Al Jazeera: Mneneri Amosi - yemwe mumamutcha kuti mumamukonda - amalankhula za "machimo atatu omwe ndikhululukire ndi chachinayi chomwe sindidzawakhululukira". Ndi machimo otani omwe mukuwona kuti akuwunjika pakati pa anthu?
Chomsky: Tilibe nthawi yokwanira yodutsamo. Tiyeni tiyambe ndi zodziwikiratu. Ndikukhulupirira kuti mumaidziwa bwino Doomsday Clock of the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists. Tsopano yapititsidwa patsogolo mpaka masekondi 90 mpaka pakati pausiku.
Pakati pausiku ngati kuthetsedwa kwa zochitika za anthu pa Dziko Lapansi, kuthamangira ku chiwopsezo cha nkhondo ya nyukiliya. Chiwopsezo cha tsoka lanyengo chomwe chikubwera chikuwonjezeka - Israeli adzakhala m'modzi mwa omwe akuvutika kwambiri.
Ndipo atsogoleri athu, tchimo lawo lalikulu ndikuti akuthamangira ku tsoka. Pano tikukumbukira zaka 20 zakubadwa kwa US ku Iraqโฆupandu woipitsitsa kwambiri wazaka za zana lino, ukukumbukiridwa pano. Asitikali ankhondo aku US adangotumiza chombo chake chaposachedwa kwambiri ndikuchitcha kuti USS Fallujah pokumbukira chimodzi mwazankhanza kwambiri zomwe zidachitika ku US. Fallujah anali ... mzinda wokongola. Asilikali apanyanja adawuukira, adawononga, kupha anthu masauzande ambiri ... Anthu akufabe ndi zida zomwe zidagwiritsidwa ntchito ndi phosphorous, uranium yatha.
Ndizoposa zankhanza, ndizophiphiritsira. Yang'anani pazaka zapitazi za 20, muwone ngati mungapeze chiganizo chimodzi paliponse pafupi ndi anthu ambiri omwe amati kuwukira kwa Iraq kunali mlandu - unali mlandu woipitsitsa wazaka za 20th. Kudzudzula koipitsitsa komwe mungapange kunali 'kulakwitsa'. Zakonzedwanso, kukonzedwanso kuti ziwonetsedwe - ngakhale ndi ofotokoza zaufulu - ngati kulephera kupulumutsa anthu aku Iraq kwa wolamulira wankhanza, zomwe sizikugwirizana kwenikweni ndi chifukwa chomwe nkhondo idayambira.
Ndipo kupitilira apo, imanyalanyaza mfundo yaying'ono yomwe United States idathandizira kwambiri Saddam Hussein panthawi yomwe adachita zolakwa zake zowopsa, kuphatikiza zinthu monga kupha anthu aku Iraqi ndi kupha anthu a Halabja, zida zankhondo, kupha anthu mazana masauzande aku Irani. US idakondwera, kumuthandiza mpaka kalekale.
Chifukwa chake tsopano, mbiri idamangidwanso kotero kuti timayesa 'kupulumutsa ma Iraqi' kwa munthu yemwe timamuthandiza kwambiri. Anthu aku Iraq sadali kufuula kwenikweni kuti apulumutsidwe m'dziko lomwe lidapereka zilango muzaka za m'ma 1990 zomwe zinali zankhanza komanso zakupha kotero kuti panali akazembe otsogola apadziko lonse lapansi omwe adasiya ntchito chifukwa amawaona ngati opha anthu. Koma umu ndi momwe magulu a aluntha adakwanitsa kumanganso milandu ya boma. Pali anthu amene amatsutsa mozungulira periphery. Inu simumva mawu awo, iwo ali osankhidwa. Kodi mukufuna kuphunzira za USS Fallujah? Inu simuwerenga izo mu zosindikizira American. Mutha kuziwerenga m'mawu ofotokozera m'mphepete momwe anthu ngati ine adatha kudziwa za izi, osati kuchokera ku atolankhani aku America, koma kuchokera ku Al Jazeera.
