AMY GOODMAN: Kuti uwane kumwe kuongorora pamusangano weG20 mukati
Tinokugamuchirai Dememocracy Zvino!
DAVID HARVEY: Ndatenda.
AMY GOODMAN: Iwe unofunga kuti chii-chii chiri kutaurwa nevatungamiriri veG20? Uye chii chinofanira kuitwa munyika ino?
DAVID HARVEY: Ini ndinofunga Tony Benn aive akanyatso muchikamu chekutanga, uye zvinofadza zvikuru kuva pano mushure make. Ndaigara ndichiyemura zvake.
Zvavari kuyedza kuita kudzoreredza system imwechete. Uye ini ndinofunga uku kushushikana kwakaungana, uye pane zvakawanda zvekupokana pane izvo, sekunge zvakadaro. Asi nharo huru yavari kuita ndeiyi, tinganyatso gadzirisa sei rudzi rwakafanana rwecapitalism yataive nayo uye yatave nayo mumakore makumi matatu apfuura mune yakadzora zvishoma, ine mutsa, asi usingapokane izvo zvakakosha? Uye ndinofunga yave nguva yekuti tipokane zvakakoshera.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndezvipi izvo zvinokosha?
DAVID HARVEY: Izvo zvakakosha zvine chekuita nekuwedzera kunoshamisa kwekubatanidzwa, kana uchida, kwesimba rekirasi. Ndinoreva, kubvira kuma1970, takaona kuwedzera kukuru mukusaenzana, kwete munyika muno chete, asi pasi rose. Uye chaizvoizvo, pfuma yenyika yave ichiunganidzwa kakawanda zvikuru mumaoko mashoma. Uye ndinofunga kana iwe uchitarisa maitiro ezvirongwa zvekubhadhara mari, zvirongwa zvekusimudzira uye nezvimwe zvese, zvazvinonyatsoita ndezvekuti, kuyedza kuchengetedza midziyo iyoyo ichiri kuita kuti vamwe vedu vabhadhare. Uye saka, ndinofunga yave nguva yekuti timire izvo toita seti, zvakanaka, chaizvo, isu tinofanirwa kunge tichiwana zvakawanda zvezvinhu uye, munoziva, kuenzana kukuru.
AMY GOODMAN: Uye taizowana sei zvimwe zvezvinhu? Paizova nekuenzana kukuru sei?
DAVID HARVEY: Ini ndinofunga, semuenzaniso, chimiro chebhailout yemabhangi uye rudzi rwekugadzirisa zvakare kuri kuitika, kutaura zvazviri, nezve kuchengetedza mabhangi nekuchengetedza mabhangi, uku ichiinamatira kuvanhu. Ndinoreva kuti isu ndisu tichazofanira kubhadhara izvi nekufamba kwenguva. Saka chandiri kuita nharo inyaya yezvematongerwo enyika kuziva kuti zviri kuitika.
Muchokwadi, zvave zvichiitika mumakore makumi matatu apfuura, nhanho nhanho. Yakave yakafukidzwa mumhando iyi yekutaura nezve rusununguko rwemunhu uye rusununguko rwemisika nemhando dzese dzezvinhu. Asi ukatarisa kumashure, uchaona kuti harisi rekutanga dambudziko remari ratakava naro. Takava nevakawanda vavo mumakore makumi matatu apfuura, uye vese vane hunhu hwakafanana. Takanga tine dambudziko redu rekuchengetedza nechikwereti kumashure kuma1980s. Kwakanga kune dambudziko rechikwereti cheMexico kumashure muna 1982, apo, chaizvoizvo,
AMY GOODMAN: Sei mabhanga apinda
DAVID HARVEY: Nokuti vakanga vakweretesa mari
AMY GOODMAN: Dai wanga uri Timothy Geithner, dai wanga uri Munyori wePfumaโ
DAVID HARVEY: Hongu, dai ndaiva Secretary of Treasury.
AMY GOODMAN: - chii chaizvo chaungave uchiitei?
DAVID HARVEY: Oo, ndaizotora mari yakawanda iyoyo, uye ndaizoiisa mune imwe mhando yesangano renyika rekuvaka patsva. Uye ndaizoti, "Tarisa, basa rako rekutanga nderekutarisira dambudziko rekuvhara uye vanhu vakafungirwa. Saka endai mumaguta akadai
AMY GOODMAN: Waizozviita sei?
