Purezidenti Trump akuyembekezeka kusaina lamulo Lachiwiri kuti athetse malamulo angapo anyengo omwe adakhazikitsidwa ndi Purezidenti Obama. Lamuloli ndi gawo loyamba lothetsa dongosolo la Purezidenti Obama la Clean Power Plan kuti achepetse kutulutsa kwamagetsi. Lamuloli lidawonedwa ngati chinthu chofunikira kwambiri pakulonjeza kwa US kuti achepetse kutulutsa mpweya monga gawo la Pangano la Paris la 2015. Lamulo la a Trump likuyembekezekanso kuletsa malamulo oletsa kutulutsa mpweya wa methane ndikutsegula chitseko cha migodi yambiri ya malasha ndikuphwanyidwa m'malo aboma. Kuti timve zambiri, timalankhula ndi Rebecca Solnit, m'modzi mwa olemba odziwika kwambiri mdziko muno, yemwe wakhala zaka zambiri akulemba zakusintha kwanyengo. Ndiwolemba mabuku opitilira 20, kuphatikiza, posachedwa, "Amayi a Mafunso Onse."
JUAN GONZALEZ: Purezidenti Trump akuyembekezeka kusaina lamulo lalikulu lero kuti athetse malamulo angapo anyengo omwe adakhazikitsidwa ndi Purezidenti Obama. Lamuloli likuwonetsa gawo loyamba losintha dongosolo la Obama la Clean Power Plan kuti achepetse kutulutsa kwamagetsi. Lamuloli lidawonedwa ngati chinthu chofunikira kwambiri pakulonjeza kwa US kuti achepetse kutulutsa mpweya ngati gawo la mgwirizano wa Paris wa 2015. Lamulo la a Trump likuyembekezekanso kuletsa malamulo oletsa kutulutsa mpweya wa methane ndikutsegula chitseko cha migodi yambiri ya malasha ndikuphwanyidwa m'malo aboma. Kuphatikiza apo, dongosololi likuyembekezeka kutha kwathunthu mu 2013 Climate Action Plan ya Purezidenti Obama, yomwe idafotokoza momwe boma la federal limathandizira kuthana ndi kusintha kwanyengo.
AMY GOODMAN: Timathera ola lonseli ndi m'modzi mwa olemba odziwika kwambiri mdziko muno, Rebecca Solnit, yemwe adalemba zakusintha kwanyengo kwazaka zambiri, kuphatikiza wina wowerengedwa kwambiri. nkhani mutu wakuti โImbani kusintha kwanyengo kuti: chiwawa.โ Iye analemba kuti: โKusintha kwa nyengo ndi chiwawa chimene chikuchitika padziko lonse, chokhudza malo ndi zamoyo, komanso kwa anthu. Tikangotchula dzinalo, tingayambe kukambirana zenizeni za zinthu zofunika kwambiri ndi zimene timayendera. Chifukwa chakuti kuukira nkhanza kumayamba ndi kupandukira chinenero chimene chimabisa nkhanza zimenezo.โ
Rebecca Solnit ndi wolemba mabuku oposa 20, posachedwapa, Mayi wa Mafunso Onse. Iyenso ndi wolemba nkhani ku Harper a magazini.
Ndibwino kuti wabweranso, Rebecca. Kodi mungayambe kunena za kusintha kwa nyengo ndi kutha kwa malamulo, omwe ambiri adapeza kuti akusowa ngakhale m'zaka za Obama, koma Purezidenti Trump akuchotsa izo?
REBECCA SOLINIT: Choyamba, aliyense amene akudabwa sanali kulabadira ngakhale chisankho chisanachitike. Koma ndikudziwa kuti a Bill McKibben adalankhula za izi pang'ono dzulo, kuti kutsika kwamitengo yazongowonjezera sikungatheke. Mpweya wachilengedwe wakhala ngati malasha kwa kanthawi, koma sizikutanthauza kuti siwowopsa. Ndipo zimandiwawa kwambiri mmawa uno kumva nkhani iyi. Koma, mukudziwa, tidzamenyana. Ndipo chimodzi mwazinthu, kuyankhula ngati waku California, munthawi yaulamuliro wa Bush, zisankho zambiri zokhudzana ndi nyengo zidaperekedwa kumayiko. Ndipo, mukudziwa, California idayenera kulimbana ndi kayendetsedwe ka Bush pakukhazikitsa miyezo yotulutsa mpweya wamagalimoto. Ngakhale kuposa momwe tinalili nthawi imeneyo, tidzamenyana. Tikhazikitsa miyezo yotulutsa mpweya. Tidzatsogolera kuchoka ku mafuta oyambira. Ndipo pali masikelo osiyanasiyana - pali miyeso yapadziko lonse lapansi, masikelo am'deralo, masikelo aboma -anthu amatha kupitilizabe kugwira ntchito pomwe akukana utsogoleriwu, koma podziwa kuti, chabwino, titha kuwaletsa kuchita zinthu, osawapangitsa kuti achite. ntchito yaikulu ya nyengo, kotero-kapena mwinamwake, chabwino, kuti tikhoza kuwagonjetsa posachedwapa, kudumpha patsogolo pang'ono.