Al Jazeera: Netanyahu atangosankhidwa mu 1996, mudaneneratu kuti kusintha kuchoka ku Labor kupita ku Likud kudzakhala kalembedwe kake kuposa zinthu ndipo, pamapeto pake, Netanyahu wa ku America adzasintha kuti agwirizane ndi kalembedwe kameneka kwa anthu aku America. Kuyang'ana m'mbuyo pa nthawi ya Netanyahu, kodi mudalondola pamanenedwe awa?
Chomsky: Kwa zaka zingapo, zambiri kapena zochepa. Koma kupyola mu 2000s, ndale za Israeli zidasintha, Netanyahu adasunthira kumanja. Amadziwabe kulankhula ndi omuthandizira ake ku United States. Muyenera kukumbukira, malingaliro ku United States okhudza Israeli asintha. Israeli kale anali wokondedwa wa gulu lachiyuda lomasuka ku America.
Chabwino, izo zinayamba kusintha ... tsopano, chithandizo chachikulu cha Israeli ndi gulu la evangelical lakumanja lomwe lakhala landale zaka 20 kapena 30 zapitazi monga ochirikiza amphamvu a Israeli, makamaka pazifukwa zotsutsana ndi Ayuda. Pakadali pano, omasuka, ma Democrat omasuka achoka. Yang'anani pa kafukufuku wotsiriza: pakati pa a Democrats, pali chifundo chambiri kwa anthu a Palestina kuposa Israeli. Ndizowona makamaka pakati pa achinyamata, kuphatikizapo Ayuda achichepere.
Netanyahu amamvetsetsa United States, kotero akupempha kwambiri chigawo chake chakumanja komanso kumanja. Chifukwa chake atapita kukalankhula nawo pamsonkhano wapa Congress kuti adzudzule zomwe a Obama adachita kuti akhazikitse mgwirizano ndi Iran pa zida za nyukiliya, amalankhula ndi anthu aku America omwe amamuthandiza, mapiko amanja, mbali yakumanja, ndi mapiko oyenera. ndi alaliki.
Ndi wandale waluso, wasintha machitidwe ake.
Al Jazeera: Mwanena kuti zomwe Israeli sanachite osaloledwa ndi boma ndizotheka chifukwa cha thandizo la US. Ndipo komabe tikuwona Netanyahu akuchititsa manyazi Democratic Party ndi zolankhula zake pamaso pa Congress mu 2015, pamodzi ndi chithandizo chake chapagulu pakusankhidwanso kwa Donald Trump mu 2018. Ndipo nkhondo ya sabata yapitayi ya mawu ndi Purezidenti Biden. Kodi Netanyahu akudziwa china chake chomwe sitikudziwa za kuchepa kwa mphamvu zapadziko lonse zaku America? Kapena akutchova juga kuti apitirizebe kuthandizira ku United States mosasamala kanthu ndi khalidwe lake?
Chomsky: United States ikugawanika kwambiri - momwemonso Israeli. Aka ndi nthawi yoyamba kuti utsogoleri wa Israeli uphwanyidwe poyera ndi utsogoleri wa US ... pamene Smotrich ndi Ben-Gvir ndipo nthawi zina Netanyahu amati: 'Tidzanyalanyaza zomwe mukufuna,' poyera komanso mopanda manyazi kwa utsogoleri wa America, izi ndi zatsopano.
Posachedwapa, Israeli mwina sankakonda ndondomeko za US, koma pamene United States inafuna kuti ichite chinachake, idzachita. Izi zinali choncho kwa Purezidenti aliyense waku US mpaka Obama. Trump, zachidziwikire, adapita kukapatsa Israeli chilichonse chomwe angafune, pokonda mphamvu za Israeli, chiwawa komanso kuponderezana. Anazindikira kulandidwa kwa Golan Heights, kulandidwa kwa Yerusalemu, kuchirikiza mfundo zokhazikitsira zonse zomwe zikuphwanya osati malamulo apadziko lonse lapansi komanso mfundo za US. US idathandizira zigamulo za Security Council zomwe zidaletsa Israeli kulanda Golan Heights ndi Jerusalem. Trump adasintha zonsezi. โฆ Anachitanso chimodzimodzi ndi dziko la Morocco, pozindikira kuti dziko la Morocco linalanda dziko la Western Sahara, zomwe zikufanana ndi mmene dziko la Palestina lilili.
