Al Jazeera inotaura naHoward Zinn, munyori, munyori wenhoroondo wekuAmerica, muongorori wezvemagariro evanhu uye muratidziri, nezve maitirwo
Mubvunzo: Ndekupi
HZ:
Zviripachena, kubva muhondo yeIraq, nyika yese yakadonha kubva kuUnited States, uye kana mutemo weAmerica wekune dzimwe nyika uchienderera mberi nenzira yawave uri - iwo ane hutsinye uye ane chisimba uye asina hanya nemanzwiro nemafungiro evamwe vanhu - ipapo pesvedzero yeUnited States iri kuzodzikira zvakanyanya.
Uhwu humambo hunova kune rumwe rutivi humambo hune simba zvikuru hwakambovapo; Ukuwo humambo huri kuparara - humambo husina ramangwana ... nekuti nyika yese yakaparadzaniswa uye nekuda kwekuti humambo uhwu hunorema kwazvo nezvisungo zvehondo, zvine mabhesi pasirese, nekuneta kwavo. zvekushandisa kumba.
[Izvi zviri kukonzera kusagutsikana kwakawanda uye kumusha, saka ndinofunga humambo hweAmerica huchaenda nenzira yehumwe humambo uye ndinofunga hwave munzira izvozvi.
Mubvunzo: Pane tariro here
HZ: Kana paine tariro, tariro iri muvanhu vekuAmerica. [Icho] chiri muAmerica vanhu vanova vakagumbuka zvakakwana uye vakatsamwa zvakakwana pamusoro pezvakaitika kunyika yavo, pamusoro pekurasikirwa kwechiremera munyika, pamusoro pekushaya nzara kwehupfumi hwevanhu muUnited States, nzara yedzidzo nehutano, kutora. yemaitiro ezvematongerwo enyika nesimba rekambani uye mhedzisiro iyi pahupenyu hwezuva nezuva hwevanhu vekuAmerica.
[Kunewo] kukwira kwemitengo yezvokudya, kunowedzera kusachengeteka, kuendeswa kwepwere kuhondo.
Ndinofunga kuti zvese izvi zvingangovaka mubato rekumukira.
Takaona mafambiro echimurenga munguva yakapfuura: Bato revashandi, sangano rekodzero dzevanhu, sangano rinopikisa hondo mu
Ndinofunga tinogona kuona, kana
Q: Zvakaita sei
HZ: Zvakanaka, tasvika panguva ino nokuti ... ndinofunga kuti vanhu vekuAmerica vakabvumira kuti zvisvike panguva ino nokuti kwaiva nevanhu vekuAmerica vakakwana vaigutsikana nehupenyu hwavo, zvakakwana.
Ehe, maAmerican mazhinji anga asiri, ndosaka hafu yehuwandu isingavhote, vakaparadzaniswa.
Asi kune vanhu vekuAmerica vakakwana vakagutsikana, ungati kuwana zvimwe zve "zvakanaka" zvehumambo, zvimwe zvacho, vanhu vakakwana vakagutsikana kutsigira hurongwa, saka takawana nenzira iyi nekuda kwekugona kwe hurongwa hwekuzvichengeta nekugutsa huwandu hwevanhu kuti hurambe huri pamutemo.
Uye ndinofunga kuti nguva iri kusvika kumagumo.
Q: Chii chinofanira kuziva nyika nezve
HZ: Chandinoona vanhu vazhinji pasirese vasingazive ndechekuti mune vanopikisa
Ivo havanzwisise husarudzi hwehutongi hwezvematongerwo enyika hweAmerica umo masimba ese akaiswa mukati memapato maviri asiri kure zvakanyanya kubva kune mumwe uye vanhu havagone kuona mutsauko zviri nyore.
Saka ini ndinofunga tiri mumamiriro ezvinhu apo tichada shanduko dzakakosha kwazvo munharaunda yeAmerica kana vanhu vekuAmerica vachizogutsikana nerudzi rwenzanga yatinayo.
Q: Unofunga kuti
HZ: Zvakanaka, ndiri kutarisira kupora. Ndinoreva, kusvika ikozvino hatisati tazviona.
