I-SHARMINI PERIES: Inethiwekhi Yezindaba Zangempela. Ngingu-Sharmini Peries, ngiza kuwe ngivela e-Baltimore.
NgoLwesithathu, uMongameli uTrump umemezele ukuthi i-United States izokwamukela umholi weqembu eliphikisayo laseVenezuela uJuan Guaido njengomongameli osemthethweni waseVenezuela. UMongameli Maduro, ephendula, umemezele ukuthi uyabunqamula ubudlelwano bezokuxhumana futhi abasebenzi benxusa lenxusa banamahora angama-72 ukuthi balishiye izwe. Konke lokhu kuqale ngemuva nje kokuthi uJuan Guaido, ongumongameli wePhalamende Likazwelonke eVenezuela, ezifungise njengomengameli.
Manje, uJuan Guaido uzifungile ngesimangalo sokuthi uNicolas Maduro, umongameli wamanje waseVenezuela, akavumelekile, futhi lokho kunikezwe ukuthi umongameli kanye nephini likamongameli bangekho emthethweni, ukuthi nguyena olandelayo ohlwini lukamongameli. Izolo iPhini likaMengameli uMike Pence ubeke inkundla yakho konke lokhu ngokwenza isimemezelo esiqondiswe kubantu baseVenezuela, ebanxusa ukuthi bavukele uMengameli uMaduro.
UMIKE PENCE: Egameni likaMongameli uDonald Trump kanye nabo bonke abantu baseMelika, ake ngizwakalise ukwesekwa okungantengantengi kwe-United States, njengoba nina, bantu baseVenezuela, niphakamisa amazwi enu ekuceleni inkululeko. UNicolas Maduro ungumashiqela ongenalo igunya elizwakalayo. I-United States ihlanganyela nawo wonke amazwe athanda inkululeko ekuboneni Isishayamthetho Sikazwelonke njengomthombo wokugcina wentando yeningi ezweni lakini, ngoba uwukuphela komgwamanda okhethwe nguwe, abantu. Ngakho-ke, i-United States iyaseseka isinqumo sesibindi sikaJuan Guaido, umongameli weSishayamthetho Sikazwelonke, sokugomela amandla aleyo nhlangano yomthethosisekelo, amemezele uMaduro njengomuntu oqhwaga umbuso futhi acele ukuthi kusungulwe uhulumeni wesikhashana.
I-SHARMINI PERIES: Manje, okuholela kukho konke lokhu, amashumi ezinkulungwane zabantu baseVenezuela base bengene emigwaqweni yaseCaracas ngesikhumbuzo seminyaka engama-61 sokuketulwa kukamashiqela wokugcina waseVenezuela, uMarcos Perez Jimenez. Manje, abasekeli bakaMongameli Maduro nabo bangena emigwaqweni, ngoba lokhu kuwumcimbi waminyaka yonke lapho izinhlangothi zombili, noma nje amaVenezuela jikelele, eze ukuzogubha. Kodwa le mibhikisho, ikakhulukazi imibhikisho yabaphikisayo, yasetshenziswa ukuze kubukeke sengathi lena kwakuyimibhikisho emikhulu ekhombisa ukuketulwa, noma isifiso sokuketula, uNicolas Maduro.
Manje, okwenzeka eVenezuela kuyisihloko sale ngxoxo. Futhi osijoyina sisuka eNew York namuhla u-Alex Main. Ungumqondisi woMnyango Wenqubomgomo Yamazwe Ngamazwe esikhungweni Socwaningo Lwezomnotho Nenqubomgomo e-Washington DC. Futhi ongijoyina lapha esitudiyo sethu nguGregory Wilpert. Ungumhleli wethu Ophethe lapha ku-Real News futhi ungumbhali we-Changing Venezuela by Taking Power. Madoda, nginibonga nobabili ngokuhlanganyela nami.
U-GREG WILPERT: Kubonga mina.
U-ALEX MAIN: Ngiyabonga.
I-SHARMINI PERIES: Kulungile, Alex ake ngiqale ngawe. Usebenzela inqubomgomo yokuqondisa ye-CEPR, ngakho-ke unolwazi oluningi eWashington mayelana nokuzama ukwenza umqondo wenqubomgomo yezangaphandle yase-US maqondana neVenezuela. Futhi kube nemizamo yamasu lapha ngasohlangothini lwe-US yokukhubaza umnotho waseVenezuela, ukuze, ihlele isifunda ngokumelene neVenezuela. Sinikeze umqondo wamasu uhulumeni wase-US kanye nokuphathwa kukaTrump ikakhulukazi abawenza ezinyangeni ezedlule.
