Aretha Franklin, tus poj huab tais ntawm Ntsuj Plig, tuag hnub Thursday ntawm nws lub tsev hauv Detroit thaum muaj hnub nyoog 76. Tau ntau xyoo, Aretha Franklin tau ua kev zoo siab ua ib tus neeg hu nkauj Asmeskas zoo tshaj plaws ntawm txhua hom, uas tau pab yug tus ntsuj plig thiab rov txhais cov neeg Asmeskas. suab paj nruag kev lig kev cai. Xyoo 1987, Aretha Franklin tau los ua thawj tus poj niam uas raug coj mus rau hauv Pob Zeb thiab Roll Hall of Fame. Nws tuav cov ntaub ntawv rau cov nkauj tshaj plaws ntawm Billboard Top 100 rau 40 xyoo. Rolling Stone tau muab nws lub npe hu ua tus hu nkauj zoo tshaj plaws txhua lub sijhawm ntawm nws cov npe 100 saum toj kawg nkaus, hu nws "ib qho khoom plig los ntawm Vajtswv." Nws ntaus ib leeg "Kev hwm" tau los ua ib feem ntawm cov suab paj nruag rau pej xeem txoj cai txav, uas nws kuj tau txhawb nqa tom qab. Peb tham nrog cov xibfwb Mark Anthony Neal ntawm Duke University thiab Farah Jasmine Griffin ntawm Columbia University.
AMY GOODMAN: Kev qhuas yog nchuav los ntawm thoob plaws lub tebchaws thiab thoob ntiaj teb rau Aretha Franklin, tus poj huab tais ntawm Ntsuj Plig. Nws tuag hnub Thursday ntawm nws lub tsev hauv Detroit thaum muaj hnub nyoog 76. Tau ntau xyoo, Aretha Franklin tau ua kev zoo siab ua ib tus neeg hu nkauj Asmeskas zoo tshaj plaws ntawm txhua hom, uas tau pab yug tus ntsuj plig thiab rov txhais cov suab paj nruag Asmeskas. Xyoo 1987, Aretha Franklin tau los ua thawj tus poj niam uas raug coj mus rau hauv Pob Zeb thiab Roll Hall of Fame. Nws tuav cov ntaub ntawv rau cov nkauj tshaj plaws ntawm Billboard Top 100 rau 40 xyoo. Rolling Zeb muab nws lub npe hu ua tus hu nkauj zoo tshaj plaws ntawm txhua lub sijhawm ntawm nws cov npe saum 100, hu nws "ib qho khoom plig los ntawm Vajtswv."
Aretha Franklin yug Lub Peb Hlis 25th, 1942. Nws yog ib tug me nyuam prodigy, thiab thaum nws muaj hnub nyoog 4 xyoos nws twb raug suav hais tias yog ib qho suab paj nruag. Nws txiv, Reverend C.L. Franklin, yog ib tug xibhwb qhia Vajtswv Txojlus hauv New Bethel Baptist Church hauv Detroit, qhov chaw uas Aretha, tseem yog menyuam yaus, tau los ua ib tug neeg hu nkauj hnub qub, sawv saum lub rooj zaum thaum nws ua yeeb yam rau lub koom txoos. Los ntawm nws thaum ntxov nees nkaum xyoo, Aretha tau tshwm sim hauv lub tebchaws TV, suav nrog Steve Allen Qhia, qhov chaw nws ua yeeb yam "Yuav Tsis Ntev" hauv xyoo 1964.
ARETHA Franklin: [singing] Baby, kuv nyob ntawm no
Los ntawm txoj kev tsheb ciav hlau
Tos kuv tus me nyuam
Nws rov qab los
Rov qab rau kuv
Ntawm 503
Thiab nws yuav tsis ntev
Nws yuav tsis ntev
kuv kho siab kawg li
Txij li thaum tus txiv neej tau ploj mus
Tsis yog ib yam uas tsim nyog hais
Tau mus
Yog vim li cas kuv paub
Thaum lub suab nrov
Nws yuav tsis ntev
Tias nws yuav tsis ntev
AMY GOODMAN: Xyoo 1967, Aretha Franklin tau kos npe nrog Atlantic Cov Ntaub Ntawv thiab pib tso tawm cov yeeb yaj kiab uas muaj suab npe hloov pauv suab paj nruag nrov. Nws 1967 npog ntawm Otis Redding's "Kev hwm" tau dhau los ua kev ntaus thoob ntiaj teb.
ARETHA Franklin: [singing] Qhov koj xav tau
Baby, Kuv tau txais nws
Koj xav tau dab tsi
Koj puas paub kuv tau txais
Txhua yam kuv nug '
Yog rau me ntsis kev hwm
Thaum koj mus txog tsev (me ntsis)
Hav me nyuam (tsuas me ntsis)
Thaum koj mus txog tsev (me ntsis)
Mister (tsuas yog me ntsis)
Kuv yuav tsis ua koj yuam kev
Thaum koj mus
Tsis yog yuav ua koj yuam kev
Vim kuv tsis xav tau
Txhua yam kuv nug '
Yog rau me ntsis kev hwm
Thaum koj mus txog tsev (me ntsis)
Me nyuam (tsuas yog me ntsis)
Thaum koj mus txog tsev (me ntsis)
Yog (tsuas yog me ntsis)
AMY GOODMAN: Aretha tau sau "Kev hwm" rau hnub Valentine's Day 1967. Tsis ntev los no nws tau dhau los ua suab paj nruag ntawm pej xeem txoj cai txav. Ib xyoos tom qab, nws yuav hu nkauj ntawm Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. lub ntees tuag tom qab nws raug tua nyob rau xyoo 1968. Tus Reverend Jesse Jackson tau hais tias Aretha tsis qhia npe pab nyiaj rau pej xeem txoj cai rau ntau xyoo lawm. Nws hais tias, "Thaum Dr. King tseem muaj sia nyob, nws tau pab peb ua nyiaj hli ntau zaus. โฆ Aretha yeej ib txwm yog ib tug neeg ua yeeb yam paub txog kev sib raug zoo, kev tshoov siab, tsis yog kev lom zem xwb. "
Xyoo 1970, Aretha Franklin tau hais kom tso cai rau Angela Davis, uas tau nyob hauv tsev lojcuj ntawm kev foob pob. Nws hais Dav hlau magazine, โAngela Davis yuav tsum mus dawb. Cov neeg dub yuav dawb. โฆ Kuv yuav pom nws muaj kev ywj pheej yog tias muaj kev ncaj ncees hauv peb lub tsev hais plaub, tsis yog vim kuv ntseeg kev ntseeg, tab sis vim nws yog ib tug poj niam Dub thiab nws xav tau kev ywj pheej rau cov neeg Dub, โ Aretha hais. Tom qab hauv qhov yeeb yam, peb yuav tham nrog tus xibfwb Angela Davis nws tus kheej txog qhov Aretha Franklin qhov kev txhawb nqa txhais tau li cas rau nws.
