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Njengoko ndibhale mva nje, uTrump unokuba yi-buffoon, kodwa amandla asemva kwakhe anzulu. UTrump usenokuba uhambile, ubuncinci okwangoku, kodwa uphuhliso oluninzi luqhuba icandelo le-elites laseMelika lisingise kwilizwe elinyanzelisayo nelinobuhlanga.
Eli candelo le-elite liye lanyuka ngenxa yokuba "i-liberal American capitalism" ayinazisombululo. Ukuba bekungengenxa yobhubhane, uTrump ngenokuthi abuyele kwi-White House. Ngaphandle kokuphatha kakubi ubhubhane, usafumana iivoti ezizigidi ezingama-70. Imigaqo-nkqubo yezoqoqosho ka-Obama yayithanda iWall Street kwaye yavelisa ukungalingani kwengeniso enkulu. Ukuphelelwa lithemba kunye nonxunguphalo kwadala iimeko zokuqinisa iingcamango zobuFasi nezobuhlanga kumacandelo abasebenzi kunye namahlwempu asemaphandleni. Yalima umhlaba kuTrump.
Abantu, ngakumbi emaphandleni aseMelika, baye baphelelwa lukholo kumaziko emveli asemva kwemfazwe yaseMelika, kwaye iinkolo zevangeli kunye nezamagcino ziyaba namandla. Ubuncinci i-60 yepesenti yevoti kaTrump ivela kubantu bonqulo kakhulu. Aba bantu baphulukene neembono zabo, njengoko benzile abantu abaninzi belizwe, kunye nabadlali abavela ngasekunene, ukusuka kuTrump ukuya kuTucker Carlson, bakhupha isikhundla esichasene ne-elitist. Ndicinga ukuba ukuba abaqhubela phambili abafundi indlela yokuthetha nabantu bokholo lwenkolo, abanako ukuphumelela eli dabi.
I-oligarchy iyothuswa yimpumelelo yephulo likaSanders kunye namaza okuqhubela phambili anyulelwe kwiofisi. Boyika ukonyuka kwenkxaso yoluntu kwizisombululo zoluntu ezifana ne-Medicare for All, iibhanki ezizezabantu bonke, ulawulo lwamapolisa abahlali, kunye nokuqonda okukhulayo ukuba uhlobo oluthile lobusoshiyali luyindlela esebenzayo. Ukuba uBiden uyaqhubeka nemigaqo-nkqubo yezoqoqosho ye-Clinton / Obama-era, uya kumisela itafile ngoguqulelo oluyingozi ngakumbi lukaTrump ngo-2024 okanye mhlawumbi uTrump ngokwakhe kwakhona.
Ingxaki yemozulu yenza konke oku kungxamiseke ngakumbi. Asinalo ixesha lokulalanisa kunye nokufikelela kwizisombululo ezinqamlezayo. Ndithe, votela i-Biden ngaphandle kokukhohlisa, kuba iya kuba yintsimi engcono yokulwa imikhosi eqhubekayo. Ewe, inqanaba elilandelayo lomlo sele liqalile.
Ngoku ukujoyina kwethu nguMat Taibbi. UMatt yintatheli ephandayo ephumelele ibhaso, unyana wentatheli kamabonwakude kunye negqwetha. UTaibbi wakhula ebathanda ababhali baseRashiya, nto leyo eyakhokelela ekubeni achithe ixesha elininzi lobomi bakhe obudala kwindawo eyayisakuba yiSoviet Union. UTaibbi wabuyela e-US ngo-2002 kwaye kungekudala waqala ukusebenza njengomhleli onikelayo Stone Rolling. at Stone Rolling. UTaibbi uphumelele iMbasa yeSizwe yeMagazini yeeKholamu kunye neNgxelo, kwaye waziwa kakhulu ngokugubungela amaphulo onyulo kamongameli amane, ingxaki yezemali ye-2008, kunye nenkqubo yobulungisa bolwaphulo-mthetho. Ubhale iincwadi ezisibhozo, kuquka ezine ENew York Times ezithengiswa kakhulu: Ingxaki enkulu, I-Griftopia, Ukwahlulahlula, yaye Umongameli we-Clown ophambeneyo. Incwadi yakhe, Andikwazi Ukuphefumla, malunga nokuBulala kwamapolisa kuka-Eric Garner, kwathiwa yenye yeencwadi ezilishumi ezigqwesileyo zonyaka ngu IWashington Post.
Enkosi ngokuzimanya nathi.
UMat Taibbi
Enkosi ngokuba nam.
UPaul Jay
Ke, ndifuna ukugrumba kwinqaku obhale ngalo mva nje, uyazi, leliphi iqela eliza kuthi lizibiza ngokuba liqela labasebenzi. Andiqondi ukuba iQela leDemokhrasi lakha laba liqela labasebenzi, kodwa abantu abaninzi babecinga ukuba lilo. Kodwa uphi namhlanje? UBiden ngoku uzakuba ngumongameli. Ubenentetho yakhe apho wabhengeza ukuba uTrump akanikezelanga, kodwa uninzi lweqela leRiphabhlikhi libonakala ngathi liyamxhasa apha.
Ke ngoku, uziva njani ngale nto? Kwaye ke siya kukhemba ngakumbi kwinqaku lakho.
UMat Taibbi
Ndicinga ukuba eli lixesha eliyingozi kwiiDemokhrasi kuba ndicinga ukuba bazakuthatha uloyiso lukaBiden njengokuqinisekiswa kwaso sonke isicwangciso sabo semijikelo emibini yokugqibela yolonyulo, kanti, enyanisweni, uyazi, kube yintlekele ngokwenene. Baphulukana noTrump ngo-2016, ngohlobo olungaqondakaliyo, kwaye baphantse baphulukana naye ngeli xesha. Kwaye bafumana ilahleko kwiNdlu, kwaye abazange bayiphumelele i-Senate.
Uyazi, iiDemokhrasi ziye zaba yinxalenye yodidi oluphezulu, iqela labantu bonke. Abantu abangaphandle kwezixeko abavoti nje ngeDemokhrasi. Litheko labantu abafundileyo ekholejini kwaye banemisebenzi yobungcali. Abantu abasebenza ngakumbi kunye nabasemaphandleni, nangona bengenako uvakalelo lweklasi, kunokwenzeka ukuba bawele kwinkampu yeTrump. Ke, ndicinga ukuba ngabavoti abahlulelene kakhulu apho okwangoku ungaphantse uxelele ukuba ngubani oza kuvotela ukuba ngowuphi umgqatswa ngokusekelwe kwindawo okuyo elizweni, kwaye uyayazi imvelaphi yaloo mntu. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba luphawu olukhathazayo kwiiDemokhrasi, kuba ndicinga ukuba abaqondi. Kodwa ndicinga ukuba baphulukene nabantu abangabasebenzi.
UPaul Jay
Ewe, ngokuqinisekileyo balahlekile zasemaphandleni abantu abasebenzayo.
UMat Taibbi
Ewe.
UPaul Jay
Abasebenzi basezidolophini, ndicinga ukuba basavotela iiDemokhrasi, nangona ndingathi kulo lonyulo, abasebenzi basezidolophini bavotele iTrump. Andazi ukuba bavote kangakanani kuba Biden.
UMat Taibbi
Kunjalo, kodwa nalapho, kwabakho ukutyibilika. Le yeyona nto ibalulekileyo kwiidemokhrasi.
UPaul Jay
Ngoku, bakwesi sikhundla siyingozi, iiDemokhrasi zeshishini. Ndicinga ukuba omabini amaqela axhomekeke kwimali kunye ne-activist yezigidigidi. Uninzi lwevoti kaTrump luyinkolo kangangokuba akufuneki afezekise izithembiso zoqoqosho. Kufuneka nje afezekise izithembiso ezingundoqo zexabiso lenkolo, kwaye bayamxolela ngokungafezekisi izinto zoqoqosho, kanti abasebenzi basezidolophini ngokwenene. ufunainto kwaye bayaphoxeka. Ke, eneneni, uninzi lwabantu basezidolophini [abasebenzayo] bajikela kwiSanders kwindawo yokuqala. Kwaye iiDemokhrasi ezidibeneyo ngandlela thile ziphakathi kwelitye kunye nendawo enzima: njengokuthi, [ukuba] sichasa imali, [ke] amaSanders azuze amandla, imikhosi yamaTrumpist ifumana amandla. Kodwa abanakho ukukhetha ngaphandle kokuxhomekeka kwimali kuba bayiyo.
UMat Taibbi
Kunene. Iqhinga elalivuleleke kubo yayikukumkela uhlobo oluthile lwayo nayiphi na into eyenziwa nguBernie Sanders. Kwaye ukuba babekwenzile oko-kwaye ukuba baye bakwenza oko besebenzisa sonke isakhono se-PR abaye babonisa kwiminyaka edlulileyo ekuthengiseni abantu abafana noBarack Obama - ndicinga ukuba baya kuphumelela ekuhambeni. Uyazi, ukuba bebenomyalezo othile owenziwe ngohlobo โlodidi lwabasebenziโ labavoti.
