AMY GOODMAN: ʻO WikiLeaks ka mea hoʻolaha pūnaewele paena ua hoʻokuʻu kokoke i 400,000 mau palapala helu US e pili ana i ke kaua ʻo Iraq, ka leak naʻauao nui loa i ka mōʻaukala US a me ka moʻolelo kūloko nui loa o kekahi kaua ma ka moʻolelo lehulehu. Hāʻawi ka hōʻike i kahi pūʻulu o nā hōʻike hou e pili ana i ka hana ʻino, hoʻomāinoino a me ka ʻeha i loaʻa iā Iraq mai ka hoʻouka kaua ʻana o US i ka makahiki 2003. Ua wehe ka mea hoʻokumu WikiLeaks ʻo Julian Assange i nā palapala hou i ka Pōʻaono.
JULIAN ASSANGE: I kā mākou hoʻokuʻu ʻana i kēia mau palapala 400,000 e pili ana i ke kaua ʻo Iraq, nā kikoʻī kikoʻī o kēlā kaua mai ka ʻike US, ke manaʻo nei mākou e hoʻoponopono i kekahi o kēlā hoʻouka kaua ʻana i ka ʻoiaʻiʻo. Ua ʻike mākou aia ma kahi o 15,000 ʻaʻole i kākau mua ʻia a i ʻike ʻia paha nā hihia kīwila i pepehi ʻia e ka hana ʻino ma Iraq. ʻO Iraq, e like me kā mākou e ʻike ai, he kahe koko ma kēlā me kēia kihi o ko lākou ʻāina. ʻO ka manaʻo i ʻōlelo ʻia no ke komo ʻana i kēlā kaua, ʻo ka hoʻomaikaʻi ʻana i ke kūlana o nā pono kanaka, ka hoʻomaikaʻi ʻana i ke kānāwai o ke kānāwai, ʻaʻole i hoʻokō ʻia a, ma ke ʻano o ka nui o ka poʻe i pepehi wale ʻia, ua hōʻeha ʻia ke kūlana ma Iraq.
AMY GOODMAN: ʻOiai ʻo ka ʻōlelo kūʻē ʻana o ka US, ua hōʻike nā papa kaua i ka Pentagon i mālama i nā kiʻekiʻe o nā make kīwila ma Iraq. Ua ʻōlelo ka hui ʻo Iraq Body Count, aia nā faila i nā hōʻike o kahi 15,000 i ʻike ʻole ʻia ma mua o ka make kīwila Iraqi. ʻOi aku ka nui o ka helu ma muli o ka waiho ʻana o nā lāʻau kaua i nā manawa he nui i pepehi ai nā pūʻali koa US i nā makaʻāinana Iraqi, me ka hoʻouka kaua ʻana o US ma Fallujah ma 2004.
Hōʻike pū ʻia nā lāʻau kaua i ka hoʻokau ʻana o ka US i kahi kulekele kuʻuna e hōʻole i nā hana hōʻino pono kanaka i hana ʻia e ka pūʻali koa Iraqi. Ma lalo o kahi kauoha i kapa ʻia ʻo "Frago 242" i hoʻopuka ʻia i Iune 2004, ua pāpā ʻia nā pūʻali koa hui mai ka noiʻi ʻana i nā hana ʻino i hana ʻia e nā pūʻali Iraqi e kūʻē i nā Iraqi ʻē aʻe. ʻAʻole mālama ʻia nā haneli o ka pepehi kanaka, ka hoʻomāinoino a me ka hoʻomake ʻana ma ka lima o nā pūʻali Iraqi.
Ua puka mai kekahi mau hōʻike hou o nā hewa kaua US ʻē aʻe. Wahi a nā moʻolelo kaua, ua pepehi ʻo US Apache helicopter i ʻelua Iraqis i Pepeluali o 2007, ʻoiai lākou e hoʻāʻo nei e haʻalele. ʻO ka hui helikopter ka mea i pepehi i nā kānaka he ʻumikumamālua a hōʻeha i nā keiki ʻelua i ka hoʻouka kaua ʻana o Iulai 2007 i hopu ʻia ma ke wikiō a ua hoʻokuʻu ʻia e WikiLeaks ma mua o kēia makahiki. ʻO kēia ka manawa i wehe mua ai nā pūʻali koa US i ke ahi i kēlā hoʻouka kaua.
KOA US 1: Loaʻa i nā kānaka me nā mea kaua.
KOA US 2: Maopopo ʻoe.
KOA US 1: ʻAe, ke kī ʻana.
KOA US 3: E haʻi mai iaʻu ke loaʻa iā ʻoe.
KOA US 2: E pana kāua. E hoʻomālamalama iā lākou a pau.
KOA US 1: E ke ahi!
KOA US 2: E hoʻomau i ka pana ʻana. E hoʻomau i ka pana ʻana. E hoʻomau i ka pana ʻana. E hoʻomau i ka pana ʻana.
KOA US 4: Hōkele, Bushmaster ʻelua-ʻeono, Bushmaster ʻelua-ʻeono, pono mākou e neʻe, manawa i kēia manawa!
KOA US 2: ʻAe, ua hoʻopili wale mākou i nā kānaka ʻewalu.
AMY GOODMAN: ʻO kēlā hoʻouka kaua ʻo Iulai 12th, 2007 ka mea i pepehi i nā limahana Reuters ʻelua: ʻo ka mea paʻi kiʻi ʻo Namir Noor-Eldeen a me ka mea hoʻokele ʻo Saeed Chmagh, ka makuakāne o ʻehā. Hōʻike pū ʻia nā lāʻau i nā pū kaua US i pepehi i nā poʻe kīwila i ʻehā mau lā ma hope. Ma Iulai 16th, 2007, ua hōʻike ʻia he ʻumikūmāhā mau makaʻāinana i make i kahi hoʻouka kaua US ma Baghdad hikina.