DAVID HARVEY: Zvakanaka, ini ndinofunga imwe yenzira dzaungaite iyi ndeyekutanga kutenga ese edzimba dzave kuda kufungirwa wodziisa mune imwe mhando, handizive, mubatanidzwa wedzimba dzekanzuru kana imwe fomu remubatanidzwa. zverudzi irworwo, wobva wabvumira vanhu kuti varambe vari mudzimba idzodzo, kunyangwe vasisiri varidzi. Saka kodzero dzevaridzi dzaizochinja.
Ndinoreva, isu tine ngano munyika ino kuti muridzi wemba ivhangeri, sokunge zvakadaro. Asi kune vanhu vazhinji, kuva neimba haisi pfungwa yakanaka. Uye ini ndinofunga, chaizvo, harisi zano rakanaka mune zvese.
AMY GOODMAN: Sei?
DAVID HARVEY: Nezvikonzero zviviri. Imwe ndeyekuti, zvinokuita kuti iwe unyatso kutambudzika kana iwe uri muridzi wemba ane chikwereti chakakura. Uye chaizvo, mutemo wekutanga wainakidza, gakava rakatenderedza kumashure kuma1930s, pazvakaita sekuti varidzi vemba vane zvikwereti havarohwe, uye nekuti - iwe unoziva, unofanirwa kubhadhara yako. mortgage. Uye saka, izvi zvinova, sokunge, guyo pamutsipa wako. Uye izvo zvinobva zvaita kuti iwe uve panjodzi yekushanduka-shanduka mumusika sezvatiri kuona izvozvi, kunyanya kana uine mareti akasiyana siyana, zvinhu zverudzi irworwo, uye unogona kubatwa zviri nyore. Saka, kutaura zvazviri, zvatakaona mumusika wedzimba kupambwa kukuru kwemidziyo yevamwe vanhu vanotambura zvakanyanya munyika. Ndinoreva, uku kwave kurasikirwa kukuru kwehupfumi hweasset kune huwandu hweAfrica America hwakambovapo.
AMY GOODMAN: Uye mhinduro yevamwe yekuti, saka, havafanirwe kunge vakatenga dzimba kutanga, nekuti vaisazvikwanisa?
DAVID HARVEY: Zvakanaka, vamwe vavo, saka ndizvozvo, munoziva, asi iyi inyaya inozivikanwa. Mafungu ekutanga ekuvharirwa aive munharaunda dzevarombo, veAfrica America, vanobva kune dzimwe nyika uye kazhinji kazhinji vakadzi vemhuri vasina varume. Uye, hongu, vangangove vasingafanire kunge vari varidzi vemba. Asi kune rumwe rutivi, vakanga vachitora ngozi. Asi ndiani akatora njodzi huru muhupfumi uhu, dai asiri mabhanga? Saka, neimwe nzira, vari kuitwa kuti vabhadhare, nepo vemabhanga vachiri kufamba nemari yakawanda zvikuru.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndechipi chinobatana pakati pegentrification uye mortgage crisis?
DAVID HARVEY: Iyo gentrification process iri muno mukati
Uye inonakidza. Mari inodzora zvese kusikwa kwedzimba, kugadzirwa kwedzimba, uyezve kushandiswa kwayo. Iwe unokweretesa mari kune vanogadzira. Vanopinda mukati ndokugadzirisa nharaunda. Munovakweretesa mari kuvanhu vanozoitora. Uye kunyangwe kana vasina-iwe unofanirwa kuwana iyo musika weiyo gentrification kana maitiro acho achienderera mberi. Uye saka, kubatana ikoko mune izvi, vashandi vezvemari vari kushanda kumativi ose emutambo uyu, kana uchida.
AMY GOODMAN: Unogona here kutaura zvauri kureva kuti โkodzero yegutaโ?
