeri nyika inozvitonga yevanhu vechiJudha ... asi kwete senyika yevagari vayo. Panguva imwecheteyo, wakacherechedza zviitiko apo dare rakadzivirira kodzero dzePalestine, dzakadai semhosva ye2000 iyo dare rakati misha yeKatzir yakavakwa kuburikidza neJewish Agency yeIsrael haigoni kururamisa kusarura kune vakaroorana vePalestine. [Dare rakapa mutongo wokuti vaPalestine vaisagona kubviswa munzanga.] Ndeupi mufungo wako wose pamusoro pedare?
Chomsky: Dare Repamusorosoro reIsraelโฆ rine rekodhi yakanaka zvine chekuita nevagari vechiJuda veIsrael. Nezve maPalestine muIsrael, hazvina kunaka.
Pane nyaya shomanana, seyawataura muKatzir, asi cherechedza kuti yaiva 2000. Mugore ra2000, kekutanga, dare rakagumisa kuti kugadzirisa hakugoni kusarura vagari veIsrael avo vari Palestinians. Zvinoshamisa chaizvo kuti kwadoka kudaro. Uye muchokwadi, sezviri pachena nharaunda muKatzir yakafunga nzira dzekunzvenga sarudzo. Ini ndinofunga kuti vaviri vePalestine havana kana kukwanisa kupinda kwehafu yemakore gumi nemaviri uye mamwe maturusi akamiswa kuti aedze kutsvaga nzira dzakatenderedza sarudzo.
Zvakadaro, mukati meIsrael zvakafanira, dare riri - harizi pamusoro pekutsoropodza - asi rine rekodhi yakanaka. Sezvandine chokwadi, munoziva, pave nekutsoropodza, Moshe Negbi, mutori wenhau anotungamira weIsrael panyaya dzemutemoโฆ ainyanya kushushikana nenyaya dzehuori nezvimwe zvakadaro, asi akataurawo nezve mabatiro avaiita nyaya dzePalestine mukati meIsrael.
Mukati menzvimbo dzakagarwaโฆ dare rine rekodhi yakashata. Dare Repamusorosoro reIsrael ndiro rega dare redzimhosva pasi rose risingazive kuti pane basa ... rinongori ... matunhu anotungamirwa. Izvo zvakarambwa neDare reNyika, hurumende yese yandinoziva, kusanganisira United States, Red Cross. Wese munhu haabvumirani neIsrael uye Dare Repamusorosoro rinoenda pamwe nehurumende. Dare Repamusorosoro rakagara richibvumidza pekugara zvisiri pamutemo, matanho ekugara zvisiri pamutemo, zvirambidzo zvine hutsinye kune maPalestine mukati menzvimbo dzakatorwa, zvinenge zvemazuva ese zvinoitika zvemhirizhonga. Dzimwe nguva inononotsa kuita zvishoma. Asi nhoroondo yacho inokatyamadza. Saka inyaya yekuparadzana.
Al Jazeera: Wakagara uchitsigira mhinduro yebhinari kune gakava reIsrael-Palestine nemhinduro yehurumende mbiri yakavakirwa pakubvumirana kwenyika dzese seye chete nhanho inonzwisisika. Iwe uchiri kutenda kuti iyi ndiyo mhinduro inonyanya kudiwa?
Chomsky: Zvakanaka, pane kukakavara kukuru iko zvino pakati pekubvumirana kwenyika mbiri-nyika uye imwe-nyika imwe nzira iyo iri kuramba ichitsigirwa nevazhinji vatauri, kusanganisira vane ruzivo rwakadai seUnited States, saIan Lustick semuenzaniso.
Asi pane chimwe chinhu chakaipa nenharo iyoyo. Kurikusiya imwe nzira yechitatu, inova iyo iri kuitwa zvakarongeka neIsrael, kubvira 1969 kana zvakadaro, kusikwa kwe 'Greater Israel', iyo ichatora nzvimbo. Zvese zvakakosha kuIsrael zvichasiya kunze kwehuwandu hwevanhu vePalestine.