Aretha yuav mus hu nkauj ntawm peb tus thawj tswj hwm: Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton thiab Barack Obama. Hauv tsab ntawv tshaj tawm, Barack thiab Michelle Obama tau hais tias, "Tau ntau tshaj rau xyoo caum ... txhua zaus nws hu nkauj, peb txhua tus tau pom zoo los ntawm Vajtswv."
Niaj hnub no peb siv sij hawm saib lub neej txawv txawv thiab keeb kwm ntawm Aretha Franklin. Tom qab so, peb yuav pib nrog ob tus qhua: ntawm no hauv New York, Columbia University's Farah Jasmine Griffin, thiab ntawm Duke University hauv North Carolina, peb yuav koom nrog Mark Anthony Neal. Thiab tom qab ntawd los ntawm Martha's Vineyard, Angela Davis nws tus kheej yuav koom nrog peb tham txog Aretha Franklin txhais li cas rau nws. Nyob nrog peb.
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AMY GOODMAN: "Xav" los ntawm Aretha Franklin, ntawm no Kev ywj pheej tam sim no!, Democracynow.org, Kev Tsov Rog thiab Kev Tshaj Tawm Qhia. Kuv yog Amy Goodman. Raws li peb nco qab Aretha Franklin, tus poj huab tais ntawm Ntsuj Plig, peb tau koom nrog ob tus qhua.
Hauv New York, Farah Jasmine Griffin koom nrog peb, tus xibfwb ntawm lus Askiv thiab cov ntaub ntawv sib piv thiab African-American kev tshawb fawb ntawm Columbia University. Nws yog tus sau ntau phau ntawv, suav nrog Yog tias Koj Tsis Muaj Peev Xwm Dawb, Ua Qhov Tsis Paub: Hauv Kev Tshawb Nrhiav Billie Hnub So thiab Harlem Nocturne: Cov Poj Niam Ua Yeeb Yam thiab Kev Ncaj Ncees hauv New York Thaum Tsov Rog Ntiaj Teb Zaum II. Nws qhov tseeb tsab xov xwm rau lub teb chaws, "Aretha FranklinโMusical Genius, Tseeb Teller, Freedom Fighter."
Thiab nyob rau hauv Durham, North Carolina, peb tau koom nrog Mark Anthony Neal, tus thawj coj ntawm Lub Tsev Haujlwm Saib Xyuas Neeg Asmeskas & Neeg Asmeskas Kev Tshawb Fawb, qhov chaw nws kuj yog tus thawj coj ntawm Center for Arts, Digital Culture thiab Entrepreneurship. Tus tswv tsev ntawm lub limtiam webcast hu ua Sab laug ntawm Dub, nws blogs ntawm newblackman.blogspot.com. Nws yog tus sau ntau phau ntawv, suav nrog Lub Suab Nkauj hais li cas: Dub Nrov Suab Nkauj thiab Dub Pej Xeem Kab lis kev cai thiab Nkauj nyob rau hauv cov yuam sij ntawm lub neej dub: Ib lub voj voog thiab Blues Nation.
Peb tab tom yuav pib nrog Mark Anthony Neal. Koj cov lus teb thaum koj hnov โโAretha Franklin tuag lawm?
KEV KAWG TXHUA LEEJ NEAL: Zoo, tsis muaj kev poob siab rau kuv, Kuv tau tu siab. Nws yog qhov kawg ntawm ib lub sijhawm, hauv ntau txoj hauv kev. Rau kuv tus kheej, Aretha Franklin txhais tau hais tias kuv thaum yau, txhais kuv lub neej. Kuv tsis paub lub ntiaj teb tsis muaj Aretha Franklin nyob ntawd. Kuv tau qhia rau nws thaum tseem hluas los ntawm kuv niam, uas yog Aretha Franklin "Stan," vim tsis muaj txoj hauv kev zoo dua los piav qhia nws; muaj hmoo tau pom Aretha thawj zaug nyob rau ntawm Apollo theem thaum kuv muaj 5 xyoos, thaum nws tau ua li ntawd 1 lub lis piam sawv ntsug hauv 1971.
AMY GOODMAN: Thiab, koj paub, kuv hais tias Aretha Franklin tuag lawm, thiab tej zaum hauv lub cev nws yog, tab sis tau kawg lub suab paj nruag, nws lub peev xwm, nws - tus neeg loj heev no yuav nyob mus ntxiv. Farah Jasmine Griffin, koj thawj zaug hnov โโtias Aretha nyob hauv tsev kho mob.
FARAH JASMINE GRIFFIN: Yog lawm, kuv tau hnov โโlos ntawm ib tug phooj ywg uas nws nyob hauv tsev kho mob. Tseem tsis tau tshaj tawm. Thiab tom qab ntawd, tsis pub dhau 24 teev, cov xov xwm tau tshaj tawm thoob plaws hauv social media. Yog li, yog.
AMY GOODMAN: Yog li, tham txog qhov nws tau txhais rau koj.
FARAH JASMINE GRIFFIN: Au, kuv lub siab zoo. Zoo li Mark, kuv tsis nco qab lub sijhawm uas kuv tsis hnov โโAretha lub suab. Kuv xav tias tej zaum kuv hnov โโnws hauv plab. Kuv niam thiab cov phauj tau hlub thiab hlub nws heev. Nws tau txhais tau tias qhov zoo tshaj plaws ntawm Asmeskas suab paj nruag thiab Asmeskas kab lis kev cai. Thiab peb ib txwm paub txog nws txoj kev cog lus thiab kev txhawb nqa rau kev tawm tsam nom tswv ntawm cov neeg Asmeskas dub.
AMY GOODMAN: Vim li cas koj tsis tham txog qhov ntawd? Yog vim li cas nyob rau hauv lub headline ntawm koj daim rau lub teb chaws, ib qho ntawm cov lus piav qhia yog "kev ywj pheej fighter."
FARAH JASMINE GRIFFIN: kiag li. Kuv txhais tau tias, kuv xav tias tib neeg feem ntau tham txog Aretha los ntawm lub tsev teev ntuj, ib yam li peb cov neeg hu nkauj zoo, thiab tias lub tsev teev ntuj yog qhov chaw uas nws pom nws lub suab thiab qhov chaw nws kawm nws cov khoom siv tes ua. Tab sis nws kuj yog qhov chaw uas nws tau nyob hauv ib hom kev coj noj coj ua. Nws txiv yog nyob rau hauv kev lig kev cai ntawm tus yawm yaj saub dub preachers. Nws tus kheej yog ib tug activist. Nws lub tsev teev ntuj yog ib tugโ
AMY GOODMAN: Reverend Franklin, Detroit.