Kodwa abazange bayenze loo nto. Bangena kwelinye icala. Kwaye babacinezela bobabini uSanders kunye nohlobo lwefaksi kaSanders, uElizabeth Warren, endicinga ukuba wayebaleka njengebhulorho phakathi kwezi ntlobo zimbini zeDemokhrasi. Kwaye ke, bagqiba ekubeni babaleke kwiqonga elinye ababebaleka kulo ngo-2016. Kwaye badlula emgceni ngokusisiseko ngenxa yobhubhane. Uyazi, ndiyathetha, ndicinga ukuba abaphumelelanga nangasiphi na isizathu [esinye]. Babenenzame entle yokujika. Kwaye impumelelo yolungiselelo yayibalulekile. Kodwa ngokwezopolitiko, abazange benze naluphi na utshintsho. Ke, ewe, bahamba ngendlela ephakathi kweSanders kunye neTrump ngempumelelo ukuya kwelinye icala. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba bayakuvuyela oko. Kodwa ndicinga ukuba alibonakalisi kakubi ikamva labo.
UPaul Jay
Ewe, ndiyavumelana naloo nto. Kodwa babenengxaki noWarren, owayengumgqatswa ocacileyo webhulorho, njengoko usitsho. Kanye njengokuba isihlwele sakwaSanders saba nomsindo kuWarren ngokungamxhasi uSanders, ngebeze eWarren nangomdla omkhulu kunokuba benzile ngeBiden.
Kodwa ndithethe nabanye abantu ababazi kakuhle abantu baseWall Street, kwaye ndiyazi ukuba usigubungele kakhulu eso singqi. Kwaye irhafu yobutyebi yayingumbulali nje. Ndihleli noTom Ferguson, owenza imali eninzi kuphando lwezopolitiko, kwaye ndambuza kwakanye, "Ngaba imali ingathanda ukuhamba nohlobo lwe-fascism uTrump olungise kuyo okanye banganyamezela iWarren?" Kwaye impendulo yakhe yayisithi, "Lo gama nje irhafu yobutyebi isetafileni, baya kuhamba nge-fascism." Kwaye mhlawumbi eneneni yayiyimpazamo yakhe. Mhlawumbi irhafu yobutyebi-ayisiloxesha lokwenza oko, kuba amandla anamandla anamandla.
UMat Taibbi
Ewe, kodwa kufuneka uqhube kunye nolunye uhlobo lwesicwangciso esinjalo, ngaphandle koko akukho semthethweni njengeqonga leqela elisebenzayo. Yintoni oyichazayo ngempendulo xa abantu bebuzwa, ngaba bangakhetha uWarren okanye uTrump? - uninzi lwabantu endithetha nabo eWall Street, babona uTrump njengomdlali ongakwaziyo ukuphumeza naluphi na uhlobo lwesicwangciso sokwenyani sezopolitiko ngaphandle kwezinto mhlawumbi abangaphakathi eBeltway sele befuna njengentlawulo enkulu yerhafu ayinike yona. 2017 kunye ne-'18.
Ke, ndicinga ukuba kuyacaca ukuba bakhethe uTrump ngaphezu kweWarren kuba abakhange bambone uTrump njengomntu oyingozi kakhulu. Ubanike yonke into abayifunayo kwibheyile yobhubhane kunye nomgaqo-nkqubo wakhe werhafu kunye nenkcitho yasemkhosini. Kwaye, ewe, irhafu yobutyebi bukaWarren yayiyingxaki kuba kwakungekho ndlela yokuphuma kuyo. Yayiyiyo yonke ingongoma yesindululo. Yayiyilelwe ukuqinisekisa ukuba iinkampani zibhatale irhafu koko bezikuzuzile ngokuchasene noko bakuxeleyo okanye apho bakuxele khona.
Kwaye, ewe, mhlawumbi yayiyimpazamo leyo, ngobuchule, kodwa, uyazi, uza kwenza ntoni?
UPaul Jay
Hayi, andithethi ngokunyuka kwerhafu yenkampani. Ndithetha ngerhafu kumntu ngamnye.
UMat Taibbi
Ewe. Ewe, kunjalo. Kodwa yayiyingcamango efanayo.
UPaul Jay
Ndiyathetha, yenye incoko ngeendlela ezithile. Ndicinge ukuba ngeyityhale irhafu yezindlu kuba yindlela eyamkelekileyo yokufumana irhafu yobutyebi kunerhafu yobutyebi ethe ngqo. Ndicinga ukuba ngamanye amaxesha uninzi lwethu luyalibala ukuba siphila entliziyweni yobukumkani. Kuya kufuneka sibe nenyani malunga nento enokwenzeka apha. Amandla elungelo, ubungakanani bamandla okwenza imali, amandla emali, kubandakanya ukukwazi ukwenza imali kwiFed kwaye uyiphose ingxaki xa ufunaโฆ
Ndicinga ukuba, ukubeka ngenye indlela, ukunyakaza kwabantu akunamandla ngokwaneleyo ngoku ukujongana ngokukodwa nosongelo lwemozulu ngefestile emxinwa. Kuya kufuneka kubekho ukulawulwa apha okanye akuyi kubakho naluphi na uhlobo lomthetho ogqithisiweyo malunga nemozulu oza kusebenza. Ayikuko ukuba ndinokholo olukhulu kwiBiden. Ngokuchasene noko.
UMat Taibbi
Ewe, ekuphela kwento endiya kuyithetha kukuba ukuba iDemocratic Party igqibe kwelokuba ifuna ukuba lolo hlobo lweqela kwaye iphose bonke ubunzima bayo emva kokuzama ukuyenza loo nto, ndicinga ukuba bebenethuba elifanelekileyo lokufumana into. ngenxa yokuba bebeza kuba nazo zonke iivoti. Ayizizo zonke iivoti: bebeya kuba nenkxaso ethandwa kakhulu, okanye ngaphezulu kunoko banayo ngoku, ukuba bekunokwenzeka.
Ingxaki esinayo ngoku yeyokuba ilizwe lahlulwe ngokwamaqela amathathu. Sinomanyano lukaTrump, iqela elilungileyo, iqela labavangeli. Ke kukho iqela elikhulu, elikhulu labantu abangenamdla, abangavoti kwaye badanile. Kwaye kukho iqela labantu abavotela iDemokhrasi endicinga ukuba baya bekhula bengabadibanisi kwaye bengakhathalelwanga. Akukho nto yaneleyo kwaba bantu, ekugqibeleni, ukuba babe sisininzi esisisigxina eUnited States. Ngoko ke, ngaphandle kokuba bafumane indlela yokumba kwelo qela labantu abaye bayeka ukuvota, baya kuhlala befana emva kweebhola ezisibhozo zonyulo, ndicinga ukuba.
UPaul Jay
Ewe, kwaye abazukunikwa ubhubhane ngalo lonke ixesha.
UMat Taibbi
Kunene.
UPaul Jay
Akukho sizathu - ngokwembono, kwezopolitiko - ukuba uTrump ngekhe ajongane nobhubhane. Bekungayi kumenzakalisa nangayiphi na indlela ngesiseko sakhe. Wayenokuthi, "Nxiba iimaski." Akukho mntu wayenokukhathala ngayo. Uligeza.
UMat Taibbi
Kunene.
UPaul Jay
Ufumene iivoti ezizigidi ezingama-70.
UMat Taibbi
Ukuba nje ebephambana kancinane, ngeluphumelele unyulo kwaye mhlawumbi ahambe, ngeluphumelele. Njengokuthi, ukuba wayenokuphatha izinto ngobuchwephesha, njengomntwana oneminyaka eli-13 ubudala, ngewayelungile. Ewe.
UPaul Jay
[Ehleka.] Kodwa eso sisiphakamiso esoyikisa ngokwenene kuba yonke enye inxalenye yobongameli bakhe yayiyintlekele, eqala ngemozulu kuqala, i-Iran, kwaye iqhubela phambili kwisebe ngesebe ngesebe, ityhila lonke uhlobo lwenethi yokhuseleko loluntu kunye nemiba yezokhuseleko. ukukhutshwa kwekhabhoni njalo njalo njalo njalo. Intlekele epheleleyo. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba unyanisile, ngeluphumelele unyulo.
Sakhe sadlan' indlebe nalo mfo kwindawo yokutya ngaphandle kwe-Baltimore, umfana omhlophe kwindawo emhlophe kwenye yeedolophu. Uye wathi, โNdicinga ukuba uTrump uyageza. Ndicinga ukuba ulixoki. Ndicinga ukuba yindoda ekhohlakeleyo. Kwaye ndamvotela kunjalo. Ikuxelela ntoni loo nto malunga nendlela endicinga ngayo ngabanye abafana?โ
Ngapha koko, uyalibona na ithemba lokuba iBiden-nantsi uMariya wam malunga neBiden; u-naivete wam-Hail Mary -: akanakukhathazeka ngokubaleka kwakhona. Akanyanzelekanga ukuba akhathazeke ngomsebenzi wasemva komongameli. Umdala ngokwaneleyo ukuba angaphula isikhunta sakhe. Ucinga ukuba kukho naliphi na ithuba lokuba uya kumamela abaqhubela phambili? Kwaye ndicinga ukuba siza kufumanisa kungekudala malunga nokuba unyula bani [kwikhabhinethi].
UMat Taibbi
Owu, akukho ndlela yokuba ahambe ngaloo ndlela. IBiden sisidalwa seBeltway. Ebesoloko ekho. Ukuthembela kwakhe, ndiyacinga, kwezopolitiko kunokuba ngqongqo ngakumbi kunokuba ayeke. Unomntu owenziwe ngononophelo kwiminyaka egxininisa le ngcamango yokuba uvela kwiklasi yabasebenzi, ukuba "uScranton Joe," kwaye unemvelaphi enzima. Kodwa eneneni, ukuba ubuyela umva kwaye ujonge eyona nto akholelwa kuyo, izinto abonakala ngathi uziva enamandla ngazo zizinto ezifana nezicwangciso zobulungisa bolwaphulo-mthetho, urhwebo lwasimahla, kwaye wayesecaleni likaBarack Obama ngogonyamelo โ Idemokhrasi-ukukhuthaza" umgaqo-nkqubo wangaphandle owakhuthazwa ngu-Obama yonke loo minyaka ngokubulawa kwe-drone kunye nazo zonke ezo zinto. Ke, andinalo ukholo lokuba baya kuyenza loo nto.