U-ALEX MAIN: Hhayi-ke, lokhu kuphatha bekusebenzisa amasu amaningi kule minyaka embalwa edlule. Ngempela, basekela iqhinga eliqhubekayo lokushintsha umbuso eVenezuela esilibone isikhathi eside, siqala ngokuphatha kukaGeorge W. Bush. Futhi kwaqhubeka, ngokwezinga elikhulu, ngaphansi kokuphatha kuka-Obama, nakuba mhlawumbe kungabonakali ngokwedlulele njengoba kwenzeka, futhi, kwabonakala kakhulu ngaphansi kukaMongameli uTrump. Futhi ikakhulukazi kusukela ngo-Agasti ka-2017, lapho efaka unswinyo lwezomnotho oluye lwalambisa ngempela umnotho wezimali ezidingekayo zamazwe ngamazwe ngesikhathi lapho umnotho, vele, ubusenkingeni enkulu.
Ngakho-ke kusikhumbuza uhlobo lwenqubomgomo yase-US esayibona ibheke e-Chile ekuqaleni kwawo-1970, lapho ngicabanga ukuthi uKissinger noma u-Nixon owathi, “Sizokwenza umnotho umemeze.” Futhi ngokuqinisekile, umnotho waseVenezuela ubulokhu umemeza. Kufanele yenze okuningi ngezinye zezinqubomgomo zezomnotho ezinamaphutha zikahulumeni wakwaMaduro uqobo, kepha isikhule kabi kakhulu selokhu kwafakwa lezi unswinyo. Futhi-ke sekube nezinkulumo eziningi ngokungenelela kwamasosha kanye nokuketulwa umbuso kwabantu bobabili abangaphakathi kwezokuphatha, njengalowo owayenguNobhala Wezwe u-Rex Tillerson, kanye nabantu abasondelene kakhulu nabaphathi abaye baba nomthelela omkhulu kunqubomgomo yaseVenezuela, njengalokhu. njengoMarco Rubio, oseke wafaka umqondo wokuketula umbuso ukuze kuxazululwe izinkinga zaseVenezuela.
Futhi manje sibona isu lokungabonwa okuphelele. Ngempela ukuba nobulungisa, lokhu kuphatha akuzange kuqaphele ngempela uhulumeni waseMaduro. Ngemva kokhetho olwaqala ukukhetha uMaduro, abaphathi baka-Obama, vele, babengakayiboni imiphumela futhi babelandele ukuphikiswa okuqinile ekungayiboni imiphumela yalolo khetho. Base befunda ukuhlala nohulumeni, kodwa manje sebephuma bethi abasaboni ukuthi uhulumeni usemthethweni. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi yini ecace kakhulu ukuthi ngazo zonke lezi zinsongo, nezijeziso nokunye, bazama ngempela ukuthola ukuphulwa ngaphakathi kwamabutho ahlomile aseVenezuela. Ngempela, babonakala njengabaxazululi, ngeshwa, babonakala njengabaxazululi bemiphumela yezombangazwe eVenezuela namuhla. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi kukhona umzamo omkhulu wokuzama ukuchukuluza amasosha ukuba asekele lo mholi weqembu eliphikisayo osanda kumenyezelwa owayengaziwa kuze kube emasontweni ambalwa edlule.
Futhi-ke, kunemibiko eyaphuma ekuqaleni konyaka owedlule yokuthi izikhulu eziphezulu zokuphatha zikaTrump bezihlangene nezikhulu zamasosha aseVenezuela eziphikisayo, ebezifuna ukwesekwa ngokuvukela umbuso. Ngakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi yilokho okwenzekayo lapha, futhi kuzodingeka sibone. Ngisho, kuze kube manje amabutho ahlomile, noma okungenani inqwaba yamabutho ahlomile futhi ngokuqinisekile umyalo ophezulu wamabutho ahlomile aseVenezuela, manje usefuna ukuhileleka ngale ndlela kwezombusazwe, futhi ngethemba ukuthi lokho kuzohlala kunjalo. . Kodwa ngokusobala, singaphansi kwengcindezi enkulu kulokhu.
I-SHARMINI PERIES: Kulungile, Greg. Manje, kulabo abasanda kusijoyina futhi bebengeyona ingxenye ye-Livestream edlule esasiyenzile eVenezuela njengoba lezi zindaba zivela, sinikeze umqondo wokuthi yiziphi ezinye zezehlakalo ezenzeke esikhathini esidlule esedlule. kuholele kulesi simo namuhla.