DAVID HARVEY: Zvandinoreva nekodzero yeguta ndezvekuti isu tine, ndinofunga, kudiwa chaiko izvozvi kuita sarudzo dzekuti guta richava sei uye kuti rinofanira kunge riri rei, kuti isu tigone kuve, kana uchida, chirongwa chakabatana pamusoro pekugadzirisa maguta-nyika yemadhorobha. Ndinoreva, muno muguta rino, zvine mutsindo, kodzero yeguta yakabatwa nameya neHofisi yeBudiriro nevagadziri uye vane mari. Vazhinji vedu hatinyatso taura zvakasimba. Ndinoreva, kune mhando yemasangano emunharaunda uye zvichingodaro. Saka ini ndinofunga kuti demokrasi yeguta, yekuita sarudzo yeguta, yakakosha. Uye ini ndinofunga tinoda kudzorera kodzero yeguta kune isu tose, kuitira kuti isu tose tigone kwete chete kuwana kune izvo zviripo muguta, asi zvakare kukwanisa kugadzirisa guta mune imwe mufananidzo, mune zvakasiyana. nzira, iyo inonyanya kururamisira mumagariro, inochengetedza zvakatipoteredza uye zvichingodaro.
AMY GOODMAN: Dambudziko razvino rinorevei kune ramangwana re capitalism, David Harvey?
DAVID HARVEY: Iwe unoziva, matambudziko akakosha zvakanyanya munhoroondo ye capitalism. Ndivo vandingadaidza rudzi rwevasina njere vehurongwa. Chii chinoitika ndechekuti capitalism inokura neimwe nzira, ine matambudziko chaiwo, yobva yapinda mudambudziko, uye inouya phoenix-yakafanana kubva mairi mune imwe fomu. Takapfuura nemudambudziko rakareba muma1970. Kwakanga kune dambudziko renguva refu muma1930. Saka dambudziko, saka, inguva yekugadzirisa zvakare izvo capitalism ichave pamusoro. Uye iko zvino, sezvandambotaura, masimba aripo ari pamusoro pekuedza kuvaka patsva chimiro chesimba chakagara chiripo kana kuchengetedza chimiro chesimba chakagara chiripo pasina kupindira mairi neimwe nzira.
Maonero andinoita izvozvi, zvisinei, tinogona kunge tiri mune imwe nyika yerudzi rwakasiyana. Zviise nenzira iyi. Capitalism munhoroondo yakakura nechikamu che2.5 percent chekukura kubva muna 1750. OK. Uye mumakore akanaka, iri kukura nezvikamu zvitatu kubva muzana. VaObama, rimwe zuva, vakati, โZvakanaka, mumakore mashoma, tichadzokera pakukura kwezvikamu zvitatu kubva muzana.โ Gordon Brown anoti, "Zvakanaka, hupfumi huchapeta kaviri mumakore mashoma anotevera." Zvino, apo capitalism yakaumbwa nezvose zvaiitika
Hupfumi hwese hwadzokera mukati, toti, 1750 yaive ingangoita mabhiriyoni zana nemakumi matatu nemashanu. Yaive $135 tiririyoni panguva yaunosvika muna 4. Yave $1950 trillion panguva yaunosvika 40. Yave $2000 trillion. Kana zvakapetwa kaviri mugore rinotevera, tiri kutaura nezve $ 56 trillion. Uye panosvika 100, iwe uchafanirwa kuwana matatu matatu emabasa, kana uchida, mikana ine pundutso yemari yekushandisa panguva iyoyo.
Zvino, pane miganhu, kana uchida, uye ndinofunga tiri kurova iwo miganhu kwezvakatipoteredza, magariro, zvematongerwo enyika. Uye ndinofunga yave nguva yatakatanga kunyatsofunga nezveimwe nzira. Mune mamwe mazwi, isu tinofanirwa kufunga nezve zero-kukura kwehupfumi.
AMY GOODMAN: Zvinorevei izvo?
DAVID HARVEY: Zvinoreva kuti pachinzvimbo chekukura nezvikamu zvitatu kubva muzana pagore, unongozvichengeta zvisingachinji.
AMY GOODMAN: Uye unoita sei izvozvo?
DAVID HARVEY: Uye izvo zvinoreva zvachose-zvinoreva kuti inofanirwa kunge isiri-capitalist, nekuti zvinoreva kuti hapazove nepurofiti yakapoteredza kuti chero munhu ave nayo. Mukuita, iwe uchafanirwa kuve nehupfumi husina purofiti. Uye maitirwo aunoita izvozvo, hongu, mubvunzo mukuru, mukuru. Handisiโhandina purani yayo. Asi ndinofunga kuti uyu ndiwo mumwe wemibvunzo yakakosha yatinofanira kunge tichifunga nezvayo izvozvi. Uye chinondishungurudza ndechekuti tiri kupinda mudambudziko iri izvozvi, uye hatisi kubvunza iwo mhando dzemibvunzo mikuru yatinofanira kunge tichibvunza.
