Charles Derber unguprofesa weSociology eBoston College futhi ungumbhali wezincwadi ezingaphezu kwamashumi amabili. Izihloko zakhe zakamuva zihlanganisa u-Welcome to the Revolution: Universalizing Resistance for Social Justice Ezikhathini Eziyingozi kanye Nesizwe Esineziqhwaga: Indlela I-American Establishment Idala Ngayo Umphakathi Wobuxhwanguxhwangu, eyanyatheliswa ephepheni kule nyanga.
GREGORY WILPERT: Siyakwamukela ku-Real News Network. Ngingu-Gregory Wilpert oza kuwe ngivela e-Quito, e-Ecuador. UMongameli uDonald Trump usanda kusayina impumelelo yakhe eyinhloko yomthetho, uguquko olukhulu lwentela, futhi ngalokho wanika abantu baseMelika abahwebayo kanye nabaphezulu abangu-1% isipho esikhulu sikaKhisimusi. Kungushintsho lwentela olufinyelela kude kakhulu emashumini eminyaka futhi kubikezelwa ukuthi luzoqhubeka lujulise ukungalingani okukhulu osekuvele kukhulu e-US. Yini izakhamizi ezivamile ezingavumelani nezinqubomgomo zikaTrump, futhi ngokubanzi neziqondiso i-US ebizithatha emashumini ambalwa eminyaka edlule, zenzeni ngakho konke lokhu?
Nokho, umbhali oyedwa ozama ukuphendula lo mbuzo nguSolwazi Charlie Derber. UCharlie unguSolwazi weSociology eBoston College futhi ungumbhali wezincwadi eziningi ezikhuluma ngomnotho wezepolitiki, isayensi yezombangazwe, isayensi yezokuhlalisana kwabantu, kanye noshintsho emphakathini. Incwadi yakhe yakamuva, esanda kunyatheliswa i-Routledge, ithi โSiyakwamukela Kuguquko: Ukuhlanganisa Ukumelana Nokushintsha Komphakathi kanye Nentando Yeningi Ngezikhathi Eziyingozi.โ Uhlanganyela nathi evela eBoston, Massachusetts namuhla.
Siyakwamukela, Charlie.
U-CHARLES DERBER: Sawubona Greg. Ngiyabonga ngokungimema.
UGREGORY WILPERT: Incwadi yakho ihlukaniswe yaba izingxenye ezintathu ezibalulekile: ukuhlaziya uhlelo esiphila kulo namuhla, isiphakamiso sendlela yokunqoba lolu hlelo, futhi okwesithathu, iziphakamiso ezithile ezibambekayo kulokho abantu abangakwenza. Ake sidlule ngayinye yalezi sinyathelo ngesinyathelo.
Okokuqala, ubiza uhlelo esiphila kulo njengamanje ngokuthi โi-militarized corporate capitalism.โ Yini oyibona njengezici eziyinhloko zalesi simiso?
U-CHARLES DERBER: Hhayi-ke, ngicabanga ukuthi iphuzu elibaluleke kakhulu ukuthi wuhlelo. Ngicabanga ukuthi abezindaba abajwayelekile kanye nengxenye enkulu yenkululeko esele, isilahlekelwe umbono wokuthi izinkinga eziningi ezinkulu esibhekene nazo - noma ngabe sikhuluma ngempi nezempi, noma ukuguquka kwesimo sezulu, noma ukucwasa, noma ukungalingani kwezomnotho - alahlekelwe umbono weqiniso lokuthi sibhekene nesistimu ehlangene lapho zonke lezi zigaba zamandla ezehlukene ezisekelwe esigabeni nobuhlanga nobulili nokunye - futhi ezihlanganisa izindaba ezifana nesimo sezulu kanye nempi kanye ne-capitalism, inale ndlela. yokuxhuma amachashazi - kanye nokubona ukuthi kufanele sibhekane nohlelo olubanzi, oluwumsuka wazo zonke lezi zinkinga ezahlukene, lulahlekile.