U-GREG WILPERT: Okokuqala nje, njengoba u-Alex eshilo, imizamo yokuketula uhulumeni kaChavez bese uhulumeni waseMaduro ebuyela emuva, futhi-ke, wathola inkulumo ebaluleke kakhulu emzamweni wokuketula umbuso ngo-2002 ngokumelene noChavez. Kodwa muva nje, le mizamo, yebo, iye yaqina, futhi ngicabanga ukuthi izizathu eziye zaqina ziphindwe kaningi. Okokuqala, kwaba nokushona kukaMengameli uChavez, futhi lokho kwabukeka njengethuba lamaqembu aphikisayo kanye nohulumeni wase-US ukuba aketule uhulumeni, kulapho-ke ahlela khona imibhikisho emikhulu kakade, ngemva kwalolo khetho. Khona-ke inkinga yezomnotho, ukwehla kwamanani kawoyela, izinqubomgomo zezomnotho ezingalungile engxenyeni kahulumeni waseMaduro okwaholela e-hyperinflation, kwaholela ngicabanga ukuthi unswinyo, olwengeziwe lwaqinisa isimo somnotho.
Futhi-ke, kunjalo, futhi, kusukela ezinyangeni ezimbalwa ezedlule, umzamo wokubulala usebenzisa amabhomu kuma-drones ahlasele uMaduro ngesikhathi sombukiso wezempi. Futhi lokho kwabhuntshiwa, kodwa lokho kwakuyinkomba ecacile okwamanje yemizamo yokuketula uMaduro. Yena ngokwakhe, ngokuhamba kwesikhathi, waqhubeka wathi eminye imizamo izoza futhi wakhomba uMike Pence noJohn Bolton kanye noMarco Rubio njengababambe le mizamo. Futhi lokhu kwakungemva kwalokho, ngicabanga ukuthi, kwaqinisekiswa ngabo bobabili, okungukuthi, uhambo lukaPence noBolton kulo lonke elaseLatin America, lapho bavakashela khona ohulumeni abahlukahlukene futhi babacindezela ukuba baphendukele eVenezuela, hhayi ukuthi babedinga ukusunduzwa okuningi, uma kucatshangelwa. ukuthi bavakashela kakhulu ohulumeni abalandela imithetho. Vele, i-Ecuador, ngicabanga ukuthi, bekuyinto ehlukile ethokozisayo yokuthi okungenani isikhathi esithile ibingathathwa njengedla ngoludala, kodwa manje kufanele kubhekwe njengengxenye yalelo kamu elilandela imithetho.
Futhi-ke sibe nemicimbi ethokozisayo ekhombisa ukuphuka kwemishini yezokuphepha kuhulumeni waseVenezuela, okokuqala ngqa kokuboshwa komholi ophikisayo, uJuan Guaido, okwaba ukuboshwa komgunyathi. U-Guaido ngokwakhe uthe empeleni babemzwela futhi bamkhulula ngokushesha futhi babemtshela ukuthi enze okuthile, empeleni. Bese kuthi isigameko samasosha onogada besizwe abezama ukweba izikhali, angu-27 agcine eboshiwe, lokhu kwenzeke izolo nje. Ngakho sibe nenani lezigameko ezahlukene eziholele kulokhu. Futhi sasazi ukuthi kakade, uJuan Guaido, lapho eqala ukuthatha isikhundla soMkhandlu Kazwelonke, wathi empeleni wayehlose into enjengale, ukuthi wayengaqapheli uMongameli Maduro njengomongameli osemthethweni waseVenezuela, futhi kakade waphakamisa ukuthi okuthile njengoba lokhu kuzofika maduze noma kamuva.
Ngicabanga ukuthi okwenze abantu bamangala ngaphezu kwanoma yini, nakuba sabona izimpawu eziyisixwayiso zalokhu futhi, ukuqashelwa nguhulumeni wase-US nguNobhala Jikelele we-OAS, futhi manje inqwaba yabanye ohulumeni abalondolozayo esifundeni, lokho UMaduro akayena umongameli osemthethweni, ngokusho kwabo.
