MaDemocrats anofarira uya nebanga kupfuti, nepo maRepublicans vachiunza rocket launcher. Muchiitiko ichi chakakosha, chakarekodhwa cheDeconstructed, Mehdi Hasan anobatanidzwa nechikwata chevamiriri vemitemo vakasiya uye magweta paNational Union Building muWashington, DC Sen. Jeff Merkley wekuOregon akaiswa pachinzvimbo semuDemocrat anofambira mberi muSeneti uye ndiye ega senator weDemocratic akatsigira Bernie Sanders semutungamiri muna 2016. California Congressman Ro Khanna inhengo inotungamira yeImba Progressive Caucus uye mubatsiri we STOP Bezos Act, izvo zvakabatsira kumanikidza Amazon kuti ikwidze kambani muhoro kare. mwedzi uno. Mutauriri wezvematongerwo enyika weCNN, Symone Sanders, aive munyori wezvenhau munyika weBernie Sanders's 2016 mutungamiri wenyika uye aimbove shamwari yeHarvard. Nina Turner, muvambi weRevolution Yedu uye aimbove senator weOhio state, akatumidzwa zita rePolitico's Playbook Power List revanhu gumi nevasere kuti vatarise mune zvematongerwo enyika muna 18. Pamwe chete, vamiriri ava vanobatana naMehdi Hasan kuti vakurukure kana maDemocrats achatora kuruboshwe uye kushandisa. ruzhinji rwavo rwuri kuuya muna 2018 kuti varege kungodzora kana kupomera Donald Trump, asi kusundira kune yakashinga, inofambira mberi ajenda.
Mehdi Hasan: Ndini Mehdi Hasan uye ndinogamuchirwa kune imwe shanduro yakakosha yeDeconstructed.
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MH: Nhasi tiri pamberi pevateereri vari kuNational Union Building muWashington D.C. pamberi pepakati pemwedzi unouya uye kuuya kweblue wave. Ndabatanidzwa nechikwata chevanovhenekera vasara pano kuti tikurukure nezveramangwana reAmerican akasara, kunyanya muCongress.
Nekuti kana maDemocrat akatora Imba, pamwe kunyangwe Seneti zvakare, chii chinoitika chinotevera, ivo vakagadzirira kutora rutivi rwekuruboshwe vonyatsorwira zvavanotenda mazviri? Nekuti maDemocrats, zvakanaka, vanowanzo kuunza banga kuhondo yepfuti, nepo maRepublicans vachiunza rocket launcher. Saka, mubvunzo watiri kukurukura nhasi ndewekuti vazhinji veDemocratic muCongress vachashandisa simba rayo kwete kungotevera mudzvanyiriri muWhite House asi kusundira kune hushingi, hurongwa hwekufambira mberi? MaDemocrat akagadzirira kuita mhirizhonga?
Tine stellar panel nhasi. Senator Jeff Merkley vekuOregon vakaiswa pachinzvimbo chevaDemocrat vari kuenderera mberi mudare reSenate. Ndiyewo chete Democratic Senator akatsigira Bernie Sanders semutungamiri muna 2016. Muna June akadzingwa kubva kune imwe nzvimbo yehusungwa kumuganhu weTexas. Akatora firimu rekusangana. Zvakaenda nehutachiona kutanga kwemwedzi uno. Akatora matanho emutemo kuedza uye kusunungurwa zviuru zvezvinyorwa zvakavharwa zvine chokuita nenguva yaBrett Kavanaugh muBush White House.
Congressman Ro Khanna wekuCalifornia inhengo inotungamira yeHouse Progressive Caucus, aimbove mukuru wehutongi hwaObama uye mumwe wenhengo dzeCongress dzekusatora sendi remari yePAC yemakambani. Akanga ari mubatsiri-
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Iri iboka rekuruboshwe chairo. Tinoombera maoko pamusoro pezvinhu zvese zvakanaka. Aive mubatsiri naSenator Bernie Sanders weStop Bezos Act uyo pakutanga mwedzi uno akabatsira kumanikidza mukuru weAmazon Jeff Bezos kuti akwidze muhoro wekambani kusvika pamadhora gumi nemashanu kune vese vashandi.
Symone Sanders aive National Press Secretary weBernie Sanders '2016 mutungamiri wenyika. Hapana hukama, ndinotenda, pakati pevaviri ava. Munyori wenhau mudiki pane vese vemutungamiri wenyika munhoroondo yeUS. Aimbova shamwari yeHarvard uye mazuva ano anogona kuonekwa achimiririra kufambira mberi kwakasara panhau dzetambo semuongorori wezvematongerwo enyika weCNN.
Mumwe aizivikanwa chiso chevanofambira mberi paCNN ndiNina Turner anga ari mutevedzeri wenyika yaBernie Sanders muna 2016, aimbova Senator weOhio State uye nhengo yeDemocratic National Committee's Unity Reform Commission. Nina iye zvino ndiye purezidhendi weRevolution Yedu, iro sangano rakagadzirirwa kusimudzira maonero ezvematongerwo enyika eBernie Sanders uye akatumidzwa kuPolitico's Playbook Power list yevanhu 18 kuti vatarise mune zvematongerwo enyika muna 2018. Madzimai nevarume, boka renyu.
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Saka, ini ndanga ndichizotanga nhaurirano iyi nekubvunza kana maDemocrats akakunda muna Mbudzi akakura uye votora hutongi hweImba uye pamwe kunyange Seneti zvakare, vanofanirwa kupomera Donald Trump here? Ndiwo waizova mubvunzo wangu wekutanga. Asi ini ndinofunga mumwe mubvunzo wekupomedzerwa wakakodzera kubvunzwa ukapihwa zviitiko zvichangoburwa. MaDemocrats muCongress anofanira kupomera murevi wenhema, murevi wenhema, bhurugwa pamoto Brett Kavanaugh, Mutongi mutsva weDare Repamusorosoro? Ro Khanna, ngatitange newe. Iwe uri nhengo yeImba umo maDemocrat anogona kuhwina ruzhinji mwedzi unouya. Iwe unofunga kuti kupomera doro-anoda Brett pakunyepa pakati pezvimwe zvinhu kunofanira kunge kuri pamusoro pehurongwa hwebato?
Ro Khanna: Ndinofunga kuti panofanira kuva nekuferefeta nekuenderera mberi nekuferefeta. Asi regai nditaure nezve chimwe chinhu chinokurumidza, chinova chekuti maDemocrats anofanirwa kuve nechisungo chekugadzirisa Dare Repamusorosoro. Hapana chikonzero chekuve nehupenyu hwese paDare Repamusorosoro.
Kutaura zvazviri, unogona kuva nemamiriro ezvinhu ekuti unoshanda makore gumi nemaviri kana gumi nemasere woshanda mudare redzimhosva uye hautombodi gadziridzo pane izvozvo nekuti pasi pebumbiro remutemo, unoshanda nekuda kwehunhu hwakanaka uye unogona kuenda kudare repamusoro. dare remhosva. Uye isu tinofanira kuwedzera dare kwete nekuda kwezvikonzero zvezvematongerwo enyika chete asi munotarisa huwandu hwenyaya dziri kunzwikwa neDare Repamusorosoro. Vaimbonzwa 12 mumakore eReagan, vave kunzwa zvino vanenge 18. Tinofanira kuva nechikumbiro chekuwedzera dare uye zvinoda kusimbiswa kwehuwandu. MaDemocrat anofanirwa kunge ari ekugadzirisa Dare Repamusorosoro mu184st Century.
MH: Jeff Merkley, kashoma kuti maDemocrats ahwine Seneti, asi kunyangwe ukadaro, hausi kuzova nembiri muzvitatu ruzhinji rwaunoda kupomera Dare Repamusorosoro. Saka, maDemocrat anoitei pamberi peakanyanya-bapiro rekurudyi anopindura uye akasvibiswa Dare Repamusoro munhoroondo yemazuva ano yeAmerica, ichangopfuura? Mhinduro ndeipi? Ro inotaura nezvekuvandudza. Uri muchitima ichocho here?
Jeff Merkley: Zvakanaka, ngatitangei nechirevo chekuti Dhipatimendi reJustice rinogona pachena pasi pemutungamiri akasiyana neMutungamiri Trump, kuenderera mberi nekutsvaga mhosva dzakaipa kuna Brett Kavanaugh dzekunyepa pamberi peSeneti yeUnited States.
MH: Uye iwe ungave uchisundira izvo kubva kuSeneti?
JM: Chokwadi uye tinofanira kunetsana nedare nekuti, heino mamiriro ezvinhu - dare harichisiri boka revanhu vakachenjera, vanhu vanozeya zviri mubumbiro remutemo vachipikisana. Parizvino ndiro dare remitemo rine simba guru uye rava dare remitemo rinodzorwa nevane masimba kwete nevanhu. Uye kana tikasatora nyaya dze gerrymandering, kana tikasatora nyaya dzekudzvinyirirwa kwevavhoti, mari yakasviba mumishandirapamwe, saka isu ticharasikirwa nekusingaperi kune imwe muzana uye dare rakarurama mwoyo wenyaya dzese dzakakosha.
MH: Symone, "kurongedza kumatare" iko zvino kuri kutaurwa nezvayo. Chikamu neni, ndakanyora chidimbu nezvazvo. Asi Mutungamiri Trump vakazvitaura pane imwe yemisangano yavo. Yakatosvika padhesiki remutungamiri wenyika, pamwe muchimiro chemufananidzo.
Asi unofungei? Munofunga here kuti maDemocrat kana vachitonga mapazi matatu ehurumende, kana vakambodzora mapazi matatu ehurumende, vanofanira kuwedzera hukuru hweSupreme Court kuti chigaro chimwe chakabiwa uye chimwe chigarwe nemunhu akapika nhema. akapomerwa kushinha nevakadzi vatatu vakasiyana?