Kwaye, sele ekhona onke la mabali ebhaloni yovavanyo kumaphephandaba aseMelika athetha malunga nendlela iBiden, uyazi, kufuneka ixhathise iphiko leWarren / Sanders lokuqeshwa kuNondyebo kunye neendawo ezinje, nto leyo kum ecebisa ukuba sele bezilungiselela. abantu up for ingcamango ukuba baza kuba yonke iqela Jamie Dimon-iintlobo kurhulumente. Mhlawumbi akuyi kuba kanye uJamie Dimon, kodwa iya kuba ngabantu abanjalo.
UPaul Jay
Yonke inxalenye enengqondo yengqondo yam ithi unyanisile. [Ukuhleka.] Ndicinga ukuba ndisebenza nje emva kwintlekele yemozulu kwaye ndinethemba lokuba ingqiqo iya [kubamba]. Kuba ukuba ujonga isicwangciso sakhe semozulu sangokuโฆ Nje, ndidlanโ indlebe noBob Pollin, ingcali yezoqoqosho. Sihambe ngesicwangciso semozulu sikaBiden esikwiwebhusayithi yakhe. Kwaye ukuphelisa amafutha efosili ayisiyonxalenye yento ayithethayo isicwangciso semozulu. Ndiyazi ukuba ukhe waphuma kumyalezo kwaye wayithetha loo nto kwingxoxo-mpikiswano yokugqibela, emva koko warhoxa kuyo esithi izothatha amashumi eminyaka. Kodwa konke kusekwe ekubanjeni kwekhabhoni, isicwangciso sakhe sokwenyani, obubuchwephesha obungangqinwanga kwaphela.
Kwelinye icala, kubonakala ngathi kukho ukuqondwa kwemeko yemozulu embi, nguBiden kunye nezinye zezo zijikelezo kwezemali. UChuck Schumer uthethe into enomdla ngentsasa ye-3 kaNovemba. Ayikhange ifumaneke kakhulu kuba yalahleka ngendlela, ngelo xesha nge-3 kaNovemba, uTrump wayeqhuba kwaye wonke umntu wothuka. Kodwa ngentsasa yomhla wesi-3, xa iiDemokhrasi zazicinga ukuba iza kuba yicake, uSchumer uthi, โSiza kwenza into eyenziwa yi-FDR kwiintsuku zakhe zokuqala ezili-100. Siza kuba nenkqubela phambili njenge-FDR. " Into enjalo-iphuma kwi-Schumer. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba kuthetha ukuthini ukuba bacinga ukuba banokuba nenkqubo enkulu yeziseko zophuhliso, bayibhale โnjengeluhlaza,โ kwaye iba yinkomo yemali enkulu kuba ayipheleli nje ngokuba yimalini oyichithayo, yile, uyichitha ngantoni. kwaye ngubani ovuna inzuzo yayo yonke loo nkcitho.
Kwaye mhlawumbi leyo yinxalenye yento iimarike zemasheya zivuya kakhulu ngoku. Kuba ndikunye namaRiphabhlikhi, ukuba imali iyayithanda ngokwenene iphakheji, ke into abayifunayo ngabantu abambalwa baseRiphabhlikhi kwiSenethi ukuba beze nayo. Iza kujongeka njenge-FDR-ish, kodwa ukuba eneneni yenza nantoni na esebenzayo iya kuba ngumlo. Ngoku, ubuncinci kukho umlo malunga nokuba yintoni esebenzayo. Ngaphantsi kweTrump, awunayo loo ngxoxo.
UMat Taibbi
Inokwenzeka. Ndiyathandabuza kakhulu ukuba iya kuba yinyani leyo kuba bachithe lonke ixesha lonyulo lowama-2019/2020 begalela yonke ingxowankulu yezopolitiko ababenayo ekucinezeleni umgqatswa owayenepolitiki ye-FDR kanye eBernie Sanders. Ndithetha ukuthi, ungumntu owakhankasela ukubuyela kwiSivumelwano esitsha, kwaye baphosa yonke into ababenayo ekuqinisekiseni ukuba akusayi kubakho naluphi na uhlobo lokubuyela kwiSivumelwano esitsha. UBernie Sanders wabaleka kuloo nto ngokucacileyo, kwaye bachitha yonke i-capital yezopolitiko ababenayo ekumtyumzeni. Andiqondi ukuba lo mbutho ukholelwa kolu hlobo lwezopolitiko.
Ndicinga ukuba bayi--uyazi, yimodeli yezopolitiko yeClinton, ehambelana kakhulu neWall Street. Ke, mhlawumbi kukho into efana nale uyithethayo, apho luhlobo lwezemali lweDili eNtsha yeGreen.
UPaul Jay
Ewe.
UMat Taibbi
Mhlawumbi into efana naleyo, apho kukho itoni yenkcitho ye-Fed kwiinkampani ezimbalwa ezenza ibhaskithi yezibambiso otyale kuzo ngokubonakalayo ziya kuyilungisa ingxaki. Kodwa ndiyathandabuza kakhulu ukuba bakhathalele konke malunga nesiphumo. Ngoko, uyazi, ndiyaxolisa ngokuba ngumntu ophantsi, kodwa andizange ndibone nabuphi na ubungqina bokuba eli qela likhathalele oko.
UPaul Jay
Ewe, itheko linzima kuba banesiseko sasedolophini esifuna isenzo kwimozulu kwaye bafunde ngokufanelekileyo.
UMat Taibbi
Owu, andithethi abantu [oko kukuthi, abavoti abangabo beDemokhrasi].
UPaul Jay
Hayi hayi. Kodwa ndiyathetha, kufuneka bakhathazeke ngaloo nto. Isiseko seRiphabhlikhi asikhathali kakhulu ngayo. Kodwa iDemocratic Party njengeqela, ukuba bafuna ukuphumelela olunye unyulo kwaye ukuba abafuni ukomeleza iphiko leSanders, abanakuyenza. nto. Ke, ukusuka nje ekuthandeni okumsulwa konyulo, banomdla ohlukeneyo oya kubaqhubela kwelo cala.
Imali, ndiyacinga, ibona ithuba apha, hayi nje ithuba. Uyazi, ndenza udliwanondlebe noLarry Wilkerson kakhulu kwaye unxibelelana nabantu abaninzi be-fossil. Bayazi ukuba oku kuyeza. Ndiyathetha, abanamathandabuzo okuba isayensi yemozulu yeyenyani. Bafuna nje amashumi amabini, amashumi amabini anesihlanu eminyaka yokufumana amafutha efosili angaphezulu emhlabeni phambi kokuba kwenzeke nantoni na embi.
UMat Taibbi
Kunene.
UPaul Jay
Kodwa nalo mfo, uLarry Fink, oqhuba iBlackRock, uye wahlawula kakhulu imilebe yomlomo kumba wokukhutshwa kwamalahle nezinye izinto zemozulu. Ndiyathetha, into ayicebisile ayinzulu, kodwa kukho ukuqondwa kwabantu abafaka imali kwingxowa-mali yotyalo-mali yeBlackRock ukuba kukho izinto ezinzulu ezehlayo ezinokude zoyikise ii-asethi zabo. Kodwa akukho nto iya kwenziwa ukuba abayi kuzama ukufumana indlela yokwenza imali ngayo. Kwaye oko kuya kubaluleka ngakumbi kubo kunokuba yintoni eyona nkqubo isebenzayo.
Ndifuna nje ukongeza: isoyikiso esikhulu sikaBernie Sanders, ndicinga ukuba, kwakungekho naziphi na iziphakamiso zomgaqo-nkqubo wakhe kuba kwakungekho siphakamiso somgaqo-nkqubo kaBernie ongekhoyo eYurophu naseCanada nakwiindawo ezinjalo. Ayizozindululo zongxowankulu-zoyikiso. Ndicinga ukuba esona sisongelo sikaSanders kukuba wayengekho kulawulo lweWall Street. Ufumene indlela yokunyusa imali ngaphandle kwemali kwaye abanako ukuhlala nayo.
UMat Taibbi
Ewe, ngokuchanekileyo. Elinye lawona mabali angaxelwanga kakhulu kumjikelo wonyulo wokugqibela yayinguSanders wayengoyena mntu uphambili ekuqokeleleni imali. Uyazi, ngoJanuwari ka-2020, wayephakamisa wonke umntu epatini ngomda obalulekileyo. Akukho nanye kuloo mali yayiyimali enkulu yeshishini. Ke, bekukho ubungqina obukhulu bengcinga apho, ethi-kwaye ndicinga ukuba uchanekile-yayiyeyona nto yenza ukuba uSanders abe yingozi ngokukodwa kwiDemocratic Party. Isongela ukuba yintoni imodeli yabo yoshishino.