I-SHARMINI PERIES: Kulungile, Alex. Sinikeze umuzwa wohlobo lokusekelwa abaphikisi baseVenezuela, futhi ngicabanga ukuthi u-Juan Guido ikakhulukazi, abakuthola emphakathini wamazwe ngamazwe, okungenani esifundeni manje. I-US vele yamgunyaza ukuthi azifunge njengomongameli, njengoba ngishilo ekuqaleni, kodwa ngasikhathi sinye sinamazwe okungenzeka ukuthi esikhathini esidlule awazange angathathi hlangothi esimweni saseLatin America eza phambili futhi esekela uJuan Guaido. Futhi lokhu kuyamangaza kakhulu, ikakhulukazi evela eCanada, evela e-Ecuador. Asimangali ngeBolsonaro yaseBrazil, njengoba yena kanye nabaphathi bakaTrump sebevele bamemezele ubuhlobo phakathi kwabo ngokwesifunda. Kepha wenzani ngoxhaso olutholwa nguJuan Guaido esifundeni?
U-ALEX MAIN: Nokho, ngakolunye uhlangothi, njengoba uGreg ayebonisa, baningi ohulumeni abalondolozayo laphaya manje eLatin America. Kube nokushwibeka okukhulu kwesokudla. Futhi unophiko lwesokudla kanye nohulumeni ophiko lwesokudla, njengaseBrazil, abaqondaniswe ngokuphelele, nesu lase-US lokushintsha umbuso eVenezuela. Ngakho-ke, yisimo se-geopolitical esinzima kakhulu e-Venezuela okwamanje, inabalingani abambalwa kakhulu. Kodwa okungimangazayo wukuthi sebekulungele kangakanani ukwamukela ukungenelela okukhulu kangaka kwezombusazwe zangaphakathi. Ngoba ngokwesiko e-Latin America, kube khona ukuhoxa okuqinile kulolo hlobo lwento, okuvela ngokusobala emlandweni wokungenelela kwe-US esifundeni.
Futhi-ke, kube khona empeleni-futhi ngicabanga ukuthi udaba lwaseCuba luwuphawu lwalokho, lokuthi ohulumeni baseLatin America bobabili kwesokudla nakwesobunxele baye baphikisana kakhulu nesu lase-US lokushintsha umbuso eCuba isikhathi eside. isikhathi eside. Ngakho-ke kuyamangaza ukubabona behamba ngale ndlela endabeni yaseVenezuela, kodwa ngicabanga ukuthi kunento yokwenza neqiniso lokuthi iVenezuela ayiyona nje into engaphandle ngokwezepolitiki esifundeni manje, kodwa iyizwe elinjalo. Imele usongo lwangempela kwabelungelo ngokwesifunda, kangangokuthi uma besimama ngokwezomnotho, uma amanani kawoyela enyuka futhi, ungase uphinde ube yisizinda esinamandla sesifunda njengoba wawungaphansi kukaChavez, ungaba nomthelela omkhulu kwezombusazwe emhlabeni jikelele. isifunda. Futhi-ke, i-Venezuela yayingumholi wangempela ohlotsheni lwegagasi elibomvana lohulumeni bangakwesokunxele abavela ekuqaleni kwawo-2000, futhi babenamandla impela kwaze kwaba ngu-2009, 2010.
Ngakho-ke, ngicabanga ukuthi okwenzekayo ngokwengxenye kuwukwesaba kwangempela ukuthi iVenezuela ingase ibuye, ngomqondo ongokomfanekiso. Okwamanje, bakhubazekile ngempela kwezomnotho. Ngisho ukuthi, basesimeni esinzima kakhulu i-US esenze saba nzima kakhulu. Futhi awekho amanye amazwe abeke lezi zinhlobo zezijeziso zezomnotho ngokumelene neVenezuela, kodwa-ke, njengoba iningi lezikhungo zezimali zamazwe ngamazwe, ezizimele nezomphakathi, zisebenza nge-United States, unswinyo lwase-United States lunomphumela omkhulu kakhulu. Ngakho-ke, yebo, ngakolunye uhlangothi, angimangazi, ngakolunye uhlangothi, ngezinga elithile, ngimangele ukuthi bazokwamukela leli zinga lokungenelela. Lokho kuyisibonelo esibi ngempela. Futhi-ke, iphula umthetho wamazwe ngamazwe, iphula umthetho-sisekelo we-OAS, igxambukela kuleli zinga kwezombusazwe zangaphakathi zelinye izwe.
I-SHARMINI PERIES: Kulungile, Greg. Manje, kube nezingxabano ezinkulu zezomnotho zangaphakathi kubantu baseVenezuela eminyakeni emihlanu edlule, cishe iminyaka eyisithupha manje, futhi lokhu kungase kuholele abantu, ngisho ukuthi ukunganeliseki kukhulu kangangokuthi abantu bavame ukusekela noma yiluphi ushintsho, ngisho olusemthethweni noma olusemthethweni. hhayi, kodwa abantu bayahlupheka. Manje, yini uhulumeni angayenza? Ngiqonde ukuthi kufanele sibhekane neqiniso lokuthi eziningi lezi zinxushunxushu zezomnotho ngabe uhulumeni wakwazi ukukugwema ukube wethule imigomo ethile yezomnotho ngokushesha futhi wayilungisa le nkinga ngqo. Pho uma weluleka uhulumeni ngabe uthini kubo?
