Kuratidzira kwevadzidzi vachidaidzira kuti yunivhesiti ibviswe kubva kuIsrael uye indasitiri yezvombo yeUS yakazunungusa makampasi kubva kumahombekombe kuenda kumahombekombe. Kuratidzira kusina mhirizhonga, uko kwave kunzi "antisemitic" nekuda kwekushoropodza kwavo Israeri, kwakasangana nekudzvanyirirwa kwemapurisa sezvo vatungamiriri veyunivhesiti vachityisidzira kurangwa uye kusungwa. NeChitatu, mauto emuno neehurumende akasunga nechisimba vanhu vakawanda paYunivhesiti yeTexas kuAustin. Zvichakadaro, mutauriri wedare reRepublican House, VaMike Johnson, vakashanyira Columbia University muNew York City, nzvimbo inochengeterwa vadzidzi vane mukurumbira uye mumwe wevakatanga kusangana nemapurisa, uko vakadaidza mutungamiri weyunivhesiti, Minouche Shafik, kuti asiye basa. Tinonzwa kubva kuvadzidzi vaviri vechiJudha vachiratidzira muzvikoro zvavo. Joshua Sklar, mudzidzi akapedza kudzidza paYunivhesiti yeTexas kuAustin uye murongi neJewish Voice of Peace Austin, anoti kushushikana pamusoro pekampasi antisemitism ndeyekunyepedzera, uye kuti, kutaura zvazviri, "Vanhu vari kunangwa vadzidzi vechiMuslim, vadzidzi vechiArab. , uye kunyanya vadzidzi vokuPalestine.โ Sklar naSarah King, nhengo yeColumbia University Apartheid Divest vakasungwa pamusasa weGaza Solidarity Encampment, vanotiwo chikamu chikuru chevaratidziri ndevemaJuda anopikisa Zionist vane hanya nezvekuchengetedzwa kwavo kubva mukudzvinyirirwa nehurumende. "Kutyisidzirwa kuri kuuya kubva kuColumbia University, iyo yakaisa mapurisa kumazana evadzidzi vayo vanochengeterwa," anodaro King.
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AMY GOODMAN: Ichi chi Dememocracy Zvino!, democracynow.org. Ini ndiri Amy Goodman, naNermeen Shaikh.
NERMEEN SHAIKH: Kuratidzira vachipokana nekurwiswa kweIsrael paGaza kwazunungusa makampasi kubva kumahombekombe kuenda kumahombekombe svondo rapfuura pakati pekupokana kuri kuita mapurisa. PaYunivhesiti yeTexas muAustin, vakuru vechikoro vakadana mapurisa omunzvimbomo neehurumende, kubatanidza vamwe vakanga vakatasva bhiza, avo vakaputsa nechisimba musasa wevadzidzi pachikoro. Vanhu vanosvika makumi mashanu vakasungwa, kusanganisira mutori wenhau mumwe chete. Vamwe vadzidzisi vepa UT Austin vari kuramwa mabasa nhasi vachinyunyuta nechisimba chaitwa nemapurisa.
Zvichakadaro, Gaza Solidarity Encampment paColumbia University inoenderera mberi svondo mushure mekunge vadzidzi vanodarika zana vasungwa mukuedza kwakakundikana nevakuru veyunivhesiti kubvisa kuratidzira uku. Mutungamiri weYunivhesiti Minouche Shafik vakataura neChipiri - vakatara neChipiri zuva rekupedzisira pakati pehusiku kuti vasvike pachibvumirano chekubvisa musasa, asi chikoro chakawedzera nhaurirano kwemamwe maawa makumi mana nemasere. Pakushanya kumusasa weChitatu, Mutauriri weImba Mike Johnson akadana Shafik kuti asiye basa.
MUTAURIRI MIKE JOHNSON: Ndiri pano nhasi ndichibatana nevamwe vangu mukudaidza Mutungamiri Shafik kuti vasiye basa kana vasingakwanisi kuunza runyararo mumhirizhonga iyi nekukasika. Semutauriri weImba, ndiri kuzvipira nhasi kuti Kongiresi haizonyarara sezvo vadzidzi vechiJudha vari kutarisirwa kutiza kuti vaponese hupenyu hwavo uye vagare pamba kubva kumakirasi avo, vachihwanda nekutya.