Injani imvelo yalolu hlelo? Okokuqala nje, kuwuhlelo lwamandla agxile kakhulu kwezomnotho nezepolitiki lapho sine-1% yabantu ababusa kakhulu kwezepolitiki kanye ne-ajenda yezepolitiki kanye neningi lempilo yethu yezenhlalo nezomnotho. Ngicabanga engizama ukukuโฆ Uma kukhona oke wafunda noma iyiphi isayensi yezokuhlalisana kwabantu, ungase ulazi igama elithi โintersectionality,โ okuyindlela nje yokukhuluma ngokuhlanganisa amachashazi: ukuqaphela ukuthi isimo sezulu, impi, capitalism, ukucwasa ngokwebala, ngokomlando. , izinhlelo zamandla ezihlangene, futhi ukuze ubhekane nenye yazo kufanele ubhekane nazo zonke. Empeleni ngikhuluma ngohlelo njengendlela egxile kakhulu yamandla ohlelweni lwezepolitiki nezomnotho.
UGREGORY WILPERT: Enye yezinto engihlabe umxhwele ukuthi ukhuluma ngayo ngokuthi ihlanganisa umhlaba wonke, ngakho-ke okokuqala nje ngifuna ukubuza ukuthi kusho ukuthini lokho? Okwesibili, kungani usebenzisa umqondo wokwenziwa komhlaba wonke esikhundleni sokuthi mhlawumbe into efana nokuhwebelana kwezinkampani, okwake kwaba wumqondo ojwayelekile owawusetshenziswa kokubili ezifundweni kanye nakunhlangano ye-alter-globalization. Okokuqala nje, kwenzeka kanjani emhlabeni wonke, futhi lokho kuhluke kanjani mhlawumbe ekuhwebeni kwembulunga yonke?
U-CHARLES DERBER: Hhayi-ke, ngikhuluma ngento ebanzi kakhulu kunokuhwebelana kwezwe. Ngikhuluma ngokungena kwezikhungo zesistimu kanye namagugu kuyo yonke imikhakha yempilo. Emvelweni, emndenini, emiqondweni yethu yangaphakathi, emkhathini, kuyo yonke imikhakha yomphakathi wethu. Inkolo, imfundo, ukunakekelwa kwezempilo, konke kuyahlanganiswa. Bonke bayahlonishwa. Bonke bangaphansi kwamandla kanye nokubuswa ngendlela enodlame, okuhlanganisa nendawo esithembele kuyo. Imiphumela iyesabisa ngoba sibhekene nethuba lokubhujiswa kwayo yonke impilo. Silahlekelwa izinhlobo. Silahlekelwa amathemba okuphila komuntu emashumini eminyaka nje ambalwa. Ngiqonde ukuthi "ukushintshanisa umhlaba wonke" ukusho ukuthi uhlelo alugcini nje ngokuhwebelana nembulunga yonke: Lungena emisipha yangaphandle nengaphakathi yazo zonke izici zokuphila kwethu ngendlela esongela kakhulu futhi engakaze ibonwe, ngokomlando.
UGREGORY WILPERT: Ngicabanga ukuthi lokho kunengqondo, kodwa into eyodwa engizibuzayo ukuthi ngakolunye uhlangothi kuzwakala sengathi kukhona inqubo ye-homogenization. Uma inkimbinkimbi yenhlangano yezempi noma uhlelo lungena kuyo yonke into ngale ndlela, kuzwakala sengathi kungahle kusenze sibe nomqondo ofanayo, futhi lolo hlobo luphambene nezinye izinkambiso esingase sicabange ngazo noma sikhulume ngazo eziphathelene ngqo nokumelana. , okuwumkhuba futhi obheke ekuqhekekeni. Ukuthi silahlekelwa uhlobo lomqondo wobumbano mhlawumbe. Kuhlangana kanjani lokho?