JUAN GONZALEZ: Chabwino, mwalemba zambiri za momwe kukana kungawonekere pansi pa Purezidenti Trump. Kodi uthenga wanu ndi wotani kwa anthu ambiri omwe akupitirizabe kukhumudwa akamawona nkhani, tsiku ndi tsiku, zatsopano za kayendetsedwe ka kayendetsedwe kake?
REBECCA SOLINIT: Mukudziwa, ndikuganiza kuti kutsutsa komwe kunabuka mwamsanga pambuyo pa chisankho, ndipo kukupitirizabe kugwira ntchito pa anthu othawa kwawo komanso ufulu wa anthu ndi nyengo ndi zina zonse, ndizodabwitsa komanso zamphamvu komanso zopanda kanthu zomwe sindinaziwonepo. Zomwe zimandidetsa nkhawa, patatha zaka 30 zachiwonetsero, ndikuti anthu ambiri amaganiza kuti, "Chabwino, tachita zinazake lero, ndipo sitinawone zotsatira mawa." Chifukwa chake chimodzi mwazinthu zomwe ndakhala ndikulembera The Guardian ndipo kwina kulikonse ndikungoyesa kukumbutsa anthu kuti iyi ndi njira yayitali, yomwe titha kukhala, mukudziwa, magawo oyambilira akufotokozeranso zomwe demokalase itanthauza m'dziko lino, kukonzanso machitidwe omwe anali atafa kale komanso osasunthika kale. -Mukudziwa, Trump ndi chotsatira cha dongosolo losagwira ntchito, osati chifukwa chake. Choncho tili ndi ntchito yaikulu yosintha zinthu. Ndipo anthu akuchitadi zimenezo. Ngati tipitirizabe, ngati ndife anzeru, ngati tili aluso, ngati tili okonda kwambiri mgwirizano kuposa mtundu wangwiro wa nitpicking kusiyana kochepa, ndikuganiza kuti zinthu zodabwitsa zikhoza kuchitika, osati kuti zatsimikiziridwa. . Zimatengera zomwe timachita. Koma ndi mphindi yosangalatsa komanso yosangalatsa, komanso yosweka mtima komanso yowopsa. Ndipo zinthu zimenezo zikhoza kukhala pamodzi.
AMY GOODMAN: Lankhulani za kukana kwenikweni, kaya tikukamba za tsiku lotsatira kukhazikitsidwa kwa Purezidenti Trump, kumene osachepera katatu chiwerengero cha anthu chinatuluka, malo omwewo, omwewo, mukudziwa, nthawi, ndipo anali akazi, Women's. March kwa Washington.
REBECCA SOLINIT: Eya.
AMY GOODMAN: Zina mwazinthu zomwe amadzutsa, ndithudi kusintha kwa nyengo ndi zina zambiri, ufulu wobereka. Ndipo sipanatenge masiku angapo Purezidenti Trump asanapereke lamulo lalikulu, lamulo la gag, lomwe mwina lidawonedwa ndi ambiri. Azimayi amatuluka ndikuyankhula, ndiyeno akupereka lamulo la gag lomwe limati, mukudziwa, padziko lonse, magulu a amayi-mabungwe azaumoyo sakanatha, osati kungopereka mimba, komanso kuyankhula ngati njira, kapena kutaya ndalama zawo.