Hōʻike pū ʻia nā palapala i ka hui pūʻali koa pilikino ʻo Blackwater i pepehi i nā kānaka kīwila Iraqi ma mua o ka mea i ʻike mua ʻia. He ʻumikūmāhā mau hanana pana ʻokoʻa e pili ana i nā pūʻali Blackwater, ka hopena o ka make ʻana o nā kānaka kīwila he ʻumi a me ka hōʻeha ʻana i ʻehiku mau mea ʻē aʻe. ʻAʻole ia i komo i ka pepehi kanaka ʻo Nisoor Square i pepehi i ʻumikūmāhiku mau kānaka kīwila. ʻO ka hapakolu o nā pana i hana ʻia i ka wā e kiaʻi ana nā pūʻali Blackwater i nā diplomats US.
ʻOi aku ma mua o 832 mau make i hoʻopaʻa ʻia ma nā wahi hōʻoia ma waena o 2004 a me 2009, ua manaʻo ʻia he 681 mau makaʻāinana. Wahi a ka Bureau of Investigative Journalism ma Lākana, he kanalima ʻohana i kī ʻia a make he kanakolu keiki.
Hōʻike ka hōʻike i ka leak nui loa i ka mōʻaukala US, ʻoi aku ma mua o ka 91,000 Afghanistan war logs WikiLeaks i hoʻokuʻu ʻia i kēia kauwela. He kanahikukūmāono tausani o lākou i hoʻokuʻu i kēia manawa. Ua ʻōlelo ʻo WikiLeaks e hoʻolālā ana e hoʻokuʻu i nā palapala kaua 15,000 ʻē aʻe i kāohi i nā palapala kaua Afghan. Ua paʻa ʻo Bradley Manning i loko o ka hale paʻahao mai Mei mai, i ka wā i hopu ʻia ai ʻo ia ma ka hoʻopiʻi ʻana i nā mea i hoʻopaʻa ʻia.
Ua hoʻopiʻi ke aupuni Obama iā WikiLeaks no nā hōʻike hou loa. Ua ʻōlelo ka waha ʻōlelo Pentagon Geoff Morrell e hoʻoweliweli ana ʻo WikiLeaks i nā pūʻali koa US.
GEOFF MORRELL: ʻO ka ʻaoʻao lalo, ua pilikia loa ko mākou mau pūʻali ma muli o kēia hōʻike ʻana, ʻoiai ke ʻike ʻia kā mākou mau hana, ʻenehana a me nā kaʻina hana i loko o kēia mau palapala, a ke kānalua nei ko mākou mau ʻenemi e hoʻohana iā lākou e kūʻē iā mākou. , a ʻoi aku ka paʻakikī o kā lākou mau hana.
AMY GOODMAN: ʻAe, no nā mea hou aku, ua hui pū mākou i kēia manawa no ke koena o ka hola e ʻekolu mau malihini. Mai Wakinekona, DC, ʻo Pratap Chatterjee, ka poʻe kiʻekiʻe ma ka Center for American Progress, he mea kākau moʻolelo noiʻi i kākau nui e pili ana i nā mea hana ʻaelike i hoʻohana ʻia i ke kaua honua i ka weliweli, ua kākau ʻelua mau puke ma ke kumuhana: Ira, Inc. a Puali koa o Halliburton. Ua kākau ʻo ia e pili ana i nā lāʻau kaua no ke Kahu o Ladana.
Eia ma New York, ua hui pū mākou me Nir Rosen, he mea kākau moʻolelo kūʻokoʻa nāna i uhi i ke kaua Iraq mai 2003. He hoa ʻo ia ma New York University Center on Law and Security a me ka mea kākau o ka puke hou. Ma hope: Ma hope o ka hoʻokahe koko o nā kaua o ʻAmelika i ka honua Muslim.
A hui pū me mākou mai Lākana ʻo David Leigh. ʻO ia ka luna hoʻoponopono noiʻi ma ke Kahu nupepa o Ladana. ke Kahu ʻO ia kekahi o nā mea hoʻolaha i hāʻawi ʻia i nā kope kiʻekiʻe o nā lāʻau kaua Iraq a ua paʻi i kahi moʻolelo nui ma kāna paena.
ʻO David Leigh, e hoʻomaka kākou me ʻoe. No ke aha ʻaʻole ʻoe e hāʻawi mai iā mākou i kahi hiʻohiʻona o ka mea i hōʻike ʻia e kēia trove o nā palapala 400,000 a ʻōlelo e pili ana iā Iraq?
DAVID LEIGH: Hōʻike ia i nā mea maka o ka mōʻaukala. A he mea koʻikoʻi loa ia e loaʻa ai, no ka mea, e like me kā mākou e ʻike ai, i nā makahiki ʻeono a ʻehiku paha o ka hoʻouka kaua ʻana a me ka noho ʻana o Iraq, ua hele pū ʻia kēia ma ke ʻano maʻamau e ka propaganda, e ka spin, e ka sanitized version. ʻO kēia ka mana ʻole ʻole. A, ʻoiaʻiʻo, ʻo ka mea i hana ʻole ʻia e hōʻoia i ka mea a mākou i makaʻu ai a me nā mea a ka poʻe nūpepa i hoʻāʻo ai e hōʻike i nā makahiki, ua lilo ʻo Iraq i mea hoʻokahe koko, kahi hoʻokahe koko maoli o nā pepehi kanaka ʻole, ka pepehi kanaka, ka hoʻomāinoino, a o ka poe i hahauia a make.