Iwe wakabvunza nezve izvo vanhu vepasirese vasingazive nezve
Kwagara kune kushorwa, asi vanopikisa vagara vakatsikirirwa kana kunyaradzwa, vakachengetwa mumimvuri, vakashongedzwa kuti manzwi avo asanzwika.
Vanhu pasi rose vanonzwa mazwi evatungamiri veAmerica.
Havanzwe manzwi evanhu munyika yose vasingadi vatungamiri veAmerica vanoda mitemo yakasiyana.
Ini ndinofunga zvakare, vanhu vari munyika yese vanofanirwa kuziva izvo zvavanoona mazviri
Ndinofunga ... vanhu vazhinji vari munyika vanofunga kuti iyi hondo mukati
Harina kumbova simba rakanaka, kubva pakutanga, kubva kuChimurenga cheAmerica, kubva pakutora nyika yeIndia, kubva muhondo yeMexico, hondo yeSpanish neAmerica.
Zvinonyadzisa kutaura, asi isu tine nhoroondo refu munyika ino yekuwedzera kwechisimba uye ndinofunga kwete chete kuti vanhu vazhinji mune dzimwe nyika [vasingazive] izvi, vazhinji vekuAmerica havazivi izvi.
Mubvunzo: Pane nzira yekuti izvi zvigadzirise?
HZ: Zvakanaka iwe unoziva, chero tariro iripo iri munhamba huru yevanhu vekuAmerica vane tsika, vasingade kuenda kuhondo, vasingade kuuraya vamwe vanhu.
Zvinonetsa kuona tariro iyoyo nekuti vanhu vekuAmerica ava vanonzwa saizvozvo vakavharirwa hurongwa hwekufambiswa kwemashoko, saka manzwi avo haanzwike, havaonekwe paterevhizheni, asi variko.
Ndakapfuura, muhupenyu hwangu, akati wandei mafambiro emagariro uye ndakaona sei pakutanga kweaya mafambisirwo emagariro kana nguva pfupi aya mafambisirwo emagariro atanga, paisaratidzika kunge paine tariro.
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Uye apo vanhu vakaronga, uye apo vanhu vakatanga kuita, apo vanhu vakatanga kushanda pamwe chete, vanhu vakatanga kutora njodzi, vanhu vakatanga kupikisa kugadzwa, vanhu vakatanga kuita kusateerera kwevanhu.
Zvakanaka, ipapo tariro iyoyo yakaonekwa ... yakashanduka kuita shanduko.
Mubvunzo: Iwe unofunga kuti pane nzira yekubuda mune izvi uye yeramangwana pesvedzero ye
HZ: Zvakanaka, iwe unoziva kune iyo
[Inofanirawo kuva] ine hanya nezvinodiwa nevanhu vari mune mamwe mativi enyika, inonzwisisa zvakakwana kuziva kuti zviwanikwa zveAmerica, panzvimbo pokutsaurirwa kuhondo, zvinofanira kuzvipira kubatsira vanhu vari kutambura.
Iwe une kudengenyeka kwenyika uye njodzi dzinongoitika dzoga pasi rose, asi vanhu vari mukati
Njodzi dzinongoitika dzoga pano [zvakare] dzakaunza kuita kushoma kwakanaka - tarisa [Hurricane] Katrina.
Vanhu vari munyika ino, varombo kunyanya uye vanhu vemavara kunyanya, vakanyanya kubatwa nemasimba eAmerica sevanhu vari kune dzimwe nyika.
Mubvunzo: Unogona here kutipa chiyero chese chese chatakataura nezvacho - simba uye pesvedzero ye
HZ: Simba uye pesvedzero ye
Saka the
Zvisinei kuti wakasimba sei muchina wemauto, simba harina kutsamira pamushini wemauto. Saka simba riri kudzikira.
Pakupedzisira simba rinotsamira pahunhu hwechokwadi hwehurongwa uye
Tariro yangu ndeyokuti vanhu veAmerica vachazvimutsa uye vashandure mamiriro ezvinhu aya, kuti vazvinatsire ivo uye kuti vabatsire nyika yose.
[Howard Zinn ndiye munyori we, kunyanya, A People's History of the
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