Symone Sanders: Tisingarevi munhu anopikisa. Handifunge kuti Donald Trump anoziva kuti 'kurongedza mumatare' chii. Saka zvichida mumwe munhu achamutumira chinyorwa chako kuti anyatsonzwisisa nezvenyaya yacho. Tarisai ini ndinofunga kuti maDemocrats anofanira kuvaraidza uye kunyatso tarisisa zvikumbiro zvekuwedzera dare. Tinoda shanduko asi chekutanga tinofanira kuhwina muna Mbudzi uye mushure mekunge tahwina muna Mbudzi kunobva kwauya hutongi uye saka kunyangwe tikasahwina Seneti, izvo zvandinofunga kuti zvichiri kuitika maDemocrats mumba anozove ne mukana wekuita zviri kurambwa nemaRepublicans muImba kushandisa basa ravo rebumbiro remitemo kuti vatarise uye kutarisa, kuongorora Mutungamiriri uyu.
Uye ndinofunga kuti ndizvo zvichave zvakakosha muzvinhu zvakawanda zvichabuda mukunzwa kwekutarisa uku. Pane zvinhu zvatinongoziva chete nekuda kwenhau, nekuda kwezviri kucherwa nevatori venhau, asi chii chaizoitika kana kongiresi ichiita basa rayo?
MH: Nina, pakanga paine vazhinji vevaratidziri vaive kuCapitol Hill mumavhiki mashoma apfuura. Wakanzwa sei neMugovera pawakaona Brett Kavanaugh achitora vhoti iya achitoreswa mhiko? Vanhu vazhinji vakapererwa, vamwe vakashatirwa chete. Ndeipi kuita kwakarurama iko zvino?
Nina Turner: Zvose izvo, ndinoreva kuti vanhu vanofanira kutsamwa segehena. Takapenga uye hatisi kuzozvitora zvakare, asi vanhu vanofanirwa kupinza kutsamwa ikoko muchiito. Ndinoreva, chinhu chimwe kupenga. Ndiri kureva, kuve nemutungamiri weseneti muMitch McConnell-
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MH: Paiva ne "ugh" kubva kune vateereri. Murombo mukuru Mitch.
NT: Munoziva, kuita kuti ataure nezvevagari vanga vari uye vari kushandisa kodzero yavo yeFirst Amendment semhomho, uye mutauro iwoyo unoshandiswa nemaune, munoziva. Pane chakaipa pakuti vanoda kudzvanyirira manzwi evanhu. Saka, kana achitenda kuti vanhu vakanga vachipikisa uye vachiita kuti manzwi avo anzwike pamusoro peRuramisiro - o, Ishe, Mutongi Kavanaugh, kungotaura shoko rinondiita kuti ndive nemhando yekugumburwa - kudana mafungiro emhomho. Zvino chaive chii apo veAfrica muAmerica munyika iyi vairwira kodzero dzevanhu? Ndinofunga Dr. King vaive nemhomho yepfungwa kana kuti Mahatma Gandhi achirwira kodzero dzevanhu vake aive nemhomho yepfungwa. Ndichaenda nemhomho yemafungiro chero zuva revhiki chero bedzi mafungiro iwayo ari pamusoro pekururamisira.
Uye vanga vasiri mhomho mupfungwa yokuti hapana mhirizhonga yaiitwa, asi hasha dziri pachena uye ndezvechokwadi uye ndichakuudza chimwe chinhu chatiinacho chakawanda munyika ino chokupenga zvikuru. Ini ndinobva kuchikwata chevakadzi vakatsamwa.
HH: Zvimwe chete.
NT: Iwe uneni, Symone?
HH: Zvimwe chete.
NT: Uye isu tichitora maapplication. All y'all can be hasha Black vakadzi futi.
MH: Ini ndinobva kuchikwata cheMuslim chakatsamwa, asi usajoinha kirabhu iyo nekuti haugone kubhururuka. Havakuregi uchibhururuka kana ukajoinha kirabhu iyo.
NT: Saka, pane zvakawanda zvekutsamwira asi isu tinofanirwa kuendesa hasha idzodzo mukuita.
MH: Zvakanaka, uye pane chiitiko, ini ndinongoda kunamatira newe nekuti unomhanyisa Revolution Yedu uri kufambisa vanhu kuita activism. Iwe unoziva, iwe unonzwa nyaya senge Medicare-for-All. Vanhu vanoenda kuMedicare-for-All. Vanhu vanoenda kunotambira mari shoma. Vanhu vachaenda kune izvo zvinoita senge zvinhu zvemaitiro asi zvakakosha, sezvakataurwa naRo pakutanga, kunze kwekunge wachinja zvimwe zveizvi ini ndinonetsekana kuti vanhu havazoendi kumigwagwa kumiganhu yenguva yeSupreme Court Justice. Kunyangwe pasina izvozvo haugone kuwana Medicare-ye-zvese.
NT: Asi handiwo maitiro atinovasvitsa kumabiko. Isu tinofanirwa kutaura mutauro wavo Medicare-for-all ichavasvitsa ikoko uye kana tikasiya zvimedu zvechingwa kana kutora mutsauko pakati pekuti nei zvakakosha kubuda kunovhota kuti tisvike kune izvo zvinzvimbo ivo vachauya asi kwete. , havasi kubuda kuti -
MH: Saka, ndinoda kutaura pamusoro pezvinzvimbo izvozvo. Tisati tasvika panzvimbo idzo, Jeff Merkley, wakandinzwa ndichitaura pakutanga kuti maDemocrats anounza banga kune veRepublicans vanorwa nepfuti vauye neroketi. Iwe unofunga kuti iko kushoropodza kwakanaka kwebato rako kuti maRepublican anoda kuita chero zvingatora kuti atore uye aite simba nepo maDemocrats ari mubishi kuyedza kuita bipartisan uye hushamwari uye nekuyananisa uye kuregeredza uye kutaridzika zvine musoro uye semhedzisiro imi munowana kurohwa nguva nenguva.
JM: Kwete, handifungi kuti ipfungwa yakanaka uye ndaizoigadzira zvakasiyana. Zvandaizozvigadzira sezvatakaona mukati memakumi emakumi emakore apfuura hupfumi hwakazara kumusoro uye avo vari mu1% vanoda kushandisa mari yakawanda kutonga nyika ino. Muna 2014 vakashandisa mazana emamiriyoni emadhora kutora kutonga kweSeneti yavakaitonga kubva ipapo.
Uye iko zvino tave panguva iyo yatiri --pano hondo pakati pechikamu chimwe chete nesu vanhu, tiri kungorembera nenzwara dzedu uye ndakataura zvimwe zvezvishandiso zviri kuunza kumunhu mumwe chete muzana. . Ndiko kunyengera, rima, mari yakasviba uye kudzvanyirirwa kwevavhoti.
Asi chavanoda kuita kurovedza muviri chero nguva yezvavanoda kuti basa riitwe mudare uye takaona vachibvisa hukuru hwedare reSupreme Court vosundidzira murume uyu kuburikidza neakakanganisa zvese zvinogoneka, nenzira dzese dzinogoneka.
MH: Asi Jeff, ona dambudziko randinaro nenharo iyoyo nderekuti ndinonzwa maDemocrats, mamwe maDemocrats ave kuenda paTV achiti โImhosva yedu. Isu takagadzira Mitch McConnell. Bvisa filibuster nekuti takatora vatongi vematare epasi," sekunge aisazozviita zvakadaro. Ini ndinonzwa Chuck Schumer achiti tinofanira kudzosa iyo filibuster, kana isu tiri kutungamira, yeSupreme Court Justices, zvinoita sekunge kuregedzerwa kwezvombo kune chikamu cheDemocrats.
JM: Ehe, izvo-
MH: Unotsigira izvozvo here?
JM: Ini handitsigire Chuck Schumer pane izvozvo. Teerera. Hei, ndichakuitira dhiri, kana vatongi vaviri vasiri pamutemo vakasiya chigaro tingadzosa ruzhinji. Izvozvo zvingava zvakanaka.
MH: Nekuda kwekuda chete ndivanaani vatongi vaviri vasiri pamutemo?
JM: Zvakanaka izvo zvingava Neil Gorsuch pachigaro chakabiwa, uye ikozvino zita randinogovera naNina kuoma kwekutaura: Kavanaugh, uyo asingambofaniri kunge akasimbiswa.
MH: Asi kana tichizobvisa vanhu, dodgy vanhu vari mudare vakaita hupombwe, kuna Clarence Thomas, tinokwanisawo kutevera.
Zvisinei, Symone. Unofunga maDemocrats - ndiri kukuona paTV uchirwa nevanhu. Ndinotaura izvozvo nenzira yakanaka. Unofanira kurwa nevanhu. Uye ndinofunga kuti pane zvakakwana zvesimba iroro mumahoro eCongress pakati penhengo dzeCongress dziri maDemocrats.
HH: Ndinofunga zvimwe. Dzimwe nhengo dzeCongress dzanga dzichida kuenda uko kunorwa, dzichida kuenda kunze uko uye kubuda kunze uko pazvinhu zvine basa uye kunyatsosimuka. Vamwe vanhu havana asi ndipo panouya hwaro. Ndosaka zvakakosha kuti vanhu vazhinji vaende mumigwagwa, zvekuti vakarova mahoro eCongress, zvekuti vanhu vachiri kusimudza gehena nekusimudza manzwi avo nekuti isimba rinobva. vepasi vari kuruboshwe izvo zvichaita kuti vakasarudzwa vedu vazvidavirire.
Saka, apo vatungamiri vedu vanombotadza, ndinofunga kuti ndipo pane basa revanhu vose nderekuti vazvidavirire uye kuvaudza kuti chii chatinoda. Iye zvino Republican base, inoita izvo zvakanyanya. Vanoita izvozvo zvakanaka chaizvo. Ndinofunga kuti kana paine chero chatingadzidza kubva kushamwari dzedu dzeRepublican, ndiye mumwe wavo. Asi ini ndichadawo kujekesa kuti kunyange iwe waunoziva, mutungamiri wenyika, mutungamiri wenyika yeUnited States naMitch McConnell nevamwe vari paterevhizheni, paTwitter nekumwewo kwese vachiti maDemocrats nekuda kwenzara yavo yemasimba. vanoda kuita chero chinhu, mhomho idzi - dzavari kutaura nezvadzo ivo pachavo. Iri bato reRepublican munyika ino rakabvisa zvese zvakajairwa, kukosha kwega kwega, maitiro ese ekutsvaga simba rebrazen.