FARAH JASMINE GRIFFIN: Reverend C.L. Franklin, txoj cai, tus hais lus muaj txiaj ntsig zoo, tab sis kuj yog tus neeg ua haujlwm thiab tus neeg ntseeg siab ntawm Martin Luther King, piv txwv. Thiab yog li ntawd, nrog rau nws txoj kev cob qhia suab paj nruag, kuv xav tias, yuav yog hom kev nom kev tswv, ib yam nkaus. Thiab tom qab ntawd nws tau tawm ntawm nws tus kheej, ib txwm txhawb nqa Dr. King, txhawb nqa Dr.โkoj paub, Rev. Jesse Jackson. Tab sis kuv xav tias tshwj xeeb tshaj yog nrog cov lus tshaj tawm rau pej xeem hauv kev txhawb nqa ntawm Angela Davis, nws tau hais txog nws tus kheej txoj kev ua siab loj thiab kev txiav txim siab.
AMY GOODMAN: Kuv xav tig mus rau kev xam phaj nrog Aretha Franklin hauv 2015 nrog CNN's Don Lemon.
DON LEMON: Thaum koj saib dab tsi tshwm sim hauv Ferguson, muaj dab tsi tshwm sim nrog tub ceev xwm lossis txawm li cas los xij, koj puas xav tias peb yog - koj cov nkauj yog lub suab nkauj rau pej xeem txoj cai, rau pej xeem txoj cai txav? Muaj ntau zaj nkauj ua si.
ARETHA Franklin: Zoo, "Kev hwm" yog -
DON LEMON: Yog.
ARETHA Franklin: -ib mantra rau pej xeem txoj cai txav. Nws yog.
DON LEMON: Koj puas xav tias peb tab tom mus tom ntej lossis nrawm txaus?
ARETHA Franklin: Kuv xav tias peb tau los ntev heev. Peb tau los ua tus thawj coj hauv ntau qhov chaw - tau kawg, kev lom zem, kev ua si thiab lwm yam. Tab sis peb tseem muaj txoj kev mus ntev.
DON LEMON: Kuv muaj ua ntej lub lim tiam -
ARETHA Franklin: Tab sis peb tau ua kev zoo siab.
DON LEMON: Koj xav li ntawd.
ARETHA Franklin: Yog, kuv ua.
DON LEMON: Vim koj nyob ntawd. Koj pom nws. Koj nyob ntawm cov kab pem hauv ntej.
ARETHA Franklin: Tsis yog, kuv tsis tau nyob ntawm kab pem hauv ntej.
DON LEMON: Koj tsis xav tias -
ARETHA Franklin: Tiamsis kuv nrog Dr. Vajntxwv, los ntawm pawg ntseeg mus rau pawg ntseeg. Kuv tau tawm mus ncig ua si nrog nws thaum nws xub pib.
DON LEMON: Nov yog kab.
ARETHA Franklin: Yog.
DON LEMON: Koj yog - qhov no yog kab.
ARETHA Franklin: Zoo, kuv nyob tom qab Dr. King, thiab kuv yog ib tug hluas nkauj heev.
AMY GOODMAN: Qhov ntawd yog Aretha Franklin tham nrog Don Lemon rau CNN. Raws li koj tau mloog nws hais, Mark Anthony Neal, koj puas tuaj yeem nthuav dav nws txoj kev tawm tsam pej xeem? Nws, dua, hais txog "Kuv nyob tom qab ntawm qhov xwm txheej, kuv tsis nyob ntawm kab pem hauv ntej."
KEV KAWG TXHUA LEEJ NEAL: Koj paub, nws muaj kev sib tw ntawm kev ua yeeb yaj kiab dub uas nyob hauv lub ntsiab lus tseem ceeb, uas xav tau qee yam kev vam meej hauv kev ua tiav, thiab yuav tsum tau ceev faj heev thiab ua tib zoo saib rau hauv txoj hauv kev uas lawv koom nrog hauv zej zog txoj cai, uas nyob rau hauv. ntau qhov chaw ntawm Asmeskas haiv neeg tseem muaj kev tsis sib haum xeeb. Thiab zoo li ntau ntawm nws cov phooj ywg txij li lub sijhawm ntawd, ib txoj hauv kev uas lawv tau muab kev txhawb nqa yog kom muaj peev xwm muab kev txhawb nqa nyiaj txiag hauv keeb kwm yav dhau los, kom pom tseeb muaj peev xwm txhawb nqa sab ntsuj plig. Qhov uas nws txaus siab mus nrog Dr. King yog qhov tseem ceeb๏ปฟโtseem ceeb thiab nyuaj rau lub sijhawm ntawd.
Thiab txawm hais tias Aretha Franklin lub suab paj nruag tsis yog kev nom kev tswv, dua, thaum koj mloog "Kev hwm" thiab txoj kev nws tsuas yog nres los sau "kev hwm," nws tau ua rau ntau txoj hauv kev zoo rau cov neeg dub, uas tau hnov โโโโib yam dab tsi ntau tshaj li qhov yooj yim. ib tug poj niam hu nkauj txog tus txiv neej uas ua nws tsis ncaj ncees lawm. Peb tsis tshua tau txais cov lus tshaj tawm nom tswv hauv nws lub suab paj nruag kom txog thaum nws ua qhov zoo kawg nkaus Hluas, Gifted thiab Dub album hauv 1972, qhov twg nws npog Nina Simone. Thiab nyob rau hauv ntau txoj kev, nws dhau los ua nws lub suab paj nruag los lees paub txoj hauv kev uas nws tau txuas nrog qhov kev txav no hauv txoj hauv kev ntau dua. Peb pib pom nws hnav khaub ncaws nyob rau hauv ntau African-style garb. Nws yog nws lub sijhawm no, ntawm qhov siab tshaj ntawm nws txoj haujlwm, ntawm qhov kawg ntawm nws lub hwj chim, ntawm qhov siab tshaj plaws ntawm nws txoj kev loj hlob, thiab nws tuaj yeem sawv ntawm tus ceg ceg ntawd thiab lees paub tias nws yog ib tug nom tswv quab yuam thiab.
AMY GOODMAN: Koj tham txog 1972. Koj puas tuaj yeem qhia peb txog nws txoj kev sib raug zoo nrog Esther Phillips, thiab muaj dab tsi tshwm sim ntawm Grammys xyoo ntawd?
KEV KAWG TXHUA LEEJ NEAL: Koj paub, peb tau hnov โโntau yam hais txog tus diva uas Aretha Franklin yog, thiab qhov ntawd yog qhov tseeb, zoo li nws tau nrog txhua tus neeg uas muaj lub peev xwm zoo sib xws. Tab sis nws tau raug xaiv tsa hauv xyoo 1972, thiab nws nyob hauv ib pawg nrog Esther Phillips rau ib qho album hu ua Los ntawm Ntxhi mus rau ib qho quaj qw, qhov ci ntsa iab. Thiab Esther Phillips tau mus txoj kev ntev. Kuv txhais tau tias, nws tau dhau los ntawm Chitlin 'Circuit. Nyob rau hauv ntau txoj kev, nws yog ib tug ntawm cov neeg ua yeeb yam uas tau tsim ib qho chaw rau Aretha sau. Thiab thaum Aretha yeej qhov khoom plig Grammy rau qhov no, koj paub, Aretha ua qhov zoo kawg nkaus piav qhia los ntawm kev muab nws Grammy Award rau Esther Phillips kom lees paub tias nws yog leej twg hauv thaj teb thiab nws cov keeb kwm, tab sis kuj yog qhov cuam tshuam uas nws muaj rau nws. tus kws kos duab.