U-GREG WILPERT: Hhayi-ke, kunohlobo lwendaba esixoxile ngayo lapha komunye umbiko ngezindaba Zangempela noMark Weisbrot, oveza ukuthi unswinyo lwamanje eVenezuela lwenza kube nzima kakhulu ukwenza ukulungiswa kwesifundo, kungenzeki, kodwa kube nzima kakhulu. Futhi inkinga enkulu ukuthi i-Venezuela, ngicabanga ukuthi uhulumeni waseMaduro akazange asebenzise inqubomgomo yezinga lokushintshaniswa okunengqondo, ngakho-ke udale inani elikhulu lamathuba enkohlakalo. Futhi lapho inkinga yezombangazwe ihlasela, kwaba nenani elikhulu lemali ekhishwayo, eyadala igebe elikhulu phakathi kwezinga lokushintshisana elisemthethweni kanye nezinga lokushintshaniswa kwezimakethe ezimnyama, futhi lokhu kwaholela emathubeni amangalisayo enkohlakalo eVenezuela. Futhi leyo nkinga ayizange ilungiswe ngempela. Uhulumeni uzamile ukwenza izinguquko ezehlukene kwezomnotho, kodwa akukho neyodwa yazo eya kude ngempela ukulungisa lokhu noma ukuxazulula le nkinga ebalulekile. Ngakho-ke, lokho kuwuhlobo lwenhliziyo yenkinga yezomnotho ngombono wami futhi ngicabanga ngokubona kwabanye osomnotho abaningi abaye babheka lokhu.
Kodwa njengamanje, babhekene, phezu kwale nkinga yezomnotho, le nkinga yezombangazwe, le nkinga ye-geopolitical, ngempela, engaholela empini yombango yangempela njengesimo. Ngicabanga ukuthi kufanele sicace kakhulu kulokhu, yingakho ngicabanga, kungakhathaliseki ukuthi ucabangani ngalokho uhulumeni waseMaduro akwenzile kwezomnotho noma kwezombusazwe, akufanele avumele izinto ukuba zize esimweni lapho impi yombango iqala khona ngempela. . Okusho ukuthi, njengoba u-Alex eshilo, kukhona leli themba ngasohlangothini lokuphatha kukaTrump kanye neqembu eliphikisayo - umuntu kufanele akhumbule ukuthi kukhona nabaphikisi abalinganiselayo abangayiphishekeli le nqubo ethile futhi empeleni abakaze bagunyaze uGuaido. njengomongameli. Kepha lokhu kuphikisa okunamandla kanye nokuphatha kukaTrump baphishekela inkambo lapho benethemba lokuthi kuzovela umbhikisho wamasosha ozoqeda izwe lonke uzobeka izimpilo zawo wonke umuntu engcupheni. Futhi i-US ithwala wonke umthwalo walolu hlobo lwesimo, uma kungenzeka.
I-SHARMINI PERIES: Kulungile, Alex. Manje, ukuphathwa kukaTrump kubonakala kucace kakhulu ukuthi bakuphi. Iphi iCongress kanye neSenethi, ingabe akhona amalungu ngaphakathi kwalezi zinhlaka angathatha isikhundla esihlukile kunesokuphatha kukaTrump, futhi ingabe likhona ithemba lokuthi kukhona ukungaboni ngasolinye mayelana nokuvumela uGuaido ngale ndlela? Futhi ingabe kukhona uKhongolose ongakwenza? Ingabe omunye walo msebenzi wangempela walolu hlobo lwenqubomgomo yezangaphandle akuwekhongolose?