REBECCA SOLINIT: Ndizoseketsa, mutati "gag order," ndimaganiza zoletsa dongosolo la gag - ndikuganiza kuti ndiye EPA polankhula za nyengo. Pali malamulo ambiri a gag omwe akutuluka muulamulirowu, anthu ambiri omwe akuyesera kuwaletsa m'njira zambiri. Koma anthu alibe mantha. Ndinkaganiza kuti izi zitha kukhala ngati nthawiyo - miyezi ndi zaka pambuyo pa 9/11, pomwe anthu adachita mantha kwambiri, ndipo zimamveka ngati ochepa a ife tikulankhula. Pali anthu ambiri amene akulankhula. Pali magulu 6,000, osachepera, magulu osagawanika omwe apanga kuyesa kukopa ndikukopa andale awo. Pali magulu ambiri atsopano ndi chithandizo chochuluka kwa magulu omwe alipo ozungulira othawa kwawo ndi ufulu wa anthu, othawa kwawo, kuteteza Asilamu. Mukudziwa, mkangano wazaumoyo unali mkangano wokhudza ngati akazi ndi anthu, zomwe sanaziganizire, monga momwe amuna onsewo amanenera kuti, "N'chifukwa chiyani tiyenera kupereka ndalama zothandizira ma mammogram? Chifukwa chiyani tiyenera kubisa mimba? " etc. Kotero, inu mukudziwa, aโ
AMY GOODMAN: Monga ngati amuna alibe chochita ndi mimba.
REBECCA SOLINIT: Mukudziwa, amuna omwe sanabadwe ndi akazi mwina satero, mukudziwa, ndipo akhoza kupita patsogolo tsopano. Koma ndizo-inu mukudziwa, ndikumvabe ngati tikufunika kuthana ndi zomwe zimagwirizanitsa zinthu zonsezi, ndi maziko otani a chiyanjano, umunthu ndi chifundo, kusachita zachiwawa, tikhoza kugwirizanitsa zonsezi, pamene tikupita patsogolo. Koma kukana ndi kodabwitsa pa zinthu zonsezi. Ndipo ndi mayiko. Ndi dipatimenti yachiweruzoโosati mโzochitika zonse, koma nthaลตi zambiriโmagulu achipembedzo ndi anthu ambiri mโboma la chitaganya. Ndipo mawonekedwe amtundu wa Alt National Parks, Alt EPA, Mwala NASA, zinali zosangalatsa kwambiri. Ndipo chimodzi mwazinthu zomwe zimandisangalatsa kwambiri pa zonsezi, ndikuti mphamvu yokhayo yomwe purezidenti ali nayo ndiyo kulamula, ndipo ndi mphamvu ngati malamulowo atsatiridwa. Ndipo inu mukhoza kuwona kuti si dongosolo lotsimikizika panonso. Zikugwadi m'njira zambiri pamene amataya ulemu, amataya chikhulupiriro.
JUAN GONZALEZ: Ndinkafuna kukufunsani zaโmunanena mayiko. Mwakhala mukukhala ku California kwa nthawi yayitali, dziko lomwe pakali pano ndilosiyana kwambiri ndi zomwe zikuchitika ku Washington, DC zikukhudza kusintha kwa nyengo, zokambirana za dziko ndi ndondomeko?
REBECCA SOLINIT: Inde. Tsiku lotsatira chisankhochi, Kevin de Leรณn, pulezidenti wa Senate ya mโboma, ndi mnzake mโnyumba yaingโonoyo anapereka chilengezo chotsutsa, ndipo chinali zinenero ziลตiri monga mbali ya kusamvera. Chinali chinthu chokongola. Jerry Brown, yemwe akufunikabe kusiya kubisala ku California, koma, mukudziwa, wakhalanso wotsutsa momasuka komanso mopanda mantha. Ndife dziko lalikulu. Ndife amodzi mwa mayiko azachuma padziko lonse lapansi. Tili kutali kwenikweni ndi Washington. Ndife dziko la Latino-ambiri pakadali pano. Ndipo ife timayika ndondomeko zathu zathu ndiโmu njira zambiri. Ndipo tikamachita zinthu, zimakonda kutsogolera dziko lonse. Mwa zina chifukwa ndife aakulu kwambiri, mukudziwa, pali kukhudza koteroko. Tikuyesera kukhazikitsa miyezo yatsopano yotulutsa mpweya. Tikupita ku mfundo za mphamvu zongowonjezwdwa m'dziko lonselo zomwe zipangitsa kuti maboma ambiri azigwira ntchito zongowonjezera. Mizinda ngati San Diego yadzipereka kale kuti ipititsenso 100 peresenti. Kotero ife tikuchitadi molingana ndi zikhulupiriro zathu ndipo osalola izo kutisokoneza kwambiri.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndikutanthauza, Kevin de Leรณn akukamba za kupanga dziko kukhala malo opatulika.
