Umthombo: Idemokhrasi Ngoku!
Abagqatswa abathandathu bobumongameli be-2020 - uSenator u-Elizabeth Warren kunye noCory Booker, kunye noTom Steyer, uMarianne Williamson, uJohn Delaney kunye noJoe Sestak - bathathe inxaxheba kwiQonga likaMongameli lokuqala loBulungisa beNdalo eOrangeburg, eMzantsi Carolina, ngoNovemba 8. Idemokhrasi Ngoku! host Amy Goodman kunye yangaphambili EPA igosa uMustafa Santiago Ali co-modareyitha isiganeko, eyenzeka kwiYunivesithi yaseSouth Carolina State e-Orangeburg. Sisasaza iimbalasane zikaWarren ethetha ngengxaki yemozulu, impilo yoluntu, ukuvalwa kwemibhobho, ubungxowankulu, ulungelelwaniso lwamazwe aphambili kunye nokunye.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Yi le Intando yeninzi Ngoku! NdinguAmy Goodman. NgoLwesihlanu ebusuku, iForam yokuqala kaMongameli yoBulungisa bezeNdalo yabanjwa kwiYunivesithi yaseSouth Carolina State eOrangeburg. Abagqatswa abathandathu bakamongameli beDemokhrasi nabo bayinxalenye: IiSenators uElizabeth Warren kunye noCory Booker, uTom Steyer, uMarianne Williamson, uJohn Delaney kunye noJoe Sestak. Ndamodareyitha umcimbi kunye no-Mustafa Ali, owayesakuba ligosa kunye ne-Arhente yoKhuseleko lweNdalo, usekela-mongameli we-National Wildlife Federation. Siza kube sisasaza amagqabantshintshi eqonga kwezi veki zizayo, kodwa namhlanje sibhenela kuSenator uElizabeth Warren. UMustafa Ali waqala ukubuza.
UMUSTAFA ALI: Uninzi lwabantu bebala, abantu abafumana imivuzo ephantsi kunye nabemi bomthonyama bafa ngokoqobo ngenxa yokuphefumla umoya omtsha. Sinabantu abayi-100,000 ababhubha phambi kwexesha ngenxa yongcoliseko lomoya kwilizwe lethu - uluntu olufana noluntu lwaseManchester eHouston, eTexas, ukuya kwiCancer Alley ephakathi kweBaton Rouge neLouisiana, oh, nalapha eCharleston, eMzantsi Carolina. Ungenza ntoni ukujongana nobhubhane owenzeka kwiindawo esihlala kuzo ngenxa yongcoliseko lomoya?
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Ngoko ke, inxalenye yayo kufuneka someleze i-Arhente yoKhuseleko lokuSingqongileyo. Nantsi ingcamango engqongqo: kuthekani ukuba asinalo i-lobbyist yamalahle yokukhokela EPA? Ucinga ukuba sisiqalo esihle eso? Kodwa kunjalo. Njengoko bezamile ukuhlehla-ulawulo lukaTrump kunye EPA, phantsi kolawulo lwakhe, baye bazama ukubuyisela umva imigangatho yomgangatho womoya. Sidinga-hayi, kufuneka siye kwelinye icala: Kufuneka siqhubele phambili. Kwaye ke kufuneka somelele ngakumbi kule nto.
*Kodwa ndingadibanisa inxalenye yesibini kuloo nto? Kuba ndicinga ukuba kubaluleke kakhulu. Kwaye oko kukuthi, ndifuna ukuzisa CDC. Ndifuna ukukuthatha oku njengengxakeko yezempilo yoluntu njengoko injalo. Ewe. Ukuba abantu bebebulawa yintsholongwane engaqondakaliyo, ukuba bebunciphisa ubomi bufutshane kwiindawo ezihlala kakuhle, ukholelwa ngcono ukuba siza kuza nophando, siya kubalaselisa apho iingxaki zikhoyo, kwaye thina. d ube ufumanisa ukuba ungazilungisa njani kwaye uzilungise ngokukhawuleza. Endaweni yoko, sijonga nje ngokuphindaphindiweyo ukuba abantwana abahlala kwiindawo ezihluphekayo, abahlala kwiindawo zemibala banamazinga aphezulu okulaliswa esibhedlele ngenxa ye-asthma. Ngoba? Kuba oko bakutshisayo eOhio, uphefumla eMassachusetts, kwaye kunzima kubantwana bethu, kuba abantwana bethu ngabona basengozini, kwaye bahlala ecaleni kweendawo ezimdaka kakhulu, ezinomoya ombi. Ke, ndifuna ukuyinyanga le nto-ndifuna ukuza ngobundlongondlongo kwaye ndiphathe oku njengemeko kaxakeka yezempilo yoluntu. Ndifuna izazinzulu kuyo, kwaye ndifuna ukubeka izixhobo zokwenyani emva kokuyilungisa.