U-ALEX MAIN: Hhayi-ke, ngezinga abaphathi bakaTrump benza ngalo okungekho emthethweni, okungekho emthethweni ngaphansi komthetho wamazwe omhlaba, ukungenelela okungekho emthethweni, iCongress kufanele izame ukusebenza njengesheke kulokho futhi ibambe uhulumeni aziphendulele. Ngeshwa, iningi lobuholi beCongress, ngicabanga ukuthi, empeleni libi kakhulu eVenezuela, futhi lokhu kungenxa yezizathu ezahlukahlukene. Kepha ngicabanga ukuthi okunye okubalulekile ukuthi akukho ukuphindisela emuva kunoma yimiphi imikhakha. Impela, iningi labantu baseVenezuela abalapha e-US, abakwa-diaspora, bavame ukuvumela ukungenelela kwe-US. Futhi kungumthelela wepolitiki yaseFlorida, lapho isikhathi eside kakhulu, futhi ngeshwa isaqhubeka injalo, empeleni imikhakha yeLatino eqinile esiyithola eSouth Florida nakwezinye izingxenye zezwe, njengengxenye elinganiselwe kakhulu. ngokwesibonelo, eNew Jersey. Banomthelela omkhulu emalungwini athile eCongress.
Futhi lawa malungu eCongress athambekele ekuhlanganeni eKomidini Lezangaphandle Lendlu kanye neKomidi LeSigele Lezobudlelwano Nangaphandle, lapho vele, anamandla amaningi kunqubomgomo yase-US eLatin America. Ngakho-ke, okuhamba phambili kule mikhakha bekulokhu, ngokwesiko, ukushintsha kombuso eCuba, kodwa sekuguqukele kakhulu eVenezuela, ngokwengxenye ngoba iVenezuela ibonwa, ngicabanga ngephutha, njengokusekela uhulumeni waseCuba ngandlela thile, kodwa futhi ngoba futhi. , ngenxa yethonya elikhulu lesifunda laseVenezuela njengamandla kawoyela. Ngakho-ke banenkani ngempela eVenezuela futhi sebenesikhathi eside kakhulu, futhi badlale indima enkulu kakhulu ekubumbeni inqubomgomo.
Manje, unemikhakha ethile ethuthukayo eye yaphikisana, empeleni, bobabili u-Obama kanye noTrump, ngezinqubomgomo ezithile ezibhekiswe eVenezuela, futhi ikakhulukazi unswinyo, abaluhlonze ngokufanele ukuthi luyingozi kubantu abavamile baseVenezuela, kodwa futhi lube nomthelela wokuhlukanisa eVenezuela kanye Ipolitiki yaseVenezuela, kanye nohlobo lokusebenzela ukuqinisa amandla aqinile kuzo zombili izinhlangothi zokwahlukana kwezepolitiki, ngaleyo ndlela kubukela phansi imizamo yokuba nezingxoxo. Futhi kube nemizamo eye yavinjwa phambilini yimikhakha eqinile, ngokusekelwa ngabaqinile abafana noSenator uMarco Rubio, futhi kunemizamo emisha eqhubekayo. Futhi ngeshwa, isikhundla esithathwa yi-US, nokuthi iBrazil isilandele futhi iCanada isilandele manje, i-Ecuador nayo, ibeka engcupheni yokuhlukanisa izinto ngokwepolitiki.
Impela, kunengozi yempi yombango, ikakhulukazi uma kukhona ukwephulwa kwangempela phakathi kwamabutho ahlomile. Futhi lokho kungenzeka, futhi izinto zingaba nodlame kakhulu, zibe zimbi kakhulu futhi zingaba nemiphumela elimazayo, hhayi nje kubantu baseVenezuela, kodwa ngempela esifundeni saseLatin America. Impela kungaba nemiphumela ye-spillover.
I-SHARMINI PERIES: Greg, yimuphi umthwalo wezempi manje? Futhi okuningi kulele kwamasosha nokuthi azokwenza kanjani. Esikhathini esidlule baye bakhetha ukugcina ukuthula kanye nobudlova obuncane kakhulu obungenzeka. Ucabanga ukuthi kuyoba njalo?
U-GREG WILPERT: Hhayi-ke, kunzima kakhulu ukusho. Ngithe engxenyeni edlule ukuthi ngicabanga ukuthi iyahlukahluka, yebo, ngokwezikhundla, lapho ngicabanga ukuthi ojenene bazobamba noMaduro, kodwa asazi. Okungaziwa okukhulu ukuthi ngabe izikhulu ezisezingeni eliphakathi neziphansi mhlawumbe zizohlela okuthile ngokumelene noMaduro. Ziningi kakhulu, kunzima ukwazi ukuthi wonke umuntu ucabangani. Futhi nabo babhekene nenkinga yezomnotho, ngakho-ke abanye babo bangase bakhuthazeke ngenxa yalokho. Ngaphezu kwalokho, abazuzi kukho—abaningi babo empeleni bayazuza enkohlakalweni, kodwa abanye babo abazuzi, ngoba abakwazi ukufinyelela lezo zinhlobo zezinzuzo. Noma abanye bangase banganaki, futhi bathi, “Hhayi-ke, singenza imali eyengeziwe ngaphansi kukahulumeni ophikisayo onenkohlakalo, okuyinto engenzeka ngempela.