Ngamanye amazwi, ngakolunye uhlangothi, lokhu kuhlanganiswa kwendawo yonke, kodwa ngakolunye uhlangothi, ingabe siyahlukana kakhulu? Okuwuhlobo lwendikimba obuye uyithathe encwadini yakho mayelana nokunyakaza kwezombusazwe kanye nalezo zinhlobo zezinto, kanye neqiniso lokuthi lokho kumelana, ngomqondo ongokomfanekiso, ohlelweni lwezempi lwenhlangano kuvame ukuba ku-silos noma ihlukene phakathi. Kuhambisana kanjani lokho, ngakolunye uhlangothi ukuhlukaniswa komhlaba wonke futhi ngakolunye uhlangothi lokhu kuhlukana?
U-CHARLES DERBER: Hhayi-ke, ngiyabonga ngalowo mbuzo. Kubaluleke ngempela. Engikuphikisayo ukuthi enye yezinkinga eziyinhloko zokumelana ukuthi ngaleso sikhathi lapho uhlelo luhlanganisa yonke indawo, ukuphikisana okuvezayo kubaluleke kakhulu. Ukumelana kuhlukene ngezindlela eziningi.
Kusukela ngasekupheleni kwawo-1960s, engicabanga ukuthi kwaba yisikhathi sokugcina lapho ukuphikiswa kwesokunxele okuthuthukayo kwaba nesimilo esibonakala emhlabeni wonke, lapho uMartin Luther King agcina ethe, "Ngidinga ukuxhumanisa i-Civil Rights Movement nenhlangano elwa ne-Vietnam War ne umnyakazo wabasebenzi wangaleso sikhathi, nokunye ... Kusukela ngaleso sikhathi, ngenxa yezizathu esingakhuluma ngazo uma sinesikhathi, isinxele siye sahlukana, njengoba ushilo, ikakhulukazi kwaba uhlobo olusabalale kakhulu neqoqo lemiphakathi yomazisi. ezingakhulumisani ngempela noma zixhumanise, futhi aziboni izinkinga zazo njengoba zihlangene nesistimu enkulu.
Ngakho-ke ake sithathe owesifazane wegagasi lesithathu njengo-Sheryl Sandberg, umuntu obhale kakhulu mayelana "nokuncika" njengendlela yokulwela inkululeko yegagasi lesithathu. Hhayi-ke, ukuncika, okusho ukuthi abesifazane baphule uphahla lwengilazi futhi bakhuphukele phezulu ebhizinisini, akukhona kanye lokho okufanele kwenziwe yi-feminism ekhululekile kwesokunxele, noma umbono oqhubekayo, ngoba empeleni kusho ukuthi ungubani. umphakathi uzimele wodwa, ulwela ukuthola ingxenye enkulu yephaya yamanje yonxiwankulu. Futhi ngalowo mqondo, empeleni kuqinisekisa lona kanye uhlelo esiludingayo, uhlelo lokuhlanganisa yonke indawo, uhlelo lwempambano, okudingeka sibhekane nalo.
Ukhombe embuzweni wakho, Greg, ukungqubuzana okukhulu engizama ukubhekana nakho encwadini, okuwukuthi ukwenziwa kwesistimu yonke indawo kudinga lokho okwabonwa nguMartin Luther King ekupheleni kwempilo yakhe, futhi wabulawa ngemuva kokubulawa. wakwenza kwacaca lokhu, ukuthi lezi zinhlangano ezihlukahlukene kwakufanele ziqonde ukuhlanganisa umhlaba wonke kanye nokuhlangana kwesimiso, futhi kwakufanele zikubonise lokho enhlanganweni yazo.
Futhi isizathu sokungabi inkimbinkimbi, kodwa ngokwengxenye kungenxa yezinkinga zezimali. Isibonelo, izinhlangano ezihlukahlukene ezingakwesokunxele zivame ukuxhaswa ngezimali yizisekelo ezikhululekile ezingafuni ukuthi abantu baxhumanise lezi zinhlangano ezihlukahlukene, ngakho bazoxhasa, bathi, iqembu elimelene nokucwasa emsebenzini wabo wokulwa nokucwasa noma umsebenzi wasejele, kodwa ngeke babaxhase ngezimali ukuze ngesikhathi esisodwa basebenze ngesimo sezulu noma kwi-capitalism uqobo.
