U-Al Jazeera ukhuluma noHoward Zinn, umbhali, isazi-mlando saseMelika, umgxeki wezenhlalo kanye nesishoshovu, mayelana nendlela
Q: Ikuphi
HZ:
Ngokusobala, kusukela impi yase-Iraq, umhlaba wonke uwile e-United States, futhi uma inqubomgomo yezangaphandle yaseMelika iqhubeka ngendlela ebiye ngayo - lokho kunolaka nobudlova nokunganaki imizwa nemicabango yabanye abantu - khona-ke ithonya le-United States lizokwehla kakhulu.
Lona umbuso ngakolunye uhlangothi ongumbuso onamandla kunayo yonke eyake yaba khona; ngakolunye uhlangothi umbuso obhidlikayo - umbuso ongenalo ikusasa ... ngenxa yokuthi umhlaba wonke uhlukanisiwe futhi ngenxa yokuthi lo mbuso unzima kakhulu ngokuzibophezela kwezempi, onezisekelo emhlabeni jikelele, ngokukhathala kwawo. izinsiza ekhaya.
[Lokhu] kuholela ekunganeliseki okwengeziwe nasekhaya, ngakho ngicabanga ukuthi umbuso waseMelika uzohamba ngendlela yeminye imibuso futhi ngicabanga ukuthi usendleleni manje.
Q: Ingabe likhona ithemba
HZ: Uma likhona ithemba, ithemba lilele kubantu baseMelika. [Kukhona] ukuthi abantu baseMelika bacasuke ngokwanele futhi bacasuke ngokwanele ngokwenzeke ezweni labo, ngenxa yokulahlekelwa isithunzi emhlabeni, ngenxa yokulamba kwezinsiza zabantu e-United States, ukubulawa yindlala kwemfundo nempilo, ukuthathwa kwempahla. yezombangazwe ngamandla ezinkampani kanye nomphumela walokhu ezimpilweni zansuku zonke zabantu baseMelika.
[Kukhona futhi] amanani okudla akhuphukayo naphezulu, ukwanda kokungavikeleki, ukuthunyelwa kwabantu abasha empini.
Ngicabanga ukuthi konke lokhu kungase kwakheke kube umnyakazo wokuhlubuka.
Sikubonile umnyakazo wokuvukela esikhathini esedlule: Inhlangano yabasebenzi, inhlangano yamalungelo abantu, inhlangano emelene nempi
Ngicabanga ukuthi singabona kahle, uma
Q: Kwenze kanjani
HZ: Nokho, sifinyelele kuleli qophelo ngoba ... Ngicabanga ukuthi abantu baseMelika bakuvumele ukuthi kufinyelele kuleli qophelo ngoba babenele abantu baseMelika ababenelisekile ngezimpilo zabo, kwanele nje.
Yiqiniso, abantu baseMelika abaningi bebengavoti, yingakho ingxenye yabantu ingavoti, ihlukanisiwe.
Kodwa kukhona abantu baseMelika abanele abanelisekile, ungase uthi ukuthola ezinye ze "goodies" zombuso, ezinye zazo, abantu abanele ngokwanele ukusekela uhlelo, ngakho-ke sathola ngale ndlela ngenxa yekhono uhlelo lokuzinakekela ngokwanelisa nje inani labantu ukuze ligcine ukuba semthethweni kwalo.
Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi leso sikhathi siyaphela.
Q: Yini okufanele umhlaba ukwazi ngayo
HZ: Engikutholayo abantu abaningi emhlabeni wonke ukuthi kukhona abaphikisayo
Abakuqondi okuyisisekelo kokungabi nentando yeningi kwenqubo yezepolitiki yaseMelika lapho wonke amandla egxile emaqenjini amabili angekude kakhulu kwelinye futhi abantu abakwazi ukuhlukanisa kalula.
Ngakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi sisesimweni lapho sizodinga izinguquko ezibaluleke kakhulu emphakathini waseMelika uma abantu baseMelika ekugcineni beneliseka ngohlobo lomphakathi esinawo.
Q: Ucabanga ukuthi
HZ: Hhayi-ke, ngiyethemba uhlelo lokululama. Ngisho ukuthi kuze kube manje asikayiboni.