MH: Saka, kana iwe uchipikisana nevanhu vakadaro, unogona kukunda here nekunamatira kumitemo yavari kubvarura pamberi pako?
HH: Zvakanaka handifunge kuti tinofanira kunamatira kumitemo yekare, munoziva. Dzimwe nguva ndinonzwa sekunge imba iri kutsva uye maDemocrats achiri kutsvaga makiyi ekuvhura musuwo wepamberi. Uye ndinofunga kuti tinofanira kungovhura hwindo topindamo toponesa vanhu. Ini ndichati neKavanaugh yekusimbisa kunzwa, Democrats yakaputsa hwindo. Vakatyora hwindo uye ndinofunga isu takagadzirira kupaza hwindo zvakare, asi isu hatigone kuita izvo zvatinosema. Ini handidi kuti bato reDemocrat rishanduke kuita nzara iyi yekuda masimba chero muripo nekuti chii chinoita kuti tisiyane zvakanyanya navo?
MH: Zvakanaka, Ro Khanna, ndataura Chuck Schumer kuna Jeff. Ndiye mukuru waJeff muSeneti kurudyi.
NT: Iye haasi mukuru.
HH: Shamwari yake.
NT: Ndiye wekutanga pakati pevakaenzana, haasi mukuru.
MH: Zvakadai, sabhuku. Chuck haasi pano kuti azvidzivirire. Rega ndibvunze nezvemukuru wako Mumba. Nancy Pelosi akataura nguva pfupi yadarika kuti kana ukatora Imba, achadzosa "kubhadhara-kuenda." Ari kuzodzosa "pay-go." Uye kana avo venyu vasingazive kuti "kubhadhara-kuenda" chii, zvinoreva kuti kana iwe uchida kusimudza, kana iwe uchida kushandisa imwe mari pane chimwe chinhu, unofanirwa kuchienzanisa nekushandisa mari kune imwe nzvimbo kana kuwedzera mutero. .
Inosunga maoko, ndingapokana, yeDemocrats nekuti uri kuyedza kuenzanisa bhajeti. Kana isu tichiziva izvo maRepublicans vanoisa madhora matriyoni maviri pamutero wemutero usina kubhadharwa zvachose. Saka, unotsigira Nancy Pelosi paanoti tinofanira kudzosa "kubhadhara-kuenda?"
RK: Nancy Pelosi akakanganisa pane izvo zvese zvakanyanya uye nezvematongerwo enyika. VaRepublicans vave vachimhanya script zvakafanana kubva 1980 - kucheka mitero, kukura kudzivirira, vane zvikamu zvishanu zvehupfumi. Uye tobva tapinda uye tinopokana kuti tichaenzanisa bhajeti. Nei tisingagone kupokana ipapo Medicare-ye-zvese, koreji isina chikwereti, mari yezvivakwa ichave neshanu muzana kukura kwehupfumi. Ichokwadi. Ichawedzera kushandiswa kwevatengi uye zviri nani zvematongerwo enyika.
Asi dai ndaigona kungotaura muchidimbu nekuti ndinobvuma, ndinobvumirana zvakanyanya nepfungwa yaSymone zvekuti hatifanirwe kunge takafanana nemaRepublicans. VeRepublicans havasi kuita chero chinhu chitsva. โMight make rightโ inodzokera pakuvambwa kwezvematongerwo enyika. Ndiyo yaive nharo ye Thrasymachusโ muPlatoโs Republic. Ipapo takava nevanofunga - vanhu vakaita saSocrates uye vanhu vakafemerwa saGandhi naMambo naVaclav Havel, avo vakati hapana zvematongerwo enyika hazvisi zve'kugona kugadzirisa,' zvematongerwo enyika ndezvekukurudzira vanhu, nezvekutsvaga nyika iri nani. Ndiwo mahwindiro anoita maDemocrats hazvisi nekutevedzera zano rekare rekuti 'anogona kuita zvakanaka,' izvo zvisiri zvachose.
MH: Bet wanga usingafunge kuti unenge uchinzwa nezvaPlato naAristotle pawakauya pano manheru ano uchisimudza nhanho yehurukuro ipapo, Ro. Nina, saka pane icho chinyorwa. Ndekupi - Ndinofarira nharo iyi, unowanzonzwa mutsara uyu "insider-outsider strategy." Izvo zvinopindirana papi izvozvi neari maDemocrats? Toti vanohwina imba, vanonatsa muSeneti vava kushandisa rimwe simba. Ndeipi chiyero ikozvino pakati pe "vari mukati nekunze?" Iri munzvimbo chaiyo painofanira kunge iri?
NT: Kwete hazvo. Kwandiri, uye kungodzokera kumaDemocrats, ndinoreva kuti vakarwa segehena, munoziva, ndinobvumirana nasisi Symone pane izvozvo. Asi kusakwanisa kubata, munoziva, mutsara maererano naSenator Joe Manchin izvozvi. Ndichangotaura izvi ndakashanda mudare remutemo muOhio uye ndaive chikwapuro. Ini ndanga ndiri shamhu yevashoma uye pakauya nguva mucaucus, sekuziva kwangu vese vandinoshanda navo kumusoro, kuti wakatarisana necaucus uye une sarudzo yekuita. Dzimwe nguva iwe - nguva zhinji yaunovhota mudunhu rako unongonanga uye unotofanira kuti handikwanise kufambirana neizvi nekuti zvinorwadza dunhu rangu.
Uye dzimwe nguva mutungamiri wako anouya kwauri oti, โTarisa, unofanira kubaira pane iri. Tinofanira kutara mutsara. " Uye ingadai yakave nhoroondo kune yega yega Democrat - Senator Joe Manchin iRepublican. Saka, anofanirwa kuenderera mberi nekumhanya senge, anonongedza asina chinhu. Uye chokwadi chekuti mutungamiri, mutungamiri weDemocratic muSeneti haana kukwanisa kubata dare repamusoro zana pamwe chete kuti atore Senator Joe Manchin kuti avhote nenzira kwayo kwandiri inotaura chimwe chinhu nezvehutungamiriri. Ndinoreva gehena kana iwe usingakwanise kuwana Senator Joe Manchin kuti aite chinhu chaicho kuti ivo vanozoita sei chimwe chinhu kunze.
MH: Ndiyo pfungwa yakanaka.
NT: Saka, maererano ne "mukati-kunze," maDemocrats anofanirwa kutanga kumbundira, uye maDemocrats kumusoro kuno anoita, anofanirwa kutanga kumbundira izvo zvinounzwa nevaratidziri nevanhu mumigwagwa patafura. Iwe unoziva, isu hatigone kunzwisisa iyo State of the Union kusvika tanzwisisa mamiriro emigwagwa uye mamiriro emigwagwa ari kuchemera hutungamiriri hwechokwadi uye kwete zvehafu-chiyero, tamba mitambo mitemo. Ndizvo zvavanoda. Vanoda vanhu vachasimuka.
MH: Zvakanaka, uye ndinoreva iyo Joe Manchin poindi ipfungwa yakakosha. Ndinofara kuti wakasimudza Joe Manchin. Ndinoreva kuti pane nharo iyi haipo yekuti "Ah, arikumhanya ari mutsvuku."
NT: Kanganwa izvozvo.
HH: Ndizvo zvakaita Joe Donnelly, saka Heidi Heitkamp, โโndizvo zvakaita Claire McCaskill. Vese vanhu ava vakavhota kwete.
MH: Ndizvozvo. Uye zvakare, chii chiri chinangwa chekusarudza Democrat mune tsvuku nyika kana ivo vachizovhota seRepublican. Unogonawo kungovhotera Republican. Ini handisi kunzwisisa logic. Jeff, wakambokurukura naJoe kubva Mugovera? Akachinjana magwaro?
JM: Ini ndinofunga isu tinofanirwa kutarisa kuti chaive chinhu chinoshamisa chaive chekuti boka revanhu rakaita pfungwa dzaro nezvechakanaka uye vakafuratira chaizvo zvematongerwo enyika. Uye munoziva, tarisa Heidi, tarisa Claire, Bill Nelson zasi kuFlorida. Ndinoreva kuti vanhu ivavo vakatora kufamba kunoshamisa kwemoyo.
Ndinofanira kutaura kuti ndinofunga fungidziro yekuti mutungamiriri weruzhinji anodzora zvese - isu hatisi uto rinofora. Hatifambe tichienda kumukurumbira weruzhinji. Asi zvatinoita kuedza kurwira izvo zvakakosha uye kuona vanhu ivavo vachisimuka vachifunga kuti zvinogona kundikuvadza kumba. Asi munoziva zvakanyeperwa nedare reSenate murume uyu ane nhoroondo yakavimbika yekushinha uye vakatora danho rakanaka.
Ndichati muna 2017, wakaona nyaya huru mbiri. Iwe wakaona kubirwa kwebhangi, mutero wemutero umo ivo, sezvawataura, vakabira madhora matiririyoni maviri kubva muNational Treasury ndokupa kune vakapfuma vekuAmerica uye makambani ane simba kwazvo. Zvikamu zana kubva muzana zvemaDemocrats vaivepo uye vakaedza kudzima hutano hwevanhu 22 kusvika 30 miriyoni uye zana kubva muzana yemaDemocrats vaivepo. Saka, inogona kunge isiri rekodhi yakakwana, asi ndinogona kukuudza vanhu ivavo vaivhotera kurwira vanhu vanoshanda uye kune avo vasiri muchikamu chimwe chete kana muchida.
MH: Uye unofunga kuti vanhu vari muboka iri vane kodzero here yokutsamwira Joe Manchin chaizvo?
JM: Ini ndinofunga ivo vakatsamwa chaizvo neruzhinji rwevanhu veRepublicans kusanganisira vamwe vainyatsoziva kuti vari kuita zvisirizvo.
HH: (kukosora) Ben Sasse, Jeff Flake.
