Sangano revashandi isimba kurwisa hutongi hwezvido zvevanhu here? Ndiwo mubvunzo wandakabvunza pakati paGumiguru kuna purofesa wenhoroondo wepaUniversity yeFlorida Paul Ortiz. Nepo mubatanidzwa waOrtiz waitungamira, United Faculty yekuFlorida, yanga iri pamberi pakurwisa mutemo weGavhuna Ron DeSantis, mufananidzo wenyika ibhegi rakasanganiswa.
Bato redu razvino revashandi harina kushongedzerwa zvisina kunaka kuve simba, rinopesana nefascist. Yakatambura kubuda ropa kunotyisa mukupera . Mushure mekucheneswa kwevamwe vatungamiriri vayo vakanaka uye vakajeka, varatidziri uye mibatanidzwa, bato rakarasikirwa nechido chezvematongerwo enyika kwete kungopinda muhurongwa hwekuronga nekukura, asi kupikisa masisitimu nemafungiro anopesana neboka revashandi. Hurukuro pamusoro perudzi, murume kana mukadzi, kirasi uye mutemo wekune dzimwe nyika weU.S. dzakabatwa zvakanyanya sezvidzidzo zvisingabvumirwi kusvika ma1940.
Nhasi, umbozha hwekunyarara nekuramba haupo. Kutyisidzirwa kwedemocracy yebumbiro hakusi pachena, asi kukura. Mubvunzo ndewekuti, sangano richaitei?
BILL FLETCHER JR.: Mumakore akati kuti apfuura, nyika yakaona Florida ichidzika mushanduro yezvematongerwo enyika Dante's Inferno. Tiudze nezve mamiriro ezvinhu.
PAUL ORTIZ: Usakanganise nezvazvo: Tiri kufamba zvine mutsindo takananga kuFascism muFlorida. Mafambiro aTrump neDeSantis ane hutsinye anopesana nemubatanidzwa, anti-Black Lives Matter, anti-inlectual rusununguko. Mazhinji emasangano akajairika ataitarisira kusimuka panguva yedambudziko iri awedzera. Uye ndine hurombo kutaura kuti bato reDemocratic Party richiri kusimba mushure mekubvumira DeSantis kuti ikunde zvine mutsindo musarudzo dzemuna 2022 dzegubernatorial.
Asi nenzira dzandaisambofungira, rave sangano remubatanidzwa, kunyanya United Faculty yeFlorida nemubatanidzwa wedu wevabereki, Florida Education Association, rave boka rekupedzisira rakarongeka munyika yose richipikisana nebato reDeSantis.
Bhiridha: Unoitei nezvenyaya yatakatanga kunzwa mushure mesarudzo dza2020, uchitsanangura Bato reRepublican sebato revashandi?
PAURO: Ndinobva kuboka revashandi. Ndakakurira mutaundi rinochengeterwa ngarava, Bremerton, Wash., uye ndaiva mudzidzi wepakoreji wechizvarwa chekutanga. Ndakauya nesangano revashandi semurongi. Uye zvinotaurwa nevanhu veboka revashandi havana hany’a nenharo “dzakamuka”. Pane zvakawanda zvinhu zvavari kunetsekana nazvo, uye hazvisi zvidzidzo zvevakadzi kana kuti vatema. Asi ndakataura nevanhu vakapfuma avo, paunotaura mazwi iwayo, vanobva vatsvuka.
Kana iwe ukatarisa DeSantis 'uye hwaro hwaTrump hwerutsigiro - vanovapa mari, vanobvumira michina yebato ravo kuti ienderere mberi - vanhu vari muPalm Beach, Fla., Munharaunda idzo dzakagarwa muSouth Florida. Ndivo vatungamiri vesangano iri. Vanouya kuFlorida nekuti vanoona nyika semichero yakarembera. Nekuti, padanho renyika yese, hatina kurongeka.
Bhiridha: Munyika, chimwe chezvinhu zvakazonyatsojeka mushure me2016 ndechekuti kune mauto eMAGA mukati mesangano revashandi uye zvechokwadi mukati meboka revashandi. Haisi iyo nheyo huru yaTrump, asi yakakosha. Tinogadzirisa sei kupokana ikoko?
