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Vhiki rino vachuchisi veSweden vakasiya kuferefetwa kwenyaya dzekushungurudzwa kwepabonde kune muvambi weWikiLeaks, Julian Assange, kubva muna 2010. Assange, uyo agara achiramba mhosva iyi, akapotera mukati meembassy yeEcuadorian muLondon kwemakore anopfuura manomwe kuti arege kuendeswa kuSweden pamhosva. . Zviremera zveBritain zvakamuzvuzvurudza kunze kwemumiriri weEcuadorian muna Kubvumbi uye kubvira akasungwa mujeri reLondon Belmarsh achipomerwa mhosva yekudarika bhero muna 2012, paakatanga kupinda muembassy kuti adzivise kuendeswa kuSweden pamusoro pemhosva yekushungurudza pabonde. . United States ichiri kutsvaga kuti Assange aendeswe kuUS, uko akatarisana nemakore zana nemakumi manomwe nemashanu ari mutirongo achipomerwa mhosva yekubira uye nemhosva gumi nenomwe dzekutyora mutemo weWorld War I-era Espionage Act nebasa raakaita mukuburitsa magwaro echiuto neanomiririra US. mhosva dzehondo muIraq neAfghanistan. Kunzwa kuzere kwekuendeswa kune dzimwe nyika kuchaitika muna Kukadzi. Isu tinotaura pamwe nevagadziri vebhuku idzva "Mukudzivirira kwaJulian Assange": Tariq Ali, munyori wenhoroondo, muratidziri, mugadziri wemufirimu, munyori uye mupepeti weNew Left Ongororo, naMargaret Ratner Kunstler, gweta rekodzero dzevanhu muchivande.
AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Ichi chi Dememocracy Zvino! Ndini Amy Goodman, patiri kuramba tichitarisa nyaya yaJulian Assange. Tabatanidzwa iye zvino nevamwe vapepeti vebhuku idzva. Inonzi Mukudzivirira kwaJulian Assange. Muunganidzwa wezvinyorwa nevamiriri vanotungamira, vatori venhau uye vanoridza muridzo vanoburitsa nyaya yeWikiLeaks neAssange uye kukosha kwekudzivirira kurwiswa kwevatapi venhau uye kodzero yeruzhinji yekuziva. Tariq Ali anobatana nesu kubva kuLondon. Munyori wenhoroondo, muratidziri, mugadziri wemafirimu, munyori, mupepeti we Ongororo Yatsva Yokudzoka. Uye muno muNew York, gweta rinorwira kodzero dzevanhu Margaret Kunstler anesu. Tinokugamuchirai mose Dememocracy Zvino!.
Tariq, ngatitange newe muLondon. Iwe hausi kure nejeri reBelmarsh uko Julian Assange akachengetwa kubva muna Kubvumbi, sezvo mapurisa akapinda akamubudisa kunze kweEmbassy yeEcuadorian kwaakange aine hutiziro hwezvematongerwo enyika kwemakore anopfuura manomwe. Vhiki rapfuura, hurumende yeSweden yakazivisa, ndinotenda kuti ndekechitatu, kuti vapedza kuferefeta kwavo kushungurudzwa kwepabonde kuna Julian Assange. Haana kumbopomerwa mhosva uye aigara achiramba mhosva yacho. Mungataure here nezve kukosha kwebudiriro iyi mozotaura nezve zviri kuitika naJulian Assange apo akamirira kuti Britain ichabvuma here kumudzosa kuUnited States, uko akatarisana nemakore anodarika zana ari muhusungwa pasi pemutemo weEspionage Act uyo haunyanyike. kukumbirwa munyika ino, iwo mutemo wenguva yeHondo Yenyika I? Tariq Ali?
TARIQ ALI: Amy, mamiriro ezvinhu ane hukama nevaSweden anoshamisa. Vange vachinetsana pakati pavo kuti vopomera Julian mhosva here kubva pakatanga nyaya iyi. Pavakatanga, vachuchisi vaviri vechikadzi havana kubvumirana. Mumwe akati hapana mhosva yekupindura; mumwe wacho akasunda kuferefeta. Akakunda. Asi pese Assange paakavapa kuti vamubvunzurudze, vauye kuzomubvunza muLondon, vakaramba kuita kudaro.