Enye into ukuthi ingxoxo yemibono kanye nomphakathi wonke uyilahlile ngempela le ngxoxo ehlelekile. Isibonelo, ngeNkathi Eqinile ngeminyaka yawo-1890 ka-Rockefeller kanye no-JPMorgan, futhi ngeminyaka yawo-'60s futhi ngezinga elithile ku-New Deal ngawo-'30s, kwakukhona ngempela inkulumo ... Kwakukhona ingxoxo ehlelekile. Bebekhuluma ngokuthi โKukhona okungalungile ngayo yonke inqubo yezezimali, yobungxiwankulu bomhlaba wonke,โ nokuthi ubungena kanjani kuzo zonke izingxenye zomphakathi futhi uthinta yonke imiphakathi.
Kusukela ngasekupheleni kweminyaka yawo-60, lokho kuxhunywa kwamachashazi kulahlekile, futhi silahlekelwe ingxoxo evamile. Kukangaki uvula i-CNN, emelene kakhulu noTrumpist, kodwa engakhulumi ngezinkinga zonxiwankulu ... Empeleni ingxenye enkulu igxeka uTrump, ngoba ubonakala esabisa lokho okuthathwa njengerubrikhi yentando yeningi, noma ngabe I-FBI kanye โฆ nezinkambiso zesikhungo abazibheka njengeziwumgogodla wobunxiwankulu uqobo.
Lena yimpendulo ende yokuthi umane uthi uqinisile, ukuthi umgomo wencwadi yami uwukuphikisa ngokuthi uma ubhekene nesistimu ye-intersectional, universalizing, ebulalayo, indlela kuphela ongamelana ngayo ngempumelelo uma uxhuma amachashazi bese uzama ukwakha umnyakazo, okokuqala nje, oqonda uhlobo lwalezi zinkinga ezixhumene ababhekana nazo, futhi okwazi ukuxhumanisa enye nenye.
Akusho ukuthi ususa ipolitiki yokuzazisa noma ukuthi abantu ngeke bakwazi ukusebenza ezindabeni eziphuthuma kakhulu nothando kubo, kodwa ukuthi le nhlangano yenze umehluko ngempela, ikakhulukazi esikhathini esifushane esibhekene nathi, sidinga ukuxhuma la machashazi futhi sicacise ukuthi lezi zinhlangano ezahlukene zinezimpande zesistimu, nokuthi uma uzoxazulula ukucwasa, awusoze wakwenza lokho ngaphandle kokubhekana nomlando wobandlululo wobunxiwankulu e-United. Amazwe.
Kungaba okufanayo. Ngeke ukwazi ukunqanda ukuguquka kwesimo sezulu inqobo nje uma sinohlobo lwe-extractive capitalist system esinalo. Ngokuqinisekile awukwazi ukumisa impi kanye nempi uma ungabhekani nesimo somnotho wethu, okudinga uhlobo lwempi yomhlaba wonke evula izimakethe futhi idale abasebenzi abashibhile nokunye.
Ngakho-ke uqinisile ... Ubeka umunwe wakho ekuphikiseni okuphakathi komnyakazo, futhi incwadi iwumzamo wokulungisa ukuphikisana ukuze kufinyelelwe emhlabeni wonke ukumelana, okusho ukuthi, ukuhlanganisa ndawonye lezi ziqephu ezihlukene, ezinyakazayo. Okuthi, ngendlela, izingxoxo nezishoshovu zibonisa okuthile izishoshovu ngokwazo manje ezikwaziyo ngempela, ukuthi zinomuzwa wokuthi ukunyakaza kusengozini ngenxa yokwehluleka ukubona ukuxhumana nokusebenzisana kulezi zigaba zamandla ezixhumene, ngakho-ke sibhekana nomnyombo wamandla. inkinga esezinhliziyweni zabo bonke.