Ubuze ukuthi yini abantu bomhlaba wonke abangayazi
Bekulokhu kukhona ukuphikisa, kepha ukuphikiswa bekulokhu kuchotshozwa noma kuthulisiwe, kugcinwe emthunzini, kukhishwe inyumbazane ukuze amazwi abo angezwakali.
Abantu emhlabeni wonke bayawezwa amazwi abaholi baseMelika.
Abawezwa amazwi abantu ezweni lonke abangathandi abaholi baseMelika abafuna imigomo eyahlukene.
Ngicabanga futhi, abantu emhlabeni wonke kufanele bazi lokho abakubonayo
Ngicabanga ... abantu abaningi emhlabeni bacabanga ukuthi le mpi iphakathi
Akukaze kube amandla amahle, kusukela ekuqaleni, kusukela ekuVukeleni umbuso kwaseMelika, kusukela ekuthatheni izwe lamaNdiya, kusukela empini yaseMexico, impi yaseSpain-America.
Kungamahloni ukusho, kodwa sinomlando omude kuleli zwe lokwanda kodlame futhi ngicabanga ukuthi abantu abaningi bakwamanye amazwe abakwazi lokhu kuphela, iningi labantu baseMelika alikwazi lokhu.
Umbuzo: Ingabe ikhona indlela yokuthi lokhu kuthuthuke?
HZ: Uyazi, noma yiliphi ithemba elikhona kuleso sibalo esikhulu sabantu baseMelika abahloniphekile, abangafuni ukuya empini, abangafuni ukubulala abanye abantu.
Kunzima ukulibona lelo themba ngoba laba baseMelika abazizwa ngaleyo ndlela bavaliwe ohlelweni lwezokuxhumana, ngakho amazwi abo awazwakali, awabonwa kumabonakude, kodwa akhona.
Sengidlule kukho, empilweni yami, inqwaba yezinhlangano zomphakathi futhi ngibonile ukuthi ekuqaleni kwalezi zinhlangano zomphakathi noma ngaphambi nje kokuba lezi zinhlangano zokuxhumana zithuthuke, bekungabonakali likhona ithemba.
Ngangihlala [
Futhi lapho abantu behlela, futhi lapho abantu beqala ukwenza, lapho abantu beqala ukusebenza ndawonye, โโabantu baqala ukuzifaka engozini, abantu baqala ukuphikisa ukusungulwa, abantu baqala ukwenza ukungalaleli komphakathi.
Hhayi-ke, lelo themba labonakala ... laphenduka ushintsho.
Q: Ucabanga ukuthi ikhona indlela yokuphuma kulokhu kanye nethonya lekusasa le-
HZ: Yebo, uyazi
[Kumelwe futhi] ibe nozwela ezidingweni zabantu bakwezinye izingxenye zomhlaba, izwele ngokwanele ukwazi ukuthi izinsiza zaseMelika, esikhundleni sokunikelwa empini, kufanele zinikelwe ekusizeni abantu abahluphekayo.
Ninokuzamazama komhlaba nezinhlekelele zemvelo emhlabeni wonke, kodwa abantu abakulo
Izinhlekelele zemvelo lapha [nazo] zilethe ukusabela okuhle okuncane - bheka [Isiphepho] uKatrina.
Abantu bakuleli, abantu abampofu ikakhulukazi kanye nabantu bebala ikakhulukazi, bebeyizisulu zamandla aseMelika njengabakwamanye amazwe.
Q: Ungakwazi yini ukusinika ububanzi bayo yonke into esikhulume ngayo - amandla kanye nomthelela we-
HZ: Amandla kanye nomthelela we-
Ngakho i
Noma ngabe umshini wezempi unamandla kangakanani, amandla awancikile emshinini wezempi. Ngakho amandla ayancipha.
Ekugcineni amandla ancike ekubeni semthethweni kokuziphatha kohlelo kanye
Ithemba lami ukuthi abantu baseMelika bazovuka baziguqule lesi simo, ukuze kuzuze bona futhi kuzuze umhlaba wonke.
[U-Howard Zinn ungumbhali we, ikakhulukazi, Umlando Wabantu we
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