PAURO: Uyu mubvunzo wakakosha. Pane vanhu vari mumubatanidzwa wemubatanidzwa vandaiziva semurongi wevashandi wechidiki vaive nemafungiro akadaro pane dzimwe nyaya. Asi payakasvika nguva yekudzivirira kodzero dzevanhu pabasa uye kunyangwe munharaunda yakakura, waikwanisawo kuvimba nevamwe vevanhu ivavo.
Tinofambisa sei vanhu munzira inofambira mberi? Zvakanaka, tinovaronga.
Makore akati wandei apfuura, United Faculty yeFlorida vakaungana sechikamu chekurwisa [mutungamiri wekurudyi] Richard Spencer. Mushure mekunge iye nevateveri vake vakonzera nyonganyonga yose muCharlottesville, Va., akazivisa kuti akanga achiuya kuGainesville, Fla. Uye takatanga kuronga. Mubatanidzwa wakatsigira dzidziso-zve nezve Holocaust, nezve homophobia. Mubatanidzwa iwoyo waive nenhengo dzeVadzidzi veJustice muPalestine nemasangano evadzidzi vechiJudha. Taive neboka rose revanhu vakauya pamwechete se mubato wakabatana. Takanzi nehutungamiriri hwedu hweyunivhesiti, hutungamiri hweguta uye hutungamiriri hwehurumende kuti timire pasi, kuti tingorega murume wacho achipinda nemakororo ake efascist. Hatina kuita izvozvo. Uye naMwari, takarega mbongoro yake.
Ndiwo matauriro atinoita kusawirirana kwedu — kuita kuti vanhu vashande pamushandirapamwe watinogona kushanda nawo takabatana.
Bhiridha: Ndinowanzoudza vanhu kuti tinofanira kusiyanisa mazombies kubva kuvanhu. Tine ruzhinji rwevanhu vane njere, asi pane iyi musimboti wakasimba uri kufamba uchienda kuFascism, uye ine bapiro rakashonga. Uye kune vanhu vane hasha verudyi vanozoshandisa mumwe mutauro wedu uri kusimukira wehupfumi voushandisa, saka tinofanira kufunga kuita chimwe chinhu zvakasiyana.
PAURO: Muchitsauko changu chemubatanidzwa, chinhu chimwe chatakaedza kutevera imusimboti uyu wekuvepo kune vamwe vanhu nezvimwe zvinokonzeresa. Kana paine dambudziko rekugara rakachipa, kurwira kodzero yezvakatipoteredza, dambudziko revapoteri muFlorida — uye nguva dzose — tinofanira kusimuka kuti tivepo nepatinogona napo.
Kurudyi kwakatora nzvimbo dzakaita seTexas neFlorida nekuti vaona kuti haufanirwe kunge uri weruzhinji kuti utore masimba edare reparamende muTallahassee — iyo yagara iri nzvimbo yekupokana kubva kare. Kwandiri, izvo zvinotitungamira kuti tifunge kuburikidza nemaitiro ekuvaka mubatanidzwa. Semurongi wevashandi, zvese zvinoenderana nekutsvaga vanhu. Ndiko kuenderera mberi kwekutaura kwatanga tichishaya, uye denda repasi rose rinotirwadzisa zvikuru. Tinofanira kutanga izvozvo zvakare.
Tine mimwe mienzaniso yakanaka. Makore mashoma apfuura, takapasa kudzoreredzwa kwekodzero dzekuvhota. Mudzimai wangu Sheila, kupfurikidza neAlachua County Labor Coalition, akatungamirira nhimbe iyoyo murutivi rwedu rwenyika. Tine masiginicha anoda kusvika miriyoni. Uye vamwe vevanhu vakasaina vakatiudza zvakanyanya kuti vaive Trumpers. Zvaida kuteerera, kubuda munzvimbo dzedu dzatakanaka. Ndinoreva, takaenda kuYunivhesiti yeFlorida nhabvu mitambo kuti titore masaini.