AMY GOODMAN: Kuv xav nug koj txog "Natural Woman" thiab nws txoj kev sib raug zoo nrog Carole King.
KEV KAWG TXHUA LEEJ NEAL: Koj paub, nws yog ib zaj nkauj zoo heev. Carole King yog ib feem ntawm ib tiam ntawm cov poj niam uas tau ua yeeb yam thiab sau lawv tus kheej suab paj nruag, thiab tsis tas yuav tau txais txiaj ntsig los ua tus hu nkauj-songwriters thiab cov tsim tawm uas lawv yog. Peb pom tib rooj plaub nrog tus kws kos duab zoo li Laura Nyro los ntawm lub sijhawm ntawd, thiab txawm tias Aretha Franklin, uas feem ntau yog tus tom qab cov keyboard rau nws tus kheej lub suab paj nruag. Lawv tau tsim cov nkauj zoo nkauj no, tab sis lawv tsis tau txais credit li cov neeg tsim khoom. Thaum Aretha sau Carole King's "A Natural Woman," nws yog ib qho kev sib koom ua ke ntawm ob tus neeg txawj ntse, tus kws sau nkauj thiab tus ua yeeb yam. Nws dhau los ua ib qho ntawm Aretha Franklin cov nkauj tseem ceeb tshaj plaws.
Rau kuv, nws siv cov nkauj ntawm nws cov nkauj nyob Ua Tshav Ntuj Zoo, qhov uas nws ua ib tug conflated version ntawm "(Koj Ua Rau Kuv Xav Zoo Li) Ib Tug Poj Niam" thiab-los yog, "Koj Tau Txais Ib Tug Phooj Ywg," uas kuj yog ib zaj nkauj uas tau sau los ntawm Carole King, thiab Thomas Dorsey's " Tus Tswv muaj nuj nqis, "qhov twg tam sim no Carole King tau nce siab raws li qhov tseem ceeb ntawm American singer-songwriter, tom qab tso tawm ntawm tapestry. Thiab nws coj Thomas Dorsey's - uas feem ntau cov neeg Asmeskas tsis paub nyob rau lub sijhawm no - thiab muab tso rau hauv tib lub dav hlau, ua ib qho tseem ceeb ntawm kev nom kev tswv thiab kev cai lij choj hais txog qhov tseem ceeb ntawm daim duab zoo li Thomas Dorsey tib lub sijhawm ntawd. Nws tau lees paub tus poj niam zoo nkauj hu nkauj-tus kws sau nkauj hauv Carole King.
AMY GOODMAN: Koj tau hais tias Aretha Franklin yog ib qho ntawm ob peb tus neeg ua yeeb yam dub nyob rau lub sijhawm ntawd uas nkag siab qhov tseem ceeb ntawm kev tswj cov lus piav qhia. Piav seb koj txhais li cas.
KEV KAWG TXHUA LEEJ NEAL: Koj paub, Aretha raug hlawv thaum ntxov hauv nws txoj haujlwm. Nws nyob ntawm qhov cover Lub sij hawm magazine nyob rau lub Rau Hli Ntuj xyoo 1968, thiab nws yog ib zaj dab neeg hais txog qhov cuam tshuam ntawm lub suab paj nruag ntawm lub sijhawm no, tab sis lawv kuj ua tau zoo ntawm nws qhov profile. Thiab muaj cov ntsiab lus uas tawm hauv zaj dab neeg uas nws yeej tsis nyiam heev. Thiab yog li nws tau pib tswj cov lus piav qhia hauv txoj hauv kev uas, koj paub, peb xav tias nws yog tus kheej heev - thiab muaj ntau tus kws ua yeeb yam ua li ntawd - tab sis kuj tseem hais txog kev tswj cov lus piav qhia ntawm lub sijhawm nws nyob, koj paub, los ntawm qhov deb, tus poj niam uas paub zoo tshaj plaws dub hauv ntiaj teb. Yog li ntawd muaj cov ceg txheem ntseeg tseem ceeb hauv nws muaj peev xwm tswj tau nws zaj dab neeg raws li nws tau ua.
Thaum David Ritz sau nws zaj dab neeg, sau nrog nws cov ntawv sau cia hauv xyoo 1999, tau kawg lawv muaj qhov nto moo ntog, vim tias, koj paub, muaj qee qhov ntawm zaj dab neeg uas David Ritz xav qhia, thiab Aretha Franklin tsis kam ua. mus rau ntawm lub sijhawm ntawd. Peb paub txoj kev uas, piv txwv li, muaj ib tug amazing zaj duab xis ntawm lub Ua Tshav Ntuj Zoo kev hais kwv txhiaj, uas tau tua los ntawm Sydney Pollack lig, uas Aretha tsis tau tso cai tso tawm. Qee tus neeg yuav xav tias nws yog ib tug zoo diva, tab sis nws kuj yog hais txog kev ua kom nws tswj tau txoj kev uas peb yuav txhais nws cov keeb kwm. Thiab koj pom tias tiag tiag mus txog rau thaum nws tuag, txoj kev uas nws nqa nws mob dhau yim xyoo dhau los, uas tib neeg xav tias tej yam tab sis tsis paub tiag tiag, thiab peb pom tias mus txog thaum kawg, qhov twg nws yeej tswj cov lus piav qhia. hais txog yuav ua li cas nws yuav tuag thiab yuav ua li cas nws yuav nco ntsoov.
AMY GOODMAN: Farah Jasmine Griffin, yog tias koj tuaj yeem nthuav qhov no? Koj sau rau hauv koj daim, โQhov no yog qhov peb hnov โโhauv Aretha lub suab. Qhov tseeb. Nws yog ib lub suab uas muaj sab ntsuj plig thiab lub teb holler, lub suab quaj qw, txoj moo zoo qw, thiab jazz improvisation. Nws tsis yog txaj muag los yog coy. Nws yog sensually grounded thiab sab ntsuj plig transcendent thiab tag nrho tsis muaj contradiction. "
FARAH JASMINE GRIFFIN: Yog lawm. Kuv xav tias Aretha yog ib tug ntawm cov kws ua yeeb yam. Lawv tuaj nrog txhua txhua ib zaug, thiab lawv cov artistry embodies kab lig kev cai thiab keeb kwm. Thiab koj tuaj yeem hnov โโโโtxhua yam ntawm cov suab paj nruag zoo nkauj no tau yug los, tej zaum nrog lawv lub hauv paus hauv West Africa, tab sis yeej txhawb nqa hauv Tebchaws Meskas. Koj tuaj yeem hnov โโโโtxhua tus ntawm lawv hauv Aretha lub suab. Thiab tom qab ntawd, ua qhov zoo ntawm cov kws kos duab uas nws yog, nws muab qee yam tshiab. Koj paub, muaj keeb kwm, tab sis kuj tseem muaj qee yam tshiab, ib hom kev hais txog lub suab nyob ntawd.