UGREGORY WILPERT: Yebo, yilokho ngempela engifuna ukukumba kancane manje, ikakhulukazi ... Futhi kunjalo, kulula ukusho ukuthi kufanele sixhume amachashazi futhi kufanele sihlangane njll., kodwa ukwenza kanjani lokho? Okokuqala, ushilo kakade ukuthi ezinye izingxoxo izishoshovu ezikubonayo lokhu, kodwa ingabe uyawubona umkhuba noma umnyakazo oya ngale, ake sithi, izishoshovu ngabanye, futhi ngikhuluma ngokunyakaza okuhlanganayo. Okwesibili, kungaba yini isu eliqondile lokwenza abantu babone isidingo sokuxhuma amachashazi futhi bahlangane ngendlela ehlanganayo yokumelana njengoba ukubiza kanjalo?
U-CHARLES DERBER: Awu, umbuzo omuhle futhi. Izinto ezimbalwa ezisheshayo ezihlukile.
Okokuqala, ngicabanga ngoNdasa Wezulu Wabantu wangowezi-2014 eNew York, okwakuyimodeli enhle ngempela yohlobo lokumelana okuhlanganisa umhlaba wonke. Lokho beku... Angazi noma ubukhona yini, Greg, kodwa bekunabantu abangaba ngu-400,000 abebemasha eDolobheni laseNew York bephikisana nokushintsha kwesimo sezulu. Kodwa kwakukhona izigaba zaleyo mashi ezazihamba ngaphansi kophawu lobufazi, nezinye ezazimasha ngaphansi kwefulegi labasebenzi, ezazihlelwe yizinyunyana nokunye. Kwakunezigaba ezazimasha ngaphansi kwezinhlangano ezimelene nempi nokuthula nokunye.
Ngicabanga ukuthi isimo sezulu siyisibonelo esihle. Uma ubheka i-Standing Rock, lapho amasiko endabuko ehlanganisa ngempela izimboni eziningi zezamasiko nezomnotho eziphikisana nowoyela namapayipi nokunye nokunye, kunokuthile mayelana nokunyakaza kwesimo sezulu okuhlangana ngokwemvelo futhi kuhlanganisa umhlaba wonke. Ngibona inhlangano yobulungiswa besimo sezulu kanye nenhlangano yobulungiswa bezemvelo njengesibonelo sentuthuko ethembisayo yalolu hlobo engizama ukuphikisa ngalo encwadini.
Isibonelo esisodwa somuntu siqu, ukuthi ngihlala endaweni engaphansi kweBoston ebizwa ngokuthi i-Dedham, futhi ezinye izinkampani ezinkulu zamapayipi e-Texan bezizama ukusuka maphakathi nezwe futhi zibeka ingqalasizinda entsha yamapayipi egesi yemvelo e-Boston enabantu abaningi kakhulu nakwezinye izindawo. amakhulu, amadolobha asoGwini lwaseMpumalanga nokunye. Omakhelwane bami โฆ Ngihlala endaweni eminyene kakhulu, kodwa kunabantu abaningi, izikole, amakhaya abantu abadala kanye nalolo hlobo lwento.
Lezi zinkampani zamapayipi zazakha lawa โฆ Lawa akuwona amapayipi amancane, amancane egesi. Ziyipayipi elikhulu legesi yemvelo. Igesi ihamba ngokushesha okukhulu. Kuyaqhuma kakhulu. Ivuza i-methane futhi iqhuma kakhulu. Cishe imayela nengxenye ukusuka endlini yami, kunengxenye yepayipi okuyingxenye esengozini kakhulu yepayipi ukuvuza nokuqhuma. Kuseduze nekwali edolobheni.
Omakhelwane bami, besaba izingane zabo futhi besaba okwabo amanani kanye nakho konke lokho, futhi babengebona abantu bezombangazwe kakhulu, baphuma nje beyobhikishela amapayipi. Khona-ke njengoba bengena kuwo ngokwengeziwe, baqaphela ukuthi izinqumo zokugcina mayelana nokubeka ipayipi nokunquma ukuthi lingakhiwa noma cha laliphumula ne-FERC, okuyi-F-E-R-C, i-Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, okuyikhomishini ye-oligarchic ngokuphelele. Ngisho nomengameli ngeke agxambukele ezinqumweni ezithathwa yilaba balawuli, bonke abangabantu abaphezulu kulezi zinkampani ezinkulu zikawoyela negesi namapayipi.