Koma akuluakulu aboma watsopano, makamaka otsogola monga Ben-Gvir, Bezalel Smotrich, akungouza United States kuti: 'Sokera.' Netanyahu wanena mawu amphamvu kwambiri, akuti: 'Ndife dziko lodzilamulira, tidzachita zomwe tikufuna.' Aka kanali koyamba kuti mkanganowu ukhale womveka bwino ndipo sizikudziwika kuti dziko la United States liyankha bwanji.
Zaka ziwiri kapena zitatu zapitazo ... nthumwi ya US ku Nyumba ya Oyimilira, Betty McCollum, adakhazikitsa lamulo loti dziko la United States liganizirenso za thandizo lankhondo la US ku Israeli malinga ndi malamulo a US [omwe] akhala akuphwanyidwa ndi thandizo la US ku Israel. Sindinafike patali.
Masiku angapo apitawo, Bernie Sanders adakhazikitsa lamulo loletsa thandizo la US ku Israeli ... ndikupempha kuti afufuze za mkangano wake ndi malamulo a US omwe amaletsa thandizo lankhondo la US kudziko lililonse lomwe likuphwanya ufulu wa anthu. A IDF [gulu lankhondo la Israeli] akukhudzidwa ... ndiye ngati pali kafukufuku pankhaniyi, zitha kuyambitsa mkangano wokhudzana ndi zovomerezeka za thandizo la US ku Israeli.
Chabwino, ine ndikuganiza zonsezi zikhoza kubweretsa kusintha kwakukulu m'tsogolo ... Zimachokera kumlingo waukulu pakusintha kwakukulu kwa maganizo a anthu. Ndikhoza kunena izi kuchokera pa zomwe ndakumana nazo, ndakhala ndikukamba nkhani, kulemba ndi zina zotero za Israeli-Palestine. Mpaka posachedwa, ndimayenera kukhala ndi chitetezo cha apolisi ndikakamba nkhani pasukulupo chifukwa cha chiwawa cha magulu ankhondo ochirikiza Israeli. Apolisi anaumirira kuti andiperekeze ku galimoto yanga titakamba nkhani chifukwa choopseza. Ngakhale pasukulu yangayanga, apolisi a mumzinda ndi apolisi a pasukulupo akanakhalapo ndikamakamba nkhani. Zimenezo zinasintha kwambiri.
Pomwe zidasinthira ndizodziwikiratu: Opaleshoni Ndikutsogolera. Zimenezo zinali zankhanza kwambiri, zachiwawa, ndipo achinyamata sankafunanso kuchita zimenezi. Ndikuganiza kuti imeneyo inali nsonga yeniyeni. Mutha kuziwona bwino muzinthu monga zokambirana pamasukulu, ngakhale masukulu ovomerezeka a Israeli ngati University of Brandeis ... adasintha kwambiri. Awa ndi makhalidwe a achinyamata amene atikhudza kwambiri tonsefe mโtsogolomu. Ndiye pali mikangano ikuchitika. Inu simukuziwona izo mu ndondomeko, koma ine ndikuganiza inu mukhoza kuwona zoyambira zake.
Al Jazeera: Mwadzudzula Khothi Lalikulu la Israeli powona Israeli ngati dziko lodziyimira pawokha la Ayudaโฆ koma osati ngati nzika zake. Panthawi imodzimodziyo, mwawonapo nthawi zomwe khotilo linateteza ufulu wa anthu a ku Palestine, monga mlandu wa 2000 umene khotilo linanena kuti midzi ya Katzir yomwe inamangidwa kudzera mu bungwe la Jewish Agency for Israel silingavomereze tsankho kwa banja la Palestina. [Khotilo linagamula kuti anthu a ku Palestine sangachotsedwe mโgululi.] Kodi maganizo anu onse ndi otani ponena za khotilo?
Chomsky: Khothi Lalikulu la Israeli ... lili ndi mbiri yabwino yokhudzana ndi nzika zachiyuda za Israeli. Ponena za Palestine ku Israeli, sizinali zabwino.