Uye vazhinji vedu vari pedyo naJulian uye vachimudzivirira kubva pakutanga vakanzwa kuti pane chimwe chinhu chine hove, kuti vakanga vasina mhosva. Uye Julian, uyo akatipa nhoroondo yose yerutivi rwake rwacho, akanga ane chokwadi chose kuti chikonzero nei ikoku kwakanga kuchiitwa kwaiva kumupfigira mutorongo reSweden kutozosvikira vaAmerica vagadzirira—hurumende yeAmerica yakanga yagadzirira kumuendesa kunze kwenyika. Akati hapagoni kuva neimwe tsananguro.
Uye neveSweden ikozvino vakakanda nyaya kechitatu uye vachiti yakawedzera kana kushoma-uye chimwe chikonzero chavanopa chekupfuura, kuti vakadzi vane chekuita vakazvipomera izvi, yave nguva refu kubva zvavakazvitaura uye, iwe. ziva, vakavhiringika, havachayeuki—zvakanaka, ndichangoratidza kuti mabhuku akawanda anotaura nezvokubatwa chibharo akanyorwa nevakadzi nevarume anoti chinhu chimwe chete chisingakanganwi mukadzi anenge abatwa chibharo ndicho chiitiko ichocho. Anogona kukanganwa zvimwe zvinhu zvakawanda; haazvikanganwe izvozvo. Saka nyaya yekuti madzimai vakamupomera mhosva havasati vagadzirira kubuda pachena chiratidzo chekuti pane chaive chisina kumira zvakanaka kubva pakutanga.
Chero zvazvingava, zvakaitwa izvi ndezvekuti kekutanga kubva muna Kubvumbi apo Julian akavharirwa mujeri rekuchengetedzwa kwepamusoro, Belmarsh, bepanhau rakasununguka. The Guardian pakupedzisira akabuda ndokumudzivirira, achishandisa chokwadi chokuti mhosva dzakadonhedzwa nevaSweden uye vakati haafaniri kuendeswa kunze, kuti zvingava kutsamwa kana ari iye. Chaakangoita kubudisa mashoko izvo The Guardian rakabudiswa mumapeji aro, The New York Times zvakabudiswa, Nyika zvakabudiswa, Repubblica rakabudiswa muItaly. Saka kunenge kuri kurwiswa kwakanyanya kwerusununguko rwevanhu. Saka pakupedzisira, chimwe chinhu chiri kutanga kufamba pamberi pemainstream kudzivirira Julian.
Iye zvino, chaizvoizvo, haafaniri kuiswa mujeri zvachose. Akapihwa mutongo mukuru wekusatevedzera zviri pamutemo yechibatiso. Kashoma kuti chero munhu akaita izvozvo ashande mutongo uzere. Zvakadaro, mutongo iwoyo wakapihwa makore apfuura. Saka sei achiri kuchengetwa mujeri rinochengetedzwa zvakanyanya? Icho chirango chekutsiva nedare rekutonga reChirungu pachiremera chehurumende, iyo iri pachena inoda izvi, kugutsa uye kufadza United States, uye kuranga Julian. Vanoda kuti ange ari mumamiriro ezvinhu aari, atsanangurwa nemunyori weUnited Nations maminetsi mashoma apfuura pachirongwa ichi. Uye vanoda kumuodza mwoyo nokumuparadza. Kana zvisina kudaro, akaratidza kunyange kana achifanira kuiswa mujeri, izvo zvandisingabvumi kweminiti, angave ari mujeri rakazaruka umo mamiriro ezvinhu akasiyana zvikuru.
Saka hurongwa hwehutongi hwechirungu huri kuita sehutongi hwejekerere. Zvinofanira kutaurwa. Munhu haafaniri kuva nefungidziro pamusoro pazvo. Mutongi, Lady Arbuthnot, aifanirwa kunge ari kuyedza nyaya iyi, akabatana, isu tave kuziva, kune nhamba yakazara - murume wake ane akawanda, akawanda anokahadzika hukama neindasitiri yezvombo yeAmerica, nezvimwe. Handidi kupinda mune izvo zvakadzama. Zvichida zvichabuda. Asi chakanyanya kukosha ndechekuti mazuva mashoma apfuura, akapa mukana wekubvisa mari yechibatiso kuvanhu vaviri vekuAsia, South Asia, vari kupomerwa mhosva yekuponda munyika dzavo, nekuuraya vanhu, uye kuti vadzoserwe kunze kwenyika. Iye akafara chaizvo, pasina hanya munyika, akavapa bhero. Saka sei uchichengeta Julian mujeri uye usingamupi bheroro kana kumuendesa kune rimwe jeri? Mamiriro ezvinhu anotyisa.
AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Pane dzimwewo nhau dzakabuda, dzawakataura. MunaSeptember, pepanhau reSpain Nyika yakaratidza iyo deginamajai akashanda nekambani yakazvimiririra yekuSpain inosora Julian Assange mukati meembassy yeEcuadorian muLondon kwaakange aine hupoteri hwezvematongerwo enyika kwemakore anopfuura manomwe. Ecuador yakanga yahaya femu, inonzi Undercover Global SL, senge kuti ichengetedze embassy, asi femu iyi inonzi yakapawo odhiyo nevhidhiyo muchivande. deginamajai yemisangano yakaitwa naAssange nemagweta ake, vatori venhau, vanachiremba uye vashanyi. Iyo femu yakaisa zvakavanzika vhidhiyo makamera mukati meembassy, ndokuisa maikorofoni muzvidzimisa moto zveembassy muimba yekugezera yevakadzi. Mukuru wefemu parizvino ari kuferefetwa neSpain's National Court. Tariq?
TARIQ ALI: Hongu, izvi zviri kuitika. Nyika yakabudisa mushumo wakasimba zvikuru, uye kwakanga kune hasha zhinji muSpain, kwete bedzi kubva kuvafungidziri venguva dzose. Vanhu vakashatirwa zvakanyanya kuti kambani yekuSpain yakanga yaongorora Julian Assange zvisiri pamutemo. Kwete kuti akanyanya kushamisika. Hapana mumwe wedu akadaro. Mumwe anotarisira kuti izvi zviitike. Asi zvakadaro zvinokatyamadza kuti zvinogona kuitika nyore.
Uye iyi femu nevakuru vayo vari kurwiswa izvozvi, kurohwa zviri pamutemo muSpain, uye ndinovimba vachazopindura chimwe chinhu kana chimwe. Izvi zvaizojekesa izvo Julian — kana paine akatarisa zvinhu izvi vanhu ava vatora uye vakarekodha, zvese zvingaite kana munhu asina kwaakarerekera akavatarisa ndeyekusimbisa nyaya mukudzivirira Julian Assange uye kutaura kuti ndizvo zvaari. muparidzi uye mutori wenhau anodhinda mashoko anotumirwa kwaari, kuti anobata, kuti aite sei? Kuti veruzhinji vazive.
Nemhaka yokuti iye zvino tiri kurarama munharaunda umo hurumende dzinoreva nhema dzakajeka kana kuti kuvanza zvinhu kuvagari vadzo vavanofunga kuti vanobatwa zvakanakisisa sevana. "Kwete pamberi pevana." Zvakanaka, Julian Assange naWikiLeaks, sangano, vakaputsa neizvi uye vakabudisa zvose. Uye sezvineiwo, zvakawanda zvavakaburitsa zvakaratidza kuti kuseri kwezviitiko, vashoma vamiriri vekuAmerica vaiziva zvaiitika uye vachiudza hurumende yavo muWashington, "Izvi zvanyanya" maererano nezvinhu zvakasiyana. Saka vanobuda zvakanaka.
Saka hazvisirizvo kuti zvinhu izvi zvaikurudzira hugandanga kana chero zvisina maturo zvakadaro. Yakangopa chero mugari chero kupi zvako munyika mukana wekuti vaone kuti chii chainyatsoitika. Uye ichi chave chiri chinangwa chaJulian muhupenyu, chaizvo, nguva pfupi yadarika, zviri pachena, kuita izvi.
Amy, ndinofunga kuti tinofanira kusava nechokwadi kuti chikonzero chavari kuita izvi—maBritish, United States, zvichingodaro—ndechokuzviita—chinodzivisa. Ndechokuudza chero vamwe vanhu vanoburitsa zvinyorwa zvisina mvumo, “Onai, izvi ndizvo zvinoitika. Tarisa zvakaitika kuna Julian Assange. Takamukiya. Takamutambudza. Tinoda kumuvharira upenyu hwake hwose.” Uye chinangwa ndechekutyisidzira vanhu. Chokwadi hazvishande. Hazvimboshanda. Nokuti nokukurumidza kana kuti gare gare, mumwe munhu achagumbuka nokupupurira utsinye, mumwe munhu anoshandira hurumende, uye huchabudazve. Izvi hazvina kumbofanorongwa, kana mumwe munhu akaita saSnowden akatsamwa uye oratidza ruzivo. Saka kunyangwe sechidziviso, chiri icho chinangwa chavo, hazvisi kuzoshanda.
AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Tariq Ali, ndaida kuenda kune rimwe rezvinyorwa zvinoputika zvakaburitswa neWikiLeaks. Ndiri kudzokera ku2010 apo WikiLeaks yakaburitsa vhidhiyo yemauto eUS inokatyamadza ichiratidza kusarura uye kuuraya vanhuwo zvavo muBaghdad, kusanganisira vashandi vaviri veReuters, mutori wenhau nemutyairi wake. Vakaurayiwa mukurwisa uku pamwe chete nevamwe vanhu vasere, uye vana vaviri vakakuvadzwa. Vanhu vanenge vasere vakaurayiwa.
Vhidhiyo iyi yakaitwa Chikunguru 12, 2007, neuto reUS Apache helicopter gunship. Vhidhiyo yakatorwa kubva kupfuti. Vari kutarisa nechinangwa pasi uye vashandi vaviri veReuters, ari kuuya-uye-anouya mutori wevhidhiyo, Namir Noor-Eldeen, uyo aiva nemakore makumi maviri nemaviri, akanga ane kamera, sezvakaita mutyairi wake, Saeed Chmagh, makumi mana emakore. - baba vevana vana. Unonzwa varume, varwi vachiseka, vachidzokera kubhesi kuti vaone—vaisava nhubu—kana vaigona kuwana mvumo yokuridza pfuti, iyo yakabvumirwa. Vhidhiyo inotonhorera sezvavanoseka uye vanotuka uye unoona varume vakaurayiwa pazasi.
Naizvozvo panguva iyoyo, Julian Assange akanga ari muUnited States apo ikoku kwakabudiswa, uye takataura naye mustudio muWashington, DC—izvi zviri nani asati atizira muembassy yeEcuador; uyu wanga uri Kubvumbi 2010—pamusoro pevhidhiyo yavakanga vadaidza kuti “Collateral Murder.”
JULIAN ASSANGE: Patakatanga kuiwana, takaudzwa kuti yakakosha uye yairatidza kuurayiwa kwevatori venhau, asi isu takanga tisina mamwe mamiriro. Uye isu takapedza mwedzi yakati wandei mushure mekutyora iyo decryption takatarisa zvakanyanya mune izvi. Uye patakaramba tichitarisa, ndipo pazvakanyanya kuvhiringidza. Iyi nhevedzano ine zvakawanda zvakadzama. Uye ini ndinofunga mune dzimwe nzira, inobata zvakawanda zvezvakaipa zvehondo yemuchadenga muIraq uye izvo zvatinofanira kukwanisa kutaura zviri kuitika muAfghanistan. Aya haasi maapuro akaipa. Iyi ndiyo tsika yakajairika. Iwe unogona kuzvinzwa kubva kumatoni emanzwi evatyairi vendege kuti iri ndiro rimwe zuva kuhofisi. Ava vatyairi vendege sezviri pachena nevapfuti vashatiswa kwazvo, vakashatiswa mutsika nehondo, zvokuti vari kutsvaka zvikonzero zvokuuraya.
AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Hongu, ndiJulian Assange wekuUnited States mushure mekuburitswa kwevhidhiyo iyi "Collateral Murder". Takabatanidzwa naTariq Ali muLondon naMargaret Kunstler muno muNew York. Pamwe chete, vakagadzirisa bhuku idzva Mukudzivirira kwaJulian Assange. Margaret, uri gweta rekodzero dzevanhu. Taura nezvekuti sei waburitsa bhuku iri panguva ino uye kukosha kwezvatichangobva kuona, vhidhiyo inoratidza kuuraya - munoziva, Reuters, mushure mekunge Namir naSaeed vaurayiwa nemauto eUS, vakakumbira mauto kuti avape. humbowo hwezvakaitika uye mauto haana kuburitsa vhidhiyo iyi, kunyange kubvuma kuti vaive nayo. Izvi zvinounza Chelsea Manning-
MARGARET KUNSTLER: Hungu, inodaro.
