Vatsigiri veGreen New Deal vari kuparura rwendo rwenyika yose neChina kuvaka tsigiro yesarudzo yekongiresi yekushandura hupfumi hweUS kuburikidza nemari inokwanisa kutsvagisa simba vachipedza US carbon dioxide emissions panosvika 2030. Democracy Now! akataura naNoam Chomsky nezveGreen New Deal uye zvidzidzo zveDeal Itsva yekare muBoston svondo rapfuura.
AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Ichi chi Dememocracy Zvino! Ini ndiri Amy Goodman, naNermeen Shaikh. Tinopedzisa shoo yanhasi nenyanzvi yemitauro ine mukurumbira pasi rose, mupikisi wezvematongerwo enyika Noam Chomsky. Ndakataura naye svondo rapfuura kuOld South Church muBoston. Nechinguva chidiki, tichanzwa Noam Chomsky achitaura nezvekupindira kweRussia musarudzo dzemuna 2016 uye zvakawanikwa nerepoti yaMueller ikasawana, izvo zviri kuburitswa nhasi. Asi chekutanga, ndakakumbira Noam Chomsky kuti ataure nezveGreen New Deal uye zvidzidzo zveDeal Itsva yekare.
NOAM CHOMSKY: Chekutanga pane zvese, ndinofunga iyo Green New Deal ndiyo chaiyo pfungwa. Unogona kubvunza mibvunzo nezve fomu chairo rakaunzwa naOcasio-Cortez naMarkey: Pamwe haifanire kunge iri iyi nzira; inofanira kunge yakasiyana zvishoma. Asi pfungwa huru yakarurama. Uye kune basa rakasimba kwazvo rinotsanangura, kuvandudza zvakadzama, kuti ringaite sei chaizvo. Saka, nyanzvi yezvehupfumi yakanakisa kuMass Amherst, Robert Pollin, akanyora zvakanyanya pamusoro, mune zvakadzama, nekuongorora kwakadzama kwemashandisiro aungaite marongero emhando iyi nenzira inoshanda, inogona kuita nzanga iri nani. Hazvingaite kuti urasikirwe nazvo; uchawana kubva pazviri. Mutengo wesimba remagetsi zvakare uri kuderera zvakanyanya. Kana iwe ukabvisa hukuru hwerubatsiro hunopihwa kumafuta ezvicherwa, anogona kunge atopfuura iwo. Kune nzira dzakawanda dzinogona kuitwa uye kuitwa kukunda, zvechokwadi kudzikisira, pamwe kukunda, dambudziko iri rakakura. Saka zano rekutanga nderekuti, ndinofunga, rinodzivirirwa zvachose-muchokwadi, yakakosha. Mazhinji enhau enhau anoseka ichi uye icho chimiro chayo chiri padivi peiyo pfungwa. Iwe unogona kushandura misi kubva 2030 kusvika 2040, iwe unogona kuita akati wandei mamwe manipulations, asi iyo yekutanga pfungwa ndeyechokwadi.
