David Barsamian ndiye muvambi weAlternative Radio, chirongwa chevhiki nevhiki chisina kuisirwa nyaya dzeveruzhinji icho chinogona kunzwika panhepfenyuro dzenharaunda kuNorth America. Mamwe emabhuku ake anosanganisira Imperial Ambitions naNoam Chomsky, Eqbal Ahmad: Confronting Empire, uye The Checkbook uye Cruise Missile: Hurukuro naArundhati Roy. Iyi hurukuro yakatorwa mangwanani ezuva muna Gumiguru we2005 muMontreal.
KT: Ndakaverenga kuti wakati "Apo US inofamba ichienda kuhondo, vezvenhau vanofamba nayo". Inogona here kutsanangura zvakafara kuti media inowanzoshanda sei empire?
DB: Kunyanya kuUnited States uko makambani mashanu anodzora izvo zvinoonekwa nevanhu vazhinji vekuAmerica, kunzwa, uye kuverenga, makambani aya ane hukama hwepedyo hwehupfumi, zvematongerwo enyika, uye ndinotya kutaura hukama hwepfungwa nesimba. Vanozvifananidza nenyika, uye vanoisa pasi makamera avo nemakrofoni avo kune kufarira kwenyika. Zvikurukuru munguva yehondo umo kune jingoistic hysteria yakawanda, kupeperetswa kwemureza, uye kushingaira kwenyika; nhepfenyuro, mazhinji enhau, kwete ese, mazhinji enhau anozviona sezviridzwa zveAmerican destiny, chero zvingareva, kana simba reAmerica. Takaona izvo zvakajeka neIraq neAfghanistan, asi zvakare nhoroondo, Hondo yeVietnam, kurwiswa kweLaos neCambodia, izvi zvakaenda zvisina kupikiswa kwemakore. Vezvenhau vakaisa mukati mafungidziro ekutanga anogadzirwa nenyika, kuti nyika yakadaro uye yakadai inotyisa kuUnited States, inova hwaro hwenhaurirano, uyezve nhaurirano, inopfuura yekungotaura chete ipapo nhaurirano, yobva yaitika. pakati pemapundits, pakati penyanzvi, kubva kune aya egoridhe rolodexes evakangwara uye vanofarirwa vanofunga, vakaita saMichael Ignatieff wekuCanada, David Frum, nevamwe. [Iyo nhaurirano ndeye] Maitiro ekuita mutemo, saka iyo US inofanirwa kurwisa Iraq nemauto mazana maviri nemakumi mashanu kana mazana maviri nemakumi mashanu emauto? Inofanira kupinda nechisimba kubva kuTurkey neKuwait, kana kungobva kuKuwait? Panofanira kunge paine mushandirapamwe wekubhomba pakutanga, kana mushandirapamwe wepasi? Iyi ndiyo hurukuro, saka munoona huwori hwakaita zvinhu muUnited States, vezvenhau havapikisane nefungidziro huru, hapana anoti “United States ine kodzero yei yekupinda nechisimba chero nyika pasi pemutemo wepasi rose, zvisiri pamutemo—. . Ini ndichakupa muenzaniso, New York Times inoonekwa sebepanhau rakasununguka, inhau dzese dzakakodzera kudhinda, imhando yeUS Global neMail, pepanhau renyika rakakomba, kwete revanhuwo zvavo. , ndezvemamaneja nevaridzi, uye vezvematongerwo enyika netsika dzepamusoro. Kubva munaGunyana 200,000, 150,000 kusvika pakurwiswa kweIraq muna Kurume 11, New York Times yaive nezvinyorwa makumi manomwe paIraq, hapana kana imwe yezvinyorwa izvi yavakataura nezveUnited Nations Charter, kana Nuremberg Tribunals, kana Geneva Kokorodzano. Zvose izvo, kunyanya United Nations Charter, inotaura zvakananga kuti kuronga uye kurwa kwehondo ine hutsinye, iyo ndiyo yekutanga kurohwa kune imwe nyika isiri kukutyisidzira, ndiyo mhosva yehondo yepasi rose. Zvino, nei vasina kunyora izvozvo, nei vasina kuzivisa vaverengi vavo, pamwe vaisaziva? Izvo hazvigoneke, hongu ivo vaiziva, zvakasiiwa nemaune kuitira kuti ruzivo risave chikamu chehurukuro yezvematongerwo enyika.