REBECCA SOLINIT: Chimene chiri chinthu chokongola. Ndipo ndimamupeza ngati wandale wosangalatsa ngati wokonda zanyengo, womenyera ufulu wachikazi, mukudziwa, ngwazi yomenyera ufulu wa anthu othawa kwawo, mtsogoleri waku Latino. Ndipo ndikuyembekeza kumuwona akupitiriza kuwuka.
AMY GOODMAN: Mwalembanso za nkhondo mkati mwa chipani cha Republican, kukamba zonse zomwe zachitika m'masiku angapo apitawa ndikulephera kwa Trumpcare.
REBECCA SOLINIT: Inde. Ayi, ndikuganiza kuti onse awiri ali m'mavuto osiyanasiyana. Koma chipani cha Republican chili ngati chochititsa chidwi - ndi mtundu wa fracturing. Ndipo mutha kuwona anthu onsewa omwe akuwoneka kuti alibe mfundo zambiri akusankha: Kodi ndibwino kupita ndi Trump kapena kutsutsana naye? Panthawi ina, ndikuganiza kuti adzakhala mu kugwa kwaulere, ndipo makoswe adzakhala akuthamanga kuchoka pa sitimayo yomwe ikumira. Koma, mukudziwa, akunenanso kuti tili ndi alonda ambiri akale monga Lindsey Graham ndi John McCain omwe adalankhula momveka bwino za mgwirizano ndi Russia. Ndipo yangokhala mphindi yachirendo kwenikweni. Inu mukudziwa, kodi iwo amaimira chiyani? Ndizo-ndikumva ngati chipani cha Republican nthawi zonse chakhala ngati chozembera komanso chobisika komanso choyimba mluzu agalu, mukudziwa, choyatsidwa. Ndipo tsopano zonse ziri ngati zamaliseche ndi kuchezeredwa kunja uko kuti anthu aziwone. Ndipo a Trump adatenga zinthu zonse zomwe adanena kuti adazichita ndikuzipitirira malire. Pali malo ambiri oti akunja, chipani cha Democratic Party - atapeza utsogoleri - mukudziwa, anthu atolankhani, ndi zina zotere, kuti azitha kusokoneza. Ndipo a Democrats akuchita zinthu zazikulu, monga kuwapangitsa kuvota sabata iliyonse ngati Trump akuyenera kuwulula misonkho yake, ndikukhala ngati kuyiyika pamawu, zomwe zingakhudze anthu ambiri apakati.
JUAN GONZALEZ: Ndimafuna ndikufunseni za mabuku anu aposachedwa kwambiri, Mayi Wa Mafunso Onse. Kodi mayi wa mafunso onse ndi chiyani?
REBECCA SOLINIT: Mukudziwa, ndiye mutu wankhani yomwe ndidalemba yokhudza mitundu ya mafunso omwe amayi amafunsidwa nthawi zonseโโBwanji ulibe ana?โโndi, mukudziwa, malingaliroโndi mafunso onga amenewo, omwe amaganiza kuti akazi amangokhala ngati magulu oswana, kuti akazi onse ndi ofanana, kuti chisangalalo chimachokera kubanja ndi moyo wabanja ndi kubereka, komanso kuti moyo wachinsinsi wa amayi ndi bizinesi yapagulu. Ndipo, mukudziwa, ndi gawo lalikulu la bizinesi youza anthu zomwe moyo wabwino uli nawo, zomwe mumafunikira - mumayenera kugonana kwambiri, kukwatiwa, kukhala ndi ana kenako kukhala ndi zoseweretsa ndi ndalama zambiri komanso etc. Ndipo ife tonse tikudziwa kuti anthu ambiri ali ndi zinthu zimenezo ndipo sali okondwa, ndi kuti anthu ambiri alibe zinthu zimenezo. Ndimacheza ndi ansembe ambiri achibuda osakwatira ndi abbesses ndi zinthu, omwe ali anthu okondwa kwambiri, omwe alibe chilichonse cha zinthu zimenezo. Mukudziwa, ndiye ndikupandukira mafotokozedwe ndi mafunso omwe si mafunso enieni omwe akufuna kumvetsetsa mozama, koma omwe akuyesera kuchititsa manyazi anthu ndi ziweto - mukudziwa, kuwakankhira m'gulu la ng'ombe, kuwakakamiza kuti alowe. gwirizana.
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