MH: Asi kwete Joe Manchin?
NT: Usadaro, usaise izviโฆNdinogona kuti hongu.
MH: Zvakanaka.
NT: Ndichati hongu.
MH: Hongu, ngatitaure pamusoro pezvinoitika mushure meNovember. Zvematongerwo enyika ndezvesarudzo. Zviri pamusoro pezvakakosha. Saka, chii chinofanira kunge chiri chepamusoro chinofambiswa mberi kune ruzhinji House Democratic kuuya Ndira? Medicare-ye-zvese, yakazara immigration shanduko, koreji isina chikwereti, $15 muhoro wakaderera? Mumwe munhu akasvetukira mukati.
HH: Kutanga inoda kuve Puerto Rico.
MH: Mese makataura, Jeff ipapo Symone. Kana kuti Symone, ipapo Jeff.
HH: Ndichati ndinofunga kuti inoda kuva Puerto Rico. Ini ndinofunga zvatakaona kubva kuTrump Administration zvinosemesa, kusaremekedza kunotyisa hama nehanzvadzi dzedu muPuerto Rico. VePuerto Ricans avo vari vekuAmerica. Uye ini handitombotendi kuti ndinofanira kutaura izvozvo asi bhora rakadonhedzwa muPuerto Rico uye isu tinoda, isu tinoda imba yekutarisa kuti tizive zvakaitika pakadonhedzwa bhora uye kuti tingatsigire sei Puerto Rico nzira dzatisina kuvatsigira.
JM: Uye ichi ichokwadi. Ndakaenda ikoko 8 mwedzi mushure medutu uye izvo zvandakaona zvaive zviuru zvebhuruu tarps pamusoro pezvivakwa, zvipatara zvisina kugadziriswa, magetsi achiri kudzimwa munharaunda mushure menharaunda. Tine zvinhu zvakawanda zvekuita muna Ndira asi regai - ndakadzoka kubva kurwendo irworwo ndichinzwa kuti vamwe vese vekuAmerica vanogara kunze kwenyika vanoda vanomiririrwa, vanomiririra kuvhota muImba yeVamiriri neSeneti yeUS.
MH: Hei uri muWashington DC. Iboka rinogamuchira zvikuru kune nharo iyoyo. Pamberi pemitemo, ndinofunga tese tinogona kubvumirana kuti Trump akatengesa vanhu vePuerto Rico.
NT: Uye Virgin Islands, ndinoda kuwedzera.
MH: Pamberi pemitemo, tinonzwa akawanda emhando idzi dzemitemo yezwi rebuzz. Mamwe acho akanyanya, akakosha marongero. Pane imwe inofanirwa kuve pamusoro peiyo rondedzero mumaonero ako Ro Khanna?
RK: Ini ndinofunga inofanirwa kunge iri Medicare-ye-zvese nekuda kwezvikonzero zvitatu: Chekutanga, isu tinofanirwa kuve nechokwadi chekuti vamiriri vedu vemutungamiri wenyika havakanganisi izvozvo uye isu tinofanirwa kuve pachena kuti bato reDemocratic rinomirira Medicare-for-all uye kumanikidza. vhoti kana tadzoka.
Hafu yevamiriri vanosarudzwa vari kumhanya paMedicare-for-all. Ndiyo imwe yenhau huru dzetsika kunze uko kana iwe ukatarisa kune vanhu vari kunyimwa kuwana kwekutarisirwa. Ndakanga ndine mumwe munhu mudunhu mangu akafa nechirwere che sinus nekuti havana kuwana rubatsiro nekukurumidza. Uye ndeimwe yematambudziko makuru ehupfumi kana tichiziva kuti hurongwa hwemazuva ano hunodhura makumi mana nemapfumbamwe ematriyoni mumakore gumi anotevera, gumi nenomwe muzana mari yehutano hwehutano. Medicare-for-All yaizodhura 10 trillion. Zvaizosunungura mabhizinesi, hunyanzvi hwemahara, kutitendera kukwikwidza neChina. Iri bato rinofanirwa kuve nematongerwo akajeka uye isu tinofanirwa kunyatsojeka kuti isu tiri bato rinomiririra Medicare-for-all. Isu tinofanirwa kuvhota bhiri reSenator Sanders mumba uye kana paine vhezheni yekukanganisa tinogona kuvhota pane izvozvo asi ngatizivei kuti vanhu vakamira papi chaipo.
NT: Amen.
JM: Saka chero isu tichisvetukira mukati pazvinhu zvakanyanya kukosha uye isu tinokwanisa muCongress kutevera panguva imwe chete nyaya dzakati wandei, dzandinofunga kuti dzakakosha nekuti wachi inopera, zano reRepublican ndiyo wachi inopera. Asi regai ndingoti kana tiine masimba emakamuri ese uye tikasagadzirisa mhirizhonga yemamiriro ekunze, iyo iri kuparadza pasi redu, saka isu tave kubhuroka.
MH: Zvakanaka, iyo inonakidza segue mumubvunzo wangu unotevera waizove uye ini ndichakubvunza iwe kubva pawakasimudza, iyo IPCC inoshuma svondo rino, inotaura nezve nguva kupera, inotaura nezve kuita shanduko kuhupfumi. "pasina nhoroondo yakanyorwa yekare."
Unobvumirana newangu Intercept shamwari yangu Naomi Klein nevamwe vakapokana kuti chipingamupinyi chaicho chekumisa shanduko yemamiriro ekunze, kumisa mhirizhonga yemamiriro ekunze i capitalism pachayo?
JM: Zvakanaka, ini ndichataura kuti iyo yakakura chipingamupinyi iko kupesvedzera kweiyo fossil mafuta indasitiri, iyo yakatemerwa iwe unoziva, kusvina peni pese kubva munzvimbo idzi. Asi izvi tinozviona munyika nenyika. Trudeau paanopinda, Trudeau anouya muhofisi, tinofunga "Ah, tine shasha yemamiriro ekunze muCanada." Anoita sei? Hurumende inobhadhara mabhiriyoni mashanu emadhora kutenga pombi yeTrans Mountain kuti vakwanise kuiwedzera uye nekatatu.
Isu tinoona zasi muAustralia kuti Conservative Prime Minister Turnbull achangokandwa kunze nebato rake nekuti ainetsekana zvishoma nezvemamiriro ekunze apo Outback yaive pamoto uye makorari ari kufa. Uye isu tinofanirwa kuita chiito pane imwe neimwe, yega yega nhanho. Asi zvazvinoreva ndezvekuti tinofanirwa kudaidza simba iro rakavanzwa. Saka, muna 2014 apo hama dzeKoch dzakauya mushure meSeneta, mushure meSeneta, mushure meSenator kusanganisira ini muOregon, ndini ndega ndakaisa chiziviso chichirwisa hama dzaKoch. Uye nekuti vanoshandisa aya mapoka epamberi senge maAmerican for Prosperity uye Generation mukana uye zvichingodaro.
Isu tinofanirwa kubvarura iyo facade kure pachena kuti ndivanaani, kukuvadza kwavari kuita kuchizvarwa chedu, chizvarwa chinotevera, zvizvarwa zvakawanda mushure uye kunyatsovakunda.
MH: Nenzira kana usati waona, pane clip paYouTube yandinokukurudzira kuti utarise yaSenator Merkley achibvunza murume ari kutsvagira basa kuEPA, ndinofunga ndizvozvo, anoti haana chokwadi nezvesainzi pa. kushanduka kwemamiriro ekunze. Akanzwa nezvazvo uye Jeff anorasikirwa nazvo uye zvakakosha kutarisa. Ro Khanna, wakataura mune tweet gore rapfuura kuti shanduko yemamiriro ekunze haungori mubvunzo wetsika. Inyaya yakabatana kurudzi rwedu. Tinoda kuedza kwemativi maviri kuti tiwane mhinduro chaidzo. Zvino, unowana sei kuedza kwebipartisan kana rimwe divi risingawirirane nesainzi uye uine mutungamiri anoti iChinese hoax.
RK: Zvakanaka, ndapedza nguva yakawanda kubva chirevo chakabuda ndichifunga "Nei maRepublicans kana Trump vasina hanya?" Uye ndinotenda kuti inyaya yekururamisira. Kana Trump akanyatsofunga kuti Barron Trump aizotambura kana tembiricha yeCelsius kana tembiricha yakwira 1.5 madhigirii, anenge achiita chimwe chinhu.
MH: Aizodaro here?
RK: Asi unoziva zvaanofunga here? Anofunga kuti varombo mune dzimwe nzvimbo dzenyika uye pasi rose vachatambura. Anofunga kuti kukanganisa kweizvi hakuzokanganisa ivo, vakapfuma kwazvo uye saka iyi inyaya. Nei pane kusava nehanya? Kusakendenga ndekwekuti vanhu vanofunga kuti vapfumi vachakwanisa kutsvetera uye avo vakasarirwa ndivo vanozobatwa uye isu tinofanirwa kuita nyaya iyi nezvekururamisira. Ndinoreva izvi, nekuti ngatinyatsojeka -
MH: Izvo hazvisi kuzotora maRepublicans pabhodhi. Ndeipi nguva yekupedzisira iwe wakati "kururamisira" uye maRepublican akauya achimhanya?
RK: Zvakanaka, ini handina kugutsikana pane maRepublican. Unogona kuwana mamwe maRepublicans ane mwero pamwe. Ndinoreva, kune Climate Change Caucus muImba umo mune vanhu vanojoinha uye ini ndinowanzoseka kuti maitiro ekujoinha haisi chero mutemo. Kungobvuma kuti shanduko yemamiriro ekunze inoitwa nemunhu -
MH: Yakaderera kwazvo bhaa yekuve nhengo.
RK: Asi iwe unoziva, ndinovimba unowana vashoma vangangoita maRepublicans, asi chokwadi hutungamiriri kana mutungamiri haasi kuzoenda nazvo.
MH: Nina, ndinoda kuti uuye kuzotiudza zvatinoita kana takatarisana nemhirizhonga yemamiriro ekunze, uye bato reRepublican rinopesana nesainzi uye veruzhinji vanonzwa kusakendenga kana tasvika panyaya iyi. Takataura nezvekupinza vanhu mumigwagwa.