AMY GOODMAN: Hiki iā ʻoe ke hoʻokaʻawale i nā palapala i nā ʻāpana like ʻole, e like me kā _The Guardian i hana ai, nā ʻano like ʻole o ka pepehi kanaka, ka hoʻomāinoino, ʻo wai ka mea i pili i kēia? A ʻo wai—e hoʻomaka me ka mea nāna i kākau iā lākou. E wehewehe i ke ʻano o kēia mau lāʻau kaua.
DAVID LEIGH: ʻO kēia mau lāʻau kaua i kēlā me kēia lā a, i nā manawa he nui, nā hōʻike mahina i kēlā me kēia hola mai ka ʻike i hoʻouna ʻia e nā ʻāpana liʻiliʻi ma waho o ke kahua. Hoʻolālā maoli lākou i nā hanana, kēlā me kēia hanana. A i kekahi manawa e ʻike ʻoe he iwakālua a kanakolu a kanalima paha i ka lā hoʻokahi. Ua hōʻuluʻulu ʻia lākou a pau i loko o kahi waihona uila, manaʻo wau no ka manawa mua paha. ʻO kēia paha ka mua—ʻo kēia a ʻo Afghanistan ka huakaʻi pūʻali koa mua loa o ʻAmelika kahi i hōʻiliʻili ʻia ai kēia ʻano waihona a hoʻolako ʻia i nā poʻe ʻē aʻe o ka pūʻali koa US, ʻo ia hoʻi, pehea ia i hiki mai ai i ka leak.
ʻO ka mea nui i loko o ia mea he ʻekolu ʻano mea like ʻole, ma ke ʻano ʻaʻole mākou i ʻike maoli i kēia mau mea ma mua. ʻO ka mea mua, ʻoi aku ka liʻiliʻi o 15,000 mau kānaka kīwila i ʻike ʻia i pepehi ʻia a hoʻopaʻa ʻia i loko o kēia mau lāʻau. Nui nā kānaka kīwila ʻē aʻe i pepehi ʻia ʻaʻole i kākau ʻia ma laila, ʻoiaʻiʻo. Akā, hoʻonui ia i nā helu. A ʻo nā kino, nā kino kūʻokoʻa e like me ka Iraq Body Count, ka hui pilikino i hoʻokumu ʻia ma Lākana, ua hoʻopaʻa ʻia i kēlā mau 15,000 hou ma ka hele ʻana i kēia mau palapala āpau.
ʻO ka lua o ka mea i kākau ʻia, he mau hanana hoʻomāinoino loa ia e like me kā mākou i hoʻomaopopo maʻamau ai, ua ʻike ʻia e ka ʻenehana, ka ea a me ke kaua asymmetric. ʻO ka hihia maʻamau ma ʻaneʻi he helikopter, ʻo ka helikopter Apache, ka mea i hele ma hope e pana a pepehi i nā limahana Reuters. Hōʻike ia i ka hoʻāʻo ʻana o nā kāne ma ka honua e hāʻawi. Ua hoʻihoʻi ʻo ia i ke kahua no ka ʻōlelo aʻo, a he mea kupanaha, ʻōlelo ka loio kumu, "ʻAʻole hiki iā ʻoe ke hāʻawi i ka mokulele. E hele a pepehi iā lākou." No laila ua hele mua a pepehi iā lākou.
AMY GOODMAN: ʻO koʻu manaʻo, he ʻāpana kupanaha kēlā o ka moʻolelo.
DAVID LEIGH: ʻO ke kolu o ka ʻaoʻao—
AMY GOODMAN: ʻO kēlā ʻāpana o ka moʻolelo, ʻo David, he ʻāpana kupanaha o ka moʻolelo, ua hāpai kēia mau kāne i ko lākou mau lima i kahi mokulele ma luna, i kahi helikopter. A i kēia mau hihia a pau, nā koa i loko o nā mokulele, kāhea lākou i ke kumu. ʻAʻole lākou he naʻaupō. Ke ʻae nei lākou, a ʻōlelo kekahi loio, "ʻAʻole hiki iā ʻoe ke hāʻawi i ka helikopter," i hiki iā lākou ke hele i mua a pepehi iā lākou.
DAVID LEIGH: ʻO ia ke kumu. Me he mea lā ʻaʻole i hauʻoli ka poʻe helikopa. Ua hopohopo nui lākou. Ua hoʻi lākou i ka lekiō: "Ke hoʻāʻo nei kēia mau kāne e hāʻawi. He aha kā mākou e hana ai?" A ʻoi aku ka ʻōlelo ʻana iā lākou, "ʻAʻole hiki iā lākou ke hāʻawi pio. Pono ʻoe e pepehi iā lākou." No laila ʻo ka mea a mākou e ʻike nei he mau kauoha e hele mai ana mai kahi kiʻekiʻe.
A ke pāʻani nei ia i ke kolu o ka ʻaoʻao hou o kēia mau palapala, ʻo ia kā lākou kikoʻī maoli ʻana i nā haneli mau manawa - manaʻo wau he 900 mau hanana o ka mea a lākou e helu ai he mea hoʻomāinoino i ka poʻe i hoʻomāinoino ʻia. A ua hoʻomāinoino nui ʻia lākou e nā pūʻali palekana Iraqi, akā me nā pūʻali koa ʻAmelika e kū nei a i ʻole, i kekahi mau hihia, e hoʻohuli ana i nā mea paʻa i ka poʻe a lākou i ʻike e hoʻomāinoino iā lākou. A ʻo kēlā mau kauoha me he mea lā mai kahi kiʻekiʻe. Eia hou, ʻaʻole ʻoe e nānā i kēlā me kēia rogue sadists i ka pūʻali koa US; ke nānā nei ʻoe i nā kauoha.