AMY GOODMAN: Kune zvimwe, takabatanidzwa muNew York naSarah King, nhengo yeColumbia University Apartheid Divest. Iye muJudha, mumwe wevadzidzi vakasungwa pamusasa svondo rapfuura uyo zvino akamiswa. Takabatanidzwawo naJoshua Sklar, mudzidzi akapedza kudzidza paYunivhesiti yeTexas Austin, nhengo yeJewish Voice for Peace Austin, anga ari pakuratidzira neChitatu.
Tinokugamuchirai mose Dememocracy Zvino! Josh, pakanga paine vanopfuura makumi mashanu vakasungwa kuUT Austin. Kana ukakwanisa kupindura mutauriri weImba, ndiani ari kuti misasa iyi yakatenderedza nyika ndeye antisemitic uye pro-Hamas?
JOSHUA SKLAR: Hazvina musoro zvachose. Ndakanga ndiri ikoko neboka ravadzidzi vechiJudha, uye takagamuchirwa noushamwari zvikuru. Kwaitova nevaJudha vechiZioni ikoko, uye vakanga vasinganetswi zvachose. Kutaura zvazviri, ndingati pamwe vakanzwa vakachengeteka kudarika ruzhinji rwevaratidziri.
NERMEEN SHAIKH: Sarah King, kana iwe uchikwanisa kutsanangura zviri kuitika paColumbia University uye yako pachako chinzvimbo? Iwe wakamiswa basa?
SARA MAMBO: Hongu, ini ndaive mumwe wevadzidzi vanopfuura zana vakasungwa sechikamu chekuratidzira murunyararo muGaza Solidarity Encampment, uye ndiri mumwe wemudzidzi akamiswa basa, saka ini handibvumidzwe kuvepo. kambasi. Uye ndinofanira kutaura kuti ndizvo - musasa pachawo wakanaka kwazvo. Yakanga iri nzvimbo chaiyo yekupemberera zvitendero zvakasiyana uye kubatana, mukutsigira vanhu veGaza, avo vari pamazuva anopfuura mazana maviri ekuuraya rudzi. Asi, iwe unoziva, kutyisidzira kuri kubva kuColumbia University, iyo yakatumira mapurisa kumazana evadzidzi vayo vakaronzeswa kuitarisira.
AMY GOODMAN: Uye unogona kutaura here, Sarah, nezve zvakaitika, kuti wakamitiswa sei uye nekurapwa kwako? Ndanga ndichitaura nevanoverengeka Columbia uye Barnard vadzidzi vakati kuti vamwe vavo vakapiwa maminitsi 15 kubuda dorm yavo, uye zvokudya kadhi yenyu kanzura, sezvo uri kurambidzwa kubva kembasi, uyewo.
SARA MAMBO: Hongu, ndizvozvo chaizvo. Ini ndiri mumwe wevane rombo rakanaka, nekuti ndinogara kunze kwecampus. Asi vadzidzi vazhinji vanogara muColumbia dzimba, uye saka vakadzingwa mudzimba dzavo kana kuvharirwa kunze kwedzimba dzavo, pamwe zvisiri pamutemo muzviitiko zvakawanda. Tiri kutarisa mazviri. Uye vakatadza kuwana zvokudya zvavo zvenguva dzose. Ndaive ne undergraduate uyo ane mari shoma uye aigara neni, nekuti akadzingwa pasina chiziviso uye akashaya mukana wekudya kwake.
Uye zvine chekuita nemashandisiro anoita Columbia kutyisidzira kwe - pakutanga kwaingova - "chaizvo," quote-unquote - kutyisidzira kwedzimba, kutyisidzira kwekurasikirwa nechikafu kuyedza - iwe unoziva, sechipo chekutora vadzidzi. mugwara rezvematongerwo enyika rakanakira homwe yayo, mari yekudyara. Uye zvino vari kutyisidzira kuisa National Guard pamusoro pedu, kuisa pangozi imwe Jackson State, imwe Kent State, uko vadzidzi vakaurayiwa nokuti National Guard yakaiswa pavadzidzi. Uye vakagadzirira kuisa pangozi kutyisidzira kwechisimba pamaoko avo nekuti isu hatisi, munoziva, zvinoenderana nezvakanakira bhodhi ravo rematirastii kana mapotifolio avo.