AMY GOODMAN: Iwe unoita sei nekuratidzira kukuru kupokana, zvakanaka, chikamu chidiki diki chemari yekubhadharisa, iyo iri kuenda kuvatungamiriri, chokwadi chimwe chinhu chinogona kuzivikanwa nevanhu?
DAVID HARVEY: Zvakanaka, ndine-chaizvoizvo, ndakagumbuka pamusoro pekupokana kwese pamusoro peAIG. Ndinoreva, tiri kutaura nezve $165 miriyoni mumabhonasi kana 220? Muna Ndira wapfuura 2008, mabhonasi eWall Street pamwe chete akauya pamadhora 32 bhiriyoni. OK. Uye panguva iyoyo, mamiriyoni maviri evanhu akanga atorasikirwa nedzimba dzavo. Mufananidzo, mamiriyoni maviri evanhu akarasikirwa nedzimba dzavo; Wall Street inozvipa $32 bhiriyoni. Hapana akatsamwira izvozvo. Uye ndakashatirwa zvakanyanya pamusoro pazvo. Kwandiri zvaiita sokuti uku kwaiva kuba kwekirasi. Izvi zvakafanana nevanochengeta bhangi vanodzika mudura rengarava iri kunyura votora goridhe rose vokwira vokwira igwa rokununura upenyu vonyangarika vosiya vamwe vose vari mungarava iyi iri kunyura. Uye panguva iyoyo, ndaifunga kuti zvakanga zvisina kunaka. Uye iyo madhora mazana matatu nemaviri emadhora pachinzvimbo cheiyi madhora zana nemakumi matanhatu neshanu kana mazana maviri nemakumi matatu nemashanu emamiriyoni emadhora atiri kutaura nezvayo.
Mari iyoyo yakatopera. Ndinoreva, apo murume uyu akanyora ku New York Times, sokunge kuti, โHandisi kuzoโndichangopa zvanguโโachapa $740,000 XNUMX kana kuti chimwe chinhu. Uye akati, "Asi mhuri yangu haina kukanganisa." Asi kune vanhu vari kufa nenzara iye zvino munzvimbo dzakawanda dzenyika. Vana vari kufa nenzara nekuda kweizvi. Hapana chiri kuitika nezvazvo. Uye izvo zvinoratidzika kwandiri-
AMY GOODMAN: Saka musiyano wei pakati pegore rapfuura nerazvino?
DAVID HARVEY: Musiyano pakati pegore rapfuura uye zvino ndewekuti, chokwadi, chinhu chatonyanya kuipa. Ndinoreva, zvinhu zvine chepfu, kana uchida, zvinowedzera kuoneka. Uye isu takave, hongu, kuparadzwa kwemabhangi ekudyara, Lehman achiparara uye mamwe achibatanidza, zvichingodaro. Saka ini ndinofunga mutsauko izvozvi ndewekuti Wall Street iri kufanirwa kuzvigadzirisa zvachose.
Asi handifunge kuti tinofanira kuzvinyengerera kuti tifunge kuti hapana mari yakawanda โ vanhu vachiri kuita mari yakanaka paWall Street.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndiani?
DAVID HARVEY: Yangove yakabatanidzwa iye zvino, sokunge zvakadaro. Tine mabhanga makuru mana asara munyika muno. Uye inzvimbo huru yepakati uye kubatanidzwa kwesimba rekirasi.
AMY GOODMAN: Muzvinafundo Harvey, chii chinonzi neoliberalism?
DAVID HARVEY: Neoliberalism, kwandiri, yaive chirongwa chezvematongerwo enyika, chakaumbwa muma1970s. Uye chaive chirongwa chezvematongerwo enyika kuyedza kubatanidza nekuvaka patsva simba rekirasi. Uye yakazviita, kana iwe uchida, kuburikidza nerudzi rweseti yezvigadziriso nezve privatization, nezve misika yemahara, mutoro wega wega, kubviswa kwehurumende kubva kumagariro. Asi nyika haina kumbobuda muhupfumi. Ndinoreva kuti ingano. Nyika yanga ichibhadharisa vanhu kunze kwenguva yose. Chaizvoizvo, dambudziko rekuchengetedza nechikwereti, randambotaura.