Thiab lwm yam yog tias peb ua cov lus dag no ntawm kev sib deev, kev xav, kev xav ntawm sab ntsuj plig, thiab Aretha lub suab tsuas yog tsis kam lees cov dichotomies. Nws tsis kam pom lawv li kev tsis sib haum xeeb. Lawv txhua tus yog ib feem ntawm tib neeg, thiab peb hnov โโโโqhov ntawd hauv nws lub suab, thiab. Thiab kuv nyiam qhov tseeb tias nws yeej tsis sentimental. Nws tsis zoo. Nws zoo nkauj heev thiab ncaj ncees hauv kev xav uas nws hais nrog nws hu nkauj.
AMY GOODMAN: Thiab nws lub luag haujlwm hauv kev tsim tus ntsuj plig?
FARAH JASMINE GRIFFIN: Nws yog ib tug kws tsim txuj ci tseem ceeb ntawm tus ntsuj plig, nrog rau ib tug neeg zoo li Ray Charles, uas yog, koj paub, heev - kuj tseem yog lwm tus neeg tseem ceeb, hauv kev noj dab tsi lawv tau tawm ntawm pawg ntseeg - koj paub, Sam Cooke, thiab - lawv yog dab tsi. ' tau tawm ntawm lub tsev teev ntuj, txoj kev ntawd coj tus ntsuj plig mus thiab txav tib neeg, tiag tiag tsiv tib neeg mus rau qhov chaw ntawm kev tshaj tawm, thiab tom qab ntawd muab tso rau hauv cov suab paj nruag nrov. Thaum cov neeg tuaj saib dub tau paub txog qhov no, kuv xav tias ntau tus neeg tuaj saib tseem ceeb tsis yog. Thiab nws yog heev ntiaj teb-shattering. Nws yog ib tug thawj kws kes duab vajtse ntawm lub suab paj nruag peb los paub raws li tus ntsuj plig.
AMY GOODMAN: Koj puas tau ntsib Aretha Franklin?
FARAH JASMINE GRIFFIN: kuv ua. Kuv muaj cib fim ntsib nws๏ปฟโKuv yuav tsum hais, lub meej mom thiab muaj cai. Kuv tau mus rau ib qho kev hais kwv txhiaj ntawm kev caw ntawm ib tug phooj ywg, Michael Eric Dyson. Thiab tom qab ntawd, Xib Fwb Dyson yog ib tug phooj ywg ze ntawm Ms. Franklin, yog li nws coj kuv rov qab los. Kuv tus txiv nyob ntawd. Kuv xav tias Reverend Jesse Jackson nyob ntawd. Nws yog hmo ua ntej Whitney Houston lub ntees tuag, uas yog vim li cas kuv nco tau zoo heev. Thiab nws tau meej mom. Thiab kuv raug ntaus los ntawm nws txoj kev txo hwj chim. Thiab kuv raug ntaus los ntawm nws tsuas yog nyob ntsiag to, ntsiag to heev, understated elegance. Nws hnav khaub ncaws zoo, zoo li niam tsev teev ntuj, thiab zoo siab txais tos thiab txo hwj chim heev.
AMY GOODMAN: Kuv xav rov qab mus rau xyoo 1970. Aretha Franklin tau hais kom tso cai rau Angela Davis, uas tau raug kaw hauv qhov kev foob trumped. Thiab kuv xav nyeem los ntawm ib Dav hlau cov ntawv xov xwm los ntawm Lub Kaum Ob Hlis 3rd, 1970. Nws tau hais tias "Aretha Hais tias Nws Yuav Mus Angela Txoj Cai Yog Tso Cai." Hauv nws, Aretha Franklin tau hais tias, "Kuv txiv hais tias kuv tsis paub tias kuv ua dab tsi. Zoo, kuv hwm nws, tau kawg, tab sis kuv yuav ua raws li kuv txoj kev ntseeg. Angela Davis yuav tsum mus dawb. Cov neeg dub yuav dawb. Kuv tau raug kaw (rau kev cuam tshuam kev thaj yeeb nyab xeeb hauv Detroit) thiab kuv paub tias koj yuav tsum cuam tshuam kev thaj yeeb nyab xeeb thaum koj tsis tuaj yeem tsis muaj kev thaj yeeb. Lub tsev kaw neeg yog ntuj txiag teb tsaus rau hauv. Kuv yuav pom nws dawb yog tias muaj kev ncaj ncees hauv peb lub tsev hais plaub, tsis yog vim kuv ntseeg kev ntseeg, tab sis vim nws yog poj niam Dub thiab nws xav tau kev ywj pheej rau cov neeg Dub. Kuv muaj nyiaj; Kuv tau txais los ntawm cov neeg Dub - lawv tau ua rau kuv muaj peev xwm muaj peev xwm - thiab kuv xav siv nws los pab peb cov neeg. " Cov lus ntawm Aretha Franklin. Nws tab tom tham txog tus xibfwb Angela Davis, uas koom nrog peb tam sim no los ntawm Martha's Vineyard.
Professor Davis, Angela, txais tos Kev ywj pheej tam sim no!
ANGELA DAVIS: Ua tsaug, Amy. Ua tsaug.
AMY GOODMAN: Zoo siab tau ntsib koj nrog peb. Koj tuaj yeem tham txog koj qhov kev xav rau hnub no, hnub tom qab peb kawm txog kev tuag ntawm Aretha Franklin, thiab nws txhais li cas rau koj?
ANGELA DAVIS: Zoo, tau kawg, hnub no yog ib hnub tu siab heev rau tib neeg thoob plaws lub tebchaws. Aretha yog ib feem tseem ceeb ntawm ntau tus neeg lub neej, suav nrog kuv tus kheej, thiab tsis yog vim nws tau tshaj tawm rau pej xeem qhia tias nws yuav them kuv cov nyiaj rov qab rau xyoo 1970. Tab sis tej zaum kuv yuav hais ob peb lo lus hais txog qhov ntawd, pib.
Thaum Aretha txiav txim siab los tuav lub rooj sib tham xov xwm tshaj tawm tias nws yuav them txog $ 250,000, uas niaj hnub no cov txiaj ntsig yuav yog kwv yees li ntawm lab-thiab-ib-ib-ib-las, nws yog qhov tseem ceeb hauv kev sib tw. Thiab kuv ntseeg tias ntau tus neeg uas tsis kam koom nrog lawv tus kheej nrog kuv vim yog kuv txoj kev koom nrog pawg ntseeg tej zaum tau koom nrog kev sib tw los ntawm Aretha cov lus.