NT: Ehe, isu tinotora vanhu vakafanana kuti vamhanye kuti tikwanise kuburitsa maRepublicans aripo uye titore vamwe vanhu vanotenda musainzi yemamiriro ekunze. Ndinoreva, iwe unoziva kumashure kune zvaitaurwa naRo. Ndizvo chaizvo kana rabha rasangana nemugwagwa kuti nyaya idzi dzinokubata sei iwe. Uye kusvika padanho, ndinoreva kuti ndakafamba kumatunhu makumi matatu nemashanu kana kupfuura pakati pegore rapfuura uye gore rino uye Amai Pasi vari kuchema chaizvo kuti tiite chinhu chakanaka navo. Uye kuitira kuti vatungamiri vakasarudzwa vanogara ipapo vanyatsonzwisisa kuti uye kutenda mune izvo zvichatora matunhu muWest Virginia, achatora matunhu ari mumatunhu matsvuku aya kuti azivise kune avo vakasarudzwa kuti izvi. chimwe chinhu icho wese - iwe unoziva chii, zvese zvatinoda ndizvo zviri pamutsetse.
Ndizvo zvose. Iwe unoziva kuti sevanhu vekuAmerica uye, munyika, nekuti tiri vagari venyika, mweya wakachena, mvura yakachena, chikafu chakachena chinhu chiri kodzero yevanhu. Saka chete zvese zvatinoda zviri pamutsetse. Uye saka isu tinofanirwa kuve nechokwadi chekuti tinoroora iyo chaiyo nyaya kune zvinodiwa nevanhu vanoenda kunovhota uye vanovhota vanofanirwa kuzvida uye kana vatungamiriri vakasarudzwa vakasazviita, vangave veRepublican kana Democrat, isu. ndinofanira kuvavhotera gehena kubva ipapo uye kuwana vamwe vanhu vanotenda kuti shanduko yemamiriro ekunze ndeyechokwadi uye kuti amai vepasi vari kuchema kwatiri kuti tiite chimwe chinhu.
MH: Jeff, muchidimbu.
JM: Ndinofunga kuti unofanira kutaura pamusoro pezvinhu zvinonzwisiswa nevanhu pasi uye mumaruwa eOregon uye kumaruwa eAmerica, kukanganisa pakurima, kukanganisa kubata hove, kukanganisa masango. Uye semuenzaniso, ndanga ndichitaura kune vanochengetedza vateereri uye mumwe munhu akandirwisa achiti wakataura nezvemamiriro ekunze, wadii kutaura nezvemabasa? Uye, chokwadi, ndakasvika pachikamu chemabasa, asi ndakati, munoziva vanhu vangani pano vari hove uye munhu wese akasimudza maoko ake. Hafu nekuti vanoredza uye imwe hafu nekuti havadi kubvuma kuti havaredze asi pandinongoitenderedza, unoziva nzizi dzisina chando diki uye dzinodziya uye zvakaipa pakuredza kwako trout. . Vanotanga kugutsurira musoro, munongozivawo zvipembenene zvepapine zvinouraya masango edu kuRed Zone.
MH: Kutaura mutauro wavanonzwisisa, izvo zvinokosha kwavari. Symone wanga uchida kuuya kwenguva pfupi?
HH: Ndinoreva, ndinongofunga kuti inyaya yehutano zvakare. Iyi inyaya yekururamisira. Iyi inyaya yemagariro evanhu. Kana iwe ukapinda mukirasi yegiredhi rekutanga mune chero nharaunda yemudhorobha mhiri kweAmerica uye ukakumbira mudzidzi mukirasi iyoyo kuti asimudze ruoko kana achiziva chero munhu ane asima runenge ruoko rwemunhu wese rwuchakwira. Iwoyo ndiwo mugumisiro wakananga wekuchinja kwemamiriro ekunze. Nzvimbo dzinochengeterwa marori munharaunda dzomumaguta dzinowedzera kusvibiswa. Izvi zvese zvinobatsira kuhutano muvana, kuwedzera mutobvu muvhu. Uye saka, isu tinofanirwa kutaura zvakanyanya sekutaura kwakaita seneta kumatambudziko ari kubatwa nevanhu zuva rega rega.
MH: Ndinoda, ndinoda kuenda kune mamwe marongero, asi ndisati ndaita imwe yemamwe mitsara yave nemukurumbira mazuva ano pakati pevanofambira mberi ndeye "Abolish ICE." Ro Khanna, kubvisa ICE?
RK: Ini ndinofunga gadzirisa ICE uye ini ndichakuudza chikonzero. Ini ndinotenda kuti kana iwe uchiti bvisa ICE meseji yauri kutumira kuvanhu nenzira kwayo kana zvisizvo ndeyekuti unoda miganhu yakavhurika uye handifunge kuti ihungwaru hwezvematongerwo enyika. Ini ndinofunga meseji yatiri kuda kutumira kuvanhu nderekuti tinotenda mukuchengetedza miganhu yedu, asi hatitendi mukupara mhosva kuna amai vane vana vadiki. Isu tinofanirwa kutarisa nezvekutengesa zvinodhaka, hugandanga uye kuve nesangano rakaparadzana riri kuenda shure kwaizvozvo. Uye uve nesangano rakagadzirirwawo kuteedzera asi ini ndinofunga "Reform ICE" ishoko riri nani.
MH: Pane chero munhu papanera asingabvumirani neRo yedu? Ndiani anofunga kuti tinofanirwa kubvisa ICE?
NT: Kana tikabvisa Mutungamiri Trump, ipapo dambudziko iroro rinogadziriswa. Dambudziko reICE rinogadziriswa.
MH: Yagadziriswa here?
NT: Hongu neimwe nzira izvi ndezvehutungamiriri uye ivo vachiita izvo mutungamiri uyu anoda kuti vaite.
MH: Vari kuita zvinhu zvinotyisa pasi pePresident ava. Vaive vachiita zvimwe zvinhu zvakaipa kwazvo pasi paObama.
NT: Hongu, asi kwete kusvika pamwero wakafanana.
MH: Saka, iwe unofunga kugadzirisa ICE?
NT: Ndezvehutungamiri zvakare. Nekuti ICE inogona kutsiviwa nechimwe chinhu.
HH: Ndinobvumirana neizvi. Ini ndinobvumirana naNina, ICE inogona kutsiviwa nechimwe chinhu. Ini ndinofunga isu tinoda kugadzirisa ICE, asi isu tinofanirawo kufunga nezve yakazara mhuri yekutanga immigration mutemo unoisa mhuri munyika ino uye vanhu vanotanga kuuya munyika ino. Izvo hazvisi izvo zvino kuita mutemo wedu weimmigration.
Uye chechipiri, ndinofunga isu tinongoda imwe dzidzo nekuti isu hatina miganhu yakavhurika kana iwe wakambosiya nyika uye kuyedza kudzoka kunyange semugari weUnited States. Yakanyanya kuoma uye ICE haidzore miganhu. Kune sangano rakasiyana rinoita izvozvo asi nekuti vanhu havazive uye iwe unoziva, shamwari dzedu dzeRepublican dzinongori nani pakunyengerera nhema kupfuura isu tiri kurovera pasi chokwadi. Tinobatwa muhurukuro iyi.
JM: Ongororo yeCNN ichangobuda mangwanani ano - yakataura kuti chokwadi veruzhinji vanovimba nemaDemocrats zvakanyanya pakubuda kwevanhu kunze kweRepublicans. Izvo zvakandishamisa uye ndinofunga chimwe chezvikonzero ndechekuti chavanoona kubva mukati memoyo wakasviba wehutongi uhu igwara rekubvarura vana mumaoko evabereki vavo, mhuri dzichitiza kutambudzwa uye kungotsvaga mukana wekupotera kuno neAmerica. Uye ini ndinofunga kana isu tichigamuchira iyo yakakosha kukosha kwekubata mhuri dziri kutiza kutambudzwa nekuvimbika, kwete kubata vana zvisizvo, kusaita maguta ematende murenje kuvana, kusaita misasa yevasungwa iyo iyo manejimendi ari kuedza kuita. Tinokunda nharo iyi.
HH: Uye hazvina kutanga naTrump asi akazvikudza.
MH: Zvakanaka, ndinoda kutaura nezve mutemo wekunze uyo dzimwe nguva usingawane kutarisa-mukati mumakakatanwa aya. Pave nekutaura nguva pfupi yadarika nezvekuti mutemo wekunze wekuruboshwe ungaite sei. Ro Khanna, iwe uri mumwe munhu akatungamira mhosva yekutsigira US kuhondo yeSaudi muYemen uye akapa zano svondo rino kuti maSaudis angave akaponda mutori wenhau weSaudi uye mugari wekuUS kune imwe nyika, anofanira kuongorora zvakare hukama hweAmerica neSaudi Arabia. kuve pakati pehumwe hunhu, huwori hushoma, hunofambira mberi.
RK: Chokwadi, hapana mubvunzo kuti mubatanidzwa wakapinda muhondo yakashata muYemen - kuuraya vanaamai, kuuraya vana. Uye yaive face apo Pompeo akauya kuCongress uye akasimbisa kuti pakanga pasina dambudziko revanhu. Zvingadai zvakanyanya kutendeseka dai akati kune dambudziko revanhu uye isu tinoda kuregererwa kwekuchengetedzwa kwenyika nekuti isu hatina hanya uye tiri kuita realpolitik, asi akatuka njere dzeCongress nekusavimbika a progressive foreign policy is. chaizvoizvo zvinopindirana neAmerica nheyo dzekutanga. John Quincy Adams naGeorge Washington vakatiyambira kuti tisabatikane mukupindira mhiri kwemakungwa.