Saka, Israeri haadi kubatanidza Nablus mukati meichave 'Greater Israel'. Inofanirwa kuchengetedza ruzhinji rwemaJuda mune rusarura, nyika inotongwa nemaJuda. Saka zvinoreva kutora Mupata waJoridhani, dzinga vanhu. Imwe kana imwe fungidziro inoshandiswaโฆ uye yobva yashanduka kuita misha yemaJuda. Vanotora maguta ari mukati meWest Bank seMaale Adumim, akavakwa zvakanyanya muma1990s, dzimba dzinofadza dzakapihwa nehurumendeโฆ Unogona kubva mumusha mako wakapihwa rubatsiro kuMaaleh Adumim kuenda kubasa rako muTel Aviv uye usingatombozivi kuti kune vanhu vekuPalestine. Parizvino, maPalestine asara mumatunhu ari kubatanidzwa neIsrael nekuronga kutora masimba akakamurwa kuita ... kutanha maorivhi avo uye zvichingodaro, kunyanya kusungwa.
Uye pfungwa ndeyekuedza kuona kana isu tichigona kungozvibvisa neimwe nzira, kuita kuti vasiye zvisingatsungiririki. Zvichakadaro, nguva pfupi yadarika, mazuva mashoma apfuura, hurumende yechitendero chekurudyi, yakawedzera kodzero yekugara kweIsrael kuchamhembe kwakadziva kumadokero kweWest Bank, inonzi neIsrael Western Samariaโฆ [ichitsvaga] kubatanidza muIsrael chero chinokosheswa neIsrael mukati. nharaunda dzakatorwa. Jerusarema zvino rave kakapetwa kashanu chero zvazvaive munhoroondo, kutora misha yakapoteredza kuti ive nechokwadi cheruzhinji rwemaJuda. Pane nzira, kwete pamutemo, zvishoma nezvishoma, nhanho nhanho ... pazasi pe radar. Parizvino, vechidiki veIsrael havatomboziva kuti kune mutsara wegirini.
Kana iwe uchida kutaura nezve mhedzisiro yenguva refu, haugone kungotaura nezve imwe nyika uye nyika mbiri. Iwe unofanirwa kutaura pamusoro pezviri kuitika, 'Greater Israel'. Ini ndinonzwisisa kufunga kwevamiriri vehurumende imwe chete, asi ndinofunga ... hazvigoneke kuti Israeri ichazombobvuma kuzviparadza uye kuve ruzhinji rwemaJuda munyika inotongwa nePalestine, ndizvo zvinoratidzwa nedemografia. Uye hapana rutsigiro rwepasirese kwazviri. Hapana. Saka manzwiro angu pachangu isarudzo chaidzo ndedze 'Greater Israel', kana kuenda kune imwe mhando yehurongwa hwehurumende mbiri. Zvinowanzotaurwa kuti izvo hazvichagoneki nekuda kweiyo yakakura kugadzirisa chirongwa. Pamwe, pamwe kwete. Ndinofunga kana United States ichiomerera, inosarudza kubatana nenyika yose mukutsigira imwe rudzi rwekugadzirisa hurumende mbiri, kwete kungotaura chete, asi mukuita, Israeri ichatarisana nechisarudzo chakakomba zvikuru.
Iwe unofanirwa kutarisa kumashure uye kuona izvo mutemo weIsrael wanga uri mumakore makumi mashanu apfuura. Dzokera kuma50 ... pakaitwa sarudzo dzekutanga. Mumakore ekuma1970, UN Security Council yanga ichikakavadzana nechisungo chekuti nyika mbiri dzigadzwe, pamuganhu wepasi rose, pamwe shanduko diki, asi chibvumirano chenyika mbiri umo mune vimbiso yekodzero yenyika imwe neimwe kugara murunyararo. uye kuchengetedzwa mukati memiganhu yakachengeteka uye inozivikanwa.