KT: Iwe unoona ichi sechimwe chinhu [chakaitika] muhumambo hwakapfuura, kuti vezvenhau vangave vachifora ne [empire]?
DB: Huye, nhoroondo yenhau sezvatinoziva haisi yekare, tinogona kudzokera kumashure kwekuzvarwa kwepropaganda inoitika chaizvo munguva yeHondo Yenyika I, apo maBritish neAmerica akatanga chirongwa chakasimba chekuita dhimoni maGerman. Panyaya yeUnited States, sangano rekunyepa chairo rakagadzirwa neWoodrow Wilson manejimendi, mumwe munhu anoonekwa seanosununguka munhoroondo yeUS. Uku kwaiva kuzvarwa kwe, chaizvoizvo, propaganda yemazuva ano. Vavheneko vakadai saWalter Lippman naEdward Bernays vaiva nhengo dzeiyi yainzi Creel Commission, yakagadzirirwa kufambisa tsigiro yokuti US ipinde muHondo Yenyika I. Pashure peHondo Yenyika I, pakati pema1920 Hitler paakanyora bhuku rake rinonzi Mein. Kampf (Kurwisana Kwangu), akaratidza kuti Germany yakarasikirwa nehondo yepropaganda, vakazvibata zvehondo, asi pamwero weparaganda, vakakundwa zvachose uye vakakundwa neBritish neAmerica. Uye akavimbisa muhondo yaitevera, kuti Germany yaizoita zvinhu zvakasiyana, uye zvechokwadi vakaita zvinhu zvakasiyana, vakagadzira Ministry of Propaganda, vakanga vane propagandist akachenjera zvikuru semutungamiri Joseph Gerbils. Propaganda inouya mukukura kwayo mu20th Century. Iye zvino mu21st Century nekuwedzera kweterevhizheni uye zvemagetsi media. Nguva ino isati yasvika propaganda yaingoperera kumaposta uye pamwe zvimwe zvekupihwa nemapepanhau mashoma. Rukuvhute rwemagetsi rwakanga rwusati rwakura kusvika pari zvino, kunyanya nekushandiswa kukuru kweterevhizheni.
KT: Ndinoziva kuti waive munguva pfupi yapfuura muTurkey uchienda kuWorld Tribunal paHondo muIraq, chaive chimwe chinhu chakagashirwa zvachose kumadokero. Pamwe unogona kutaura nezvazvo uye neTribunal pachayo.
DB: Paive neine virtual media white-out kana black-out, zvichienderana nekuti ndeupi ruvara rwaunoda, kana ndichiti midhiya ndinoreva media yemakambani. Pakave nekuburitswa munhau dzakazvimiririra dzedzimwe nhepfenyuro muUnited States. Ichi chaive chiitiko chinoshamisa chakaitika muIstanbul muvhiki yekupedzisira yaChikumi 2005. Yaive chikamu chechimakumi maviri uye chekupedzisira chematare edzimhosva akaitwa pasi rose, New York, London, Rome, nemamwe maguta. Musangano paIraq, uye uchiratidza humbowo nemharidzo, pakange paine dare redzimhosva muIstanbul raina Arundhati Roy wekuIndia, akangwara Chandra Muzaffar wekuMalaysia, Eve Ensler wekuUnited States anozivikanwa semunyori weVagina Monologues, nevamwe vanhu veizvozvo. calibre, zvinokatyamadza. Vakanzwa, takanzwa humbowo kubva kuvanhu vakasiyana-siyana, kusanganisira Samir Amin wekuEgypt, Denis Halliday wekuIreland aimbove Mutevedzeri Mukuru weUnited Nations uye mumwe wevatariri vechirongwa chine mukurumbira wakashata cheFood-for-Oil, akasiya basa nekuti. akati zvirango izvi zviri kuuraya vanhu vasina mhosva vekuIraq. Mutevedzeri wake aivepowo muIstanbul achipa humbowo Hans Van Sponeck, iyewo akasiya chigaro achiratidzira, akati chirongwa ichi hachibatsire vanhuwo zvavo vekuIraq, chiri kuvauraya, aivepo achipupura. Paive nevaIraqi vazhinji vakabva kuIraq, vachipfuura nemuTurkey. Dahr Jamail aivepo, mutori wenhau anoshamisa akazvimiririra, asina kunyudzwa, wechizvarwa chechitatu wekuRebhanoni kudivi rababa vake, akasarudza pakatanga hondo yeIraq munaKurume we20 akasemeswa nekushamiswa nekuburitswa, kana kushaikwa kwenyaya, mu. vezvenhau muUnited States, akasarudza kuenda kuIraq. Haasi mutori wenhau.