Thaum kuv yog tiag tiagโthaum kuv tau txais kev tso cai, hmoov tsis, Aretha tau tawm hauv lub tebchaws. Nws nyob hauv Caribbean. Thiab thaum lub sijhawm ntawd, ua ntej qhov tshwm sim ntawm kev lag luam thoob ntiaj teb, cov nyiaj tsis tau yooj yim hla hla teb chaws ciam teb, thiab yog li ntawd, [tsis hnov] lwm qhov, ib tug neeg ua liaj ua teb dawb los ntawm Central California uas tau pom zoo tso nws cov liaj teb.
Tab sis qhov ntawd yog lub sijhawm txav mus los. Nws yog lub sijhawm uas kev sib tw rau kuv txoj kev ywj pheej tau ua tiav qhov xwm txheej tiag tiag ntawm cov neeg hauv lub tebchaws no, thiab tej zaum thoob plaws ntiaj teb, thiab. Kuv yuav ua tsaug rau Aretha mus ib txhis, vim kuv xav tias nws tau ua lub luag haujlwm tseem ceeb hauv-ntawm kev ua tiav ntawm kev sib tw.
AMY GOODMAN: Tam sim no, koj yeej tsis tau ntsib Aretha Franklin, koj puas yog?
ANGELA DAVIS: Zoo, Kuv xav tias kuv tau ntsib nws, tab sis kuv-vim kuv xav tias nws yog ib feem ntawm kuv keeb kwm. Thiab nws cov suab paj nruag yog ib feem ntawm thiab tseem yog ib feem ntawm kuv tus kheej lub neej, nrog rau kuv lub neej ua ke. Tab sis kuv yeej tsis tau ntsib nws ntawm tus kheej.
AMY GOODMAN: Koj puas tuaj yeem piav qhia qhov xwm txheej thaum lub sijhawm ntawd, ua li cas rau koj? Uas kuj tham txog leej twg Aretha Franklin yog, uas nws tawm los heev heev thiab, yog li nthuav, tham txog qhov tseeb hais tias nws raug pov rau hauv lub kaus poom. Nws raug kaw hauv nws lub nroog Detroit.
ANGELA DAVIS: Yog lawm, kiag li. Raws li koj tau taw qhia, nws tau hais tias nws twb raug kaw vim kev cuam tshuam kev thaj yeeb. Thiab zoo li nws pom tau hais tias nws yuav tsim nyog los cuam tshuam kev thaj yeeb nyab xeeb ntxiv me ntsis. Tab sis, qhov tseeb, qhov tseeb tias kuv yog ib tug tswv cuab ntawm Pawg Neeg Communist lub sijhawm ntawd ua rau ntau tus neeg tsis kam muab kev txhawb nqa rau pej xeem, vim lawv xav tias lawv yuav cuam tshuam nrog kev coj noj coj ua, thiab yog li ntawd tej zaum yuav ua rau lawv tus kheej muaj kev phom sij.
Kuv raug foob nrog kev tua neeg, nyiag thiab kev koom tes - peb lub peev nyiaj. Thiab thaum lub sijhawm Aretha tau hais cov lus no, kuv yeej tsis tsim nyog tau txais kev tso cai, vim tias kev ua txhaum cai peev tsis muaj peev xwm them taus. Raws li nws tau tshwm sim, Lub Tsev Hais Plaub Siab Tshaj Plaws ntawm California tau tshem tawm, yam tsawg kawg ib ntus, lub txim tuag hauv California, uas txhais tau tias luv luv thaum kuv tau txais kev tso cai. Kuv yog ib tug ntawm ob peb tus neeg uas tau raug tso tawm tiag tiag, vim tias tsis pub dhau ob peb hnub Lub Tsev Hais Plaub Siab tau hloov kho nws qhov kev txiav txim siab los ntawm kev qhia tias txhua qhov kev ua txhaum cai yav dhau los yuav tsis raug them nyiaj.
AMY GOODMAN: Thiab koj tau nyob ntawm no hauv New York, txoj cai? Tsis deb ntawm lub studios ntawm Kev ywj pheej tam sim no! Thiab California tab tom nrhiav koj tus neeg xa xov liaison. Koj tab tom tos kev xa mus rau San Rafael, California.
ANGELA DAVIS: Zoo, ua tau, yog. Kuv tau nyob hauv tsev loj cuj ntawm Cov Poj Niam Lub Tsev ntawm Kev Tiv Thaiv hauv Greenwich Village hauv New York. Tab sis kuv muaj, lub sijhawm ntawd, twb raug xa mus lawm. Kuv nyob hauv tsev kaw neeg hauv Palo Alto. Kuv tau ua - nws yog ib zaj dab neeg ntev. Kuv tau raug xa mus rau Marin County, thiab tom qab ntawd peb tau txais kev hloov chaw mus rau Santa Clara County. Yog li, thaum kuv raug tso tawm tiag tiag, nws yog los ntawm lub tsev kaw neeg hauv Palo Alto.
AMY GOODMAN: Peb tab tom siv sijhawm rau lub neej, suab paj nruag, kev txawj ntse, kev ua haujlwm ntawm Aretha Franklin. Nws hu nkauj ntawm peb lub rooj sib tham thawj tswj hwm: lub rooj sib tham ua ntej ntawm Thawj Tswj Hwm Carter, lub rooj sib tham ntawm Thawj Tswj Hwm Clinton thiab lub rooj sib tham ntawm Thawj Tswj Hwm Obama. Thiab qhov ntawd yog qhov uas peb yuav mus tam sim no. Qhov no yog Aretha Franklin hu nkauj "Kuv Lub Tebchaws, 'Tis ntawm Koj" ntawm Thawj Tswj Hwm Obama thawj zaug pib, Lub Ib Hlis 20, 2009.
ARETHA Franklin: [singing] Kuv lub teb chaws, yog koj,
Qab zib thaj av ntawm kev ywj pheej,
Kuv hu nkauj ntawm koj;
Av qhov twg kuv txiv tuag,
Lub teb chaws ntawm lub pilgrims 'pride,
Los ntawm ev'ry, ev'ry roob
Cia kev ywj pheej - kev ywj pheej, kev ywj pheej nplhaib!
Peb cov yawg koob tus Vajtswv rau koj,
Txiv, txiv ntawm kev ywj pheej,
Rau koj peb hu nkauj.
Ntev ntev peb lub tebchaws yuav kaj,
Nrog kev ywj pheej lub teeb dawb huv,
Tiv thaiv, tiv thaiv, tiv thaiv,
Tiv thaiv peb nrog tag nrho koj lub zog,
Cia dawb-kev ywj pheej nplhaib!
Cia, cia, cia dawb-cia nws nrov!
Cia nws, cia nws nrov!
Cia nws nrov!
Los ntawm cov av liab ntawm Georgia
Cia nws nrov!