Israeri yaipikisa zvikuru. Yitzhak Rabin, nhume yeUN, akaishora nehasha. Israel yakaramba kunyange kupinda misangano. Yaitsigirwa neEgypt, Jordan, Syria, inonzi 'confrontation states'. Kune rekodhi refu pasi rose, mavhoti muGeneral Assembly yezvisungo zvakafanana, mavhoti akaita zana nemakumi mashanu kutatu, United States, Israel uye nyika dzinotsigirwa neUS. Israel yakasarudza muma150, yakaita danho rakashata rekusarudza kuwedzera pamusoro pekuchengetedza. Zvakanaka, izvo zvaireva kuti Israeri yaivimba nekuchengetedzeka kwayo nekutsigirwa neUnited States. Ndiko kutengeserana. Kana ukasarudza kuwedzera pamusoro pekuchengetedza, unovimba nenyika ine simba. Kana US ikachinja mutemo wayo, Israel ine sarudzo dzakaoma kuita.
Al Jazeera: Vashoma vane njere vakakonzera kukakavara kukuru kupfuura iwe. Une here kuzvidemba pane chero zvinzvimbo zvawatora kana kusatora zvine chekuita nekumiririra kwako?
Chomsky: Nekuti usina kutora, hongu. Ndaisazodzosa avo vandakatora, asi pane zvinhu zvakawanda zvandaifanira kuita zvandisina kuita. Ndakanga, nemaitiro eUS, mupikisi wekutanga weHondo yeVietnam. Ndakatanga kushingaira mukupikisa hondo mukutanga kwema1960 ... asi zvakanga zvanyanya kunonoka. Aifanira kunge ari makore gumi apfuura apo US yakatanga kutsigira kuedza kweFrance kutorazve koloni yavo uye, apo maFrance akakundikana, US yakatora, yakakanganisa Geneva Accords, yakamisa nyika yevatengi kumaodzanyemba yakauraya makumi matanhatu [chiuru] kana kuti vanhu 10 60. Ndipo paifanira kutanga kuratidzira. Kutozosvikira rutivi rwokupedzisira rwama70,000, pakanga pasina chishoro chakarongwa chaizvoizvo. Iri raive tsotsi uye ndaifanira kunge ndakatanga, zvimwe chete pane zvimwe zvinhu.
Tora Israel, nhau huru youpenyu hwangu kubvira ndichiri muduku. Ndakatanga kutaura pachena nezve hutsotsi hwezviito zveIsrael muna 1969 - zvaifanira kunge zvakamboitika. Ndaiziva kudzvinyirirwa kwevagari vePalestine muIsrael. Ndakazvionera ... Muna 1953, ndakagara muIsrael kwemwedzi inoverengeka pakibbutz, iyo panguva iyoyo yaive hwaro hwekuparidzira nharaunda yeArab pamwe nenharaunda yePalestine. Ndaisaziva chiArabic zvakakwana kuti ndikwanise kutevera kurukurirano. Uye ndaienda, dzimwe nguva ndaifamba nemunhu wemu kibbutz aifambisa kuparidzira kwechiArabโฆ vakaenda kunorwa kuti vawane mvumo yekuyambuka mugwagwa.
Ndaigonawo kuona zviito zvekudzvanyirira uye ... kutuka maJuda asiri eAshkenazi Moroccan. Zvinhu zvese izvozvo zvaifanira kunge zvataurwa. Ini handina kubatanidzwa kusvika mushure mehondo ye'67 uye Israeri yakatanga marongero ekugadzirisa nekusimudzira munzvimbo dzakatorwa, izvo zvakawedzera uye zvakatungamira kune mamiriro azvino. Ndakanyanya kupfava mukutsoropodza kwangu uye ndanonoka.
Al Jazeera: Abraham Joshua Heschel, uyo aipikisawo zvakasimba hondo yeVietnam, akatsanangura navi [muporofita] se 'munhu wekutambudzika ane hupenyu nemweya zviri panjodzi mune zvaanotaura, asi akakwanisa kuona kugomera kwakanyarara. kutambudzika kwevanhu'. Sezvo vamwe vachifunga nezvebasa rako, zvingave zvakarurama here kutsanangura Noam Chomsky semufambisi wengarava?
