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Vhiki rino mutsva mukuru kudzidza yakaratidza kunyunguduka kweaizi yeGreenland kungango wedzera chinhambwe chekukwira kwegungwa repasi rose mukupera kwezana ramakore - izvo zvakapetwa kaviri sezvakambotaurwa. Kunyora mujenari Mamiriro ekunze kuchinja kwemhepo, vatsvakurudzi vakawana kuti kunyange dai nyika yaizomisa kubudiswa kwegasi rinopisa mhepo nhasi, mwero wakakwirira wecarbon dioxide womuchadenga wakatoparadza matani 120 tiririyoni echando cheGreenland kuti anyunguduke. Pasina chiito chekukurumidzira kuderedza kukuvadzwa, vaongorori vanoyambira, kukwira kwegungwa kunogona kunge kwakakwira zvakanyanya.
Kune zvimwe, takabatanidzwa nemumwe wevanyori vanyori vemushumo, David Bahr, nyanzvi yeglaciologist paInstitute of Arctic uye Alpine Research paYunivhesiti yeColorado, Boulder.
David, gamuchirai Dememocracy Zvino!
DAVID BAHR: Ndatenda.
AMY GOODMAN: Taura nezve zvawakawana uye inonzi zombie ice iyo iwe nevamwe vako makadzidza.
DAVID BAHR: Ehe, "zombie" ishoko rakanaka. Zvatakawana ndezvekuti ice sheet reGreenland riri kuyedza kupora kubva mukukuvara kwatakaita. Saka hatisi kana kutaura nezvekuchinja kwemamiriro ekunze mune ramangwana. Uku kukwira kwetsoka kwegungwa kunokonzerwa nekukuvadzwa kwatakaita kare. Uye kuti igadzirise kukuvara uku, ice sheet iri kuyedza kudzika uye kugadzirisa pairi, uye izvi zviri kusiya mazaya echando ari mumicheto yeaizi akadzimwa kubva kune imwe ice sheet. Ichando chakafa. Yakatozvipira kumakungwa. Ndosaka tichiidaidza kuti "zombie ice." Yakaiswa kumakungwa uye nekukwira kwegungwa, uye hapana chatinogona kuita nezvazvo izvozvi. Tariro yedu yakanaka ndeyekuedza kugadzirira ramangwana uye edza kusaita kuti zviwedzere.
NERMEEN SHAIKH: Uye, David, tsanangura chikonzero nei Greenland ichikosha kwazvo.
DAVID BAHR: Eya, kune akati wandei manyuko ekukwira kwegungwa. Chimwe chisingakosheswi kuwedzera kwekupisa kwemakungwa. Sezvatinodziya mhepo, tinodziya mvura, uye inowedzera, sezvakangoita zvinhu zvakawanda. Chechipiri pakukura kwechikonzero chekukwira kwemvura yegungwa ikozvino Greenland. Aimbove madiki echando. Uye ne“vadiki,” tinoreva avo vari muAlps, muHimalayas, muAlaska. Asi Greenland iri kukunda izvozvo. Idzo nzimbe dzomumugodhi wemarasha dzainge dziri mazaya echando maduku haachisiri mukuru sezvakaita Greenland. Uye Greenland ikozvino iri kutishamisa chaizvo nekuti yakawanda sei mvura ichabatsira mukukwira kwegungwa.
NERMEEN SHAIKH: Uye, David, chii chatinogona kuwedzera, kana paine, kubva pane izvo chidzidzo ichi chinowanikwa paGreenland kune mamwe mazaya echando, mazaya echando kune imwe nzvimbo munyika? Ndinoreva, izvozvi tiri kuona mafashama aya anoparadza, asina kumboitika muPakistan - Pakistan, hongu, kumusha kune nhamba huru yemazaya echando munyika.
DAVID BAHR: Rudyi. Zvakanaka, munoziva, chimwe nechimwe chezvidzidzo izvi chinoratidza kuti zvinhu zvatonyanya kuipa kupfuura zvataitarisira. Antarctica izvozvi chiratidzo chikuru chemubvunzo. Hatidi kuti zvinyanye kuipa. Saka, mubvunzo ndewokuti: Zvakanaka, zvichadaro? Uye chidzidzo chakafanana chinofanira kuitwa ipapo. Mazaya echando maduku ari kunyunguduka pamwero usina kumboitika uye acharamba ari chinhu chikuru mukukwira kwemvura yegungwa. Munoziva, isu tinofanirwa kufunga nezve shanduko yemamiriro ekunze ichiri kuuya. Uye kana tikasadzikisira izvozvo, tiri kutarisira kusvika pamamita maviri nehafu emwero wegungwa kubva kuGreenland, tisati tambofunga nezvemamwe masosi aya.
AMY GOODMAN: NeChipiri, Munyori Mukuru weUnited Nations, VaAntónio Guterres, vakayambira kuti pasi rose riri kufamba richienda kukuparadzwa kwenyika. Vakataura izvi muchikumbiro chekuti nyika dzibatsire Pakistan kubva mumafashama ayo akasiya chikamu chimwe muzvitatu chenyika pasi pemvura, auraya vanhu vanopfuura chiuru uye akatamisa mamirioni makumi matatu nematatu.