Isu tinofanirwa kuongorora zvakare neocon, neoliberal kupindira muIraq, kuSyria, muLibya kwakatipinza mumhirizhonga iyi, kuzvidzora mumutemo wedu wekunze kana zvasvika pakupindira kwemauto uye kutungamira nezvinhu izvo vanhu vekuAmerica vanodiwa: mafirimu edu, teknolojia yedu, kukwanisa kwedu kugadzirisa matambudziko enyika. Ndizvo zvatinofanira kunge tichiratidzira kunyika. Kwete matangi edu emauto.
MH: Uye iwe wakanyora boka remakakatanwa. Ndinoda kudzoka kuSaudi Arabia asi ndisati ndaita, wakataura nzvimbo shoma munyika dzakawanda dzinofambira mberi, nhengo dzakawanda dzeDemocratic base, kana iwe ukatarisa kuvhota, unodawo shanduko muU. mutemo weIsrael-Palestine. Unotsigira izvozvo here?
RK: Ndino. Ndakatsigira naBetty McCollum gwaro rekodzero dzevanhu dzevana vePalestine. Handina kufunga kuti zvakanga zvakanyanya kukakavara. Kodzero dzevanhu ikodzero dzevanhu. Hazvina mhosva kuti uri muPalestine, kunyangwe uri Yemeni isu tinofanirwa kumiririra kodzero dzevanhu nguva dzose. Ini ndinotenda muhukama hweUS-Israel, asi hukama ihwohwo huri payakanakisa kana tikamiririra kodzero dzevanhu.
MH: Jeff Merkley, ndakabvunzurudza Chris Murphy nguva pfupi yadarika pachiratidziro uye anga ari shamwari yako muSeneti anga achitaura iyi pfungwa yakanaka zvekuti vanhu havazive kana uchivhota mukati menguva, hausi kungovhotera Medicare-for-all. unogona kunge uchivhota kumisa hondo muYemen iyo iri kuuraya vana mazuva ese, miniti yega yega isu takagara pano tichitaura.
Unofunga kuti zvakanaka here? Wakamboona shanduko pakati pevaunoshanda navo muSeneti yekuti iwe unogona kunyatsoona vhoti paCapitol Hill ichienda kunopesana neSaudis kekutanga?
JM: Chokwadi, pave nekuchinja kukuru uye kwechinguva manejimendi aitaura zvakanaka, tichapa Precision Munitions kuti vasiye kurova vavariro dzevanhu. Isu takapa maPrecision Munitions uye zvakaitika vakaashandisa kurova vanhu uye takaona ichirova, mushure mekuramwa, mushure mekuramwa. Isu tiri kuwedzera ndege dzavo dzehondo, isu takabatana zvachose mune izvi. Isu hatisi kupindira kuti tive nechokwadi chekuti chiteshi chengarava muHodeida chinoramba chakasununguka uye chakavhurika.
Kune mamirioni avanhu ari panjodzi yekuziya ikoko. Kana iwe wakaona mifananidzo yevana vane nzara munyika iyoyo, zvinotyisa. Uye saka, ichi chidimbu chimwe chezano rakarasika zvachose rekubatana neSaudis pane izvi. Hatifanire kunge tisiri kungodyidzana navo chete. Tinofanira kunge tichishanda nesimba kuti tipindire uye timise kunetsana ikoko.
MH: Zvakanaka kunzwa mubvunzo mumwe chete wekukurumidza uye isu hatina nguva pachikamu chino. Asi mubvunzo mumwe chete, ndinoda kukubvunzai mwedzi wapera Seneti yakavhota makumi mapfumbamwe nematatu kusvika manomwe kuti iwedzere bhajeti rePentagon mabhiriyoni mazana matanhatu nemabhiriyoni gumi nemanomwe emadhora muna 93. Bernie Sanders nevatanhatu veRepublicans vakavhota vachipokana nazvo. Kune vateereri pano uye vateereri kumba.
Chii chaive kumashure kwekufunga kwako pawakavhotera izvozvo?
JM: Zvakaitika ndezvizvi: Ndakavhota ndichipokana nazvo pazvaive zvoga, asi zvakasanganiswa nebhajeti reHealth and Human Services iro raive nehurongwa hwakakosha hwehupenyu hwevashandi vekuAmerica nevarombo vekuAmerica. Vanosanganisa avo nemaune saka zvakaita kuti zvive zvakanyanya, zvakaoma. Asi iwe unoziva, izvo zvatinofanira kunge tichifunga nezvekudzikira kukuru mudivi rePentagon uye hukuru hukuru kumashure kwemutero wemutero kuti tigone kuisa mari mukuchengetedza hutano uye isu tiise mari mudzidzo uye kuti tigone kuisa mari muzvivakwa. Uye isu tiri kure munzira uye isu tiri kutsvedza kuseri kwedzimwe nyika.
MH: Symone wanga uri munyori wenhau kuna Bernie Sanders paakanga achimhanya muma primaries. Akashoropodzwa zvakanyanya panguva iyoyo nekuda kwekusava nechiratidzo chakajeka chekune dzimwe nyika paakabvunzwa nezveIraq. Akabvunzwa nezvedzimwe nyaya. Kubva ipapo akashanda nesimba kuti achinje izvozvo. Vakapa hurukuro yakakosha kutanga kwesvondo rino pamusoro pehudzvanyiriri. Iwe unofunga kuti kuruboshwe hauna mutemo wekunze? Icho chinhu chavasina kuita zvakakwana zvenjere kusimudza zvinorema?
HH: Ndofunga kudaro. Imwe - ndinorambawo pfungwa yokuti Senator yakanga isina mutemo wakajeka wekunze kune dzimwe nyika panguva yemushandirapamwe. Ndinofunga takataura nezveISIS, takataura nezveIraq. Akaita press conference yese. Akaita gaggle yese kwemaminetsi gumi nemashanu imwe nguva paISIS. Mangwana acho, tinoita musangano wevatori venhau, vakaita senge "Haudi kutaura nezve ISIS." Takangotaura nemi mose nezvazvo.
NT: Kutenda.
HH: Asi ndinotaura kudaro kuti nditaure ndinofunga kuti seAmerica inofanira kuva yakatendeseka pamusoro pechido chedu chezvematongerwo enyika uye kuti mitemo yedu yekunze ndeyei. Kana isu tichida kuve takatendeseka, hutungamiriri huripo uye hutongi hwakawanda pamberi payo kana tichingoda kutaura pachena, mutemo wedu wekunze wakabatana zvakananga kune yedu geopolitical kufarira kwete hunhu hwedu, kwete kodzero dzevanhu. Zvido zvedu zve geopolitical.
Uye saka, isu tinongoda kuve takatendeseka nezvazvo. Ndosaka vanhu vazhinji vasiri kudaidzira maSaudis nekuti zvinopesana nezvido zvedu zvezvematongerwo enyika mudunhu. Ndicho chikonzero isu tiri kutsigira maIsrael nekuti inobatsira zvedu geopolitical zvido mudunhu. Saka, ndinofunga kuti mutemo wekunze unofambira mberi ndeuyo unobvuma kufarira kwedu geopolitical mudunhu nepasirese asi zvakare inomira yakasimba kune yedu yakakosha tsika dzatinotaura kuti tine hanya nazvo. Ini ndinofunga maDemocrats ari kuita basa ririnani rekutsanangura izvo uye ndinofunga mumwedzi iri kuuya, uchaona vanhu vazhinji vachisimuka kuti vape hurukuro dzavo dzekunze dzekunze muWashington DC.
MH: Nina, ndinoda kukubvunza zvimwe chetezvo nezvekuchinja kwemamiriro ekunze. Ndiyo nyaya imwe chete dzimwe nguva ndinowana kupi kunyangwe kuUK kwandaigara nekushanda, nyaya imwechete iyo vanhu vanozonyatso shandirwa nezvehutano hwehutano, ndizvozvo nemabasa, asi unoedza nekutaura nezveSaudi Arabia kana Yemen kana Israel. , zvakanyanya kuoma kunyangwe kuruboshwe uko vanhu vane fungidziro huru pamusoro pezvinhu izvi kuti vanhu vagadzirise nyaya dzemitemo yekunze uko vanhu vari kufa nekuda kwesarudzo dzehurumende yeAmerica.
NT: Aiwa, ndizvo, uye isu tinongofanira kuita basa riri nani rekuzviona isu sevagari vepasi uye ndinofunga kuti Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King vakaburitsa izvi zvakanaka chaizvo paakataura izvo zvinobata munhu zvinobata isu tose zvisina kunanga. Saka, hatigone kusava nehanya nezviri kuitika kuhama nehama dzedu pasi rese. Asi pfungwa yaSymone ndeyechokwadi. Izvo chete zvematongerwo enyika zvakachena zveizvi ndezvechokwadi nezve geopolitical kufarira kwatinako munyika ino uye avo vari kurudyi nekuruboshwe vakatadza kutarisa kupfuura izvozvo. Hatigone kutaura kuti tiri vekururamisira uye rusununguko asi toti vatinodyidzana navo vanogona kupukunyuka nekuponda nekupamba pasirese.
Uye ndizvo chaizvo zviri kuitika kuti kana uri shamwari yangu, ini ndichatarisa kune rimwe divi uye iwe unogona kuita zvinhu zvakaipa. Saka isu tiri vagari venyika uye zvinoitika kune mumwe zvakananga zvinoitika kwatiri tose zvisina kunanga uye isu tinofanira kubatsira vagari vedu kuti vanzwisise, kuzviisa pachedu shangu dzehanzvadzi dzedu nehama muYemen, tizviise mushangu dzedzimwe nharaunda mhiri kweizvi. nyika iri kutambura nekuda kwekupindira kweAmerica kudivi risiri iro uye nekukanganisa kwatinoita pese pese kwatinoenda tinowedzera kuipa kupfuura patakapinda.
MH: Icho ichokwadi. Okay, tiri kupera nguva. Saka, tiri kupera nguva. Ndinovimba muchandifarira patinenge tichiita nhangemutange yekukurumidza-moto apo pandichakubvunzai mese mubvunzo mumwechete uye munongokwanisa kuti hongu kana kwete, uye ndizvozvo. Isu tichatenderera - Imba itsva inotungamirwa nedemocracy yeVamiriri muna Ndira 2019 kuyedza kupomera Mutungamiri Trump? Ehe, kana kwete Symone Sanders? Saka hongu kana kwete, kwete kuseka.