Ngakho asazi nje ukuthi kuzokwenzekani kulabo. Ngicabanga ukuthi lowo umbuzo omkhulu ngempela. Kodwa into eyinhloko, ngicabanga ukuthi, empeleni ukuthi abaphikisi badinga ngempela ukubuya ezingqondweni zabo eVenezuela futhi baxoxisane nohulumeni waseMaduro. Uhulumeni waseMaduro uthembise ukuxoxisana nabaphikisayo. Eqinisweni, njengoba ngishilo, kukhona abantu abaphikisayo abazimisele ngokuxoxisana nabo. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi uhulumeni naye udinga ukwenza ukuvumelana kwangempela, ngisho ngomqondo wokuthi udinga ukubona ukuthi isimo siyingozi kangakanani. Ngicabanga ukuthi uMaduro akufanele akholelwe nje ngokunganaki ukuthi konke kuzohamba kahle. Lesi yisimo esibucayi kakhulu okwamanje, ngicabanga, futhi lokho kusho ukuthi ukuze kuvinjelwe ukuchitheka kwegazi, kusho ukuvuma okuthile kwabaphikisayo. Lowo umbono wami. Ngoba uma bengakwenzi, singangena, njengoba mina no-Alex sike sasho, esimweni sempi yombango.
I-SHARMINI PERIES: Kubukeka kanjani lokho, ukwamukela ukuphikisa?
U-GREG WILPERT: Kunzima ukusho. Ngisho, kungase kubandakanye nolunye ukhetho lukamongameli, mhlawumbe. Ngisho, into efana naleyo, into emangalisayo. Ngiyazi ukuthi lokho kuzwakala njengokuhlanya ukuthi abanye abantu abasohlangothini lweChavista bacabange, kepha kuzofanela kube inguquko ephethwe, okungaba yiyo, ngicabanga, uma kunokhetho. Noma ngabe abaphikisi bebenganqoba, bekungeke kusho ukulahlekelwa amandla ngokuphelele. Basenezinye izikhungo eziningi. Kungaba uguquko oluphethwe, kanti uma inkambo ephikiswa kakhulu kanye nenkambo efunwa ngabaphathi bakaTrump iyikhefu eliphelele. Bafuna ukususa, ukusula i-Chavismo ebusweni bomhlaba, futhi lokho kungenzeka kuphela ngokuchithwa kwegazi. Yingakho ngithi ukuze kuvinjwe lokho, kuyobe kusho ukuvumelana okufanele kwenziwe wuhulumeni.
I-SHARMINI PERIES: Kulungile, Alex. Ake ngikunikeze izwi lokugcina. Ngokuqondene neWashington, futhi uma kukhona abantu kuCongress abafuna ukugwema ukuchitheka kwegazi kanye nalokhu kubhebhetheka kwesimo eVenezuela, kufanele kwenzekeni manje?
U-ALEX MAIN: Nokho, abantu abaningi badinga ukunaka kuCongress, ngoba njengoba ngishilo, ngeshwa, baye bavumela uhlobo lwamaphiko alungile ane-radical interventionist ajenda eLatin America ukuba ibe nesandla esikhulu engxoxweni yaseLatin America, ukuze lungisa ngempela i-ajenda yenqubomgomo. Ngakho-ke kudingeka nje kube nokubandakanyeka okwengeziwe kwabathuthukayo. Kufanele ngabe bahileleka kakhulu ngaphambili, futhi baye bakhuluma ngezikhathi ezithile. Kepha empeleni, esikubonayo manje, bekunokwesekwa okukhulu komzamo ka-Obama wokujwayela oqhamuke ngobuningi bamaDemocrat kanye nenani lamaRepublican. Futhi ngokusobala leyo kwakuyinqubomgomo enengqondo, enengqondo. Futhi nokho, asikuboni lokho endabeni yaseVenezuela. Abantu bashaye indiva, abakaze basizwe isidingo, noma iyiphi ingcindezi yokwenza lokho.
Kodwa sibona umlilo wangempela, isimo esingaba inkinga enkulu, ekugcineni, e-United States. Uthunaza i-Venezuela, ugcina usudala ukungazinzi, ngokungananazi, ingxenye enkulu yesifunda, impela isifunda sase-Andean. Futhi leyo yinto okufanele ikhathaze, futhi amalungu eCongress kufanele afune ukukhipha lokho esingakuchaza njengamaqhinga okudicilela phansi asetshenziswa abaphathi bakaTrump.