Pali milandu ingapo, ngati yomwe mudatchula ku Katzir, koma zindikirani kuti inali 2000. M'chaka cha 2000, kwa nthawi yoyamba, khotilo linanena kuti kuthetsa sikungathe kupatula nzika za Israeli zomwe ndi Palestine. Ndizodabwitsa kwambiri kuti kwachedwa. Ndipo kwenikweni, mwachiwonekere anthu ammudzi ku Katzir apeza njira zopewera chisankho. Ndikuganiza kuti banja la Palestine silinathe ngakhale kubwera kwa theka la zaka khumi ndi ziwiri ndi zida zina zidakhazikitsidwa kuyesa kupeza njira zozungulira chisankho.
Komabe, mkati mwa Israeli moyenera, khothi - silili pamwamba pa kutsutsidwa - koma lili ndi mbiri yabwino. Monga ndikutsimikiza, mukudziwa, pakhala kutsutsidwa, Moshe Negbi, mtolankhani wotsogola waku Israeli pankhani zamalamulo ... anali wokhudzidwa kwambiri ndi nkhani zakatangale ndi zina zambiri, komanso amalankhula za momwe amachitira ndi nkhani za Palestine mkati mwa Israeli.
M'madera olandidwaโฆ bwalo lamilandu lili ndi mbiri yoyipa. Khothi Lalikulu Kwambiri ku Israeli ndilo bungwe lokhalo loweruza padziko lonse lapansi lomwe silizindikira kuti pali ntchito ... ndi ... madera omwe akuyendetsedwa. Izi zakanidwa ndi Khothi Ladziko Lonse, boma lililonse lomwe ndimalidziwa, kuphatikiza United States, Red Cross. Aliyense sagwirizana ndi Israeli ndipo Khoti Lalikulu Kwambiri limayendera limodzi ndi boma. Khothi Lalikulu lamilandu nthawi zonse limavomereza kukhazikika kosaloledwa, njira zogwirira anthu mosaloledwa, zoletsa zankhanza kwa anthu aku Palestine m'madera omwe agwidwa, pafupifupi zochitika zachiwawa za tsiku ndi tsiku. Nthawi zina zimachedwetsa kuchitapo kanthu pang'ono. Koma mbiri yonseyi ndi yodabwitsa. Ndiye ndi nkhani yogawanika.
Al Jazeera: Mwakhala mukulimbikitsa kwanthawi yayitali kuti pakhale njira yothetsera mikangano ya Israeli ndi Palestina ndi njira yamayiko awiri potengera mgwirizano wapadziko lonse lapansi ngati njira yokhayo yovomerezeka. Mukukhulupirirabe kuti iyi ndiye yankho labwino kwambiri?
Chomsky: Chabwino, pali mkangano waukulu tsopano pakati pa mgwirizano wa mayiko awiri a mayiko awiri ndi dziko limodzi lomwe likuthandizidwa kwambiri ndi ndemanga zambiri, kuphatikizapo odziwa zambiri monga ku United States, monga Ian Lustick mwachitsanzo.
Koma pali chinachake cholakwika ndi mkangano umenewo. Ikusiya njira ina yachitatu, yomwe ikugwiritsidwa ntchito mwadongosolo ndi Israeli, kuyambira 1969 kapena kupitilira apo, ndikukhazikitsa 'Israeli Wamkulu', yomwe idzatenge. Chilichonse chomwe chili chamtengo wapatali kwa Israeli chidzasiya kuchuluka kwa anthu aku Palestina.