AMY GOODMAN: E wāwahi mākou a hoʻi hou i kēia kūkākūkā. ʻO David Leigh, ka mea hoʻoponopono noiʻi ma ke Kahu. ke Kahu ʻO ia kekahi o nā mea hoʻolaha i loaʻa i nā kope kiʻekiʻe o nā palapala, i ʻike i nā palapala, ʻoi aku ʻO ke aniani ma Kelemānia, Al Jazeera, ka New York Times, Le Monde ma Farani. ʻo kēia ʻO ka Democracy Nei!, democracynow.org, The War and Peace Report. E hoʻi mākou i hoʻokahi minute.
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AMY GOODMAN: Ke kamaʻilio nei mākou e pili ana i ka leak WikiLeaks, ʻo ia ka pūnaewele whistleblower WikiLeaks, nāna i hoʻokuʻu i ka helu nui loa o nā palapala mai loko mai o ka pūʻali koa i ka mōʻaukala US, kokoke i 400,000, kā mākou mau malihini, ʻo Nir Rosen, ka mea kākau moʻolelo noiʻi, ka mea kākau o ka puke hou. Ma hope: Ma hope o ka hoʻokahe koko o nā kaua o ʻAmelika i ka honua Muslim; ʻO Pratap Chatterjee mai ka Center for American Progress, ua hana i nā ʻāpana no ke Kahu Nupepa, kekahi o na pepa i komo iloko o keia leaka, e pili ana i ka hoouka kaua ana; a me David Leigh, ka mea hoʻoponopono noiʻi ma ke Kahu.
He nīnau wikiwiki ma mua o ka hoʻi ʻana i ka poʻe ʻaelike, a iā David Leigh kēia. Ke noʻonoʻo nei au pehea ka pāʻani ʻana o kēia ma Beretania. ʻOiai ua loaʻa iā ia ka uhi ʻaoʻao mua ma ka New York Times, ka mea i komo i loko o ka leak, i ka palapala ia a me ke kākau 'atikala e pili ana ia, me ke Kahu a ʻO ke aniani i Kelemania a Le Monde ma Palani, me Al Jazeera, a me Channel 4 ma Beretania, ma Amerika Huipuia, na uwea uwea a me na hoike kamailio ana o ka la Sabati, ma ke ano holookoa, ua olelo ia aneane aole loa. ʻO kēia ka haʻiʻōlelo o ka Lāpule e kamaʻilio e pili ana i nā kumuhana koʻikoʻi o ka pule a nānā pono i nā koho balota e hiki mai ana. ʻAʻohe mea e pili ana i kēia WikiLeaks, ʻo kēia leak nui loa i ka mōʻaukala o ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa a puni ke kaua. Pehea ka pāʻani ʻana ma Lākana a ma Beretania, ʻo David Leigh?
DAVID LEIGH: He mea hoihoi ia i kāu ʻōlelo ʻana, no ka mea, me he mea lā he nui ka poʻe media US i kahi kūlana hōʻole e pili ana i kēia. Ua pāʻani nui ʻia ma Beretania. Ua ʻohi ʻia e nā mea hoʻolaha Pelekane ʻē aʻe. Aia nā papahana TV e puka ana i kēia pō. Ua kākau nā nūpepa Sābati i nā ʻatikala alakaʻi e pili ana iā ia. A ʻo ka Hope Kuhina Nui ʻo Nick Clegg i ʻōlelo ma kekahi o nā hōʻike TV i nehinei he pilikia kēia o ka hopohopo koʻikoʻi e pono ai ke nīnau ʻia. No laila, ma kahi kiʻekiʻe, ke pane mai nei ka poʻe kālai'āina ma ʻaneʻi.
A ʻo ka manaʻo nui ma luna o ka hopohopo a me ka hopohopo e pili ana i kēia mau hōʻike ʻana i ka hoʻomāinoino, no ka mea, inā aia kekahi mea ʻeha e hoʻomau mau nei me ka poʻe ʻEulopa, ʻo ia ka mea ua komo mākou i loko o ke kaʻina hana o ka hoʻomāinoino. He kū'ē i nā mea a pau a mākou e manaʻo ai he moʻomeheu Western a, ʻoiaʻiʻo, ke kānāwai honua.
AMY GOODMAN: He mea hoihoi loa i ka mea a Nick Clegg i ʻōlelo ai, e kāhea ana i kahi noiʻi o nā koi hoʻomāinoino. Akā ʻo Pratap Chatterjee, makemake wau e heluhelu iā ʻoe i kahi ʻāpana o ka New York Times' ka uhi ʻana i ke kuleana o nā mea hana ma Iraq. Ua kākau lākou, e ʻōlelo ana, "Ua pana pinepine ka poʻe ʻaelike me ka hoʻokae liʻiliʻi - a he liʻiliʻi inā he hopena - i nā kānaka kīwila Iraqi ʻole, nā pūʻali palekana Iraqi, nā pūʻali koa ʻAmelika a me nā mea hana ʻē aʻe.
"Ua piʻi ka haunaele a puni ʻo Iraq, ʻoiai hoʻi i hoʻokahi hanana i hōʻike ʻia ma Malaki 2005 kahi i hū ai kahi kaua liʻiliʻi e pili ana i ʻekolu mau ʻoihana palekana.