Chomsky: Chii chinonzi navi? Iri izwi risinganzwisisike mavambo asina kujeka. Pamwe muAkkadian anokwereta, asi hapana anoziva zvechokwadi. Vanhu vainzi navien vaive vakato fanana neatingati ma dissident intellectuals mazuvano. Vakanga vari vanhu vakashora kuongorora kwezvematongerwo enyika, vakanyevera kuti Madzimambo Akaipa akanga achitungamirira vanhu vechiJudha munjodzi, akashora mhosva uye hutsinye hwemadzimambo, akadana chirikadzi nenherera tsitsi.
Zvakawanda zvakasiyana-siyana zvezvinhu zvinonzi dissident intellectual opinion, uye vaibatwa sezvinowanzoitwa nevakangwara vanopikisa - zvakaipa. Kudzingwa mugwenga. Kusungwa. Eriya akanzi Muvengi waIsraeri nokuti akashinga kushora zviito zvaMambo Akaipa. Zvakanaka, zvinozivikanwa, ine resonances yayo munhoroondo kusvika ikozvino. Zviripachena kuti haasi makore 2,500 apfuura, [inyika] yakasiyanaโฆ [asi] mamwe maitiro akafanana.
Al Jazeera: Pane chero chinhu mumba mako chiri chiyeuchidzo chemuviri kubva kune imwe yenzendo dzako kuenda kuIsrael nePalestine? Uye chinomiririrei?
Chomsky: Zvakanaka, ndine chiyeuchidzo chimwe chete chepanyama. Ndakaitora mumusasa wevapoteri weKalandia apo musasa wacho wakanga wakarambidzwa nemauto kupinda muIntifada yokutanga. Ndiine shamwari dzinoverengeka, shamwari dzeIsrael, dzePalestine, ndakakwanisa kushanda kuburikidza nemutemo wemauto, nenzira yekuseri. Takakwanisa kufamba tichitenderera musasa kwekanguva tisati tatorwa nevaIsraeri vaifamba-famba. Akataura nevanhu vakanga vakavharirwa mudzimba dzavo uko, pamusoro pemafenzi. Ndakanhonga chigaba - handina kukwana nyanzvi yemauto kuti ndikuudzei kuti chaive chii, ndinofungidzira kuti chaive chigaba chehutsi hunokachidza - chakasiiwa nemauto eIsrael anga achichirwisa. Saka ndiyo imwe memento, kwete yenguva inofadza.
Al Jazeera: Uye zvinomiririra chii?
Chomsky: Izvi zvinomiririra hudzvanyiriri hukashama, hune hutsinyeโฆ munzvimbo dzinogarwa zvino kwemakore anopfuura makumi mashanu, zvichiwedzera mumhirizhonga neudzvanyiririโฆPane nyaya dzinenge dzamazuva ose dzerudzi rumwe kana rumwe rwemhirizhonga, kutyisidzirwa, kudzvinyirirwa ... kuona IDF, dzimwe nguva kutora chikamu. Unoenda kunzvimbo yakaita seHebroni, zvinokatyamadza kuona.
Uye Gaza hongu, yakashata zvakanyanya. Ndanga ndiri muGaza ... pakati pekumwe kurwiswa kweIsrael. Imhosva โฆ inonyadzisaโฆ Vanhu vanopfuura mamiriyoni maviri vakasungwa. Hapana mvura inonwiwa yekunwa, iyo simba system, masewage masisitimu akaparadzwa nechisimba cheIsrael. Vabati vehove havakwanise kuenda anopfuura makiromita mashoma kunze kwemvura ine tsvina: Zvikepe zvepfuti zveIsrael zvinovachengeta. Ndiyo imwe yemhosva huru dzenguva yazvino. Iyo Golan Heights. Hapana kana munhu anotaura nezvazvo zvakare. Zvakangotorwa zvichityora danho rakabvumiranwa muSecurity Council rakadzorwa naTrump. Zvinhu zvose izvi ndiIsraeri wazvino.
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