Chifukwa chake, Israeli sakufuna kuphatikiza Nablus mkati mwa zomwe zidzakhale 'Israeli Wamkulu'. Ayenera kusunga Ayuda ambiri m'dziko latsankho, lolamulidwa ndi Ayuda. Chotero izo zikutanthauza kulanda Chigwa cha Yordano, kuthamangitsa anthu. Chonamizira chimodzi kapena china chimagwiritsidwa ntchito ... kenako chimasanduka midzi yachiyuda. Amalanda matawuni aku West Bank ngati Maale Adumim, omangidwa makamaka m'zaka za m'ma 1990, nyumba zabwino zothandizidwa ndi boma ... Mutha kuchoka ku nyumba yanu yothandizidwa ndi ndalama ku Maaleh Adumim kupita kuntchito yanu ku Tel Aviv ndipo osadziwa kuti kuli anthu aku Palestine. Pakali pano, ma Palestine omwe atsala m'zigawo zomwe Israeli akuphatikiza ndikukonzekera kulanda agawika mu ... kuthyola azitona awo ndi zina zotero, kutsekeredwa mโndende.
Ndipo lingaliro ndikuyesera kuwona ngati tingangowachotsa mwanjira ina, kuwapangitsa kusiya mikhalidwe yosapiririka. Pakadali pano, posachedwapa, masiku angapo apitawo, boma lachipembedzo lokonda dziko lakutali, lakulitsa ufulu wakukhazikika kwa Israeli ku West Bank, zomwe Israeli imatcha Western Samariaโฆ [kufunafuna] kuphatikiza mu Israeli chilichonse chomwe Israeli ali nacho madera olandidwa. Yerusalemu tsopano mwina kuwirikiza kasanu momwe zinaliri m'mbiri, kutenga midzi yozungulira kuonetsetsa kuti Ayuda ambiri. Pali njira, osati mwachizolowezi, pang'onopang'ono, pang'onopang'ono ... pansi pa radar. Pakalipano, Achiisrayeli achichepere sakudziwa nkomwe kuti pali mzere wobiriwira.
Ngati mukufuna kuyankhula za zotsatira za nthawi yayitali, simungangolankhula za dziko limodzi ndi mayiko awiri. Muyenera kulankhula za zomwe zikuchitika, 'Israeli Wamkulu'. Ndikumvetsetsa malingaliro a oyimira boma limodzi, koma ndikuganiza ... ndizosatheka kuti Israeli ivomereze kudziwononga yokha ndikukhala Ayuda ochepa omwe ali m'boma lolamulidwa ndi Palestina, zomwe ndizomwe zikuwonetsa. Ndipo palibe chithandizo chapadziko lonse lapansi kwa izo. Palibe. Chifukwa chake kumverera kwanga ndekha ndikusankha zenizeni ndi 'Israeli Wamkulu', kapena kusunthira kumtundu wina wamitundu iwiri. Nthawi zambiri zimanenedwa kuti izi sizingatheke chifukwa cha ntchito yayikulu yokhazikitsa. Mwina, mwina ayi. Ndikuganiza kuti ngati dziko la United States likuumirira, likuganiza kuti ligwirizane ndi dziko lonse lapansi kuti lithandizire kukhazikika kwa mayiko awiri, osati mongolankhula, koma pochita, Israeli adzakumana ndi chisankho chovuta kwambiri.
Muyenera kuyang'ana m'mbuyo ndikuwona zomwe ndondomeko ya Israeli yakhala zaka 50 zapitazi. Bwererani ku zaka za m'ma 1970 ... pamene zisankho zoyambira zidapangidwa. M'zaka za m'ma 1970, bungwe la UN Security Council linali kutsutsana ndi chigamulo chofuna kukhazikitsidwa kwa mayiko awiri, pamalire a mayiko, mwina kusintha pang'ono, koma kukhazikika kwa mayiko awiri komwe kuli chitsimikizo cha ufulu wa dziko lililonse kukhala mwamtendere. ndi chitetezo m'malire otetezeka ndi odziwika.
Israeli adatsutsidwa kwambiri. Yitzhak Rabin, nthumwi ya UN, anadzudzula mwaukali. Israeli anakana ngakhale kupezeka pamisonkhano. Anathandizidwa ndi Egypt, Jordan, Syria, zomwe zimatchedwa 'confrontation states'. Pali mbiri yayitali yapadziko lonse lapansi, mavoti mu General Assembly pazosankha zofanana, mavoti ngati 150 mpaka 3, United States, Israel ndi mayiko omwe amadalira US. Israel idaganiza mu 1970s, idapanga chisankho choyipa chosankha kukulitsa chitetezo. Izi zikutanthauza kuti Israeli idadalira chitetezo chake ndi kuthandizidwa ndi United States. Ndiko kugula. Ngati musankha kukulitsa pachitetezo, mumadalira dziko lamphamvu. Ngati US isintha mfundo zake, Israeli ali ndi zisankho zovuta kupanga.