"Ma kahi mākaʻikaʻi weliweli ma ke ala nui e hiki ai i ke kahua mokulele ʻo Baghdad, ua komo kahi kaʻa sima i kahi ala i mālama ʻia no nā kaʻa o ka Department of Defense. Wehe aʻela ʻo Iraqi i ka puka a hoʻāʻo e holo, hoʻomaka pū nā kiaʻi mai kahi hale kiaʻi, hāʻule ke kanaka i lalo, a laila wehe pū kekahi mau lālā o kahi hui palekana Iraqi e kū kokoke ana i ke ahi, ʻaʻole i ka mea hoʻokele kaʻa akā he mea hana ma ka umauma. ʻO DynCorp International, he hui palekana ʻAmelika.
"I ka wā i nīnau ʻia ai ka mea hoʻokele kaʻa, ua lilo ʻo ia he Filipino i kapa ʻia ʻo José nāna i hana pū me kahi hui ʻekolu, ʻo KBR, ka ʻAmelika logistic a me ka pilikua palekana."
ʻO Pratap Chatterjee, e lawe iā ia mai laila mai.
PRATAP CHATTERJEE: ʻAe, ʻo Amy, manaʻo wau ʻo ia ka mea e hōʻike ai ʻo ia ka haunaele. A ʻo ka ʻoiaʻiʻo, ʻo ka moʻolelo a Jim Glanz, manaʻo wau e hōʻike ana ke poʻo i kēlā, ʻaʻohe kānāwai. A ʻo kēlā me kēia mea ma laila, ʻo ka mea heluhelu i nā hōʻike mai ia manawa, e hoʻomaopopo ʻo ia ua hana kēia mau kāne i nā lole kīwila. Hele pinepine lākou ma nā kaʻa mākaʻikaʻi ʻole. Ua lako lakou i na mea kaua, aole kanalua. Akā, ʻaʻole hiki iā ʻoe ke haʻi, quote-unquote, "hoa" mai "ʻenemi." ʻO koʻu manaʻo, ke kamaʻilio nei lākou e pili ana i nā pūʻali koa, ʻike ʻoe, i loko o nā lole kīwila, akā ʻoiaʻiʻo nō hoʻi i ka poʻe ʻaelike.
ʻO kēlā hanana āu e wehewehe nei he mea hoihoi loa ia i ka ʻoiaʻiʻo ʻo ka poʻe i hoʻouka ʻia ʻo ia ka limahana DynCorp, aʻu i manaʻo ai he Iraqi, he kamaʻāina kūloko, ʻoiai ua hana ʻo ia no kahi hui ʻAmelika. ʻO ka mea ʻē aʻe i pili he Pilipino. No laila, eia ʻoe, ʻike ʻoe, kēia ʻano kūlana ʻano ʻē aʻe aʻu i kū ai me aʻu iho. I koʻu hele ʻana ma ke alanui i kahi mākaʻikaʻi ʻAmelika, no ka mea ʻaʻole au keʻokeʻo—ʻo wau ʻo ʻAsia Hema—pono wau e makaʻu no koʻu ola. Pono wau e hoʻomaka e kamaʻilio me ka wikiwiki loa ma ka ʻōlelo Pelekania, no ka mea, makemake wau e hoʻomaopopo ka poʻe i kēlā, ʻike ʻoe, he mea kākau moʻolelo wale nō wau, no ka mea, ua ʻike wau e hiki i kēia poʻe - e pana paha nā koa a me nā ʻaelike inā manaʻo lākou he Iraqi wau. . A i nā manawa he nui, ʻike ʻoe, ʻaʻole lākou i ʻike i ka ʻokoʻa ma waena o kekahi lāhui a me kekahi. A ʻaʻole ia e hāʻawi iā lākou ka palapala blanche e pepehi kanaka mai kekahi lāhui kanaka, akā ʻo kaʻu mea e hoʻāʻo nei e hōʻike, ʻo ia ka nui o ka huikau. Nui ka poʻe me ke kānāwai ʻole i hoʻoponopono iā lākou.
E hāʻawi wau iā ʻoe i kahi laʻana o kekahi mea aʻu i ʻike ai i hana no kahi hui i kapa ʻia ʻo Custer Battles. Kaulana ʻia ʻo Custer Battles no ka nui o ke kumu kūʻai o nā waiwai, a ua lawe ʻia lākou i ka ʻaha hoʻokolokolo ma Wakinekona, DC. Akā ʻo Custer Battles kekahi kanaka nona kāna hana e kūʻai i nā pū ma ka mākeke ʻeleʻele. A wehewehe mai ʻo ia iaʻu pehea ʻo ia e hele ai i waho, ʻike ʻoe, ʻaʻahu ʻia i nā lole kūloko, kūʻai i nā pū makeke ʻeleʻele a hoʻolako iā lākou. Ua ʻike mākou ua hana like nā hui ʻē aʻe, e like me Blackwater. No laila ʻaʻohe kānāwai. Aia - ua kūʻai ʻoe i nā pū mai ka poʻe koa. Ua uku ʻoe iā lākou. A laila hoʻohana ʻoe iā lākou e kūʻē i nā makaʻāinana. He haunaele, e olelo aku. A ke manaʻo nei au he kuleana nui ka hoʻokele Bush no kāna hana. A ke manaʻolana nei au, e like me Nick Clegg, e hoʻomaka ana ka hoʻomalu ʻo Obama e noiʻi i kēia mau hōʻino maopopo o ke kānāwai honua a me ke kānāwai Iraqi a me ke kānāwai US.