Zvakanaka, ndeupi musiyano kubva kuma1930? Zvinhu zvakawanda. Chinhu chimwe chakasiyana ndechekuita basa rakakura. Ma1930 yaive nguva yesangano re CIO. Mumakore ekuma1920, sangano revashandi reUnited States rakanga raparadzwa zvachose. Yeuka, iyi inzanga inotungamirirwa nebhizimisi. Nhoroondo yebasa reAmerica ine chisimba chakanyanya, zvakasiyana nenyika dzakafanana. Uye kuma1920s, sangano revashandi rine simba rakange rapwanyika. Rimwe remabhuku makuru enhorondo yebasa, rakanyorwa naDavid Montgomery, mumwe wevanyori venhoroondo dzebasa, rinonzi. Kusimuka uye Kudonha kweAmerican Labor Movement [Kuwa kweImba Yebasa: Nzvimbo Yebasa, Nyika, uye American Labor Activism, 1865-1925.]. Akanga achitaura nezvema1920, apo yakanga yaparadzwa chaizvoizvo. Kuma1930, zvakamutsidzirwa. Yakamutsiridzwa nemabasa makuru ekuronga. The CIO kuronga kwakatanga. Kuramwa mabasa kwacho kwaive kwemhirizhonga. Vakazotungamira kuma sitdown stereki. Kuramwa kwekugara chiratidzo chaicho chekunyevera kune makirasi ebhizinesi, nekuti pane nhanho inopfuura yekugara. Danho rinotevera rinopfuura kuramwa kwekugara nderekuti: โNgatitange fekitari nekuimhanyisa toga. Hatidi maboss. Tinogona kuzvimhanyisa isu pachedu. Saka siyana navo.โ OK? Ndiko kumukira chaiko, rudzi runofanira kuitika. Vatori vechikamu mune bhizinesi vaizova varidzi uye vorimhanyisa vega, pachinzvimbo chekuve varanda vevaridzi vega vanotonga hupenyu hwavo. Uye kuramwa kwekugara inhanho isina chinhu kubva ipapo. Izvozvo zvakamutsa kutya kwechokwadi pakati pezvidzidzo zvevaridzi.
Chechipiri chaivepo kwaive nehutongi hwekunzwira tsitsi, izvo zvakakosha. Iwe unotarisa nhoroondo yezviito zvevashandi kwemazana emakore-kune bhuku rakanaka kwazvo pane izvi, sezvinei, naErik Loomis, uyo anodzidza-ane bhuku rinonzi. Nhoroondo yeAmerica muKurova Gumi, kana rimwe zita rakafanana [Nhoroondo yeAmerica muKurova Gumi], kwaanopinda mumabasa echiuto kubvira pakutanga kwezana ramakore rechi19. Uye anoita pfungwa inofadza. Vanoti budiriro yese yevashandi yave nerutsigiro rwechinyararire kubva kuhurumende. Kana hurumende nemakirasi evaridzi vakabatana mukupwanya chiito chebasa, vagara vachibudirira. OK? Kucherechedza kwakakosha. Uye muma1930, pakanga paine hutongi hunonzwira tsitsi, nokuda kwezvikonzero zvakawanda. Asi musanganiswa iwoyo wezviito zvechisimbaโyakanga iri nguva inofadza zvikuru yezvematongerwe enyika munzira dzakawandaโuye hutongi hunonzwira tsitsi hwakatungamirira kuChibvumirano Chitsva, icho chakashandura zvikuru hupenyu hwevanhu.
AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Unogona here kugovera ongororo yako yeMutungamiri Trump? Wakararama kuburikidza nevatungamiri vakawanda. Tsanangura Mutungamiri Trump kwatiri uye ongorora mhinduro huru kwaari.
NOAM CHOMSKY: Zvakanaka, Trump - iwe unoziva, ndinofunga kune akati wandei ekunyepa pamusoro paTrump. Kana iwe ukatarisa chiitiko cheTrump, hazvishamisi. Funga shure kwemakore gumi kana gumi nemashanu apfuura pamaprimaries eRepublican Party, uye rangarira zvakaitika panguva yema primaries. Chese chepuraimari, pakasimuka mumwe mukwikwidzi kubva pachigadziko, vaive vasinganzwisisike zvekuti veRepublican vakaedza kuvapwanya vakabudirira kuzviita โ Michele Bachmann, Herman Cain, Rick Santorum. Chero ani aibuda mubhesi aive asingabvumirwe zvachose nekugadzwa. Shanduko muna 10 havana kukwanisa kumupwanya.