Al Jazeera: Ndi anzeru ochepa omwe ayambitsa mikangano yayikulu kuposa inuyo. Kodi mumanong'oneza bondo chifukwa cha maudindo omwe mwatenga kapena osawatenga okhudzana ndi kumemera kwanu?
Chomsky: Pakuti sanatenge, inde. Sindikanabweza zomwe ndatenga, koma pali zinthu zambiri zomwe ndimayenera kuchita zomwe sindinachite. Ndinali, malinga ndi miyezo ya US, wotsutsa oyambirira kwambiri pa nkhondo ya Vietnam. Ndinakhala wokangalika potsutsa nkhondo kumayambiriro kwa zaka za m'ma 1960 ... koma zinali mochedwa kwambiri. Zikadakhala zaka 10 m'mbuyomo pomwe US โโidayamba kuthandizira kuyeserera kwa France kuti igonjetsenso dziko lawo lakale ndipo, pomwe a French adalephera, US idalanda, kusokoneza mgwirizano wa Geneva, idakhazikitsa kasitomala kumwera komwe kudapha 60 [zikwi] kapena anthu 70,000. Apa mโpamene zionetsero zimayenera kuyamba. Kufikira chakumapeto kwa zaka za mโma 1960, panalibe chitsutso cholinganizidwa kwenikweni. Izi zinali zaupandu ndipo ndikadayamba kale, zomwezo pazinthu zina.
Tengani Israyeli, nkhani yaikulu mโmoyo wanga kuyambira ndili mwana. Ndinayamba kuyankhula poyera za chikhalidwe chaupandu chomwe Israeli adachita mu 1969 - zikadayenera kuti zidachitika kale. Ndinkadziwa za kuponderezedwa kwa anthu aku Palestine ku Israel. Ndinazionera ndekha โฆ Mu 1953, ndinakhala ku Israel kwa miyezi ingapo ku kibbutz, yomwe panthawiyo inali maziko ofikira anthu achiarabu ndi Palestina. Sindinkadziwa Chiarabu mokwanira kuti ndizitha kutsata zokambirana. Ndipo ndidapita, nthawi zina ndimayenda ndi munthu wa ku kibbutz yemwe amayendetsa ntchito yofikira anthu achiarabu ... ndidapita naye kumidzi, ndikumva madandaulo a anthu akumidzi kuti samatha kuwoloka msewu kukalankhula ndi anthu mwaubwenzi pokhapokha ngati anapita kukamenya nkhondo kuti apeze chilolezo chodutsa msewu.
Ndinkathanso kuona kuponderezana komanso ... kunyoza Ayuda omwe sanali a Ashkenazi Moroccan. Zinthu zonsezi zikanayenera kukambidwa. Sindinatenge nawo mbali mpaka nkhondo ya 67 itatha ndipo Israeli adayambitsa ndondomeko zake zokhazikika ndi chitukuko m'madera omwe adalandidwa, zomwe zinakula ndikupangitsa kuti zikhale zovuta. Ndinali wofatsa kwambiri pakudzudzula kwanga komanso mochedwa kwambiri.
Al Jazeera: Abraham Joshua Heschel, yemwenso anatsutsa mwamphamvu nkhondo ku Vietnam, adalongosola navi [mneneri] kuti ndi 'munthu wachisoni yemwe moyo wake ndi moyo wake uli pachiwopsezo pa zomwe akunena, komabe adatha kuzindikira kuusa kwachete. mavuto aumunthu'. Ena akamaganizira za ntchito yanu, kodi zingakhale zolondola kufotokoza Noam Chomsky ngati navi?