AMY GOODMAN: ʻO Nir Rosen, ʻo ʻoe, e like me Pratap, e huikau me ka ʻole mai ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa. Pehea ʻoe i hana ai me kēia?
NIR ROSEN: E hoʻōho au he ʻAmelika wau e like me kaʻu hiki. A loaʻa iaʻu kekahi mau kelepona pili. Hiki iaʻu ke hōʻoia e kūʻai aku nā ʻoihana palekana pilikino Iraqis-ʻAmelika a me Iraqi i kā lākou mea kaua ma ka mākeke ʻeleʻele. ʻIke wau—ua ʻike au i ke kanaka no kekahi o kēia mau hui, a e kūʻai ʻo ia i kāna mau mea kaua ma Sadr City. A ʻo ka nui o kaʻu mau hoaaloha i nā hui palekana pilikino e wehewehe i nā ʻano hanana like ʻole ma ke ala aʻu i maopopo ai ʻaʻole i komo i loko o ka WikiLeaks trove. Ke holo nei ʻoe mai Mosul a hiki i Bagdad, a ʻike ʻoe i kahi kaʻa kānalua, a pana paha kekahi iā ʻoe, wehe ʻoe i ke ahi, a ʻaʻole i kākau ʻia ka poʻe āu e pepehi ai ma nā wahi āpau. A ke hana nei kēia - inā ʻoe e noʻonoʻo e pili ana i ka nui o nā convoy a nā hui palekana e pale nei i kēlā me kēia lā ma '05 a me '06 a me ka hoʻomāinoino o Iraq, i kēlā me kēia lā ua loaʻa iā ʻoe nā hanana ma ka ʻāina āpau o nā hui palekana pilikino e hana nei. kanaka kīwila a me nā pūʻali koa.
A, ʻoiaʻiʻo, ʻo ka hana a mākou e hoʻohewa nei, ʻo nā hui palekana pilikino e wehe ana i ke ahi ma luna o nā makaʻāinana a me ka hana ʻole ʻana me ka hoʻopaʻi ʻole, ʻaʻole ia he ʻokoʻa mai ka hana pūʻali koa ʻAmelika. ʻO kēia mau pūʻali koa ʻAmelika mua, nā koa a me nā luna, no ka hapa nui. A ʻaʻole ia e like me ka pūʻali koa ʻAmelika i komo i nā ʻano ʻano ʻano like ʻole. Akā, aia ka hoʻomaikaʻi lohi ʻana, malia paha, akā i ka wā o ka piʻi ʻana, kahi i manaʻo ʻia ai mākou e pale aku i nā makaʻāinana, aia maoli ka piʻi ʻana o nā make kīwila o nā ʻAmelika, e like me ka WikiLeaks hōʻike. No laila ke kānalua nei au i kekahi manawa e hoʻokaʻawale i waena o ka ʻano o nā hui palekana pilikino a me ka pūʻali koa ʻAmelika, no ka mea, iaʻu, manaʻo wau ua ʻeha like nā Iraqis iā lāua ʻelua.
AMY GOODMAN: Makemake au e hoʻi i ka ʻōlelo a mākou i pāʻani ai i ka hoʻomaka ʻana o ka hōʻike, ʻo Manfred Nowak, mai United Nations, e kāhea ana i kahi hoʻokolokolo hou, ʻoi aku hoʻi i ka pūʻali koa US, ka mea noiʻi nui o ka UN ma ka hoʻomāinoino e kāhea ana i kahi hoʻokolokolo piha. ʻO ke kuleana o nā pūʻali koa US i ka hōʻino pono kanaka. Ua kāhea ʻia ʻo Manfred Nowak ma hope o ka hoʻokuʻu ʻia ʻana o ka pūnaewele kokoke i 400,000 mau palapala koa US e kikoʻī ana i ka hana ʻana o nā pūʻali koa US i mea e hoʻōki ai i nā hōʻike o ka hoʻomāinoino, hoʻomāinoino, hoʻomāinoino a me ka pepehi kanaka a nā mākaʻi a me nā koa Iraqi. Eia kekahi, ua hōʻike ʻia nā logs kaua WikiLeaks ma kahi o 15,000 mau kānaka kīwila i make, e like me kā mākou i ʻōlelo ai. Ma nā alanui o Baghdad, ʻōlelo ka poʻe kamaʻāina i nā palapala leaked e hōʻoia i ka mea a lākou i ʻike ai no nā makahiki.
He ʻokoʻa loa ka pane ʻana ma ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa, a makemake wau e hoʻi iā David Leigh no kēia, ʻo ia ke koʻikoʻi nui iā Julian Assange a me WikiLeaks, e ʻōlelo ana he koko ma kona mau lima, i ka wā ma mua ua hoʻokuʻu ʻo ia i nā palapala ʻaʻole. hoʻoponopono ʻia. Eia nō naʻe, loaʻa iā AP kahi memo Pentagon kūloko i ʻōlelo ʻia ma ka trove hope o kekahi mau palapala 76,000 i hoʻokuʻu ʻia, ʻaʻohe kumu i compromised, ʻo David Leigh. He aha kāu pane i kēia mau mea a pau, ʻo ka hoʻonohonoho holoʻokoʻa o kēia ʻo WikiLeaks - a laila, manaʻo wau, ma ka hoʻonui ʻana, ʻoiai ʻaʻole lākou e ʻōlelo, ke Kahu a me ka New York Times—ke hoʻokomo nei i nā kānaka i ka pōʻino?