Khumbula, bangumbutho wezorhwebo, kwaye ukuba bavumela umntu ofana noBernie ukuba abe ngumtyunjwa, baya kuba besusa amawaka ee-cushy sinecures kubo bonke abantu abebesebenzela itheko iminyaka eWashington. Kuya kufuneka bazise iqela elitsha labantu abangakholelwayo kwizinto abazikholelwayo, ezithatha imali yenkampani kwaye zizenze ngathi ziqhubela phambili kwintlalontle. Yiloo nto abayenzayo. Kwaye, uyazi, uBernie ubonakalise ukuba ungaba ngusopolitiki okhuphisanayo ngaphandle kwemali. Kwaye kulapho ndicinga ukuba bamchasa ngokukhethekileyo: kanye ngaloo mzuzu xa waqala ukuqhubela phambili kwaye wayephakamisa yonke imali.
UPaul Jay
Ewe, ndiyavuma ukuba la maqela kunye nenkqubo yonke yezopolitiko yayingenayo i-intanethi yenkxaso-mali engqondweni xa yayidalwa. Ibeke emngciphekweni ulawulo lwabo kwezopolitiko.
UMat Taibbi
Kwaye nje ngokuba ngumzali: Ndamgquma uHoward Dean xa wayegqamela umongameli okokuqala. UDean wenza into efanayo. Wayenenkokhelo yokuqala yokunyusa imali kwi-2004 yonke ngeminikelo emincinci eyenziwe nge-intanethi. Kwaye kulapho zonke iitanki zokucinga, imibutho yeendaba ezinkulu zeendaba - yilapho bonke bajika kuye. Kwaye kwakungengenxa yokuba wayengumntu omkhulu ophosa ibhombu, nangona wayechasa imfazwe. Oko [oko kukuthi, isoyikiso sokunyusa imali ngokuzimeleyo] yayisisizathu. Yiloo nto eyabangela bonke ubutshaba kukuzimela ngokwemali.
UPaul Jay
Ewe, kuba le "demokhrasi" inolawulo olwakhelwe ngaphakathi. Enye yiKholeji yoNyulo, enye yiSenate, kwaye eyona nto ibalulekileyo kukuba ngubani olawula imali. Ukuba waphula ulawulo lwemali, ngequbuliso inokuqala ukujonga idemokhrasi. Kwaye ayizange yenzelwe oko.
UMat Taibbi
Kunene. Kwaye ke kukho imidiya emva koko.
UPaul Jay
Ewe, masithethe ngaloo nto. Yintoni isihogo esiya kuba yimodeli entsha yeshishini le-CNN kunye ne-MSNBC? Ndiyathetha, yonke imodeli yeshishini yayichasene neTrump.
UMat Taibbi
Ndibhale kakhulu malunga noku kule minyaka mine idlulileyo. Ezi nkampani zitshintshile ngokwazo. Bakude kakhulu kwinto yombono wendabuko wokuba yintoni umbutho weendaba ukuba awubonakali ngokusisiseko ngeli xesha.
Baye benza isileyiti senkqubo ebesekwe ngokwenyani malunga nomlinganiswa kaDonald Trump. Ngaphandle kwakhe njengesiqhelo sokusabela kuye, andinalo nofifi lokuba baza kwenza ntoni na kuba yonke inkqubo yabo ayibonakali kwizinto onokuthi uzifunde kwiwebhusayithi yeKomiti yeSizwe yeDemokhrasi, umzekelo, kwicandelo loshicilelo. Ayikho enye ingcamango ezimeleyo eqhubekayo kwininzi yale mibutho yeendaba. Bekumangalisa ukubukela.
Andazi ukuba baya kwenza ntoni na. Ndicinga ukuba phantse banethemba lokuba uTrump unobukho bukhulu basekhaya kwindawo ethile, ngathi, mhlawumbi ngenethiwekhi yeendaba okanye into enjalo.
UPaul Jay
Ewe, mhlawumbi uya kwenjenjalo. Sele ewuqalile umlo wakhe noFox.
UMat Taibbi
Kunene.
UPaul Jay
Kwaye bona kunye naye kunye noFox bebiza iArizona ngaphambi kokuba nabani na enze.
UMat Taibbi
Kunene.
UPaul Jay
Kwaye eneneni, bendibukele iFox ngaphezulu kwe-MSNBC -
UMat Taibbi
Nam.
UPaul Jay
-kunye ne-CNN kuba ndiyazi ukuba baya kuthini. Ubuncinci ufumana isimanga esingaqhelekanga kwiFox.
UMat Taibbi
Ewe, yayingeyonto imangalisayo? Kwakukho izinto kwiFox ngexesha lonyulo - babenabantu ababefanele ukuba ziingcali zokuvota kweLatino kwaye babethetha izinto ezinje, "Ewe, uphumelele abavoti abaninzi baseCuba, kodwa, uyazi, wehlile. Abantu basePuerto Rico yiyo loo nto engakhange aqhube kakuhle.โ Okanye ubunoMike Huckabee ekuthetheni izinto ezinje, "Kukho ixesha lokuba ngumgqatswa kunye nexesha lokuba ngumongameli, kwaye ixesha lokuba ngumgqatswa liphelile, kwaye uTrump kufuneka ayamkele le nto kwaye kufuneka ayeke ukuthetha ngayo, uyazi. , singasabalwa iivoti kwakhona,โ yaye loo nto ke.
I-Fox ijonge ngakumbi njenge-heterodox, inethiwekhi yeendaba ecela umngeni - okomzuzwana apho - kuneendlela eziqhelekileyo ze-CNN kunye ne-MSNBC, ezizii-propaganda eziluhlaza okwangoku. Ngoko, kwakumangalisa ukubukela.
UPaul Jay
Ewe, ndiyathetha, mhlawumbi yimpembelelo kaChris Wallace, naye njengodliwano-ndlebe, ndifumana umdla kakhulu kunaye nabani na ngeCawe kusasa.
UMat Taibbi
Ngokuqinisekileyo.
UPaul Jay
Unika abalawulwa bakhe ubunzima. Ngokwenene wenza njengentatheli. Ndiyavumelana naloo nto.
Kodwa ndicinga ukuba ibekwe ngokuyinxenye. UFox uyazi ukuba kukho ukhuphiswano lwe-Trump media empire oluza noFox. Ke, balungiselela ukumlahla. Kwaye kwakhona, icala leendaba likaFox lalisengqiqweni ngakumbi. Iipundits zazingekho kangako ngobusuku be-3 kaNovemba.
UMat Taibbi
Hayi, kodwa ubuncinane kukho icala leendaba. Yabona, yiloo nto enika umdla.
UPaul Jay
Ndiyathetha, ngokwesiqhelo icala leendaba [kaFox] belibi kakhulu. Kodwa ngoku ngequbuliso - ndiyavumelana naloo nto - zavakala njengeendaba ngequbuliso.
UMat Taibbi
Kunene. Kunene. Nangona, uyazi, enye i-axis-i-CNN, i-MSNBC, Washington Post, ENew York Times i-axis - ibihamba isiya kwicala apho iindaba zisanda kwezopolitiko. Kwaye ibe yinguqu emangalisayo. Andazi ukuba baya kwenza ntoni ngoku ukuya phambili ekubeni, uyazi, inamba enkulu ibulewe.
UPaul Jay
Enye yezinto eyandothusayo ngale voti, ebonisa ukuba ndithengile, andazi, uvoto nokuba yintoni na. Ndandisoloko ndicinga ukuba uHillary wayefanele ukuba aluphumelele olo nyulo, kwaye akazange aphumelele kuba engazange akhankase kwiindawo ezinojingi. Ewe, ngoku kuye kwavela ukuba u-Biden, owakhankasela kumazwe abalulekileyo - kwaye ewe, waphumelela, kodwa waphumelela eMichigan ngeevoti ezili-140,000. Ndiyathetha, emva kweminyaka emine kaTrump, bekungafanelanga ukuba isondele. Ikhulu elinamashumi amane lamawaka eevoti zisavaliwe.
Ke, iivoti ezizigidi ezingama-70 ezifunyanwa nguTrump, sisiseko esiqinileyo. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba yintoni i-Dems yenkampani engayikhathaleliyo okanye engakwaziyo ukuyenza: abayazi indlela yokufumana [ithuba] lokunxibelelana. Andithethi ngemiyalezo apha. Lo ngomnye umcimbi. Ngokwenene abanalo umjelo wokusasaza ukufikelela kwabo bantu bezigidi ze-70 kuba abo bantu bezigidi ze-70 ababukele i-CNN, i-MSNBC, ayifundi. Iposi, abafundi Ixesha. Basenokubukela iFox-kwaye neFox igqithisiwe. UTucker Carlson wenza umndilili ndicinga ukuba yi-4.4 yezigidi, elungele intambo. Ayisondele nakwiindaba zenethiwekhi. Iindaba zenethiwekhi zenza izigidi ezingama-20, izigidi ezingama-22. Ngamnye kubo uyafikelela kuloo manani.
Ke, ayisiyiyo Fox kuphela. Ndicinga ukuba ngunomathotholo kwaye yipulpiti. Bona [oko kukuthi, iiDemokhrasi ezihlangeneyo] abafumani ukuba abanayo indlela yokuthetha nabo bantu. Yaye babonakala bengenzi mgudu wokuthetha nabo bantu.
UMat Taibbi
Ewe. Kwaye le yenye into endiyibhale kakhulu ngayo. Ndithethe kakhulu ngale nto nabantu abafana noTom Frank, umbhali.
UPaul Jay
Bendimnxibile nje. Ebeqhuba nje. Ndine piece naye.
UMat Taibbi
O nyhani? Kulungile.
UPaul Jay
Ewe. Ngokwenene libali eliphezulu kwiwebhusayithi ngoku: Kwenzeka ntoni eMelika? Ndikunye noTom Frank.