Auj, cia nws hu rau saum ntuj ceeb tsheej khoom qab zib roob
Cia nws nrov!
Cia nws nrov!
Cia nws nrov!
Cia nws, cia nws, cia nws, cia nws, cia nws, cia nws
Cia nws nrov!
Cia nws nrov!
Cia nws nrov!
AMY GOODMAN: Aretha Franklin, hu nkauj ntawm Thawj Tswj Hwm Barack Obama, hu nkauj ua ntej cov neeg tuaj saib coob tshaj plaws los ua tim khawv rau US inauguration. Qhov no yog Kev ywj pheej tam sim no!, Democratnow.org. Kuv yog Amy Goodman. Peb cov qhua yog Angela Davisโthiab, Angela, Kuv tsuas yog xav nug koj, ntawm no nws hu nkauj, "Kuv lub tebchaws, 'tis ntawm koj, thaj av qab zib ntawm kev ywj pheej." Qhov no yog tib tug poj niam uas, ntau xyoo dhau los, tau hais tias nws yuav tso cai rau koj, xa ntawv tso cai rau koj raws li ib tug poj niam dub uas yuav tsum tau sawv ntsug. Qab zib thaj av ntawm kev ywj pheej. Koj txoj kev xav?
ANGELA DAVIS: Zoo, tau kawg, [inaudible] lub ntsiab lus nws muab rau zaj nkauj nws hu tau coj peb mus rau lwm qhov. Thiab yog li, kuv pom ib lub ntsiab lus utopian hauv qhov ntawd. Nws tsis tas yuav hais tias qhov no yog thaj av ntawm kev ywj pheej, tab sis qhov ntawd peb yuav tsum tau nyob hauv thaj av ntawm kev ywj pheej. Kuv xav tias nws yog ib qho tseem ceeb heev, ua ntej ntawm tag nrho cov, tsis yog literal; Qhov thib ob ntawm tag nrho cov, kom paub meej tias tib neeg tuaj yeem pab txhawb rau kev tawm tsam kev nom kev tswv los ntawm kev txhawb kev nco qab ntawm cov zej zog, ntawm kev sib koom ua ke. Thiab kuv xav tias Aretha ib txwm tsim cov zej zog zoo li no los ntawm nws txoj kev hu nkauj. Thiab kuv txaus siab tshwj xeeb rau txoj hauv kev uas nws tau coj tus poj niam txoj kev xav, ua ntej qhov tshwm sim ntawm feminism dub, rau peb lub siab nrog "Kev hwm" thiab, ntawm chav kawm, nrog "Cov viv ncaus Ua Nws rau lawv tus kheej," lub duet nws ua. nrog Annie Lennox. Kuv xav tias nws txoj kev koom tes rau kev tsim ib hom kev xav rau kev ywj pheej, ib txoj hauv kev uas nws tau pab tsim cov zej zog - ib tug yuav hais tias, cov zej zog zoo nkauj ntawm kev tawm tsam - yog qhov tseem ceeb heev.
AMY GOODMAN: Angela Davis, koj yog tus sau Blues Legacies thiab Black Feminism: Gertrude "Ma" Rainey, Bessie Smith, thiab Billie Nyiaj so koobtsheej. Koj pom Aretha Franklin qhov kev koom tes rau keeb kwm suab paj nruag li cas? Koj hnov โโโโcov poj niam dub qhia li cas hauv nws lub suab paj nruag?
ANGELA DAVIS: Zoo, koj paub, muaj tseeb, Aretha cov kev koom tes yog qhov tseem ceeb. Thiab raws li Mark Anthony Neal thiab kuv tus phooj ywg Farah Griffin twb tau hais lus zoo heev thaum koj qhov kev zov me nyuam, Aretha yog qhov kev tshwm sim zoo tshaj plaws ntawm tus ntsuj plig. Thiab qhov ntawd txhais tau hais tias nws lub suab paj nruag tau pab tsim cov zej zog, pab ua kom peb xav tias yog ib feem ntawm qee yam loj dua peb tus kheej. Thiab nyob rau hauv qhov kev nkag siab ntawd, kuv xav tias nws ua raws li kev coj noj coj ua ntawm cov poj niam zoo nkauj ntawm xyoo 1920 thiab 1930s, koj paub, Billie Nyiaj so koobtsheej tom qab ntawd. Peb keeb kwm dhau xyoo dhau los yog qhov xav tsis thoob uas tsis muaj lub suab zoo ntawm Aretha Franklin.
AMY GOODMAN: Aretha Franklin tso ntau tshaj ib puas singles nyob rau hauv Billboard kab kos, suav nrog 17 sab saum toj-10 pop singles, 20 tus naj npawb ib R&B hits. Nws tau txais 18 qhov kev sib tw Grammys, nrog rau Lub Neej Ua Tau Zoo Tshaj Plaws hauv xyoo 1994, thawj tus poj niam dub tau raug coj mus rau hauv Pob Zeb thiab Roll Hall of Fame. Mark Anthony Neal, koj tau hais tias yog nws tsis tau dub, nws yuav muaj, huag, muaj lub cev zoo ib yam li Barbra Streisand, txawm tias ntau tus yuav hais tias nws yeej ua tau, thiab tej zaum dhau mus, tau kawg. Tab sis tham txog vim li cas koj ua qhov kev sib piv.
KEV KAWG TXHUA LEEJ NEAL: Koj paub, Aretha thiab Barbra Streisand yog ob leeg ntawm Columbia Cov Ntaub Ntawv thaum xyoo 1960s. Aretha tiag tiag npog lossis sau cov ntawv "Cov Neeg" tib lub xyoo uas Barbra Streisand ua. Kuv xav tias daim ntawv teev npe tsis nkag siab tias yuav ua li cas nrog Aretha Franklin. Ntawm qhov tod tes, lawv tsis paub yuav ua li cas nrog txoj moo zoo lub hwj chim uas yog ib feem ntawm nws cov suab paj nruag.
Tab sis thaum kuv tham txog qhov kev sib piv rau nws thiab Barbra Streisand, Barbra Streisand tuaj yeem muaj txoj haujlwm uas nws tuaj yeem xav txog nws tus kheej ntau dua li tsuas yog ib tus kws sau ntawv hauv studio. Nws tuaj yeem xav txog nws tus kheej ntawm theem Broadway. Nws tuaj yeem xav txog nws tus kheej ua yeeb yaj kiab. Aretha Franklin tsis muaj cov sijhawm zoo li no qhib rau nws, vim qhov tseeb, nws yog ib tug poj niam dub hauv kev lag luam kaw lub sijhawm ntawd. Hauv qee txoj hauv kev, qhov nce siab uas peb tau pom ntawm Beyoncรฉ dhau kaum xyoo dhau los ua ntau hom kev coj noj coj ua ntawm ntau lub platform yog qhov ua tiav tag nrho ntawm cov sijhawm uas Aretha Franklin tau pab tsim rau ntau tiam neeg ntawm cov neeg ua yeeb yam uas tuaj tom qab. nws.