Omakhelwane bami baqale ngendlela ecashile, ewumbono omncane wokuthi nje, โKhipha la mapayipi esihogweni emagcekeni ethu angaphambili,โ noma emagcekeni angemuva, noma yini, base bevele baqonda ukuthi ukubhekana nalawa mapayipi kanye nezindawo ezingemuva. udaba olukhulu lwezemvelo, bekufanele ubhekane namandla ezinkampani kanye nokugxilisana ngokweqile kwamandla ezepolitiki nezomnotho e-Washington kuma-ejensi afana ne-FERC.
Ngicabanga ukuthi kunokuthambekela okungokwemvelo kwabantu njengoba behileleka, banentshisekelo enkulu ngesizathu esithile, futhi ngicabanga ukuthi lokho kuyisizathu sokuthi kungani abantu bezoqhubeka nokusebenza ngezindaba ezingashadile ezibaluleke ngempela kubo, futhi ngicabanga ukuthi lokho kulungile. Kodwa bazoqaphela ukuthi uma befuna ngempela ukuthuthuka futhi bafuna ukwakha ukunyakaza futhi bafuna ukuqonda izimbangela eziyinhloko, okudingekayo uma uzoxazulula inkinga, ukuthi awukwazi nje ukusebenza ngezimpawu. Awufuni nje ... ngisanda kuba ne-bronchitis. Ngathatha ama-antibiotics, kodwa uyazi, ufuna ukulungisa inkinga ewumsuka.
Lokhu kuyiqiniso ngempela nganoma iyiphi inkinga enkulu yezepolitiki njengokuguquguquka kwesimo sezulu noma impi noma ukungabi nabulungisa kwezomnotho. Kufanele ubhekane nenkinga ewumsuka. Ngakho-ke ngenxa yokuthi izishoshovu ziyazi ... bengibhekise ocwaningweni lwango-2011 olwenziwa izishoshovu ezimbili zomphakathi omnyama olubizwa ngokuthi i-Ear to the Ground, lapho zacwaninga khona izishoshovu ezingamakhulu ambalwa zomphakathi, futhi abaningi babo bathi besaba ngempela ngoba umbutho wabenza izinto eziningi ezinhle, kodwa bekubashisa ngoba benomuzwa wokuthi abafinyeleli abantu abanele, futhi bebengambi bajule ngokwanele - laba bayizishoshovu ezizinikele ngempela emphakathini, abantu abaningi bebala elimhlophe - babenomuzwa wokuthi abafinyeleli. kubantu abanele futhi baxhumane ezindabeni ngendlela ethinta zonke izinhlobo zabantu.
Ngicabanga ukuthi lokhu ... ngivumelana nawe, kuyinkinga enzima kakhulu ukuyixazulula, futhi angicabangi ukuthi incwadi yami inikeza inhlamvu yomlingo ngokwenza kanjalo. Kepha ibeka lonke uhla lwezinkinga izishoshovu ezibhekene nazo njengoba zizama ukubhekana nale nkinga. Ngicabanga ukuthi abantu bakuqaphela kakhulu, futhi angicabangi ukuthi kunendlela elula, eqinile. Angiphikisani nepolitiki yokuzazi. Ngimane ngithi sidinga ingxoxo ebanzi mayelana ne-capitalism njengohlelo oselushiywe dengwane, njengoba ngishilo, kusukela ngasekupheleni kweminyaka yawo-60, futhi sizame ukuthola izindlela esingakwenza ngazo lokhu kuxhumana.
Akusho ukuthi uhlanganisa ngokuphelele, ngoba kunengozi, njengoba abantu abaningi bezosho, ukuthi, kahle, uma uhlanganisa konke lokhu kunyakaza ukunyakaza okukhulu, khona-ke eziningi zalezi ezinye izinkinga ziba ngaphansi, futhi uthola amandla aphakathi nendawo. . Ngizwela kakhulu kulokho, ngakho-ke angiphikisani nabantu abashiya izindaba zabo noma ukunyakaza kwabo. Ngiphikisana nokuqonda okubanzi.