DAVID LEIGH: ʻAe, he ʻano ʻakaʻaka maʻi ke kamaʻilio e pili ana iā WikiLeaks he koko ma ko lākou mau lima, no ka mea, e like me kāu i ʻōlelo ai, ʻo ka hōʻike ʻana o ka Pentagon ʻaʻohe koko ma ko lākou mau lima a ʻaʻohe mea i hoʻopaʻi ʻia ma ke ʻano he ka hopena o kā lākou hana. A ua hoʻoponopono lākou ma Afghanistan, a ua hana lākou i kēia manawa. ʻOiai, ʻo ka poʻe e hoʻopiʻi nei, kēia mau Generala, aia nā galani a me nā galani koko maoli ma ko lākou mau lima. A ʻo kēia mau palapala e hōʻike ana i ko lākou kuleana no ka make ʻana o nā haneli o nā makaʻāinana hala ʻole, no ka laʻana. No laila, ʻo wai ke koko ma ko lākou mau lima?
AMY GOODMAN: ʻO Pratap Chatterjee, kākau pū ʻoe e pili ana drones. E kamaʻilio e pili ana i kāu mea i loaʻa ai.
PRATAP CHATTERJEE: ʻO Amy, e pili ana kēia i kahi hui i kapa ʻia ʻo Task Force Odin. ʻO Odin maoli ka Norse-kekahi o nā akua Norse o ke kaua a me ka make. Kaulana ʻo ia no ka mea hoʻokahi ona maka. ʻO Odin kekahi-ʻo ia ka inoa o kahi pūʻulu hana i hoʻokumu ʻia i ʻAukake o 2006 e General Richard Cody. A ma kāna pūʻulu hana, kū ia no "Nānā, ʻIke, ʻIke a Neutralize." ʻO ka mea a lākou i hana ai, ua hoʻohana lākou i kēia mau drones i hana ʻia e General Atomics i kapa ʻia ʻo Warrior Alpha drones. Ua hoʻouna aku lākou iā lākou e nānā i nā kānaka i manaʻo ʻia e kanu ana i nā pōkā no ka hoʻouka kaua ʻana i nā pūʻali koa ʻAmelika. Ua ukali ʻia kēia mau drones e kahi mokulele C-12 Cessna, pinepine me nā mea loiloi a me nā pūʻulu mea kaua e hiki ke kāhea aku i ka hoʻouka kaua ʻo Hellfire. A ʻo ka pūʻali koa ʻAmelika i ka wā mua, hauʻoli loa i kēia ala. Manaʻo lākou ʻo ia ke ala i mua.
A ʻo ka mea nui, ʻo kahi wahi i kākau maikaʻi ʻia ma nā palapala WikiLeaks aia i ke kaua ʻeono mahina ma ka ʻāina ʻo Diyala, ʻo ia hoʻi a puni ʻo Baqubah, kahi i lawe ai nā pūʻali koa iā Baqubah, ke kapikala o Diyala, a hoʻāʻo e haʻi i kahi mokuʻāina Islam o Iraq. . No laila ua kāhea ʻia nā drones Warrior Alpha a me Task Force Odin - hiki iā lākou ke nānā a kāhea aku i nā hahau a pepehi i kekahi mau kānaka. A he mau haneli ka poʻe i hoʻopaʻa ʻia e like me ka pepehi ʻana i kēia mau palapala WikiLeaks. A ʻo kēia kekahi mea a Cody i hoʻihoʻi mai ai i ʻAmelika a ʻōlelo ʻo ia, "Ua kūleʻa mākou. ʻAʻole hiki iā mākou ke nānā wale iā lākou, e like me ke akua Helene ʻo Odin, i manaʻo ʻia e loaʻa iā ia ka ʻike āpau, hiki iā mākou ke luku iā lākou." I kēia manawa, ʻoiaʻiʻo, ʻoiaʻiʻo, ua kaupalena ʻia kēia kaua. Pono ʻoe e hele mai ma luna o kekahi e hoʻokomo i kahi pōkā ma mua o hiki iā ʻoe ke hana i kekahi mea e pili ana iā ia. ʻAʻole kōkua nui iā ʻoe i ka wā e hele ana nā kānaka i loko a i waho o nā hale, inā ʻaʻole ʻoe i ʻike maoli i kā lākou hana. Hiki iā ʻoe, ʻoiaʻiʻo, pepehi i ka poʻe hewa, no ka mea ke nānā wale nei ʻoe mai kahi lōʻihi o ka lani.
A ke manaʻo nei au ʻo kekahi o nā palapala hoihoi loa e pili ana i kahi mea i kapa ʻia ʻo Operation Seventh Veil. ʻO ka Operation Seventh Veil kahi hana e hoʻopau pono ai i ka palaho a, ʻo ia hoʻi, e ʻimi i ka poʻe smugglers mea kaua. A i kēia manawa, i hoʻokahi makahiki i hala aku nei, ʻo Kepakemapa 2009 a me ʻOkakopa 2009, ua hana ʻia ʻo Operation Seventh Veil i ka ʻimi ʻana i nā mea smugglers mea kaua ma luna o ka palena ma Suria. No laila, hoʻouna lākou i nā drones, hoʻouna lākou i nā mea loiloi, a waiho lākou i kekahi mau hōʻike. A hiki iā ʻoe ke hele i loko o nā hōʻike ma WikiLeaks, a ʻike ʻoe ma kahi kokoke i 50 pakeneka o nā hanana, hoʻi mai lākou me ka ʻōlelo ʻana "ʻaʻole pono." A i kēlā me kēia manawa a lākou e waiho ai i kahi hōʻike - aia kekahi mau mea ʻakaʻaka maoli a lākou e ʻōlelo ai - ʻike ʻoe, ke nānā nei lākou i kēia poʻe, a iho lākou i lalo no ka nānā pono ʻana, hoʻouna lākou i nā pūʻali koa honua, a ʻike lākou i kēia. He poe kahuhipa na kanaka me ka lakou poe hipa. ʻIke lākou he poʻe smugglers paka. ʻIke ʻoe, hoʻokahi kanaka - ʻoi aku ka hoʻohenehene i kēia kanaka, i ka wā i hopu ai lākou iā ia, me ke kōkua ʻana o nā mākaʻi palena Iraqi, ua ʻōlelo ʻo ia ua loaʻa iā ia he $20 i ka lā a ua hana ʻo ia i kēlā no nā makahiki. ʻAʻohe ona pū, a ʻaʻole hiki iā lākou ke nānā aku—e ʻike i nā mea hoʻopaʻa kaua.