AMY GOODMAN: Qhov tseem ceeb ntawm Aretha Franklin raug kaw hauv Detroit? Koj puas paub zaj dab neeg ntawd, Mark Anthony Neal?
KEV KAWG TXHUA LEEJ NEAL: kuv tsis ua. Kuv tau hnov โโnws thawj zaug, zoo li peb txhua tus nyuam qhuav hnov โโnws ob peb feeb dhau los tham txog nws. Tab sis, tau kawg, muaj keeb kwm loj dua, koj paub, tau kawg, ntawm New Bethel. New Bethel, uas yog ib qho tseem ceeb rau lub Peb Hlis Ntuj ntawm Kev ywj pheej uas tau ua thaum Lub Rau Hli 1963, thaum Martin Luther King thawj zaug qhia nws cov lus "Kuv Muaj Npau Suav", yam tsawg kawg yog ib qho ua ntej ntawm nws. Yog li, kuv tuaj yeem xav txog, thaum ib tug hluas loj hlob hauv Detroit, muab qhov Detroit yog dab tsi, tej zaum yuav muaj ntau lub sijhawm rau Aretha Franklin los cuam tshuam kev thaj yeeb nyab xeeb, yog tias koj xav tau.
AMY GOODMAN: Kuv xav tig mus rau Aretha Franklin tham txog NPR's tshiab Cua txog ib qho ntawm, zoo, nws cov nkauj nrov tshaj plaws, zaj nkauj peb pib nrog, "Kev hwm."
ARETHA Franklin: Nyob rau hauv lub sij hawm tom qab, nws tau khaws raws li kev sib ntaus sib tua quaj los ntawm pej xeem txoj cai txav. Tab sis thaum kuv kaw nws, nws zoo nkauj npaum li txiv neej / poj niam yam thiab ntau dua, hauv kev txiav txim siab, ntawm ib tus neeg mus rau lwm tus. "Kuv yuav muab kev hwm rau koj, thiab kuv xav kom muaj kev hwm rov qab, lossis kuv xav kom muaj kev hwm rov qab."
AMY GOODMAN: Cia peb rov qab mus rau Aretha Franklin hu nkauj "Kev hwm."
ARETHA Franklin: [singing] Qhov koj xav tau
Baby, Kuv tau txais nws
Koj xav tau dab tsi
Koj paub tias kuv tau txais
Txhua yam kuv nug '
Yog rau me ntsis kev hwm
Thaum koj mus txog tsev (me ntsis)
Me nyuam (tsuas yog me ntsis)
Thaum koj mus txog tsev (me ntsis)
Auj, tam sim no muaj tseeb (tsuas yog me ntsis)
Kuv yuav tsis ua koj yuam kev
Thaum koj mus
Tsis yog yuav ua koj yuam kev
kuv tsis xav
Txhua yam kuv nug '
Yog rau me ntsis kev hwm
Thaum koj mus txog tsev (me ntsis)
Me nyuam (tsuas yog me ntsis)
Thaum koj mus txog tsev (me ntsis)
Auj, yog, kuv ua tam sim no (tsuas yog me ntsis)
Kuv tab tom yuav muab rau koj
Tag nrho kuv cov nyiaj
Thiab txhua yam kuv nug '
Rov qab los, zib ntab
Yog muab kuv cov khoom rau kuv
Thaum koj mus txog tsev (tsuas yog ib, tsuas yog ib, tsuas yog ib, xwb)
Auj, yog (tsuas yog ib, tsuas yog ib, tsuas yog ib, xwb)
Thaum koj mus txog tsev (me ntsis)
Qhov kuv xav tau (tsuas yog me ntsis)
AMY GOODMAN: Aretha Franklin, hu nkauj nyob rau ntawm "Kev hwm." Aretha Franklin, uas tau tuag lub lim tiam no thaum muaj hnub nyoog 76 xyoo hauv tsev kho mob hauv Detroit. Angela Davis, thaum koj mloog nws hu nkauj "Kev hwm," lub sijhawm no, nyob rau hauv lub sijhawm ntawm Trump, thaum nws tham txog tej zaum yuav raug kaw tib tus neeg laus dub hauv Tsev Dawb, uas nyuam qhuav raug rho tawm haujlwm, Omarosa, thaum nws tham txog. nws siv N-lo lus, koj xav txog dab tsi, tam sim no, zoo, Aretha Franklin yuav hais lossis hu nkauj txog lub sijhawm no?
ANGELA DAVIS: Zoo, muaj tseeb, qhov no yog lub sijhawm uas peb yuav tsum kos cov lus cog tseg yav dhau los, koj paub, muab qhov xwm txheej uas tshwm sim los ntawm kev xaiv tsa ntawm Donald Trump. Thaum nws tau qhia tias nws xav txav lub tebchaws rov qab los, peb yuav tsum nco ntsoov. Peb yuav tsum nco ntsoov tias nws zoo li cas thaum Aretha hu nkauj "Kuv Lub Tebchaws, 'Tis ntawm Koj" thaum thawj thawj zaug ntawm Barack Obama. Thiab kuv xav tias, koj paub, suab paj nruag tso cai rau peb nco ntsoov cov lus cog tseg thiab paub tias cov lus cog tseg tuaj yeem dhau los ua cov txheej txheem ntawm kev tawm tsam tam sim no thiab yav tom ntej. Aretha yuav ua rau peb lub siab xav hloov pauv mus ib txhis. Thiab Donald Trump tsis tuaj yeem ua dab tsi txog qhov ntawd.
AMY GOODMAN: Zoo, peb yuav xaus rau ntawd. Kuv xav ua tsaug rau nej txhua tus uas tau siv hnub no nco txog Aretha Franklin. Angela Davis, tus sau, tus xibfwb thiab tus neeg ua haujlwm ntawm University of California, Santa Cruz. Ib zaug ntxiv, lub ntsiab lus ntawd, Dav hlau phau ntawv xov xwm, rov qab mus rau kaum xyoo, "Aretha Hais tias Nws Yuav Mus Angela Daim Ntawv Cog Lus Yog Tso Cai," muab them, txawm tias nws yog $ 100,000 lossis $ 250,000, kom tso Angela Davis. Farah Jasmine Griffin, tus xibfwb ntawm Askiv thiab cov ntaub ntawv sib piv thiab African-American kev tshawb fawb ntawm Columbia University, ntawm nws phau ntawv, Yog tias Koj Tsis Muaj Peev Xwm Dawb, Ua Qhov Tsis Paub: Hauv Kev Tshawb Nrhiav Billie Hnub So. Thiab Mark Anthony Neal, tus xibfwb ntawm Duke University, tus sau ntau phau ntawv.
ZNetwork tau txais nyiaj tsuas yog los ntawm kev ua siab zoo ntawm nws cov neeg nyeem.
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