Lokhu manje, ngakwesobunxele, sekuyinkinga emaphakathi kakhulu njengoba abantu bebheka ukuthi uTrump wakhethwa kanjani, futhi babona ukuthi kakhulu, abantu abaningi abamhlophe, futhi ikakhulukazi abantu abamhlophe abasebenza, noma abamhlophe abahola kancane kuya kwabaphakathi, akubona abasebenzi kanye nosomabhizinisi abancane njalonjalo nabo abalinyazwa uhlelo, abavotela iRepublican futhi beseka uTrump. Leyo enye indlela engicabanga ukuthi kungase kube khona ubumbano ... Ubuze "Lokhu kungahlanganisa kanjani?" Ngibhale ngezinye zezingozi zokulwa ne-Trumpism, ngoba uhlobo luvame ukugunyaza uhlelo lweRiphabhlikhi olwandulela uTrump kanye nohlobo lwe-Trump oludala.
Ngesikhathi esifanayo, uTrump, ngenxa yokuthi ungumfana owesabekayo, usiza ukudala uhlobo oluthile lobumbano. Phela, ngemva kosuku egcotshwe ngalo, iMashi Yabesifazane kwaba usuku olukhulu lombhikisho emlandweni ngokwazi kwethu. Abantu abayizigidi ezimbalwa emhlabeni jikelele. Kusukela lapho, besinakho, noma ngabe kuhlobene nokuthatha ukunakekelwa kwezempilo noma kuhlobene nokushiya izivumelwano zesimo sezulu zaseParis noma kuhlobene nokuvinjelwa kokuhamba kanye nezinto ezimelene namaSulumane, ezilwa nokucwasa, uTrump, naphezu kokugxeka kwami. kweminye yenhlangano emelene neTrumpist njengokuphambukisa ukunaka ngandlela thile ohlelweni noma ngisho nokwenza uhlelo lube semthethweni, ngicabanga ukuthi uTrump naye ungamandla ahlanganisayo ekwenzeni uhlelo lube semhlabeni wonke.
UGREGORY WILPERT: Kulungile. Lokho empeleni yinto ebengifuna ukungena ohlotsheni oluncane lwalo njengephuzu lokugcina, ngoba njengoba usho, uTrump ngandlela thize udonsa ukunakwa kuye. Ngiyazibuza ukuthi sibenza kanjani abantu babuke ngale kukaTrump? Kuyisisulu esilula ngezindlela eziningi, okungenani kwabathuthukayo. UTrump uyisisulu esilula ngoba uthukuthele kakhulu. Futhi-ke unabo ngokwesibonelo bonke abasingathi bezingxoxo zasebusuku abahlukene abagxeka uTrump nsuku zonke, futhi kumane kuyinhloso enkulu. Udlulela kanjani ngale kwalokho ukuze uphakamise izinkinga zesistimu? Lokhu ngokuqinisekile kuyinto osuvele ukhulume ngayo, kodwa ngicabanga ngokukhethekile esibonelweni sikaTrump. Sikwenza kanjani lokho?
U-CHARLES DERBER: Hhayi-ke, okokuqala sazi ukuthi u-Trump udlala ngathi, ngandlela thize, ngoba ukunakwa okungekuhle akuthola ku-MSNBC no-Rachel Maddow kanye nalezi zintatheli ezikhululekile, ezivamile, kulapho isisekelo sakhe ... Lobu ubuzwe aluhlakulelayo. Kubalulekile ukuqaphela ukuthi uma usanda kubeka ubuso bakhe ku-TV, okunikeza imali eningi kulezi ziteshi ze-TV - nakuba isisekelo sakhe siqala ukuguguleka ngezindlela ezithile ngenxa yophenyo lukaMueller - wenza lokho akufunayo wena. ukwenza, okuwukugxila kuye.