Asi mubvunzo unonakidza ndewekuti: Nei izvi zvaiitika? Sei, musarudzo mushure mesarudzo, hwaro hwekuvhota hwaive huchiburitsa mumiriri zvachose pakugadzwa? Uye mhinduro kune iyo ndeye-kana iwe uchifunga nezvazvo, mhinduro haina kunetsa kuwana. Mukatiโkubva kuma1970, munguva iyi yerusununguko, mapato maviri ezvematongerwo enyika akatamira kurudyi. MaDemocrats, ne1970s, akange asiya chaizvo boka revashandi. Ndinoreva, kupera kwekupedzisira kwekuwedzera kana kushoma kufambira mberi kweDemocratic Party yemutemo zvikumbiro yaive Humphrey-Hawkins Full Employment Act muna 1978, iyo Carter yakadiridza pasi zvekuti yaive isina mazino, yakangove yekuzvidira. Asi maDemocrats akange asiya basa rekushanda. Vakava vakanaka chaizvo vaimbonzi moderate Republicans. Zvichakadaro, maRepublicans akatama kusvika kurudyi zvekuti vakabva vabuda zvachose. Vaviri vevaongorori vezvematongerwo enyika veAmerican Enterprise Institute, Thomas Mann, Norman Ornstein, makore angangoita mashanu kana gumi apfuura, vakatsanangura bato reRepublican seyavanodaidza kuti "kumukira kwakanyanya" kwakasiya zvematongerwo enyika muparamende.
Zvakanaka, nei izvozvo zvakaitika? Zvakaitika nekuti maRepublicans vakatarisana nedambudziko rakaoma. Vane dunhu rekutanga, dunhu chairo: hupfumi hwakanyanya uye simba rekambani. Ndivo vavanofanira kushumira. Ndiyo constituency yavo. Iwe haugone kuwana mavhoti nenzira iyoyo, saka unofanirwa kuita chimwe chinhu kuti uwane mavhoti. Unoitei kuti uwane mavhoti? Izvi zvakatangwa naRichard Nixon nehurongwa hwekuMaodzanyemba: edza kunhonga maRacists kuMaodzanyemba. Pakati pemakore ekuma1970, Paul Weyrich, mumwe weRepublican strategists, akarova pfungwa yakanaka. MaKatorike ekuchamhembe akavhotera Democratic, aifarira kuvhota Democratic, vazhinji vavo vanoshanda-kirasi. MaRepublicans vaigona kutora vhoti iyoyo nekunyepedzera-zvakakosha, "kunyepedzera" -kupokana nekubvisa pamuviri. Nekunyepedzera kumwe chete, vaigona kutora vhoti yeevhangeri. Iwayo mavhoti makuru-evhangeri, maKaturike ekuchamhembe. Cherechedza shoko rokuti "kunyepedzera." Zvakakosha. Unodzokera kuma1960s, munhu wese anotungamira weRepublican aive nesimba, yatinodaidza zvino, pro-sarudzo. Chinzvimbo cheRepublican Party chaivaโndicho Ronald Reagan, George HW Bush, hutungamiri hwoseโchinzvimbo chavo chaiva chokuti: Kubvisa pamuviri harisi basa rehurumende; ibhizimusi repachivande โ hurumende haina chekutaura nezvazvo. Vakaita kunge dhiri kuti vaedze kunhonga hwaro hwekuvhotera dzinonzi nyaya dzechivanhu. Zvimwe chete nekodzero dzepfuti. Kodzero dzepfuti inova nyaya yezvinyorwa zvitsvene nekuti unogona kutora chikamu chehuwandu nenzira iyoyo. Muchokwadi, zvavakaita kubatanidza mubatanidzwa wevavhoti zvichibva pazvinhu izvo, munoziva, zvinoshivirirwa pakugadzwa, asi havazvifarire. OK? Uye vanofanira kubata izvozvo, matunhu maviri aya, pamwe chete. Iyo chaiyo constituency yehupfumi uye simba remakambani, ivo vanochengetwa nemutemo chaiwo.