Bhiridha: Muna 2021, ndakasangana nevatungamiriri vemubatanidzwa wenyika vangangosvika gumi nevaviri. Ndanga ndichigadzirira imwe mhando yedzidzo yevashandi — ndakaidaidza kuti “koreji yehondo” — kudzidzisa vatungamiri nevashandi varikuuya mukuronga mazano, mazano, mishandirapamwe, nezvemari. Mhinduro yandakawana yaiva yokuti, “Izvozvo hazvina basa nokuti tine mapurogiramu edzidzo yebasa nemasangano kana mayunivhesiti akaita seHarvard neRutgers.” Ndakati, “Zvakanaka. Asi zvirongwa izvozvo zvedzidzo yebasa zvakagadzirira vatungamiri vako kuita sei kana Ndira 6 abudirira?” Kwaiva kunyarara.
Ndakabva ndati, “Zvingani zvezvirongwa izvozvo zviri kugadzirira vatungamiri vako zvekuita kana zvikaitika zvakare? Kana paine kutyisa kwebapiro rekurudyi, kana paine kurambidzwa kwemutemo? Zvino vakabva vanyarara zvakare.
PAURO: Aya masangano anoronga zvikoro nenzvimbo ari kuita basa guru. Ndinofara zvikuru kuti University of California system iri kugadzira nzvimbo itsva dzevashandi. Asi izvo zvingaenderana sei nenyaya yekuti koreji huru yega yega munyika ino ine chikoro chebhizimisi uye mazhinji acho anodzidzisa zvine utsinye dzidziso yekurwisa basa kubva pazuva rokutanga?
Pachinhu chinonyanya kukosha, kusvika Ndira 6 achibudirira, handifunge kuti hapana chavakaita kunze kwekuvhiringika. Ini handifunge kuti vane pfungwa ipi neipi yemabasa akaitwa nemasangano mukurwisa fascism. Mazhinji esangano revashandi remuUS rema1930 aive antifascist. Mienzaniso inocherechedzwa yaive yeTampa-based Tobacco Workers Industrial Union uye basa raPaul Robeson neMine, Mill neSmelter Workers. VechiFascist vakaona bato revashandi sechinhu chinotyisa zvokuti apo vaFascist pavakatora masimba muItaly muma 1920, semuenzaniso, chinhu chokutanga chavakaita kwaiva kuparadza mibatanidzwa.
Wandipa chiitiko chinotyisa, Bill. Ndinogona kungofungidzira mibatanidzwa yedu ichidonha semadomino.
Bhiridha: Unoitei kana ukanzwa nhengo dzesangano rekuruboshwe kana dzisiri dzekuruboshwe dzichiti mutsauko we “Basa redu kurwira mihoro, maawa, mamiriro ekushanda”? Kana kuti, “Iwe unouya pano uchitaura zvese izvi nezverudzi nebonde uye fascism — zvinopesanisa”?
PAURO: Kana tikatarisa kubudirira kwenguva refu kwemibatanidzwa yakaita se Dunhu 65 muNew York [mubatanidzwa wemaindasitiri evashandi vanotambira mari shoma wakarongwa muna 1933] uye packinghouse workers' union [mubatanidzwa wekuruboshwe wekudyara nyama wakakura kubva muCIO’s 1937 Packinghouse Workers Organising Committee], vakanga vaine utera hwavo, asi vakabatana pamwe chete kwete kungoreverera nhengo dzavo, asi kuedza kuva vamiriri veboka rose revashandi. Kwandiri, ndizvo zvatinofanira kuita.
United Faculty of Florida haisati yambotsanangura rusununguko rwedzidzo sekodzero yevadzidzisi yekudzidzisa kirasi, kana kuti kugara sechigaro sekuchengetedzwa kwehupfumi kune mapurofesa anoyemurwa. Isu tagara tichibatanidza izvo zvinhu kune zvakanaka zvevadzidzi vedu uye nharaunda yakakura. Kwandiri, iyi mienzaniso yatinogona kuvaka pairi mumubatanidzwa wese, mumabasa akasiyana, munzvimbo dzakasiyana dzenyika.
ZNetwork inopihwa mari chete kuburikidza nerupo rwevaverengi vayo.
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