Kana George Bush aizotongwa nemitemo yeNuremberg Tribunals, aizoturikwa. Saizvozvo zvakare, funga iwe, angaite wega Mutungamiriri weAmerica kubva pakupera kwehondo yechipiri yenyika, kusanganisira Jimmy Carter.
Zano iri rinobva kunyanzvi yemutauro wekuAmerica Noam Chomsky. Kurwisa kwake kwekupedzisira pamaitiro enyika yake munyika kunonzi Hegemony kana Survival, America's Quest for Global Dominance.
Jeremy Paxman akasangana naye kuBritish Museum, kwavakataura muAssyrian Galleries. Akamubvunza kana airatidza kuti hapana chitsva mune yainzi Bush Doctrine.
NOAM CHOMSKY:
Zvakanaka, zvinoenderana. Zvinozivikanwa sechimurenga. Henry Kissinger, semuenzaniso, akaitsanangura sedzidziso itsva yekuchinja inoparadza Westphalian System, 17th century system yeInternational Order uyezve UN Charter. Asi zvakadaro, uye yakashoropodzwa zvakanyanya mukati mevamiriri vezvematongerwo enyika vekunze. Asi pavhu rakamanikana dzidziso yacho haisi itsva chaizvoizvo, ndeyekunyanyisa.
JEREMY PAXMAN:
Chii chaifanirwa kuitwa neUnited States mushure me9/11? Anga ari munhu akarwiswa zvinotyisa, nemaune, chii chaifanira kuita kunze kwekuedzaโฆ?
NOAM CHOMSKY:
Sei uchisarudza 9/11? Wadii kusarudza 1993. Chaizvoizvo chokwadi chekuti chiitiko chegandanga chakabudirira munaGunyana 11 haina kushandura kuongororwa kwengozi. Muna 1993, mapoka akafanana, US akadzidzisa maJihadi akaswedera pedyo nekuputitsa World Trade Center, nekuronga kuri nani, vangadai vakauraya makumi ezviuru zvevanhu. Kubva ipapo zvakazivikanwa kuti izvi zvinogoneka. Muchokwadi mukati me90's pakanga paine tekinoroji mabhuku ekufanotaura, uye isu tinoziva zvekuita. Zvaunoita ibasa rechipurisa. Basa remapurisa ndiyo nzira yekumisa maitiro ehugandanga uye yakabudirira.
JEREMY PAXMAN:
Asi iwe urikukurudzira kuti United States mupfungwa iyoyo ndiye munyori weYake Nemesis.
NOAM CHOMSKY:
Zvakanaka, kutanga kwezvose izvi hazvisi maonero angu. Ndiwo mafungiro enyanzvi dzese dzehugandanga. Tarisa uone, taura mubhuku raJason Burke richangoburwa paAl-Qaeda rinongori bhuku rakanakisa riripo. Anomhanya kuburikidza nenhoroondo yekuti chiito chega chega chechisimba chakawedzera sei kuunganidza mari yekufambisa, zvaanotaura ndezvekuti, ndiri kumutora, kuti chiito chega chega chechisimba kukunda kuduku kwaBin Laden.
JEREMY PAXMAN:
Asi sei uchifungidzira George Bush achiita seizvi?
NOAM CHOMSKY:
Nekuti handifunge kuti vane hanya zvakanyanya nezvehugandanga, isu tinozviziva. Tora kuti kurwiswa kweIraq, zvakafanotaurwa nechero nyanzvi mumasangano ehungwaru kuti kupinda kweIraq kwaizowedzera kutyisidzira kweAl-Qaeda maitiro ehugandanga izvo chaizvo zvakaitika. Pfungwa ndeyokutiโฆ
JEREMY PAXMAN:
Saka aizozviitirei?
NOAM CHOMSKY:
Nekuti kupinda muIraq kune kukosha mukati Mayo, ndinoreva kumisikidzaโฆ
JEREMY PAXMAN:
Zvakanaka chii kukosha?
NOAM CHOMSKY:
Kugadzira hwaro hwekutanga hwakachengeteka hwemauto munzvimbo inotsamira yevatengi pamwoyo wedunhu rinogadzira simba renyika.
JEREMY PAXMAN:
Haufungi here kuti vanhu veIraq vari nani kubva vabvisa mudzvanyiriri?
NOAM CHOMSKY:
Vakabvisa hurumende mbiri dzine hutsinye, imwe yatinofanira kutaura nezvayo, imwe yatisingafanire kutaura nezvayo. Hutongi huviri hwaive nehutsinye hwaive hwaSaddam Hussein uye zvirango zveUS-Britain, izvo zvakaparadza nzanga, zvakauraya mazana ezviuru zvevanhu, zvaimanikidza vanhu kuti vavimbe naSaddam Hussein. Iye zvino zvirango zviri pachena zvaigona kunge zvakashandurwa kuve zvombo pane kuparadza nzanga pasina kupindira. Dai izvo zvaitika, hazvigoneke zvachose kuti vanhu veIraq vangadai vakatumira Saddam Hussein nenzira imwechete kune mamwe mamonya anotsigirwa neUS neBritain. Ceausescu, Suharto, Duvalier, Marcos, pane rondedzero refu yavo. Muchokwadi vekumadokero vanoziva Iraq zvakanyanya vaifanotaura izvi nguva yese.