Saka, kana iwe ukatarisa mutemo uri pasi paTrump, zvinongori zvipo zvakawandisa kune hupfumi uye chikamu chemakambani-mutero wemutero, kudzoreredzwa, munoziva, nyaya dzese. Ndiro rudzi rwebasa raMitch McConnell naPaul Ryan, vakomana ivavo. Vanoshandira constituency chaiyo. Zvichakadaro, VaTrump vanofanirwa kuchengetedza dunhu rekuvhota, vaine chinzvimbo chakashata mushure mechimwe chinokwezva kune chimwe chikamu chevavhoti. Uye ari kuzviita nounyanzvi. Kungofanana nekuita zvematongerwo enyika, zvine hunyanzvi. Shandira vapfumi nevane simba, shaft vamwe vese, asi wana mavhoti avo - harisi dhiri nyore. Uye ari kuzvitakura.
Uye, ndinofanira kutaura, maDemocrats ari kumubatsira. Vari. Tora kutarisa kuRussiagate. Chii ichocho? Ndinoreva, zvaive pachena pakutanga kuti hausi kuzowana chero chakakomba nezvekupindira kweRussia musarudzo. Ndinoreva, chimwe chinhu, hazvionekwi. Ndinoreva, musarudzo dza2016, Seneti neImba zvakafamba nenzira imwe chete semukuru, asi hapana anoti pane kupindira kweRussia ikoko. Muchokwadi, munoziva, kupindira kweRussia musarudzo, kana yaivepo, yaive shoma, zvishoma, titi, pane kupindira, toti, Israeri. Israel, mutungamiriri wehurumende, Netanyahu, vanoenda kuCongress votaura kumusangano weCongress, vasina kana kuzivisa White House, kurwisa mitemo yaObama. Ndinoreva kuti kupindira kunoshamisa kwesarudzo. Chero izvo vanhu vekuRussia vakaedza, hazvizove zvakadaro. Uye, chokwadi, hapana kupindira musarudzo kunotanga kuenzaniswa nemari yemushandirapamwe. Rangarira kuti mari yemushandirapamwe chete inokupa kufanotaura kwakanyanya kwesarudzo. Iri, zvakare, basa guru raTom Ferguson iro rakaratidza izvi nekunyengetedza. Ndiko kupindira kukuru musarudzo. Chero chipi zvacho chingave chakaitwa nemaRussia chichava, munoziva, nzungu mukuenzanisa. Nekuda kwekubatana kwaTrump nemaRussia, izvo zvaisazombosvika kune chero chinhu chinopfuura huori hudiki, pamwe kuvaka hotera yeTrump muRed Square kana chimwe chinhu chakadaro, asi hapana chakakosha.
MaDemocrat akadyara zvese mune iyi nyaya. Zvakanaka, zvakazoitika kuti pakanga pasina zvakawanda ipapo. Vakapa Trump chipo chikuru. Kutaura zvazviri, vanogona kunge vakamupa sarudzo inotevera. Ingoriโiyo inyaya yekusada kubata nenhau dzakakosha, zvekuti vari kutsvaga chimwe chinhu kudivi chinozopa kubudirira mune zvematongerwo enyika. Nyaya dzechokwadi zvinhu zvakasiyana. Izvo zvinhu zvakaita sekuchinja kwemamiriro ekunze, sekudziya kwepasirese, seNuclear Posture Ongororo, kudzora. Idzi inyaya chaidzo. Asi maDemocrat haasi kutevera izvo. Vari kutsvaga chimwe chinhu - iyo Democratic kugadzwa. Handisi kutaura nezveboka revechidiki riri kuuya, iro rakatosiyana. Izvo zvese izvo zvinofanirwa kuchinjika zvakanyanya, kana paine mhirizhonga yezvematongerwo enyika inopikisa kune kurudyi-kudonha kuri kuitika. Uye zvinogona kuitika, zvinogona kuitika, asi zvichatora basa.
AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Nyanzvi yemitauro ine mukurumbira pasi rose uye anopikisa zvematongerwo enyika, VaNoam Chomsky, vachitaura kuOld South Church muBoston neChina manheru. Enda kudemocracynow.org kuti uone zvimwe zvebvunzurudzo uye kuona kutaura kwake. Unogona kuenda kudemocracynow.org kune edu evhidhiyo nemaodhiyo podcasts, pamwe nezvinyorwa zveese edu anoratidza.
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