Asi pfuti hombe padzingopinda mudambudziko, hurumende inodzibvisa. Uye izvi ndizvo zvatinodaidza kuti njodzi yehunhu, izvo chaizvo nekuti uri kubhadhara Wall Street nguva dzese, ipapo Wall Street ichatora njodzi huru. Uye ivo vakatora njodzi dzakakura kwazvo mumakore makumi matatu apfuura uye zvakare uye zvakare uye zvakare nekubatwa kunze. Uye pese pavanobatwa, nyika inopinda ichivaponesa. Ndiko kubatana, kana uchida, pakati penyika neWall Street. Ndiko kubatana kunofanira kuputswa.
AMY GOODMAN: Chii chaunoona sebasa remasocial movements?
DAVID HARVEY: Ini ndinofunga iko zvino inguva yekupererwa, mupfungwa yekuti kana tichizobuda mudambudziko iri mune chero nzira dzakasiyana, zvichave nekuda kwekuumbwa kwemasangano akasimba emagariro anoti zvakwana. Tinofanira kushandura nyika nenzira yakasiyana, yakasiyana.
Ikozvino, mafambiro emagariro erudzi urwu haaite chimiro nehusiku humwe. Vanotora nguva shoma. Ndinoreva kuti, zvinonakidza kana ukatarira shure. Muna 1929, kune kuparara kwemusika wemasheya. Mafambiro emagariro haana kutanga kutanga kufamba kusvika 1932, '33. Zvakatora anenge makore matatu. Parizvino, ndinofunga tiri mudambudziko repamutemo. Vari kuyedza kununura system sezvairi. Uye ndinofunga kuti vanhu vakawanda vari kutanga kutaura kuti iyi isiri yepamutemo hurongwa, uye naizvozvo tinofanira kufunga nezvekuita chimwe chinhu chakasiyana.
Kubva ipapo, zvichida kuuya, marudzi ose akasiyana-siyana emagariro evanhu. Tine sangano iri, rinova sangano idzva, rinonzi Right to the City movement. Zviri muno mukati
Mune dzimwe nyika, kwatove nemasangano makuru emagariro evanhu. Nyika iyi yasara zvishoma panzira iyoyo.
AMY GOODMAN: Uye chii chaungazivisa seaya mafambisirwo makuru ekumwe kumwe?
DAVID HARVEY: In
Uye saka, ndinofunga pane nguva chaiyo pano, patinofanirawo kufunga pamusoro pezvinhu izvi kuungana pasi rose, zvinova, chokwadi, kwakabva World Social Forum. Uye saka, kune nzira dzatingatanga nadzo kufunga nezvekubatana pakati penzvimbo dzakasiyana dzepasi.
AMY GOODMAN: Muzvinafundo Harvey, hondo inopinda sei mune izvi? US ichiri kutevera hondo muIraq, kunyange Mutungamiri Obama vachiti tichazoenda ikoko, asi kuwedzera hondo ikozvino muAfghanistan, kwete chete 17,000 mamwe mauto, uye imwe 4,000-yakaita 21,000-nhasi Pentagon ichikumbira imwe 10,000. mauto?
DAVID HARVEY: Zvakanaka, zvakanaka. Zvakanaka, zvinonakidza, pane zvikamu zviviri kune izvi. Kutanga, iwe unoziva, kubvira 1945, chaunodaidza kuti mauto-industrial complex, yanga iri mota yakakosha zvikuru mukusimudzira kweAmerica. Yave iri pakati peyatinoti mauto Keynesianism. Ndinoreva, ndiyo chikamu chimwe chete chaive chakatenderwa mari yekushomeka, uye yaive chikamu chimwe pasi peReagan chakawedzera zvakanyanya uye chisati chamboregererwa, kunyangwe kupera kweCold War. Saka pave nebasa rakakosha rehupfumi kune izvo mauto ari pamusoro.