JEREMY PAXMAN:
Unoita kunge uri kutaura kana kureva, pamwe handisi kukuitira zvakanaka, asi unoita kunge uri kureva kuti pane kuenzana pakati pevatungamiriri venyika vakasarudzwa zvine gutsaruzhinji vakaita saGeorge Bush kana Prime Minister saTony Blair nehurumende munzvimbo dzakaita seIraq.
NOAM CHOMSKY:
Izwi rekuti kuenzana kwetsika rinonakidza, rakagadzirwa ndinofunga naJeane Kirkpatrick senzira yekuedza kudzivirira kushoropodzwa kwemitemo yekunze uye sarudzo dzenyika. Ipfungwa shoma, hapana kuenzana kwetsika sezvakamboita.
JEREMY PAXMAN:
Kana zviri nani kuti munhu ararame mudemokrasi yakasununguka, pane bhenefiti inowanikwa nekuparadzira hunhu hweiyo democracy chero zvaungagona?
NOAM CHOMSKY:
Izvi zvinondifungisa mubvunzo wakambobvunzwa naGhandi weWestern civilisation, aifungei nazvo. Akati hongu, ingava pfungwa yakanaka. Kutaura zvazviri, ingava pfungwa yakanaka kuparadzira tsika dzerusununguko rwedemokrasi. Asi handizvo zviri kuyedza kuita neUS neBritain. Handizvo zvavakaita kare. Tarisa matunhu ari pasi pehutongi hwavo. Havaparadzire democracy yakasununguka. Chavanoparadzira kutsamira uye kuzviisa pasi. Uyezve zvinonyatsozivikanwa kuti ichi chikamu chikuru chechikonzero chekupokana kukuru kwemutemo weUS mukati meMiddle East. Kutaura zvazviri, izvi zvaizivikanwa kuma1950.
JEREMY PAXMAN:
Asi kune nyika dzakawanda dziri kumabvazuva kweEurope iko zvino dzinoti tave nani pane zvataiva panguva yatairarama pasi peSoviet Empire. Nekuda kwemaitiro ekumavirira.
NOAM CHOMSKY:
Uye kune nyika zhinji dziri muUS domains, seCentral America, maCaribbean vanoshuvira kuti vangave vasina hutongi hweAmerica. Isu hatitarise zvakanyanya kune zvinoitika ikoko asi ivo vanodaro. Muna 1980s apo varipo vaivepo vaive muchikamu chavo cheReganite. Mazana ezviuru zvevanhu akaurayiwa muCentral America. IUS yakaita kurwisa kukuru kwehugandanga kuNicaragua, kunyanya sehondo pakereke. Vakaponda Archbishop ndokuponda vachenjeri vatanhatu veJesuit. Izvi zviri muEl Salvador. Yakanga iri nguva yakaoma. Vakaisa chii? Kwakanga kuri mademokrasi akasununguka here? Aihwa.
JEREMY PAXMAN:
Wataura kaviri kana katatu ukama uhwu pakati peUnited States neBritain. Unonzwisisa here kuti nei Tony Blair akazvibata sezvaakaita pamusoro peAfghanistan neIraq?
NOAM CHOMSKY:
Zvakanaka, kana ukatarisa nhoroondo yeBritish diplomatic, kumashure muma1940s, Britain yaifanira kuita sarudzo. Britain yanga iri simba guru repasi rose, United States kunyangwe iyo nyika yakapfuma kwazvo pasi rose yanga isiri mutambi mukuru muchiitiko chepasirese, kunze kwedunhu. NeHondo Yenyika Yechipiri zvaive pachena kuti US ndiyo yaizove simba guru, munhu wese aiziva izvozvo. Britain yaifanira kuita sarudzo. Chaizove chikamu cheicho chaizopedzisira chave Europe inogona kuenda kune rusununguko, kana kuti ingave iyo iyo iyo Hofisi Yekune dzimwe nyika yakadana junior partner kuUnited States? Zvakanaka zvakaita sarudzo iyoyo kuve mubatsiri wejunior kuUnited States.
Saka panguva yeCuban missile crisis semuenzaniso, unotarisa declassified rekodhi, vakabata Britain nekuzvidza zvachose. Harold McMillan haana kana kuziviswa nezve zvaiitika uye kuvepo kweBritain kwaive panjodzi. Zvaiva nengozi. Mumwe mukuru mukuru, pamwe Dean Acheson uye haasati azivikanwa, akatsanangura Britain semumashoko ake "Lieutenant wedu, izwi remufashoni shamwari". Zvakanaka maBritish angada kunzwa izwi remufashoni, asi vatenzi vanoshandisa izwi chairo. Ndidzo sarudzo dzinofanirwa kuitwa neBritain. Ndinoreva kuti sei Blair akasarudza, handina kukwanisa kutaura.
JEREMY PAXMAN:
Noam Chomsky, ndatenda.
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