UMat Taibbi
Nako usiya. Mna naye siye sathetha kakhulu ngale nto. Kwakhona, bekukho olu tshintsho kumajelo eendaba apho ilizwi lomntu osebenzayo, ebelikade liyinxalenye yamava eendaba [alikho.] Bekusoloko kukho umbhali wemihlathi okanye isibini sababhali bemihlathi njengoJimmy Breslin, uMike. Barnicle - kwakungakhathaliseki ukuba ngubani na. Isixeko ngasinye sasinaloo mntu umsebenzi wakhe yayikukuthetha ngolwimi lwasekuhlaleni lomntu osebenzayo kunye nokuqinisekisa ukuba imibutho yeendaba igcina uhlobo oluthile lonxibelelwano kubantu abaqhelekileyo.
Kwaye abo bantu baye bapheliswa ukutyhubela iminyaka. Eyona nto ibangelโ umdla kukubukela indlela apheliswe ngayo. Njengaye, baqale balulahla uhlobo lwabantu abasebenza ngokwenene kwaye babafaka endaweni yabo, ngokungafihlisiyo, nabantu abafana noTom Frank kunye nam esasi, uyazi, uhlobo lweengqondi zodidi oluphezulu, kodwa ezazinovelwano kumntu oqhelekileyo. Emva koko basilahla.
UPaul Jay
Banilahla nobabini. Nobabini aniphinde niqhubele phambili.
UMat Taibbi
Ewe, ngokuchanekileyo. Okanye nabani na onjengathi. Kwaye sonke sithatyathelwโ indawo ngabaPostile beKlasi yobuGcisa umsebenzi wabo kukuhlala uphakamisa ubulumko obungenasiphelo, uyazi, iingcali zaseMelika. Kwaye ke, ingxaki ngeendaba zeendaba ngoku kukuba azinabo nabaphi na abantu abacingayo malunga nendlela yokunxibelelana nabantu abaqhelekileyo. Yiyo loo nto behlala bephosa izinto ezinje ngonyulo luka-2016 kwaye ngoku lunyulo luka-2020, kuba abazi nabani na o-
UPaul Jay
Ewe, eneneni, benza uhlobo oluthile. Kodwa ingxaki ziinkokeli zemibutho yomanyano yabasebenzi ngokufanelekileyo, kwaye nguye ozixelela into efunwa ngabasebenzi. Kodwa ukuba bebezihlupha ngokwazi abantu abakwimibutho yabasebenzi, bebenokwazi ukuba uninzi lwamalungu omanyano alukwazi ukumelana nabo.
UMat Taibbi
Kunene.
UPaul Jay
Abazithandi ezi nkokeli zomanyano kwaye hayi ngenxa yokuba ziqhubela phambili, kodwa ngenxa yokuba ziyi-hacks.
UMat Taibbi
Kunjalo, ngokuchanekileyo.
UPaul Jay
Ndingena kwiivenkile zokutya ezidityanisiwe. Kwaye ndiyabuza, "Uyazi ukuba ngubani igosa lakho?" "Hayi." "Ngaba uyalazi igama lombutho wakho?" Ndicinga ukuba lumanyano lwento, into. " Njengaye, akukho nxibelelwano phakathi kweenkokeli zemanyano eziya kwezi zidlo zasemini ezingama-500 zeedola kwaye zitye i-steaks njenge-
UMat Taibbi
Kunene. KwiMonocle, ewe.
UPaul Jay
Ewe. Kwaye lowo utolika abasebenzi kwiinkokeli zeDemocratic Party.
UMat Taibbi
Kunene. Injalo kanye loo nto. Yileyo ndlela abagcina ngayo umnwe wabo kwi-pulse yabantu, akunjalo? [Kwahlekwa.]
Yiyo loo nto. Zii-polls. Ndikhumbula ndisiva ibali ngexesha lika-Obama kamongameli livela kumntu okwiNondyebo owathi babenentetho evela kwiqela labaphathi abakwizikhundla eziphezulu kwiinkampani ezinkulu ezithengisa izinto ezifana neThagethi kunye neWal-Mart. Oku kwakungo-2009. Kwaye babaxelela, โNiyazi, kukho iintlungu ezininzi phaya ngenxa yeengxaki zemali. Abantu abazukuthenga kangako ngeli xesha leeholide.โ Kwaye abantu baseNondyebo babefana, "Owu, ngokwenene?" Njengokuba, yindlela abaye bafumanisa ngayo ukuba abantu sinobunzima emva kwengozi ka-2008: ukusuka kwintetho yezi nkampani ezithengisayo. Ke, ewe, abanalo naluphi na olonxibelelwano.
Kwaye ndabhala ngolu hlobo njengesiqhulo, kodwa ukuba ujonga kunyango lwemithombo yeendaba kolu gqatso, bekukho uninzi lokucinga malunga nokuba ngubani oza kuvotela uHomer Simpson. Kwaye isizathu soko kukuba uHomer Simpson nguye kuphela umvoti weTrump onokuthi uninzi lweentatheli zizazi, uyazi?
UPaul Jay
[Lihlekile.]
UMat Taibbi
Kuyihlazo kakhulu kumanqanaba amaninzi, kodwa yingxaki enkulu kakhulu.
UPaul Jay
Enye into abayaziyo, kodwa andifumani ukuba bangakwazi njani ukwenza intloko yabo malunga nokuba benze ntoni ngayo, nokuba sele besondele kakhulu kwezemali nayo yonke enye into.
Kodwa nangona kunjalo: bayazi, baxelelwe ubuncinci ukusukela ngo-2004, 2005, indlela abazalwana bakaKoch kunye nabanye oosozigidi abasebenzisana nabo, ngokucokisekileyo, badale ngokucwangcisiweyo olu manyano lweitanki zokucinga ezikude ekunene ezikhuthaza ukukhwabanisa, umntu, iinkokeli zonqulo zevangeli. Abantu abaqhelekileyo abanyanisekanga, uninzi lwabo. Uninzi lwabavangeli, ndiyacinga, banyanisekile kwinto abayikholelwayo. Kodwa iinkokeli ziyi-hacks. Kwaye rhoqo kukho ukubonakaliswa ngokwesondo, kukho inkohlakalo yorhwaphilizo. Ayinamsebenzi kuba ibali liyaxolelwa.
Ndenze ifilimu kanye kwi-wrestling yobuchwephesha, kwaye yandifundisa okuninzi ngale nto yonke. Uyazi, le ngcamango yamaqhawe, abizwa ngokuthi "ubuso," ajika abe zizithende aze abuyele ebusweni. Loo catharsis inentsingiselo kakhulu ebantwini kuba badlula kuloo catharsis kunye nomlinganiswa abajongileyo nabachongiwe naye.
UMat Taibbi
Yep.
UPaul Jay
Ke, le nethiwekhi inkulu idalwe zizigidi kunye nezigidi. Ubuncinci iipesenti ezingama-60, ndiyacinga, yevoti kaTrump yile voti yenkolo. Isenokuba phezulu ukuya kutsho kuma-70 ekhulwini. Kodwa aba bantu bakholelwa kwezi xabiso ngokunyaniseka okukhulu, nokuba kukho ithamo lelungelo elimhlophe okanye ukongama okumhlophe okuphoswe kumxube. Kodwa i-chunk yabo bantu bavotela u-Obama.
UMat Taibbi
Kwaye iqhekeza elikhulu.
UPaul Jay
Iqhekeza elikhulu. Kubaluleke kakhulu ukuba bavotele umntu omnyama njengomongameli. Ke, andiyinciphisi inxalenye yobuhlanga yale ngxelo. Ngokuqinisekileyo ayisiyiyo yonke ingxelo xa uninzi lwaba bantu bavotela umongameli wokuqala omnyama. Kodwa xa uthetha ngokuthe ngqo kuninzi lwabavoti bakaTrump-kwaye ndithethe nabavoti bakaTrump bezenkolo-xa uqala ukuthetha, "Ewe, uTrump uhamba njani nomyalezo kaYesu?" Uyazi, "uTrump uhamba njani kwintunja yenaliti?" Uyazi, inkamela: [oko kukuthi, izityebi] zinethuba lokungena ezulwini njengokuba inkamela ingena entunjeni yenaliti. Xa uqala ukucaphula iBhayibhile kunye noYesu kwaye baqonde ukuba uya kuba nencoko enyanisekileyo kunye nabo malunga naloo nto, akukho mntu waxhuma wathi, "Owu, ndikubonile ukukhanya kuba ndithethe nawe." Hayi. Kodwa iyabashukumisa kancinane.
Kwaye kukho umzamo omncinci-yongeza nje into enye. Abaviwa abanenkqubela, abathengi nje intengiso yeTV. Baya kwindlu ngendlu phakathi konyulo. Uyazi, bathetha nabantu ngokuphindaphindiweyo. I-Corp Dems ayibonakali iyenza loo nto. Bacinga nje ukuba ulinde kude kube kunyulo, emva koko uthenge iqela leentengiso zeTV kwaye kufanele ukuba uphumelele into ethile.
UMat Taibbi
Ewe, ndithethile noMarianne Williamson malunga noku kancinci. Ukungakwazi kwabaviwa beDemokhrasi - kungekhona nokungakwazi, ukungafuni kweDemocratic Party ukufumana indlela yokuthetha ngokukholelwa ngokomoya. Yingxaki yabo ngenxa yokuba. Abanayo nayiphi na inkolelo yokwenene kuyo. Abanalunxibelelwano kuyo. Abanaye nabani na oyaziyo indlela yokuthetha ngolo hlobo. Kwaye abakhange benze oko, ndingathi, uBill Clinton. Kwaye i-ethos yanamhlanje yohlobo oluninzi lwenkqubela phambili / yenkululeko yokucinga ichasene ngokupheleleyo nomoya kwaye ayikwazi ukuthetha ngayo nangayiphi na indlela enentsingiselo.