HH: Tarisa, ndinofunga kuti-
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MH: Aihwa! Wakaipa chaizvo pamutambo uyu.
HH: Uyu hausi hongu kana kwete mubvunzo. Ini ndinofunga Imba inofanirwa kuita kuti Trump Administration izvidavirire.
MH: Zvakanaka. Zvakanaka, iwe hauna kana nhengo yakasarudzwa uye unonzwika saizvozvo. Senator Jeff Merkley?
JM: Ongorora, hongu, uye kana ruzivo rwakakura, hongu.
MH: Nina?
NT: Ehe, hazvisi nyore kudaro. Ehe, haasi hongu kana kwete.
MH: Hapana anoda kutamba neni mutambo uyu. Ro?
RK: Isu tinofanirwa kumirira chirevo chaMueller. Kana paine mhosva dzepamusoro mushumo waMueller, unopomera mhosva. Kana pasina saka unotevera humbowo. MaDemocrats anotenda mune humbowo uye maitiro.
MH: Fine. Ngatinamatei newe, Ro: Nancy Pelosi aifanira kunge ari mutauri here kana maDemocrats ari kutonga imba? Hongu, kana kwete?
RK: Hongu nekuti isu tichahwina hutauriri kumusana kwevakadzi vanokwikwidza uye vakadzi vanobuda uye kana iwe uchiramba mukadzi wekutanga mutauri weimba gavel anotitungamirira mukukunda, ndinofunga kuti mbama chiso chevakadzi muAmerica yose.
MH: Asi anga ari mukadzi mutauri zvisati zvaita senge kekutanga. Kune mamwe madzimai. Hongu kana kwete, Nancy Pelosi Mutauriri weImba?
NT: Iwe unoziva, zviri kunhengo dzeCongress.
MH: Ndeapi maonero ako, Nina? Tauya kuzokunzwa, Nina.
NT: Haadi kunditendera kuti ndisiyane nazvo. Iwe unoziva, teerera, ini handidi kungokanda Mutungamiriri Pelosi pasi pebhazi saizvozvo.
MH: Jeff Merkley.
RK: Kanda kumba.
JM: Ndiyo chete nguva iyo Seneti yakamboita izvozvo.
MH: Anofanira Nancy Pelosi - ndinongoziva kuti handisi kuzowana mhinduro. Nancy Pelosi anofanira kunge ari Mutauriri weImba muna Ndira? Hongu, kana kwete?
HH: Kana akakwanisa kusvika ku218, zvachose. Ndiwo mavhoti mangani aunoda muUnited States House of Representatives kuti uve mutauri weImba.
MH: Hapana chikonzero chekubvunza wasara mubvunzo. Chuck Schumer anofanira kuve mutungamiri weSeneti muna Ndira 2019? Hongu kana kwete?
JM: Tichavhota uye tichazotaura nezvazvo ipapo.
MH: Vanhu vari kumba vachiteerera, ndiri kuedza. Iwe hausi kundiona. Ndiri kuedza.
JM: Teerera, hezvino zvandinoda. Ndinoda kuona Chuck Schumer ari Majority Leader pachinzvimbo cheVatungamiriri Vashoma nekuti saka isu tinogona seruzhinji, tinogona kumisa kudomwa kwese kunotyisa kudare uye vese vanotyisa, maScott Pruitts zvichingodaro.
MH: Ndiri kuzoedza imwe yandinofunga kuti inogona kuwana mhinduro-
HH: Ndichati kwete.
MH: Iwe haufunge Chuck Schumer-
HH: Ini ndinofunga Mutungamiriri Mudiki Schumer akakundwa naMitch McConnell uye akapa nzira yakawandisa pavatongi tisati tambosvika kuMutongi Kavanaugh. Saka, kwete.
RK: Ndinobvumirana naSymone. Ndinoreva tarisa, ndoda kuva naMerkley seSeneti Majority Mutungamiriri.
MH: Ndanga ndoda kusiya bvunzo uye imi mose makafanana, hongu! Ehe! Schumer akazviita!
RK: Zvakanaka, heino musiyano. Ndinoreva, kutanga kune misiyano miviri: kana iwe usina Nancy Pelosi, ndiani wauchazove naye? Unoda Steny Hoyer?
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MH: Kune avo vari kumba, Symone Sanders akangodonha pachigaro chake. Steny Hoyer achakuitira izvozvo.
RK: Ndiri kutsigira Barbara Lee, ari kumhanyira sachigaro wemusangano. Nancy Pelosi, tarisa kuti haana kukwana. Asi akapikisa hondo muIraq. Schumer yaive yehondo muIraq. Nancy Pelosi akarwira sarudzo yeruzhinji. Schumer haana uye kune akawanda maSeneta anofambira mberi saMerkley.
MH: Ndirikuda mutambo uyu zvino. Ini ndinoda kukanda kwakaita Ro mutauri weimwe Imba pasi pebhazi, asi kwete mutauri wake. Joe Manchin wekuWest Virginia angachiri kunzi Democrat? Hongu kana kwete?
NT: Kwete, gehena kwete.
MH: Ro?
RK: Aihwa.
MH: Jeff?
JM: Ehe.
MH: Symone?
HH: Hongu
MH: O, paradzana ipapo. Zvakanaka, wekupedzisira tisati tapinda mufainari. Tiri kupera nguva. Bernie Sanders anofanira kumhanyira mutungamiri wenyika muna 2020?
NT: Ehe! Ehe!
MH: Ehe.
NT: Ehe.
MH: Ehe kana kwete?
JM: Ehe.
RK: Ehe.
HH: Hongu, kana vanhu- Hongu.
MH: Zvakanaka, saka pane icho chinyorwa pane icho chinyorwa, pane icho chinyorwa, pane icho chinyorwa: Kune vamwe vavhoti vari kuedzawo kukanda ngowani dzavo mhete. Kuchange kune vanhu vakawanda vari kukwikwidza chigaro chemutungamiri wenyika muna 2020. Imi mose -
Nhengo yevateereri: Senator Merkley!
MH: Nhengo yevateereri iri kundibatsira munzira iyo yandaizoenda nayo asi ndisati ndasvika kuJeff Merkley, Elizabeth Warren, ndeapi maonero ako nezvaElizabeth Warren, Ro Khanna?
RK: Akangwara, murwi wehutongi hwehupfumi, anomanikidza mumiriri.
MH: Unofunga kuti anofanira kumhanyawo here?
RK: Chokwadi, uye ndinofunga Jeff Merkley anofanira kumhanya. Heano maonero angu. Kwete, ndinoreva izvi nemoyo wese. Tinofanira kuva nevanhu makumi maviri, vanhu vanofunga, vanounza hunyanzvi hwakasiyana, kumhanya -
HH: Zvakanaka.
RK: โ goverai maonero avo nevanhu vekuAmerica uye regai vavhoti vasarudze. Uye iwe unoziva, Jeff Merkley akaita basa rakakura nemapoka ekunze. Vanhu vakasiyana vane unyanzvi hwakasiyana. Ngavamhanye ngavataure vision yavo.
MH: Asi makumi maviri, zvinofanirwa kuve vanhu makumi maviri here?
RK: Zvakanaka, ndinoreva, hongu, ndichasarudza wandinoda asi munhu wese anofanira kuwana mukana iwoyo. Handinzwisise kuti sei usingade gakava rakasimba rakavhurika.
MH: Tichiri panyaya iyi, unofunga kuti Michael Avenatti anofanira kuwana mukana iwoyo?
HH: Aihwa.
RK: Ndinoreva kuti ane kodzero yekumhanya. Aizova njodzi kuDemocratic party. Ikozvino ndichatomhan'arirwa mangwana.
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MH: Anenge achizohwina zvino, futi. Nina?
NT: Kwete, munhu wose. Ndinoreva, mhanya. Takapinda munzira iyi muna 2016. It was not good. Ehe, usaite izvozvo. Regai siyana vanhu vanoda kumhanya. Ndinobvumirana. Ndinoreva kuti munhu wese anoziva zvandinoda. Ini ndinoda kuona Senator Bernie Sanders achizviita uye kana arimo, ini ndiri pamwe naye. Asi munhu wose anofanira kukwanisa. Ani nani anoda kumhanya, mhanya.
MH: Saka, pane icho chinyorwa Jeff Merkley, uri kuenda kukwikwidza semutungamiri?
JM: Ndibvunzei mushure meMbudzi. Ndiri kuzviongorora uye ndichakuudza izvo zvandakaita mushure mechimwe chinhu muhupenyu hwangu nekuti ndinotsamwiswa nekusarongeka uye ndakatsamwa zvino. Uye kana ndikanzwa, kana ndikaita mutsimba nemhuri yangu uye ndichinzwa sokuti ndinogona kuwedzera chimwe chinhu kuhurukuro iyoyo. Ipapo ndichava hongu.
MH: Iwe haunetseke kuti iwe naElizabeth Warren naBernie Sanders vanogona kupatsanura vhoti yekuruboshwe.
JM: Kwete, zvese zvichazvigadzirisa pachazvo.
MH: Zvinoita sekuti waita pfungwa dzako. Ndiri kungotaura.
JM: Inozvigadzirisa pachayo. Hongu, inodzokera kune vanovhota. Sezvo isu tichipfuura nematunhu ekutanga panguva yaunosvika matatu kana mana -
MH: Saka, rega ndikandire mubvunzo usina kunaka nekuti mese muri vatsigiri vaBernie uye muri mutsigiri waBernie asiwo mutsigiri waMerkley. Rega ndikandire mubvunzo unonetsa apa. Zvakandinetsa nekuti ndinoda Bernie Sanders uye ndinoda Elizabeth Warren uye kune akura Joe Biden anodawo kumhanya -
NT: Wava kuda kutaura nezvezera here?
MH: Ndiri kuzotaura nezvezera nekusiyana mune dzimwe nzira.
NT: Ageism haisi chinhu chakanaka.
MH: Hazvisi zvezera.
NT: Saka chii?