KT: Chii chaaive nacho zvisati zvaitika?
DB: Aiita mabasa asinganzwisisike, chokwadi akange atove muColorado semurairidzi weski, akabva aenda kuAlaska kunokwira makomo, akange achiita zvisinganzwisisike. He is a late bloomer, he is in his late 30's, afunga kuita mutori wenhau, zvandaifunga kuti zvine hungwaru, zvakaita senzira yakabatana neruzivo rwangu, ndiri rudzi rwekunonoka maruva, handina. tanga kuita rudzi urwu rwebasa kutozosvikira ndava pakati kana kuti mukupera kwe30, ndakanga ndichiita zvimwe zvinhu, kutamba sitar, kudzidzisa Chirungu somutauro wechipiri muWorld Trade Center, mabasa akadaro. Ndakaona zvichifadza kuti Dahr akangosimuka ndokuenda kuIraq ndokunorondedzera zvaiitika ikoko. Saka ava vaive vamwe vevanhu vaipupura. Haifa Zangana aivepo, kubva kuIraq. Vakadzi vakati wandei vekuIraq vakapupura kuti chii chaiitika, kuti hondo yaibata sei kunyanya vakadzi. Uye saka Tribunal yakasangana muIstanbul, yakarongwa nevanhu muTurkey, yakaitwa zvakanaka kwazvo. Ndinofanira kukuudza kuti nzvimbo yeTribunal yaive yakakosha, yaive mune yaimbove umambo mint yeOttoman Sultan mumuzinda wavo mukuru unozivikanwa seTopkapi. MuTopkapi Palace, inova nzvimbo huru yekushanya, iyo mint yeumambo iri kuputsika, haisati yagadziridzwa. Apa takanga tichisangana mune chimwe chivakwa chaipepereswa pendi zvidhinha zvichiputsika, zvaifananidzira nekuti apa paive nematongo ehumambo hwaimbovepo, zvino tave kutaura nezvekuparara kwehumwe humambo, humwe humambo huchaparara. humambo hweUS. Vanhu vaisagona kupotsa chiratidzo cheizvi. Dare rakapa chiziviso chekupedzisira, harina kuwana United States chete mhosva dzehondo, asi United Kingdom, hutongi hwaTony Blair, Berlusconi neItari, John Howard weAustralia, nyika dzese dzakapinda mukurwiswa kwemhosva uku. Iraq, yaive mhando yekutarisirwa. Paive nemimwe mitongo miviri yakaunzwa nejury yaishamisa. Sekuziva kwangu kekutanga munhoroondo, vezvenhau vakasarudzirwa mhosva, vezvenhau vemakambani vakabatwa nemhosva yekuve mubatsiri kuhondo. Nenzira ipi? Vakaita sebhandi rekutakura manyepo aigadzirwa nehurumende dzeHoward, Bush, Blair, neBerlusconi, uye vakangodzidzokorora. Havana kuvapikisa, havana kuvabvunzurudza, havana kuvabvunzurudza. Uye mune zvimwe zviitiko kunyange vatori venhau vakapihwa mazita, saJudith Miller weThe New York Times, mumwe munhu akazove muromo-murwi waAhmed Chalabi, muIraq akapfuma kwazvo, akabva kuIraq mushure mekupidigura humambo hweHashemite muna 1958. Aibva kumhuri yakapfuma kwazvo yeShia, akagara muutapwa, uye anga aine huori uye aine mhosva, akatongerwa makore anopfuura 20 mujeri muJoridhani, nokuda kwemhosva yekubiridzira uye kuba bhangi muAmman. . Uyu ndiye munhu aipa ruzivo kuna Judith Miller nezvezvombo zvekuparadza kukuru, anga asiri muIraq mumakore makumi mashanu, aitoita nyaya. Uye Miller, kune kuzvidzwa kwake kukuru uye