Kwaye isizathu sokuba uTrump afumane ezo voti kungenxa yokuba akazithobi kwabo bantu. Uyazi, uthetha nabo ngokungathi bangezozidenge, ekusenokwenzeka ukuba azifaniswanga naye, akunjalo? Kodwa loo nto ayiyongxaki ngokwenene. Xa iiDemokhrasi zizama ukuthetha nabo, uyazi, abavangeli, kuhlala kukho olu hlobo lokuzithoba, olufana, โSiza kuqala ukuthetha kancinci kancinci,โ njengokuthi, โSinosizi ngani, kodwa mandinixelele. apho unomdla wokwenene khona.โ Kwaye bathoba ngokupheleleyo nantoni na abayicingayo apho banokuba neenkolelo ezinzulu kakhulu, nokuba kukhetho lokuzala okanye nantoni na eyenye. Bavele bacinge ukuba baphosakele ngokupheleleyo kwaye abafuni ukubandakanyeka kuyo nayiphi na yezo zinto
Ke, yingxaki enkulu leyo. Kwaye ndingaphinda ndongeze kukho umba oqala ukuvela ngenkqubela phambili apho ukunqongophala kwesiko lenkolo, naphakathi kwabazali, kudale uhlobo olutsha lomvoti weDemokhrasi oqale ukwamkela ezopolitiko phantse njengokutshintsha iinkolelo zabo zokomoya. Kwaye bathetha ngezinto ezinje, uyazi, nokuba bubuBomi obuMnyama okanye indalo, kodwa ngamanye amaxesha baqala ukuvakala njengabantu benkolo xa bethetha, endicinga ukuba bathetha ngento eyenzekayo encinci kwicala leDemokhrasi. Kodwa ekugqibeleni inqaku lihleli kukuba abanayo indlela yokuthetha nabantu benkolo, endicinga ukuba, uyazi, iyahambelana nale nto ubuyithetha.
UPaul Jay
Ndicinga ukuba le nto uyithethayo ibaluleke kakhulu, kwaye mhlawumbi yinxalenye yendlela esinokuthetha ngayo nabantu benkolo, kukuba siyavuma ukuba zonke iipolitiki zipolitiki yesazisi. Uyazi, ndiyazi izinto ezininzi eziqhubela phambili, kubandakanya nam, de kube mhlawumbi - kwandithatha ukuba ndihlale eBaltimore iminyaka embalwa ukuba ndidlule kule nto - kodwa bendiya kujongela phantsi ipolitiki yesazisi, kwaye kufuneka ibe malunga neklasi kwaye njalo. kwi. Kodwa kukho isizathu sokuba abantu bafune iipolitiki zezazisi. Kungenxa yokuba baziva ukuba ubuni babo busengozini. Ukuba ubuni babo bebungasongelwa, bebengayi apho. Ke, ewe, mna ngokwam ndikholelwa ukuba isisombululo sesoyikiso kwisazisi sabantu luluntu olulinganayo ngokwentlalo njalo njalo. Mandiqhubele phambili kunoko: tshintsha ukuba loluphi udidi olunamandla, ngokwenene? Kodwa oko akuyi kwenzeka ngokukhawuleza.
Kodwa xa uqala ukuphikisana ngenkolo kunye nezopolitiko, kwaye akufani nokuba yahlukile, njengoko usitsho, kungekuphela nje abantu benkolo, kuba kuthiwa ngabantu behlabathi, nabo: ulwa nobuni babantu, hayi izimvo. Uyazi, akuyena usosayensi omnye owenza olu vavanyo kunye nomnye, kwaye makhe sixoxe malunga nokuba zithini iziphumo. Sithetha ngondoqo wobuntu babantu.
UMat Taibbi
Kunjalo.
UPaul Jay
Kwaye ukuba awuyihloniphi loo nto, awukwazi ukuthetha. Ke, kuya kufuneka uqale ngokufumana indawo efanayo xa uthetha nabantu. Kwaye ngokucothayo, uyazi, njengoko nditshoyo, sinokuqala ukuthetha ngomyalezo kaYesu. Ndingumlandeli omkhulu kaYesu. Andiyonkolo ngengqiqo yokuba andikholelwa kuThixo, unyana kaThixo, njalo njalo njalo. Kodwa umyalezo kaYesu, into endikholelwa ukuba uyiyo, womelele. Kwaye ndithetha ukuba, jika esinye isidlele, ndithetha, Thixo, umbono wolo hlobo loxolelo? Ndiyathetha, kum oko kukuqonda ukuba siyinxalenye yenkqubo yembali. Akunjalo ngabantu abalungileyo nababi - njengaye, noHitler, kum, akayena umntu okhohlakeleyo. Uyinxalenye yenkqubo yembali. Kwaye kum, oko kukutolika kwam umyalezo kaYesu. Ndicinga ukuba xa uqala ukuthetha ngaloo ndlela, ubuncinane singaba nencoko. Ngaphandle kokuba kwiingqondo ezininzi, abantu bonqulo basuka baphathwe ziidemon. โOwu, zizinto ezibuhlungu. Awukwazi ukuthetha nabo.โ
UMat Taibbi
Yiyiphi impazamo epheleleyo yemeko phantse kuzo zonke iimeko. Kwaye oku, ndiyacinga, sisiphumo nje sabantu abangaxubi ngokwaneleyo. Ndenza incwadi kwakudala apho ndajoyina enye yezo nkonzo zikhulu wawuthetha ngazo.
UPaul Jay
Ndaya kwenye kanye.
UMat Taibbi
Ke, inkokeli yale cawa, uJohn Hagee, yenye yamadoda amakhulu eWashington. Kodwa abantu basecaweni yayingabantu abalungileyo, uyayazi into endiyithethayo? Yaye amehlo am avulwa ngokwenene zizinto ezininzi endaziva ngaloo mava.
Ukuthatha nje umzekelo, abavangeli beza ngendlela ende ngokumangalisayo kumbandela womtshato wamafanasini ngokukhawuleza. Kwaye bayenza ngeprism yokuqonda kwabo imfundiso yeBhayibhile, akunjalo? Njengokuba, bafika apho ngaloo ndlela. Kwaye andicingi ukuba uninzi lwabantu abakwimfundo ephakamileyo eMelika bebenokucinga ukuba oko kunokwenzeka, uyazi, nakwiminyaka elishumi eyadlulayo okanye kwiminyaka elishumi elinesihlanu eyadlulayo. Kwaye ke, iyandikhathaza into yokuba abantu abaninzi abangabavoti bakaTrump, banomdla kakhulu kwaye abantu banalo mbono wokuba abaguquki ngokupheleleyo ekucingeni kwabo. Ayiyonyani leyo. Ndicinga ukuba eyona nto iviwa kakhulu ngabo bantu kukuziva, njengokungcatshwa kunye nokwenzakala, kunye nemvakalelo yokungahlonelwa yeyona nto inzulu kwabo bantu.
Kwaye ukuba singafumana indlela yokungakwenzi oko, ndicinga ukuba kulapho ithemba lekamva elingcono linokuza khona.
UPaul Jay
Ewe, ndicinga ukuba indawo enye yokuqalisa kuxa ujonga into yokuba ama-80 ekhulwini okanye ama-82 ekhulwini abavangeli bavotela uTrump. Ewe, oko kuthetha ukuba iipesenti ezingama-20 azizange. Kwaye loo 20 pesenti iya kwicawa enye kunye nama-80 ekhulwini, kwaye baneti kunye ne-strawberry shortcake okanye nantoni na abayidlayo kwiipati.
Ndinomhlobo ongumfazi oshiywe ngumYuda, ohlala eTennessee, kwaye utshate nomfo ongumvangeli. Yaye kwimibandela emininzi yezobupolitika bayavumelana. Ndehla ke ndaya kubo. Ndanyanzelisa ukuba andise ecaweni yakhe, yaye wenjenjalo. Kwaye ngokunyaniseka-kufuneka ndinyaniseke-Andiqondi ukuba umntu onengqondo unokumamela njani inkonzo ekuthembisa nge-TV yombala ukuba uyakholelwa kwaye awuzenzi ezi zono. Kodwa phantse akukhathaliseki nokuba uthini umshumayeli, ngandlelโ ithile. Amava okuba sebandleni kunye nabo bonke abanye abantu abakholwayo, njengoko ukholelwa, yi-cathartic. Igqithile. Ikwenza ukuba ikuphakamisele phezulu emaphikweni, nokuba yintoni na ibinzana. Kwaye ndaziva ukuba nangona ndingakholelwa ngokwenene nayiphi na kuyo. Ngoko ke, amava e-cathartic kwaye abantu abafumani nje amava amangalisayo, amava, ama-cathartic ebomini babo.
Kwaye, uyazi, akukhathaliseki ukuba yiyiphi ipolisi othetha ngayo, ukuba awukwazi ukuyiqonda loo nto - ngenxa yesizathu esifanayo i-wrestling yobuchwephesha ithandwa kakhulu. Njengaye, uninzi lwabantu alukwazi ukuqonda ukuba kutheni isihogo nabani na angaze ahambe xa esazi-enyanisweni, yayiyifilimu yam eye yasasaza iindaba zokuba yimidlalo yeqonga. Kodwa iseyi-cathartic.