MUNYORI MUKURU ANTÓNIO GUTERRES: Hurumende yePakistan yakakumbira rubatsiro kubva kune dzimwe nyika. Ngatishandei pamwechete kuti tipindure nekukasika uye nekubatana kudambudziko guru iri. Tose ngatisimuke mukubatana uye nerutsigiro kuvanhu vePakistan munguva yavo yekushaiwa. Ngatiregei kurara takananga kukuparadzwa kwenyika yedu nekuchinja kwemamiriro ekunze. Nhasi iPakistan. Mangwana ingava nyika yako.
AMY GOODMAN: Saka, David Bahr, ndiye munyori mukuru weUN. Tinoona kutyisa kuri kuitika muPakistan. Tinoona kupisa kwedenga muUnited States, kupisa-kuputsa-kupisa muCalifornia, moto, zvakare. Une Jackson, Mississippi, akati wandei nyaya dzinouya pamwechete, kubva kurudzi kuenda kumamiriro ekunze. Ita kubatana, se glaciologist, sesaenzi yekuchinja kwemamiriro ekunze, kune yako ripoti, nhau yose yengwavaira yemamiriro okunze iye zvino, uye chii chingaitwa kudzosera shure zvakaitika kusvika zvino.
DAVID BAHR: Ehe. Kudzosera kwakaoma, asi isu tinogona kudzikisira. Panguva ino, tazvipira kune imwe chiyero chekukuvadza. Ticharamba tichiona moto. Ticharamba tichiona mafashamu. Ticharamba tichiona kukwira kwegungwa kwatiri kutarisira kubva kuGreenland. Asi nekukasira kwatinokwanisa kusvika ku zero, tose tinova nani. Iwe unoziva, isu tiri kutarisira dambudziko mafashama, dutu remhepo, kurasikirwa kwezvivakwa pamhenderekedzo yegungwa, asi hazvifanirwe kuwedzera zvakanyanya. Munoziva, mumakore zana anotevera, Zvakanaka, takazvipira kune imwe tsoka yekukwira kwegungwa uye kukuvara kwatinotarisira kubva ipapo. Asi hapana chikonzero chekuti tiwedzere kuipa. Kana tikaita nhasi uye tikatanga kudzikisa kuburitsa kabhoni yedu nenzira yakakomba, saka tinogona kudzivirira iyi yakaipisisa mamiriro emakumbo akawanda ekukwira kwegungwa.
AMY GOODMAN: David Bahr, chii chakanyanya kukuvhundutsa? Ndinoreva kuti, wanga uchitarisa mazaya echando kwenguva yakareba. Uye zvakare, chirevo chako chakafanana nekaviri kufanotaura -
DAVID BAHR: Hongu.
AMY GOODMAN: - yeIPCC yakahwina Nobel Peace Prize. Sangano reIntergovernmental Panel on Climate Change rakafungidzira mainji maviri kusvika mashanu ekusimuka kwegungwa kubva pakunyungudika kwechando muGreenland. Sei kusvetuka kukuru uku?
DAVID BAHR: Rudyi. Zvakanaka, iwe unoziva, ini ndakabatanidzwa mune 2013 IPCC mushumo. Uye saka, chakandibaya mwoyo ingori ukuru hwekurasikirwa kwatiri kutarisira, izvo zvatakatozvipira kwazviri. Hapana aive nechekuita netsvagiridzo iyi aitarisira kuti zvichapetwa zvataifunga kare. Ndizvo zvinongokatyamadza chaizvo. Uye zvino, kana tikatarisa kukuvara kweramangwana, pfungwa yekuti tinogona kukwira kusvika masendimita makumi matatu emvura yakanyungudika kubva kuGreenland inongovhundutsa.
AMY GOODMAN: Uye iwe unogona kutaura nezve nzira yawakashandisa mukushuma iyi yakakusvitsa kune izvi?
DAVID BAHR: Ehe. Mishumo yakawanda inobatanidzwa nekukwira kwegungwa kubva kuGreenland inosanganisira mhando dzemakomputa. Muchiitiko chedu, takashandisa kucherechedza, mabhoti chaiwo pasi. Paive nevazhinji vanyori vaibatanidzwa. Ndakagadzira imwe fizikisi yataishandisa kubaya data riya ratakatora kubva muchando chaimo. Uye zvinoratidza kuti mutsetse wechando, mutsara unoparadzanisa pakati pezvinonyunguduka gore negore uye izvo zvinounganidza sinou gore negore, zviri kuramba zvichikwira kumusoro. Uye nekutarisa kuti mutsetse wechando uri kufamba sei kumusoro, tinogona kuona kuti yakawanda sei iyo ice ingori zombie ice, iyo ice ine tsoka imwe muguva uye yakazvipira kusvika pagungwa.
AMY GOODMAN: Mhinduro?
DAVID BAHR: Zvakanaka, ndinofunga tese tinoziva mhinduro. Isu tinofanirwa kudzoka pasi kune net zero. Uye izvozvo zvinoda chiito chakakomba chehurumende. Zvinofadza kuti tese tinopinda semunhu mumwe nemumwe, asi pasina kushanda nesimba kwehurumende dzepasirese, hatisi kuzofambira mberi zvatinofanira kuita.
AMY GOODMAN: David Bahr, ndinoda kukutendai nekuva nesu, nyanzvi yeglaciologist paInstitute of Arctic uye Alpine Research paYunivhesiti yeColorado, Boulder, munyori pamwe chete wezvinyorwa zvitsva. ripoti rakabudiswa mumagazini Mamiriro ekunze kuchinja kwemhepo yakanzi "Greenland ice sheet disequilibrium uye yakazvipira kusimuka kwegungwa." Garai nesu.
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