MH: Kana iwe uine bato apo vatatu vanokwikwidza vachange vari mumakore avo makumi manomwe, hapana here kupokana kune mudiki pamwe asiri muchena?
NT: Vavhoti vanosarudza.
MH: A Cory Booker kana Kamala Harris kungoratidza kuti maDemocrats haazi bato rekare chena?
NT: Hongu, asi vavhoti vanosarudza izvozvo. Munoziva kana ndikatarisa Mutungamiri Nelson Mandela, avo vaive mutungamiri wechitema wekutanga weSouth Africa, mutema weSouth Africa, vachibuda mujeri mushure mekunge vagara ikoko kwemakore anoda kusvika makumi matatu. Akanga atova nemakore ekuma30 uye akanga ari mukuru munyika iyoyo. Saka, kana isu tose tikararama kwenguva yakakwana, tichasvika ikoko.
MH: Ini ndinowana.
NT: Zvandiri kutaura ndezvekuti tinogona kukakavadzana pamusoro pegwaro uye nekusiyana kwebato iri iro rinotanga kwete nehutungamiriri chete rinokwira nekudzika. Ndinoreva kuti Stacey Abrams ave kuda kuita nhoroondo munyika ino achive mukadzi wekutanga wekuAfrica muAmerica munhoroondo yeUnited States of America kushanda saGavhuna. Saka, hazvisi zvehutungamiriri chete uye haisi nhangemutange imwe chete uko maDemocrat anogona kuratidza kusiyana kwavo.
MH: Ndiri kungofunga muna 2020 kana aive Joe Biden kana Bernie Sanders achipesana naDonald Trump, imharidzo ipi yaizotumira kuvanhu vazhinji. Ndiri kungoshaya kuti i message yaizotumira.
HH: Ndinoreva kuti ndinofunga kuti dai anga ari Joe Biden kana anga ari Senator Sanders kana ari Senator Merkley kuti vavhoti vakasarudza kuti ndivo vaida kuve mumiriri weDemocratic. Ndiye mumiriri weDemocratic. Ndinofunga uri kubvunza mubvunzo wakasiyana. Mubvunzo wako ndewekuti unofunga kuti pane chido here mubato reDemocratic Party kumumiriri wechichena semumiriri wePresident. Uye ini handizivi. Ndosaka tichifanira kuva neprimary.
MH: Ndichabvunza vateereri vedu. Kana iwe uchida kuona Elizabeth Warren ari mumiriri muna 2020, kuombera, kufara, kuita ruzha.
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MH: Kana iwe uchida kuona Bernie Sanders ari mumiriri muna 2020, ita ruzha.
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MH: Ichaunga cheSanders, ndinofunga, asi mirira kusvika Jeff afunga mushure meMbudzi uye nemhomho yevanhu, kuombera maoko kuchachinja. Tave kuda kupera nguva. Ndinoda kukubvunzai mubvunzo wese uyu: Pane hasha zhinji uye kushushikana. Nina, iwe neni takataura nezvazvo pakutanga kweshoo. Vanhu vari kuruboshwe vanoshatirwa zviri pamutemo, zvine musoro. Vamwe vanhu vakaora mwoyo uye vakatsamwa. Kunyanya mushure mezviitiko zvemavhiki achangopfuura naKavanaugh, asi ndiTrump achisarudzwa, Gorsuch achigadzwa, kuderedzwa kwemitero kune vapfumi ikozvino Kavanaugh.
Ndeapi mazano enyu, kune imi mose, mubvunzo mumwe wekupedzisira - Ndeipi mazano ako kune vanhu kunze uko vari kuedza kurwa kurwa kwakanaka, asi vari kurasikirwa netariro uye vachiti unoziva chii? Hongu, tinowana kukunda uku. Tine mimwe mibairo yakanaka yepuraimari, asi mufananidzo mukuru, iwo maperesenti sekutaura kwaJeff, vachiri kuhwina matambudziko aya. Nderipi zano rako? Ko varume hamurasi tariro sei? Unoramba sei uine chivimbo uye uine tariro? Ndiani anoda kutanga?
NT: Zvakanaka, hapana magumo ekurwira kururamisira. Icho chaicho chirevo chechizvarwa. Uye chizvarwa chose chinopomerwa kusimudzira kururamisira kune chinotevera uye ivo vanopfuudza tsvimbo kune inotevera uye kune inotevera. Saka, hatimbofi takashatirwa uye takagumbuka zvokuti tinokanda mapfumo pasi, tokanda mapfumo pasi uye tokanda mapfumo pasi.
Munoziva, kutaura chimwe chinhu kubva kuhama nehanzvadzi dzedu dzokuAmerica dzokuAmerica dzakataura kuti tinofanira kuva nechido chekuona zvizvarwa zvinomwe zviri mberi kwedu. Ndizvo zvazvinoreva izvi kana kuti kukwanisa kudyara miti ine mumvuri watisingambofa takafarira. Ndizvo zvakaita mabasa edu, ndizvo zvakaita mabasa edu izvozvi, ndiko kunyatsokwanisa kudyara miti iyo ine mumvuri watisingambofa takanakidzwa nayo, kugara tichikurudzirwa, kusakanda mapfumo pasi, kusakanda mapfumo pasi, uye kusambokanda mapfumo pasi.
MH: Zvakanaka, Jeff?
JM: Zvakanaka, vanhu vazhinji vanobatwa izvozvi pakati pekupererwa uye kuendesa. Uye neizvozvo, ndinoreva kupererwa iwe wakazviputira pamubhedha wako. Uri kuenda โOh Mwari wangu, nyika inotyisa. ndinorega.โ Hatingazvisiye izvozvo zvichiitika uye zvinoreva kusvika, kusvika kuburikidza neChimurenga Chedu, semuenzaniso, kuburikidza nesangano ravo. Kana kusvika kuburikidza neIndivisible uye nekuona kuti uri munharaunda yeRepublican. Asi iwe unoziva, kune akawanda maDemocrats kupfuura iwe aunoziva.
Ndinofunga paunobatana nevamwe wobva waita pfungwa. Hongu, hatisi toga. Tiri muhondo iyi. Isu tinofanirwa kuhwina kurwa uku uye isu tinofanirwa kuihwina iko zvino isati yasvika 1% yekuvhara hurumende nevane simba nekusingaperi sarudzo iyi. Saka hongu, ramba. Ehe, ramba uye hongu, vhota muna Mbudzi 6 uye tora shamwari yega yega uye nhengo yemhuri newe kuvhoti.
MH: Ro Khanna?
RK: Zvakanaka, maonero angu anouya kuna sekuru vangu. Akapedza makore mana ari mutirongo naGandhi nekuda kwekuzvimirira kweIndia. Ndinoshanda muCongress mazuva ese nemurume John Lewis akarohwa paEdmund Pettus Bridge. Matambudziko edu haana kujeka kana achienzaniswa neizvo vanhu vakabayira kare. Ini chaizvo ndinotenda kuti Trump iri mumhepo yekupedzisira yekufamba kuri kufa uye isu tave panhongonya yeramangwana rinofambira mberi. Uye ibasa redu basa redu kune vanhu vakabayira zvakanyanya kupfuura zvatakaita kuti vatsungirire uye vaone izvo kuburikidza.
MH: Symone Sanders?
HH: Usambofa wakakanganwa kutsamwa ikoko. Mufunge kana muchienda kunovhota musi wa 6 Mbudzi uye kana muchienda kunovhota muprimary inotevera, pamunoenda kunovhota musarudzo dzinotevera mushure mezvo, mofunga kuti ndiyani anofanira kuisa zita rake pagwaro revavhoti. , usambokanganwa hasha dzawakanzwa pawaiona varume nevarume vakawanda veSeneti neCongress inodzorwa neRepublican vachisimuka ipapo vachizvidza vakadzi, vachisimuka ipapo vachizvidza vanhu vane ruvara. Usambofa wakakanganwa manzwiro aunoita pese paunonzwa Donald Trump achitaura chimwe chinhu chakapusa.
Nokuti vanhu ava vanotishandira. Vanotishandira, usambokanganwa. Uye kana mumwe munhu akasaita basa, anorasikirwa naro. Saka, kana iwe usingade zvakataurwa naLindsey Graham, muvhote kuti abude. Kana iwe usingade izvo Mitch McConnell aifanira kuita, mubvise. Usambofa wakakanganwa kutsamwa kwawakanzwa uye isu tinofanirwa kushandura kutsamwa uku kuita chiito uye chido. Chinhu chokupedzisira chandichataura ndechokudyisa zvakataurwa naNina basa ratiri kuita iye zvino sezvakaita basa rakaitwa naDr. King makore 56 apfuura rinoita kuti upenyu hwatiri kurarama nhasi huve nyore. Saka, basa ratiri kuita nhasi richabata hupenyu hwevanhu vanorarama makore makumi mashanu kusvika makumi matanhatu kubva zvino. Ndinovimba tichakwanisa kutaura kuti basa ratiri kuita rakafambisa tsono uye kubatsira pendulum kuzununguka kune rimwe divi.
MH: Uye pane icho chinyorwa, isu tapererwa nenguva. Ndiyo show yedu.
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Nina Turner, Symone Sanders, Senator Jeff Merkley, Congressman Ro Khanna, ndinotenda zvikuru nekuita hurukuro neni pamusoro peDeconstructed. Tinotenda zvikuru vateereri vedu pano paNational Union Building.
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Deconstructed kugadzirwa kweFirst Look Media uye Iyo Intercept, uye inogoverwa nePanoply. Mugadziri wedu ndiZach Mudiki. Dina Sayedahmed ndiye mubatsiri wedu wekugadzira. Ndatenda kune vandinoshanda navo veIntercept nerubatsiro rwavo pane ino yekurekodha: Thomas Crowley, Rodrigo Brandรฃo, naKate Myers. Iyo showa yakasanganiswa naBryan Pugh. Leital Molad ndiye mugadziri wedu mukuru. Mumhanzi wedu wedingindira rakanyorwa naBart Warshaw. Betsy Reed ndiye The Intercept mupepeti mukuru.
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