UMat Taibbi
Kunene. Kunene. Ngokuqinisekileyo. Ewe. Hayi, ndiyavuma. Ndicinga ukuba, uyazi, ngokwembono yabavoti abalondolozayo, uninzi lwabo lukhathazeke kakhulu. Jonga, uninzi lwaba bavoti bachitha ixesha elininzi becinga ngobomi babo bomoya kunye nemigaqo yokuziphatha kunye nokuziphatha njengento eyahlukileyo kwaye ngaphandle kwezopolitiko. Kwaye andiyiboni into efanayo kubavoti kwicala leDemokhrasi. Njengokuba, yindlela nje eyahlukileyo yokucinga ngobomi. Kwaye, andazi, kuyakhathaza. Ewe, abashumayeli bevangeli bacinga izinto ezininzi ezisileyo. Kukho abantu abakholelwayo, uyazi, i-apocalypse ezayo kwaye bafunda iincwadi ezinje Ushiyeke emva kwaye bacinga ukuba yinyani. Kodwa, uyazi, zininzi izinto eziveliswe nzulu apho ezibalulekileyo.
UPaul Jay
Enye into endicinga ukuba ibaluleke kakhulu ngalo mzuzu kukuba ungalibali ukuba inamandla kangakanani na intshukumo ejikeleze ugqatso lukaSanders ngaphambi kokuba aphulukane. Intshukumo, intshukumo yayinika amandla ngenene: amakhulu amawaka abantu bedibana bejikeleza amaxabiso aqhubela phambili, besoyikisa ubume bamandla beDemocratic Party.
Kwaye, ewe, kuye kwakho le mvumelwano yeqhinga lokoyisa uTrump, mhlawumbi incinci kakhulu ngengqiqo yokuba andicingi ukuba kufuneka kuthintelwe ukugxekwa kwemikhosi yeBiden ukuze koyiswe uTrump. Kwelinye icala, andizange ndiphumelele unyulo ebomini bam, ngoko mhlawumbi andazi ukuba ndithetha ngantoni. Ngenene ndithetha oko kuko konke ukunyaniseka. Kunzima ukutsho ukuba bekufanele ukuba bayenzile le nto kwaye bekufanele ukuba bayenzile loo nto kubantu abaphumelele unyulo.
Kodwa oko kuthethwa. Kwaye andicingi ukuba kufuneka sikujongele phantsi ukuba lingakanani na icandelo lezemali kunye neqela leDemocratic Party elilithiyile ngokwenene elisekhohlo. Indlela uThomas Frank ayithethayo ngayo, abayithandi ekhohlo- bona thiyile ekhohlo. Kodwa ndicinga ukuba kukho into entsha apha ngenxa yendlela ebenamandla ngayo ubume beSanders. Thatha uKamala Harris ujonge phambili kwiminyaka emine ukusukela ngoku. Ukuba uyalicaphukela ngenene iphiko eliqhubela phambili leqela kule minyaka mine izayo, kuya kubakho umngeni onzima kuye. Andazi nokuba yi-AOC okanye ndiyathetha, yindlela ejongeka ngayo. Ndithetha ukuthi, Thixo, iyakuba yinto yokuqala enjani leyo.
UMat Taibbi
Ewe. Kwaye uBernie uye wasondela kakhulu, kwaye ndandifakwe kakuhle kwiphulo leSanders. Ndimazi uBernie ixesha elide kwaye ndathetha naye kakhulu kule minyaka ili-10 idlulileyo. Kwaye ndiyacinga, uyazi, enye yezinto ezenzekileyo ngephulo lakhe elingelishwa kunye nethamsanqa kukuba uye wabaleka ngokuchasene nomgqatswa awayemthanda buqu.
UBernie ngumlinganiswa onzima ngeendlela ezininzi. Ulula kwicala lezopolitiko. Ukholelwa kwinto ayikholelwayo, kwaye yiloo nto kanye emenza abe nomtsalane ebantwini. Bayakubona ukunyaniseka. Kodwa akangomntu ongenanceba ngendlela efanayo nomntu onjengoBill Clinton. Kwaye nangona ngobukrelekrele ndicinga ukuba wayenokuyiqonda imfuneko yokuhamba nzima ngokuchasene noJoe Biden, uyamthanda uJoe Biden. UJoe Biden wayenobubele kuye xa uBernie wayekho, uyazi, i-backbencher Independent, kwakudala. Kwaye olo hlobo lwezinto lunemali eninzi kunye noSanders. Kwaye kwakukho umahluko omkhulu. Uyazi, uBernie wayengamthandi uHillary Clinton kwaye wayengazithandi kakhulu ezopolitiki kunye nembono yakhe ngehlabathi. Kwaye wakwazi ukubiza ingqumbo ekwakulula ukunxibelelana nayo, uyazi, izinto awayezenza njengokuqokelela iidola ezingama-600,000 ngosuku kwiintetho ezimbalwa kwiibhanki zaseWall Street okanye nokuba yintoni na. Akazange azive into enye kuJoe Biden ngezizathu ezicacileyo. Kodwa ayisiyonto kaBiden leyo. Kwaye uBiden unemvelaphi efanayo, kancinci, yemvelaphi kaBernie. Ke, loo nto yawenza buthuntu umda kancinci.
Ngokubhekiselele kwinto eyenzekayo ukuya phambili, nangona kunjalo, uyazi, ndinexhala malunga noko kuba babephumelele kakhulu kuhlobo lokubethekisa amaSanders ekugqibeleni apho kwathatha umoya omninzi kwibhaloni yentshukumo eqhubekayo, ndiyacinga ukuba. , apha eMelika. Ukuba iya kukhokelwa ngumntu onjenge-AOC, uyazi, ndiyakhathazeka ngaloo nto kuba imbali yeqela kukuba ihlala yenza enye yezinto ezimbini kunye nabaviwa. Inokubatyumza ngokupheleleyo ukuze bangabi nandlela eya phambili kwaye bangaphindi bathathwe nzulu, njengoDennis Kucinich. Okanye babazise kwisibaya kwaye bazithenge ngempembelelo kunye nelizwi, njengoHoward Dean. Kwaye ndinexhala lokuba oko kuya kuba yinto eza kwenzeka nge-AOC kukuba baya kumenza ubuso boluntu beqela kwaye bathethe naye malunga nemiba ethile abangayikhathalelanga. Kwaye ngaloo nto, baya kuqinisekisa ukuba akachithi yonke le minyaka mine izayo bethetha ngazo zonke izipho abaza kuzinika eWall Street nakwishishini lamayeza Ke, iya kuba yinto yokuqala. ukujonga ukuba bendihoye.
UPaul Jay
Ewe, ndiqinisekile ukuba uya kuhoya. [Kwahlekwa.] Kodwa andazi, andikayiboni kude kangako kuye. Ndibe - lithini ilizwi? Igama elithi โNdothukile ngovuyoโ lisenokuba ligama elichanekileyo, kodwa ukuza kuthi ga ngoku, ubonakala ebambelele kwimipu yakhe. Ngokungathandabuzekiyo into oyithethayo licala lokulumkisa kuyo, kwaye baya kuzama oko.
UMat Taibbi
Kodwa ndiyathetha, baya kubonelela, unokuba nguNancy Pelosi olandelayo. Yiloo nto abaza kuyenza; yiloo nto abaza kuyenza.
UPaul Jay
Owu, akukho ndlela. Oh Thixo. Kuya kufuneka enze izibhengezo ezininzi ngaphambi kokuba oko kwenzeke.
UMat Taibbi
Ewe, yinto nje ekufuneka uyigcine engqondweni. Ndicinga ukuba lo ngumdlalo onokwenzeka. Ngoko, ewe.
UPaul Jay
Konke kulungile. Ewe, okokugqibela - kwaye ndiyathemba ukuba siza kuyenza kwakhona kungekudala.
UMat Taibbi
Mmm-hmm. Oku kwakukuhle.
UPaul Jay
Kodwa ngokukhawuleza, iimvavanyo ezimbalwa ze-litmus malunga nokuba leliphi icala elihambayo malunga nokuqeshwa kweqela lenguqu. Xa eqala ukuthetha malunga nokuqeshwa kwekhabhinethi, yintoni oza kuyikhangela eya kuthetha ibali?
UMat Taibbi
Ewe, ndixhalabile kakhulu malunga nokuba baya kubuyisa na ukhuseleko lwesizwe oluvela kulawulo lukaBush no-Obama. Ukuba siqala ukubona amagama afana noMichael Hayden kunye noJohn Brennan kunye noJames Clapper bebuyela kulawulo lweBiden, oko, kum, luphawu lokuba sisengxakini enkulu. Akunjalo nje imiba yomgaqo-nkqubo wangaphandle. Akunjalo nje uhlobo lokuqhubeka kwe-Dick Cheney, i-state-in-a-state, imfazwe-on-terrorism. Zizinto ezintsha endizikhathaza kakhulu ngazo. Lumanyano olukhulayo lwezopolitiko kunye nokumodareyithwa komxholo weSilicon Valley. Uninzi lwaba bantu babenempembelelo kakhulu emva kwemiboniso ngokusebenzisa amaqela afana neBhunga leAtlantiki ekuziseni olu hlobo lutsha losasazo lweendaba ngoku olulawulwa kakhulu.