He nui ka poʻe, ʻoiai ma Pakistan, manaʻo e manaʻo ʻo ka hoʻohana ʻana i nā drones ka hiki ke hiki ke kuhikuhi a pepehi, ʻike ʻoe, nā pahuhopu waiwai kiʻekiʻe. ʻO ka ʻoiaʻiʻo, e like me kā mākou i ʻike ai i kēia manawa - aia ke kahua ma Wakinekona i kapa ʻia ʻo New America. Ua hana lākou i kahi noiʻi i hōʻike ʻia ma kahi o ʻekolu hapaha o ka poʻe a lākou i koho ai ma FATA, ma nā ʻāina ʻohana o ka ʻĀkau o Pakistan, ua ʻōlelo lākou ua manaʻo lākou ua hoʻouka ʻia - ua manaʻo lākou e hoʻāʻo nei ʻo ʻAmelika e luku iā Islam. Kūʻē lākou i ka pahu drone. A ʻo 60 ka nui o lākou i ʻōlelo he maikaʻi ke hoʻouka ʻana i nā ʻAmelika.
Manaʻo wau, ʻo ka mea mua, ke kūʻai nei nā drones i ke kālā nui. He $3 miliona no kēlā me kēia Koa Alphas. A laila aia nā manawa a pau. A ʻo ka mea ʻoiaʻiʻo, i ka hopena o ka lā, ʻo kā lākou ʻikepili, kā lākou ʻano o ka ʻike uila he ʻilihune loa, manaʻo wau e ʻōlelo nei, ʻike ʻoe, he nui nui no ka ʻoiaʻiʻo, ʻoiai i ka pūʻali koa a me nā pōʻai naʻauao, ʻoiaʻiʻo. ʻO ke ala wale nō e hiki ai iā ʻoe - inā e manaʻoʻiʻo ʻoe i kēia ʻano kaua, ʻo ke ala wale nō e loaʻa ai kēia ʻike ma o ka naʻauao kanaka a i ʻole, e like me Michael Steele, ka mea nāna e mālama i ka naʻauao ma Iraq, ma o ka naʻauao open-source. ma o ka poʻe nūpepa, ʻoiaʻiʻo, ka poʻe ma ka honua a hui pū me nā kānaka. ʻAʻole hana ka hapa nui o nā mea mai nā drones. Hoʻokahi wale nō mea, e like me ka ʻōlelo a kekahi pūʻali koa, ʻo ka hoʻouka ʻana, ʻike ʻoe i nā hua haʻahaʻa, e ʻike i nā kāne ʻelua e kanu ana i ka pōkā a laila hoʻouka iā lākou. A ʻo ia hoʻi, ʻike ʻoe, manaʻo wau, ʻaʻole ia he hōʻoia i hōʻoia ʻia ua hana maoli kēia mau kāne i kēia no ko lākou makemake iho. Pono ʻoe e komo i loko a hiki iā ʻoe ke hoʻāʻo i nā kānaka. ʻO koʻu manaʻo, aia, manaʻo wau - ka manaʻo o habeas corpus ʻaʻole i loaʻa.
AMY GOODMAN: E Pratap, ke hele nei mākou i ka hopena o ka hoʻolaha. Ke hiki mai nei mākou i ka hopena o ka hoʻolaha, no laila makemake wau e nīnau iā David Leigh, kekahi o nā puke nui i hana pū me kēia mau palapala, ma hea ʻoe e hele ai mai ʻaneʻi? ʻIke wau ua ʻōlelo ʻo Julian Assange he 15,000 mau palapala hou e hoʻokuʻu koke ʻia ma Afghanistan. He ʻumi kekona ko mākou.
DAVID LEIGH: ʻAʻole ʻo ia ka nui o nā palapala hou ma Afghanistan e nānā ai ʻoe no ka nīnau no ka mea e hiki mai ana i nā kaukani a me nā kaukani o nā kelepona diplomatic US State Department, kahi i hoʻopiʻi ʻia ai ʻo Bradley Manning, ke koa US, no ka leak. E hoʻoulu lākou i kahi pilikia diplomatic honua inā puka lākou, a ʻaʻole maopopo iaʻu e hoʻopau ʻo WikiLeaks i kēlā mau mea.
AMY GOODMAN: David Leigh, makemake wau e hoʻomaikaʻi iā ʻoe no kou noho pū ʻana me mākou mai ke Kahu; ʻO Nir Rosen, ka mea kākau o—ʻo kāna puke hou loa Ma hope; a me Pratap Chatterjee me ka Center for American Progress. E loulou mākou i kāu mau hōʻike a pau ma kā mākou pūnaewele, democracynow.org.
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