I-SHARMINI PERIES: Kulungile. Thina lapha e-The Real News sizoqhubeka nokuba nale ngxoxo mayelana nalokho okwenzeka eVenezuela nokuthi yini engenziwa ngakho. Bengilokhu ngikhuluma no-Alex Main, unguMqondisi Wenqubomgomo Yamazwe Ngamazwe esikhungweni Senqubomgomo Yezomnotho Nocwaningo eWashington, DC. Futhi bengilokhu ngikhuluma noMhleli wethu Ophethe lapha ku-Real News Network. Futhi incwadi yakhe ethi, Changing Venezuela by Taking Power, izophawulwa kulesi simo. Ngiyabonga kakhulu ngokusijoyina, sobabili u-Alex no-Greg.
U-GREG WILPERT: Siyabonga.
U-ALEX MAIN: Ngiyabonga.
I-SHARMINI PERIES: Futhi sizoqhubeka nale ngxoxo kusasa lapha ku-Real News Network, ngakho-ke hlanganyela nathi futhi siyabonga ngokusijoyina.
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Kubantu base-US, inkinga yesikhathi eside ukuthi luncane kakhulu ulwazi lwangempela mayelana nezinye izindawo emhlabeni. Sigxile kakhulu e-US, futhi abaningi abanamandla okuvakashela kwezinye izindawo ikakhulukazi amaqembu amabili, izivakashi ezihamba phambili kanye nezintshisakalo zebhizinisi/zebhizinisi ezigxile endabeni eyodwa eyinhloko: inzuzo.
Ngesikhathi ngisafunda iziqu zami ngagxila eLatin America–izifundo zomlando, izifundo zolimi, njll. Lapho sengineminyaka engaphezu kwama-20, ngabona ukuthi okuningi engangikufundiswa kwakungasizi ngalutho, kunganembile, noma kuchemile ngokuphelele. lokho kwenza ukuqonda isifunda kucishe kungenzeki. Ekugcineni, ngemva kweminyaka eminingi, ngahlala eLatin Amerca, lapho ngazibonela khona mathupha lokho engangifuna ukukufunda. Umbono wawuhluke kakhulu, kunjalo, futhi ngabona imiphumela ebonakalayo yezinqubomgomo nezenzo zase-US ngesiLatin Amerca. Kwakwethusa, ekuqaleni.
Nginomngane eBrazil oke waba ummeli wezabasebenzi futhi unesithakazelo ngokwemvelo ezintweni ezinjalo. Akayona i-polemical, kodwa uyasebenza ngempela. Lapho ezinsukwini ezimbili ezedlule ebhala ngeVenezuela, wathi ingxenye embi kakhulu yezehlakalo ukushona kwabantu abangu-16. Uzwela nozwelo lwakhe lwaluhlakaniphe kakhulu futhi lunengqondo, impendulo yomuntu kakhulu esimweni esinzima. Lokhu akuyona into ebaluleke kakhulu kubenzi bezinqubomgomo base-US kanye nezintshisakalo zebhizinisi, futhi ngokuqinisekile akuyona into egxilwe ngu-Elliott Abrams osanda kufakwa esikhundleni sokuphatha kukaTrump ukubhekana neVenezuela. U-Abrams unomlando omude wokushintsha umbuso, ukungenelela kwezempi, kanye nodlame eLatin America, ebuyela emuva enkathini ye-Reagan imisebenzi ye-Iran-Contra e-Central America eyabamba iqhaza elibalulekile ekucekeleni phansi i-El Salvador ne-Nicaragua.
Kithina e-US, indlela yokuthola ukuqonda kwangempela ngomhlaba kanye naseLatin America kuyinkinga enkulu, futhi ukuqaphela ubukhosi bezinye izizwe kufanele kube maphakathi. Ukufeza lezi zinto ezimbili ngeke kwenzeke ngokuzithandela.
Uyazi, amagama anjengokuthi "ubushiqela" akhishwa ngaso sonke isikhathi nguhulumeni wase-US lapho ekhuluma ngeVenezuela, ngisho nabezindaba abajwayelekile bawele kulolo gibe. Asilusebenzisi lolu limi uma umongameli wethu evala uhulumeni esebenzisa i-fiat isikhathi esingaphezu kwenyanga. Ngisho nalo mniningwane owodwa usho okuningi ngomcabango owenza ukuqonda umhlaba nezwe lethu kube yisabelo esinzima.