Kwaye ndicinga ukuba umbono wabo wekamva yi-dystopian. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba kulapho ndikhathazeke kakhulu. Ngaba siza kubona abo bantu babuyela kurhulumente? Kwaye, baya kwenza ntoni kwimiba efana nemidiya, kwaye, uyazi, iindaba zobuxoki kunye nolo hlobo lwento.
UPaul Jay
Kwaye ukukhula okuqhubekayo kwezemali.
UMat Taibbi
Owu, kunjalo.
UPaul Jay
Njengoko eli candelo liba namandla ngakumbi, awathi uRoosevelt wachaza njenge-fascism. Kukho le sicatshulwa esikhulu esivela kuRoosevelt, apho athi xa elinye icandelo longxowankulu likwazi ukuthatha ulawulo ngokusisiseko kurhulumente - ndiyichazile kweli nqaku endilibhalileyo, into obuyithetha ngayo, olu hlobo lwe-dystopia kunye nokuxhaswa ngemali, endiyazi ukuba ubhale ngayo, luhlobo lomhlaza wenkqubo. Ithumba elibi yayinguTrump kunye nemikhosi esemva kwakhe. Kwaye elo thumba, engqondweni yam, kwafuneka lisuswe kuba kungenjalo, uyazi, umguli ufile. Kodwa ukulwa nomhlaza wesistim? Nakanye ukukrazula uTrump akuwuphelisi umhlaza.
UMat Taibbi
Ewe, kwaye ungaqhubeki ngale nto, kodwa ibheyile eyafika emva kokuba ubhubhane uqalile: ingxabano eyenziwa yiWall Street ngelo xesha yayiyinyani, iFed inesibophelelo hayi nje ukuzinzisa iimarike, kodwa ngokusisiseko ukubaxhasa. Kunene? Njengokuba, le ngxabano eyahlukileyo kunokuba benza ngo-2008 xa bathi, Kulungile, ke, kufuneka senze ezi nkampani ziphelele kuba ngaphandle koko kuya kubakho umonakalo osisigxina, ongunaphakade, uyazi, umonakalo wokubambisana kuqoqosho. Kwaye siza kuyilungisa nje eli xesha linye, kwaye siya kubuyela kwinkqubo yentengiso yasimahla. Ngokwenyani bayenze ngokuphandle ingxabano ngeli xesha lokuba iFed kufuneka iqinisekise ukuba amaxabiso kwiimarike ezahlukeneyo ze-capital ahlala kwinqanaba elifanelekileyo ukuze kube nokuqikelelwa okuthile kuyo, eyona nto ibalulekileyo -
UPaul Jay
Ngaphezulu kunengqiqo
UMat Taibbi
Ewe, ngaphezulu kunengqiqo.
UPaul Jay
Ngoko, ngokwemiqathango, imarike yemasheya iyaphambana. Sinobhubhane kunye nokudakumba kwaye iimarike zihamba ngophahla.
UMat Taibbi
Kunene. Njengokuthi, yintoni, kanye, ukuthetheleleka kwaloo nto? Ngaphandle koko, kufuneka siqinisekise ukuba abantu abatyalo-mali-kungekhona kwiimarike zemasheya, abazange bakwenze ngokuthe ngqo apho. Kodwa, uyazi, imarike yemali-mali-mali-malike, umzekelo, akunjalo? Njengokuba, kutheni kufuneka siqinisekise ukuba oko kuhlala kukwizinga eliphezulu kakhulu? Ndiyathetha, kwaye ke, uyazi, iminyaka engamashumi amabini anesihlanu emva kokuba siphelile intlalontle, njengoko sisazi, phantsi kolawulo lukaClinton, siye sayila le enye into, eyona nto ifana, i-Fed backstopping esisigxina kwiimalike zezemali. .
Kwaye bayenze ngoTrump, kodwa ayidityaniswanga noTrump. Yinto eyenzekileyo ukuba uluntu lungazibandakanyi naye. Kwaye ukuba oko kuyaqhubeka, ndiyathetha, luphuhliso oluhle olungaqhelekanga ukwenza uninzi lwezixhobo zethu kuloo nto. Kwaye ke yenye into ekufuneka uyibeke iliso.
UPaul Jay
Kwaye ke, inyathelo leSibini. Andazi ukuba uMthetho weSibini uza nini-kamsinyane nje ukuba uqoqosho luqale ukubuya. Isenzo sesibini siya kuba "Owu, ityala likhulu kakhulu." Emva kokutsho, asikhathali ukuba yimalini abayidalayo, ke iihawks ezinqabileyo ziya kufumana uMthetho wazo. Kwaye ke kuya kubuyela, ke, abantu kuya kufuneka bahlawule kuba ityala liphezulu kakhulu.
UMat Taibbi
Ngokuqinisekileyo. Nanjengoko babeyigatya yonke ingcamango yetyala ngeli xesha. Njengoko, uyazi, bathi ngokwenyani, ayinamsebenzi kwaphela. Kunene? Ndiyalibala ukuba yintoni inkcazo yesitulo seFed, indlela awayichaza ngayo ngokuthe ngqo. Kodwa ngokusisiseko, kufana nokuba, asiyi kuphelelwa ziimbumbulu.
Ke, kwakungekho singqinisiso kwityala elingakanani ababezimisele ukulenza ukuze benze oku. Kodwa baya kuyenza loo ngxoxo ngokupheleleyo nje ukuba uqoqosho luqale ukubuya kwaye wonke umntu uyazi ukuba kuzakwenzeka ntoni. Ulungile. Iya kuba yinguqulelo yaseGrisi okanye yaseItali. Uyayazi into endiyithethayo? Kuya kuba njalo.
UPaul Jay
Baza kuthetha ngaloo ndlela. Xa kufikwa kuwo nawuphi na umthetho oza kunceda abantu.
UMat Taibbi
Kunene.
UPaul Jay
Kukho inani elinomdla ngokwenene endilibonileyo. Ndicinga ukuba yayisuka kwi-2018, i-Brookings Institution. Benza isifundo malunga nokuba bungakanani ubutyebi obusezandleni zabucala, ii-asethi emva kwamatyala. Amashumi alithoba anesibhozo eetriliyoni zeedola. Kwaye ngasese, izandla zaseMelika.
UMat Taibbi
Wowu. Ewe.
UPaul Jay
Ndiyathetha ukuba, kuyageza kwaye, uyazi, ukukwazi ukurhafisa enye yaloo nto kwaye uhlawule ezi zinto kulula kakhulu. Ukuba ubunayo, uyazi, intando yezopolitiko. Kodwa baya kubanga ukuba akukho mali yaneleyo kwaye eli tyala libi kakhulu. Ndithetha ukuthi, banokulihlawula ityala ngeefinki ezintlanu ukuba banokurhafisa nje enye yeetriliyoni ezingama-98 zeedola.
UMat Taibbi
Kodwa ke iiAtlas ziya kugwayimba, uyazi, njengasencwadini [Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand] kwaye abayi kuluvumela olo hlobo lwezopolitiko. Ke, yiyo yonke into ekufanele ukuba ijongwe kwindalo yasemva kweTrump. Ndicinga ukuba siza kubona ingxoxo engakumbi ngaloo nto kuba olo tshintsho lwalunzulu kakhulu xa lwaluqala ukwenzeka emva kobhubhane. Kwaye siza kubona ukuba kuya kwenzeka ntoni.
UPaul Jay
Nangona kunjalo, ndinethemba elincinci, nangona kukho izizathu ezininzi zokungabikho. Ndicinga ukuba eyona nto iphambili iya kuba - kwaye ndicinga ukuba abantu baya kuyifumana le nto kungekudala. Ubuncinci iintlobo zamatsha ntliziyo. Oko kukuthi, uyazi, umongameli waseBiden sisiqalo nje selinye idabi. Kwaye abantu bafanele balungelelanise. Ilula ngokwenene. Abantu kufuneka balungelelanise kuba akukho xesha lokuzivelela kwezinto. Ingxaki yemozulu isandula ukubeka ifestile eyahlukileyo ngexesha kwaye, uyazi, yintoni esinayo? Andazi nokuba sinaliphi ixesha. Ndiyazi nje ukuba asinaxesha.
UMat Taibbi
Kunene.
UPaul Jay
Isenokuba ngaphantsi kweminyaka elishumi. Ndiyathetha, ezinye zeengqikelelo zimbi ngokwenene. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba idabi elikhulu liya kuba ngokuchasene nokuhlanjululwa kohlaza. Ndicinga ukuba baya kwenza izinto ezithile. Kunjalo nje, ngaba kuya kuba bullshit? Kuba ndicinga ukuba ukungxamiseka kuyaqondwa nakwizangqa ze-elites. Kodwa abanako ukuzinceda. Abanakuzinceda. Kuya kufuneka bacinge indlela yokwenza imali ngayo nantoni na eyenziwayo. Kwaye owona mgaqo-nkqubo usebenzayo awuyi kubenza imali ngokukhawuleza. Kwaye lidabi elikhulu elo, kwaye kungcono sizilungiselele okanye sigwetywe. Uyintoni umgca weChomsky? "Ubomi bomntu obulungelelanisiweyo kwesi sijikelezi-langa."
UMat Taibbi
Ngokuqinisekileyo. Ewe, siza kubona ukuba kwenzeka ntoni. Uyazi, basanda kungena eofisini. Ngoko, siza kubona ukuba kwenzeka ntoni. Kodwa, ewe, izinto ezinomdla kakhulu.
UPaul Jay
Ewe. Enkosi kakhulu, ndoda. Masiyenze kwakhona kungekudala.
UMat Taibbi
Ngokuqinisekileyo. Lumka ngoku.
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