kunyadziswa, haana kumbopikisa ruzivo, haana kumbobvunza humbowo hunotsigira kutsigira izvi zvinopomerwa. Saka vezvenhau vakabatwa vaine mhosva, uye makambani akadai seHalliburton neBechtel akawana purofiti yakakura kubva mukurwiswa kweIraq nebasa ririkuenderera mberi. Asi zvakare mamwe makambani ane mukurumbira pasi rose akaita sePepsi, Nestle, KFC, akawana pundutso muhondo. Saka icho chaive chiitiko chinonakidza, uye ndinofunga chinhu chakakosha cheWorld Tribunal paIraq. Vanhu vanokwanisa kuverenga nezvenhaurirano uye mutongo wekupedzisira, kune mawebhusaiti I'm sure, kana uka google World Tribunal paIraq unogona kuwana ruzivo irworwo. Chakanga chiri chiitiko chinoodza mwoyo zvikuru, kune rumwe rutivi, asiwo chaikurudzira zvikuru.
KT: Ini ndaida kuverenga chimwe chinhu kubva kuna Hakim Bey kubva mubhuku rake Temporary Autonomous Zone, anonyora kuti:
"KuMabvazuva vadetembi dzimwe nguva vanokandwa mutirongo-rudzi rwerumbidzo, sezvo zvichiratidza kuti munyori akaita chimwe chinhu chaicho sekuba kana kubata chibharo kana shanduko. Pano vadetembi vanotenderwa kushambadza chero chinhu zvachose-rudzi rwechirango chiripo, jeri risina madziro, risina maungira, pasina kuvapo kunooneka-mumvuri-nzvimbo yekudhindwa, kana yekufunga-nyika isina njodzi kana eros.
"Saka nhetembo yakafa zvakare - uye kunyangwe mumia kubva pachitunha chake ikachengeta zvimwe zvekuporesa, kumuka kwega hakusi imwe yacho."
Vadetembi vekuMabvazuva vaigona kuzunungusa vanhu, asi apa zvaizodei kuzunguza vanhu?
DB: MuUnited States, zvichatora rudzi rwekusimuka mukuziva, vanhu ikoko havana ruzivo, havazive zviri kuitwa nehurumende muzviitiko zvakawanda. Zvinoitika nekufamba kwenguva, ndinoona mikana yekuchinja, ndinoienzanisa nemarathon uye sprint. Marathon mujaho wakareba kwazvo. Uye sprint mujaho mupfupi kwazvo wakaoma kuhwina uye unoda hukuru hwekumhanya uye kudzidziswa, uye ingori 100m ngatitii. Nepo marathon iri makiromita akawanda. Saka tinofanira kusimudzira vezvenhau vakazvimiririra, tinofanirwa kugadzira mavhidhiyo edu, izvo zvandiri kufara kuti zviri kuitika, tine vananyanduri vanopikisa asi havana vateereri vakawanda muUS. Ndinoda kukupa muenzaniso wechiitiko cheushingi chakanyanya muUnited States, Sharon Olds achangobva kupihwa rukudzo, ari purofesa weNew York University uye nyanduri, akaremekedzwa neNational Book Critics Award, akakokwa kuWashington DC na. Laura Bush kuenda kumabiko uye mimwe mhemberero. Vakanyora tsamba yainge yakatsetseka chaizvo vachiti 'ndingapiwa rukudzo ndaishuvira kuti ndipindewo asi pfungwa yekumedura chingwa newe wogara patafura ine machira nemakenduru uye kushandirwa nemawaiter yaingosemesa nekuvhundutsa. yenyadzi dzamaunza kuUnited States neropa riri pamaoko enyu nemaoko evarume venyu nokuda kwezviito zvoutsotsi zvehurumende.’ Vadetembi nevanyori vagara vari mutsara wokutanga wokuramba, izvo zvave zvichinyatsoitika munhoroondo dzekare. Mabvazuva uko tsika yemuromo yakasimba kwazvo, munyika dzeArab Middle Eastern, muTurkey, muIran, muAfghanistan, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, kwave kune tsika yevadetembi vanotaura zvinopesana nesimba, vanotaura chokwadi kune simba, avo bvunzurudza huchenjeri hwakakurumbira, kufunga kwakajairwa, uye pfungwa dzehegemonic. Kukudziridza tsika yekuramba kunoda kuvandudzwa kwemukati uye kukura kwevanhu, izvo zvausingaone zvakanyanya zvinosuruvarisa muUnited States, kwete mhiri kwebhodhi, kune homwe dzekupokana muUS, muBerkley, mu. Madison, kwandinogara muBoulder, muAlbuquerque, mumaguta akasiyana akatenderedza US. Asi nekuda kwebasa reparaganda, pesvedzero yeterevhizheni nezvinobudisa nhau, uye gadziriro yedzidzo isinganyatsodzidzisi, inoroverera pane kudzidzisa, isingadzidzisi vadzidzi kuvaka, haidzidzisi vadzidzi kukudziridza kufunga kwakadzama. ; isu tine basa rakawanda rekuita mukati meUS mukuvandudza pfungwa apo isu tinogona kushandura mamiriro ipapo kana zvikasadaro izvi zvinongoramba zvichingozvidzokorora.
KT: Unogona here kutaura zvakawanda nezve midhiya sechombo che intifada kana midhiya sechombo chekupikisa.
DB: Zvakanaka, midhiya chishandiso chakakosha chekuramba, nekuti pasina ruzivo, uye pasina kubatana kunopihwa neruzivo irworwo, saka vanhu vari panjodzi yekushungurudzwa, kutonga uye kukunda. Isu tinoda, isu - vanhu vanopikisa, vanhu vanopokana nehumambo - tinoda kusimbisa izvo zvemagetsi zvinongedzo, iwo waya, isu tinofanirwa kuvaka iwo waya, isu tinofanirwa kugadzira izvo zvinongedzo pakati pemakomputa edu, minidisks edu, uye makamera edu, uye mazita e-e-mail edu uye mawebhusaiti edu, kuvaka intifada yemagetsi sokunge zvakadaro, kurwisa kudzora kwekambani yezvenhau iyo iri kuyedza kumisa kutendeseka kwehumambo uye kutonga. Tinoona munzvimbo dzakasiyana dzepasi, vagadziri vemafirimu vari kushanda pasi pemamiriro ezvinhu akaoma zvikuru, nhepfenyuro dzeredhiyo dzichigadzira redhiyo yenharaunda, redhiyo ine simba repasi reFM (ndiko budiriro yakakosha), tambo yekuwana TV, zvese izvi midhiya, mapepanhau, pa- line uye off-line zines. Indaneti pachayo yave chishandiso chikuru, asi tinofanira kuziva kuti tingaishandisa sei nemazvo, kana zvikasadaro tinogona kungovigwa pasi pee-mail uye nekusingaperi encyclopaedia nzizi dzemashoko, tinoda ruzivo runogona kutungamirira kuzviito, izvo zvinogona kupisa a. kushorwa munzira dzakasimba. Zviitiko izvi zvinofadza zvikuru, ndine tariro huru, ndinofara zvikuru kuona, ndinofara kuona vechidiki vane ruzivo rwezvenhau itsva uye vanotarisira kuishandisa nenzira dzekugadzira. Semuyenzaniso, mudiki wemuEgypt mugari wekuAmerica Jehane Noujaim, akaita chinyorwa chinoyevedza paAl-Jazeera chinonzi Control Room. Kune vamwe vechidiki [vagadziri vemafirimu], kwete muUnited States