Ngicabanga ukuthi kube nokungaqondi okuningi kokuthi iqembu lamaRiphabhulikhi, kanye nabaxhasi bezinkampani abakhe iqembu ngempela, badale noTrump. Phela uTrump ungusozigidi. Mhlawumbe akacebile njengoba esho, kodwa ungumfana ocebile kakhulu wezinkampani, futhi uphuma ku-elite yezinkampani. Kube nalolu hlobo lwezinganekwane okufanele sigxile kuTrump njengoba ngandlela thize ehlukene noma ngaphandle kwalolu hlelo lweRiphabhulikhi kanye nebhizinisi esiqale ukukhuluma ngalo ekuqaleni. Ngicabanga ukuthi lokhu kuye kwadukisa kakhulu futhi kuyingozi, ngoba lapho-ke kugxilwa khona, "Hhayi-ke, uma singavele sisuse uTrump, uhlelo luzobuyela kokujwayelekile," njengokungathi kujwayelekile lapho sifuna ukuba khona, kodwa asifuni...
Ngikhumbula ngisemashi ephikisana noTrump eyayithi, โOkuvamile akuvamile,โ okusho ukuthi sifuna ukubhekana noTrump. Uyingozi. Kodwa abantu abahlezi ku-MSNBC noma i-CNN futhi besebenzisa i-CIA noma izikhulu ze-FBI ukusho ukuthi lo mfana mubi ngoba ugxeka i-CIA noma i-FBI, i-CIA ibilokhu yenza ama-coups kanye nama-coups aphikisana nentando yeningi emhlabeni wonke ukuze asakaze lolu hlelo. , futhi i-FBI yazama ukubukela phansi inhlangano Yamalungelo Abantu kanye nenhlangano emelene nempi, futhi isangena ngesinxele.
Ngakho-ke kufanele siqaphele kakhulu ukuthi inhlangano emelene neTrumpist igcina iso layo ebholeni, ukuthi igcina iso layo ezindabeni zangempela zesistimu ezisongela ukusinda. Angisho ukuthi akufanele sibhekane nezingozi zangempela ezimele uTrump, ngoba zingokoqobo futhi ziyethusa futhi zibalulekile, kodwa ngicabanga ukuthi abaningi abaphikisana noTrump - ikakhulukazi imibukiso ye-TV yamakhebula kanye nezingxenye ezikhululekile zalowo mnyakazo ophikisana noTrump - empeleni zisebenza ngokuxakayo ukwenza kube semthethweni uhlelo lwebhizinisi, oluhlanganisa umhlaba wonke olwadala uTrump ngandlela thize.
Uyabona manje iqembu lamaRiphabhulikhi, umngane wami uNoam Chomsky alibiza ngokuthi isikhungo esiyingozi kunazo zonke emlandweni womhlaba ngoba liyinto ephika isimo sezulu kanye nohlobo lwempi. Ngandlela thize sengathi, uma sisusa uTrump, khona-ke singavele sibuyele esimweni esijwayelekile salolo hlelo olwenziwa yi-CIA ne-FBI kanye nezempi kanye nohlelo lonxiwankulu, futhi lokho kuyingozi kakhulu.
Leyo ngenye ingxenye yencwadi yami nokucabanga kwami, okuwukuthi kubaluleke kakhulu ukubekela uTrump inselelo, kodwa kufanele sigcine iso lethu ebholeni futhi sazi ukuthi sibhekene nalolu hlelo oluxhumene, uTrump ayingxenye yalo ngempela. ingxenye.
UGREGORY WILPERT: Ngeshwa, kuzofanele sikushiye lapho. Kuningi kakhulu esingakuchibiyela ngalesi sihloko esibaluleke kakhulu. Ngajoyinwa uCharlie Derber, uProfessor weSociology eBoston College. Besikhuluma ngencwadi yakhe esanda kukhishwa ethi, โSiyakwamukela ku-Revolution: Universalizing Resistance for Social Justice and Democracy in Perious Times.โ Siyabonga uCharlie ngokuhlanganyela nathi namuhla.
U-CHARLES DERBER: Kuhle ukukhuluma nawe Greg. Ngibonga kakhulu.
GREGORY WILPERT: Intokozo yami, bese nginibonga futhi, babukeli bethu, ngokuhlanganyela nathi nangokubuka i-Real News, futhi uma nithanda izindaba nokuhlaziya esikunikezayo, sicela ningakhohlwa ukunikela ku-Real News Network lokhu. isikhathi samaholide.
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