Chomsky: Kodi navi ndi chiyani? Ndi mawu osadziwika bwino osadziwika bwino. Mwinanso kubwereka kwa Akkadi, koma palibe amene akudziwa. Anthu omwe ankatchedwa navien anali ofanana kwambiri ndi omwe masiku ano tingawatchule kuti ndi anzeru otsutsa. Iwo anali anthu omwe amatsutsa kusanthula kwa geopolitical, anachenjeza kuti Mafumu Oipa anali kutsogolera anthu achiyuda ku tsoka, kutsutsa zolakwa ndi nkhanza za mafumu, kuitanitsa chifundo kwa akazi amasiye ndi ana amasiye.
Pafupifupi zinthu zambiri zomwe zimatchedwa kuti malingaliro anzeru osagwirizana, ndipo amachitiridwa momwe anzeru osagwirizana nthawi zambiri amachitira - moyipa. Kuthamangitsidwa kuchipululu. Kumangidwa. Eliya ankatchedwa kuti Wodana ndi Aisiraeli chifukwa analimba mtima kudzudzula Mfumu Yoipayo. Chabwino, ndizodziwika, ili ndi zomveka zake m'mbiri yonse mpaka pano. Mwachiwonekere si zaka 2,500 zapitazo, [ndi] dziko losiyanaโฆ [koma] makhalidwe ena ofanana.
Al Jazeera: Kodi pali chilichonse mnyumba mwanu chomwe chili chikumbutso chakuthupi kuchokera paulendo wanu wopita ku Israel ndi Palestine? Ndipo zikuimira chiyani?
Chomsky: Chabwino, ndili ndi chikumbutso chimodzi chakuthupi. Ndinachitola mumsasa wa othaลตa kwawo ku Kalandia pamene msasawo unali woletsedwa ndi asilikali panthaลตi ya Intifada yoyamba. Ndi anzanga angapo, Israel, anzanga a Palestine, ndinakwanitsa kuthetsa lamulo loletsa kuyenda panyumba, kupyolera mumsewu wakumbuyo. Tinatha kuyenda mozungulira msasawo kwa kanthaลตi tisananyamulidwe ndi asilikali olondera a Israyeli. Ndinayankhula ndi anthu amene anatsekeredwa mโnyumba zawo cha uko, pa mipanda. Ndidatola chitini - sindine katswiri wokwanira wankhondo kuti ndikuuzeni chomwe chinali, ndikuganiza kuti chinali chimbudzi chokhetsa misozi - chomwe chidasiyidwa ndi asitikali aku Israeli omwe amachiwukira. Kotero chimenecho ndi chikumbutso chimodzi, cha nthawi yosangalatsa.
Al Jazeera: Ndipo zikuyimira chiyani?
Chomsky: Izi zikuyimira kuponderezana kwankhanza, kwankhanza ... m'madera omwe alandidwa tsopano kwa zaka zoposa 50, ziwawa ndi kuponderezana zikuchulukirachulukira ... Pamakhala pafupifupi tsiku lililonse zochitika zamtundu umodzi kapena wina wankhanza, ziwopsezo, kuponderezana ... kuwonera IDF, nthawi zina kuchita nawo. Mukapita ku malo ngati Hebroni, nโzodabwitsa kuona.
Ndipo Gaza, ndithudi, ndi woipa kwambiri. Ndakhala ku Gaza ... pakati pa zigawenga zina za Israeli. Ndi ... mlandu wochititsa manyazi ... anthu opitilira mamiliyoni awiri omwe ali m'ndende. Palibe madzi akumwa oti amwe, mphamvu zamagetsi, zimbudzi zowonongedwa ndi ziwawa za Israeli. Asodzi sangadutse mtunda wopitilira makilomita angapo kupyola madzi omwe ali ndi zimbudzi: Maboti amfuti a Israeli amawalowetsa mkati. Uwu ndi umodzi mwamilandu yayikulu masiku ano. Mapiri a Golan. Palibe amene amalankhulanso za izo. Izi zidangotengedwa mophwanya chigamulo chogwirizana mu Security Council chomwe chinasinthidwa ndi Trump. Zinthu zonsezi ndi Israeli wamakono.
ZNetwork imalandira ndalama kudzera mu kuwolowa manja kwa owerenga ake.
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