chete, asi ngatitii Ireland, vechidiki vaviri vagadziri vemafirimu veIrish vakaita runyoro rwakajeka pakuedza kupidigura hurumende yaHugo Chavez muVenezuela ichitsigirwa neUS, yakasarudzwa zvine gutsaruzhinji ndinofanira kutaura. Inonzi The Revolution haichaonekwi paTerevhizheni. Izvi zvese zvichangobva kuitika, kune akawanda mawebhusaiti paInternet akakosha zvakanyanya, kwandinowana ruzivo rwakawanda kubva. Unogona kudzidza pamusoro pezviri kuitika kuIndia maererano nekuramba madhamu makuru ari kuyedza kuisirwa neWorld Banks munyika iyoyo, Narmada Bachao Andolan - NBA - muenzaniso wakanaka kwazvo wesangano repasi iro riri munzvimbo iyi. pakati peIndia iyo ikozvino yawana kuoneka kwepasirese nekuda kwemafirimu emafirimu, nekuda kwezviitwa zveArundhati Roy nevamwe vazhinji, vatsigiri vanobva pasirese, vari kutsigira kuramba kwevanhu kurwisa kudyidzana kwepasi rose.
KT: Unogona here kutaura nezvekuti kuziva kwako zvematongerwo enyika kwakavapo sei?
DB: Zvakanaka ini handikwanise kuzvinongedza kune chero chinhu chimwe chete, rakanga risiri bhuku rimwechete, kana imwe ratidziro yandakaenda. Ini ndinofunga kuti kuziva kwangu zvematongerwo enyika kunobva kumhuri yangu uye isu tiri maArmenians. Nhoroondo, takagara panyika yedu, mune zvino yava kumaodzanyemba-kumabvazuva kweTurkey kwezviuru zvemakore. Muna 1915 pakava nekupondwa kukuru kwakaitwa nehurumende yeTurkey, takarasikirwa nechinhu chiri chose, takadzurwa, dzimba dzedu dzakasiiwa, mapurazi edu, zvikoro zvedu zvoufundisi, maraibhurari edu, machechi edu, tsika dzedu dzetsika, takaparadzaniswa zvachose nazvo, uye kungokandwa. Kumhuri yangu amai vangu vakafirwa nevakawanda vemba yavo takarasikirwa nezvose vakazviwana vabva kuNew York vabva kune dzimwe nyika, baba vangu vaitenga girosa, ndini ndakarerwa naamai, ndaiva nevamwe vanin'ina vatatu vaiva vana. vedu, vakaderera-pakati vekirasi. Ndaigara ndichida kuziva kuti sei izvozvo zvakaitika, uye mhuri yangu vaiva vanhuwo zvavo, vaibva kumusha, vakanga vasina kuoma musoro, vakanga vasina kudzidza, vasingazivi zvakaitika kwavari. Rimwe zuva kwakaitika dutu, kwakava nechamupupuri, uye vakazviwana vabuda mumba mavo. Izvo hazvina kundigutsa semwana. Ndinogara ndichibvunza mibvunzo: sei maTurkey akaita izvi? Chii chavabata? Zvikonzero zvipi? Ndaida kuziva, uye handina kukwanisa kuwana chero tsananguro. Uye saka ndakatanga kudzidza, ndakatanga kuverenga zvese zvandaigona kuwana maoko angu. Ini ndakanyanya kuzvidzidza, ndisati ndapedza chikoro chesekondari muNew York, ndaivenga chikoro, ndaitamba hooky nguva zhinji, ndaienda kumabhaisikopo pane kuenda kuchikoro, ndaitamba mitambo neshamwari dzangu, taisazomboenda kuchikoro. Ndakakwanisa kuenda kukoreji kwegore rimwe chete, rudzi rumwe chete rwechinhu, ndakafinhwa, handina kuenda kumakirasi, uye ipapo ndakarega. Saka ini ndakanyanya kuzvidzidza, izvo