NERMEEN SHAIKH: Uye, Sarah, ko nezvemhinduro yako kuna Mike Johnson akokwa kuzotaura paColumbia University pacampus nezuro?
SARA MAMBO: Ehe. Ndinoreva, kutanga, ndinofunga zvinonyadzisa kuti akabvumirwa ikoko. Sezvineiwo, ini pachangu handibvumidzwe pacampus. Ini, munoziva, mumwe wevadzidzi vane tarenda uye vanovimbisa vane ramangwana rakajeka vakarambidzwa kubva kucampus, asi Mike Johnson, anove akavhurika rusaruraganda uye chena supremacist, pamwe nevanhu vakaita saGavin McInnes, mukuru weProud Boys. , vakatambirwa pacampus nezuro.
Uye kwandiri, izvo zvinonyatso taura nyaya yezviri kuitika pano, izvo zvekuti, munoziva, vadzidzi vanorwira rusununguko rwePalestine chikamu chemubatanidzwa wemarudzi - vadzidzi vazhinji vechiJudha, vadzidzi vechiMuslim, Vatema, Brown, vadzidzi vechiArab - kushanda pamwe chete nokuda kwechikonzero cherusununguko, kune rimwe divi, uyezve, kune rimwe divi, mune vezvematongerwo enyika, semutauriri weImba, uyo, unoziva, achatora chikonzero chipi nechipi chavanogona kuwana kuti vauye mushure mekubatana kwezvitendero zvakadaro, mubatanidzwa wemarudzi akawanda uchirwira rusununguko. Uye iko zvino zvinoitika kuti zviri pasi pechiratidziro chechimwe chinhu chakadai seantisemitism. Asi, munoziva, hapana chinobatsira pazviri zvachose. Uye ndinofunga ani nani akauya kumusasa akaona, mhosva yakaipisisa iyo vadzidzi vechiJudha pamusasa vari kutarisana nayo inobva kuColumbia University. Isu takarambidzwa zvisina kufanira neColumbia nekuti vazhinji vedu tiri chikamu cheGaza Solidarity Encampment tichiedza kudzivirira kuuraya rudzi muzita redu.
AMY GOODMAN: Uye, Joshua Sklar, akanyora a Piece in Iyo Austin Chronicle. โTinoda kugumisa kurwa zvino,โ wakadanwa kudaro, musoro muduku, โmhirizhonga yeAnti-Palestine haisi 'kune rumwe rutivi rwepasi.' Iri muno muAustin zvakare. " Kana muchigona kutaura nezvazvo uye mabatirwo akaitwa varatidziri nezuro? Maive nemapurisa anodzivirira mhirizhonga akatasva bhiza?
JOSHUA SKLAR: Ehe. Ndinofunga kuti kwave nenganonyorwa iyi yekuti kwave kuzere antisemitism. Uye izvi hazvisizvo chete. Vanhu vari kunangwa vadzidzi vechiMuslim, vadzidzi vechiArab, uye kunyanya vadzidzi vekuPalestine. Mapurisa akapinda akatasva bhiza, uye akarwisa varatidziri. Ndakanzwa kubva kune vamwe vadzidzi kuti mukati mechikamu chekutanga chekuratidzira, vaive vakananga vanhu vaBrown nevakadzi. Ini pachangu ndakanga ndisipo, asi izvi ndizvo zvandakanzwa.
AMY GOODMAN: Rega ndibvunze Sarah King mubvunzo wekupedzisira. Tine masekonzi gumi. Uye ndiko kuti, 10-awa yekuwedzera inoenda 'kusvika manheru ano. Ndezvipi zvirongwa? Masekonzi gumi, Sarah.
SARA MAMBO: Iwe unoziva, ndinofunga kuti vazhinji vevanhu pamusasa vakatobvuma kusungwa, uye havafambi kunze kwekunge vafambiswa nechisimba kana kusvika Columbia yabvuma kune zvatinoda, izvo ndezvekubvisa, kuregererwa uye kubuda pachena kwemari.
AMY GOODMAN: Tinoda kukutendai mose nekuva nesu, Sarah King, Columbia University Apartheid Divest, naJoshua Sklar kuUT Austin. Ini ndiri Amy Goodman, naNermeen Shaikh.
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