Chechipiri ndechekuti, sezvatakaona mumakore mashoma apfuura, mitengo yezvinhu haina kugadzikana. Uye kuraira pamusoro pezvigadzirwa uye zviwanikwa zvinove zvakakosha. Saka, mukuona kwangu, kupindira kwakawanda muMiddle East nekumwe kwakavakirwa zvakajeka kutenderedza US kufarira kudzora kupihwa kwemafuta. Uye hazvisi izvo chete, asi zvakabatana zvakanyanya neizvozvo, zvekuti ipapo nharo dzinoitwa pamusoro, zvakanaka, isu tinofanirwa kubvisa mudzvanyiriri. Zvakanaka, kwave kune vadzvinyiriri vakawanda pasi rose iyo United States haina kumbocherechedza, nekuti haina kudzora mafuta. Uye saka, rudzi rwemuchina wehondo, kana uchida, uye michina yekuvhara inotanga kuve yakakosha zvakanyanya maererano nekuchengetedza kuwanikwa kwekambani kune zviwanikwa zvepasi uye, pane imwe nguva, zvakare kune zviwanikwa zvevashandi zvenyika, kwete. zviwanikwa chete.
AMY GOODMAN: Unozviona sei
DAVID HARVEY: Kwete, handisi kuona richiva iro guru rine simba rehupfumi. Ndinofunga kuti pane iyi National Intelligence Council report, yakabuda gore rapfuura. Zvakaita sokuti, chaizvoizvo, the
Izvo chaizvo hazvina kugadzikana uye zvinogona kunge zvine njodzi. Kana tichida chii
AMY GOODMAN: Unorevei, โmapokaโ?
DAVID HARVEY: Panguva iyoyo, Japanese Co-Prosperity Sphere;
AMY GOODMAN: Kuongorora kwako kweMutungamiri Obama?
DAVID HARVEY: Ini ndinofunga anoda chaizvo, yakasimba chaizvo, ine simba yesocial movement kumashure kwake kuti aite zvinhu zvaanoda chaizvo kuita. Parizvino, anofanirwa kubata neCongress. Uye, munoziva, pane boka muCongress randinodaidza bato reWall Street, rakadyarwa zvakadzika muDemocratic Party, rakadyarwa zvakadzika muRepublican Party. Uye saka, haakwanise kurwa neWall Street, achipihwa kukosha kwebato reWall Street muCongress. Ndinoreva, semuenzaniso, yedu
AMY GOODMAN: Unoona neoliberalism seyakafa here? Uye chii chinokupa tariro huru?
DAVID HARVEY: Ini handisi kuona iyo neoliberalism seyakafa, kana iwe ukati neoliberalism ndeyekubatanidzwa kwesimba rekirasi, nekuti chaizvo tiri kuona kumwe kubatanidzwa kwayo izvozvi, pane kudzikisira kwayo. Uye ndizvo zvandinoโkana ndichitaura nezvekubhadhara mari mubhangi, ndizvo zvazvanga zvichiita. Saka ndine hanya.
AMY GOODMAN: Wanga usingabhadharwi nebhangi here?
DAVID HARVEY: Zvakanaka, ndanga ndichifarira kugadzirisa dambudziko rekuvharirwa. Unoona, kana wakagadzirisa dambudziko redzimba, mabhanga anga asiri kubata chero zvinhu zvine chepfu. Dai iwe wakapinda mukati uye ukabhadhara vanhu vese, pangadai pasina dambudziko paWall Street. Vangadai vasina kugara ipapo nezvinhu zvese zvine chepfu. Ungadai usina kuvharirwa. Saka taifanira kunge takapinda ipapo pakutanga uye tikanyatsobata pasi dambudziko rekuvhara.
AMY GOODMAN: Uye nei vasina kudaro?
DAVID HARVEY: Nekuti izvi zvinoreva kubhadharira varombo vekuAmerica vekuAmerica nevanhu verudzi irworwo, uye havana basa nazvo. Ivo vane hanya nekuchengetedza mabhanga, kwete nekuchengetedza vanhu.
Izvi zvinobva zvandipa tariro, munoona, nekuti ndinofunga izvozvi kuti vanhu vazvione, kuti ndizvo chaizvo zvanga zvichiitika mumakore makumi matatu apfuura uye zvinonyatso jekeswa izvozvi-ndinoreva, zvinokurova kumeso pakarepo. Munoziva, izvi ndizvo zviri kuitika. Uye chimwe chinhu chakasiyana chinofanira kuitika. Kumwe kufamba kunofanira kubuda voti, โOnai, zvakwana. Hatisi kuzoenderera mberi nenzira iyi. "
AMY GOODMAN: Muzvinafundo David Harvey, ndinoda kukutendai zvikuru nekuva nesu.
DAVID HARVEY: Ndinotenda.
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