zvandinofunga kuti panguva ino zvaive zvakakosha, nekuti handina kuenda kuburikidza nenhepfenyuro dzenhema, handina kuenda kuburikidza nekudzidziswa kwepamutemo, handina kuwana dzidzo yakakodzera, ini. akawana dzidzo isina kufanira zvikuru. Nerudzi rwebasa randiri kuita, midhiya nekugadzira yakazvimirira imwe midhiya, ndinofunga kuti inzira inonzwisisika uye inobatsira yekuvandudza pfungwa dzako, nekuti ini ndanga ndisiri kuyedza kuve, semuenzaniso, biochemist kana chiremba wemazino, uko. Ndaida kudzidziswa kwehunyanzvi chaihwo. Ndiri kuita basa nemafungiro, uye basa iri rinongoda njere, pfungwa dzekuongorora, uye chido chekusatya, kupokana, kubvunza mibvunzo, uye kusave nechokwadi, saka kana vanhu vane simba vachitaura chimwe chinhu iwe unotora zvose ne tsanga yemunyu. Sei vachidaro? Zvido zvaani zviri kuitwa? Zvido zvaani zvisiri kuitwa? Ndiani anobatsirwa nepolicy iyi? Ini ndinofunga nhoroondo yangu semwana wevapoteri, akauya kuUnited States asina chinhu, aisaziva chaizvo zvakaitika kwavari, uye nekubvunzurudza nhoroondo iyoyo, kuwana zvakaitika, uyezve kufamba kwangu kwakavhura maziso angu. ndokundimutsa. Ndakava nerombo rakanaka rekugara muAsia kweanoda kusvika makore mashanu, izvo zvaive zvakaita sedzidzo yangu. Ndakagara makore mashanu iwayo nguva zhinji muIndia, muDelhi, kwandakawana mukana wekudzidza nevaimbi vane hunyanzvi, sitar players. Ndakasangana neimwe yenziyo dzakaoma kunzwisisa zvikuru pasi rose. Izvi zvakandibatsira mune zvematongerwo enyika zvakare, nekuti zvakadzidzisa pfungwa dzangu, zvakandiranga, kufunga nenzira yemaitiro, nenzira yenguva. Kufumurwa kune masters zvakandikurudzirawo kuti ndibudirire. Ndinogara ndichitaura izvi, pane chirevo muchiHindi: kana ukaedza nekuita zvinhu zvakawanda panguva imwe chete hapana chaungaita zvakanaka, asi kana ukaita chinhu chimwe nemazvo unogona kuita zvinhu zvakawanda gare gare. Mutsumo uyu mune hungwaru hwakawanda. Uye ndakaratidzwawo nhetembo, nhetembo dzeUrdu, dzakanaka kwazvo, imwe yetsika huru dzekunyora munyika. Ndakanga ndiri mutsika yekuti vanhu vaidzokorora macouplets kana maghuzal ese – nhetembo dzerudo– naGhalib, Mir Taqi Mir, Momin, Iqbal, Faiz Ahmed Faiz, Shamim Jaipuri, nevamwe. Izvi zvakandisimudzira, nenzira yakanaka kwazvo. Kana iwe uri pedyo nekugona unoisa mukati zvimwe zvezvinhu izvozvo. Icho chinhu chinokurudzira zvikuru. Kunyangwe iwe uri muvezi, uye wakadzidza kuveza kubva kune ustad – shasha – wakagadzira simba rakati, imwe nhanho yehushasha yaunokwanisa kuchinjisa icho kuita zvimwe zvinhu. Iwe unogona kunge uri pedyo nevabiki vatenzi, vanhu vanoziva kugadzira yakanyanya kunaka cuisine, izvi zvinokubatsira iwe kukura mune dzimwe nzira.
KT: Zvainakidza kutaura newe Ustad David Barsamian.
DB: (David anoseka) Ndatenda, Kasim. Bhot bhot shukria apka.
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