AMY MURUME AKANAKA: - uye zvinounza - uyo ari mutirongo, zvakadaro, kunyangwe ari - izvi zvinounza Chelsea Manning uyo akaburitswa mutirongo mushure memakore manomwe, asi zvino adzokera mutirongo mune imwe nyaya asi ine hukama.
MARGARET KUNSTLER: Zvakanaka, zvine hukama hwepedyo, kutaura zvazviri. Uye kuburitswa kwaChelsea Manning kweizvozvo-kutumira izvo zvinhu kuna Julian Assange kwakakurudzirwa nechikumbiro cheReuters. Akanga anzwa kuti Reuters yaitevera, saka akaitsvaga. Uye aida kubatsira uye kutsanangura zvakaitika. Ipapo akashamiswa kwazvo-
AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Uye aive mukuru wehungwaru muIraq.
MARGARET KUNSTLER: Aive mukuru wehungwaru muIraq, uye akarohwa nehana paakazviona zvekuti akashaya zvekuita kunze kwekuitumira. Ehe, akaedza kuitumira kune mamwe masosi-ku The New York Times uye kune dzimwe nzvimbo dzenhau, asi Julian akaitora ndokuisunungura, sezvauri kuona.
AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Saka sei wagadzirisa vhoriyamu iyi izvozvi, Mukudzivirira kwaJulian Assange?
MARGARET KUNSTLER: Zvakanaka, kwave nekutsauswa kwakawanda kubva pane izvo chaizvo-izvo zviri mungozi pano, zvekuti takanzwa kuti kana tikaburitsa ruzivo rwakakwana pamusoro pezviri kuitika - kutyisidzira kuna Julian uye kutyisidzira kuBumbiro reMitemo, First Amendment. munyika ino—kuti vanhu vadzoke vozvinzwisisa uye vaungane uye varwise izvi. Nekuti ndiyo chete nzira iyo iyi ichauya - yekuti Julian haazounzwa munyika ino, haazosungwa kwehupenyu hwake hwese uye Yekutanga Amendment ichiripo.
AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Saka tsanangura zviri kuitika. Ari mujeri izvozvi. Anotarisana nemakore 175 mujeri kana akaendeswa kuUnited States nokuda kweusori?
MARGARET KUNSTLER: Ichokwadi. Pane mhosva gumi nenomwe dzinobata husori mukupomerwa uku. Aka ndekekutanga kuti mutori wenhau apihwe mhosva yehusori. Uye imhaka yekuti vatori venhau nevatori venhau vagara vakasimudzwa senzira yakakosha uye yega yekuburitsa zviri kuitika muhurumende. Kusvika pari zvino-hazvisati zvamboitika. Mhosva yehusori hairevi kuvhara chiitiko cherudzi urwu uye mhosva dzeespionage mupomero iyi ndeyekutyora kweFirst Amendment. Pamwe ndaigona kuverenga—
AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Tinongova nemasekonzi gumi, asi kana uchikwanisa—
MARGARET KUNSTLER: Ndichaedza kuverenga nekukurumidza. Izvi zvinobva kukubatana kwaHugo Black mukati The New York Times nyaya, mune Pentagon kesi. “MuFirst Amendment, vanababa vakavamba vakapa vezvenhau vakasununguka dziviriro yavanofanira kuita kuti izadzise basa rayo rinokosha mudemokrasi yedu. Muchina wokudhinda waifanira kushandira vatongi, kwete magavhuna. Simba rehurumende rekuongorora mapepanhau rakabviswa kuitira kuti vezvenhau varambe vakasununguka zvachose kuti vatsiure hurumende. Muchina wokudhinda wakadzivirirwa kuitira kuti ugokwanisa kutakura zvakavanzika zvehurumende uye kuzivisa vanhu. Mutori wenhau wakasununguka chete, usingadzorwi anogona kufumura unyengeri muhurumende.”
AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Uye aya ndiwo mazwi aJustice Hugo Black. Ndinoda kukutendai, Margaret Kunstler, naTariq Ali, vabatsiri vebhuku idzva Mukudzivirira kwaJulian Assange. Ndiri Amy Goodman. Manheru ano, tichava naJuan González paPeople's Forum muNew York.
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