UMUSTAFA ALI: Enkosi.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: UTom Steyer uthe uzakubhengeza imeko yonxunguphalo lwemozulu ngosuku lokuqala engumongameli. Ngaba nawe ungenza okufanayo?
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Singa. Uyazi, nantsi indlela endiyicinga ngayo le nto. Ndifuna ukusebenzisa izixhobo ezikhoyo njengomongameli. Kwaye indlela endicinga ngayo ngokusebenzisa izixhobo, ndifuna ukucinga malunga nokuba - ndiyakuthanda ukuthetha oku - umongameli angayenza yedwa. Kwaye indlela endicinga ngayo yinxalenye yale nto ndiyikhankanye apha. Into endifuna ukuyenza kukuba ndifuna ukwenza isikhundla kwi-White House esisisikhundla esisisigxina, esiqhubekayo sokujongana nokungabikho kobulungisa esijongene nazo ngoku kulo mba. Ke, kum, into endizibophelele ukuyenza kukudala isikhundla kwi-White House, kwaye kwikhulu lokuqala leentsuku hayi nje ukwenza yonke into ndedwa kule, kodwa ukubuza amaqela abekho imida yangaphambili ukuba yinxalenye yoku, ukudibana kunye nokuqala ukuhlanganisa isicwangciso somsebenzi.
Kwaye isizathu sokuba nditsho kukuba, xa sithetha ngombuzo wobulungisa bokusingqongileyo, yingxaki ehlala kwindawo ephezulu. Ufuna isihlunu sesizwe. Udinga imali yesizwe. Udinga umyolelo wesizwe ukuze ungene apho kwaye ulungise ingxaki. Kodwa awudingi mntu kumgangatho wesizwe othi, "Nantsi impendulo echanekileyo." Kuba impendulo yahlukile. Yahlukile kumhlaba wezizwe eziphuma eNtshona kunokuba injalo kwizixeko ezitshonayo kufutshane nonxweme. Kwahlukile ukuba kufuphi nendawo yokulahla inkunkuma eqhumayo netshileyo kunokuba kufutshane nomzi-mveliso oqhubeka ufaka ityhefu emanzini. Ke ngoko, kwinto nganye kwezi, indlela endibona ngayo oku kukwenza isibophelelo esibambekayo kwezemali, wenza ukuzinikela okubambekayo ekuhlanganiseni abantu ndawonye, โโemva koko ucele uluntu ukuba luchonge into ekufuneka yenziwe.
Kwaye ke, ukuba ndiyakwazi, isahlulo sesithathu kufuneka sijonge oku ngokupheleleyo. Ayikokucoca nje iindawo zokulahla inkunkuma. Ayikokwenza nje ukuba iifektri zihluze oko zikufaka emoyeni nasemanzini okanye zivale. Kukwangowokuphakamisa olu luntu, kuba olu luntu lonakele kwizizukulwana ngezizukulwana. Ke, imalunga notyalo-mali - endingathanda ukuthetha ngalo - kwizindlu. Imalunga notyalo-mali lwezoqoqosho, utyalo-mali ezikolweni. Imalunga nokwenza utyalo-mali kolu luntu, ke sisuka kuluntu oluthi, njengoko usitsho, lubulala abantu kuluntu oluhlumayo. Nantso into endifuna ukuyibona.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Ume phi, kungekuphela nje kumbhobho weDakota Access owakhiwayo? Ibiyiyo ngoku, kwaye isebenza kwisikhundla esikhulu. Kodwa ngoku iStanding Rock Sioux isenkundleni. Bathi ingxelo yempembelelo efanelekileyo yokusingqongileyo ayenziwanga kwaye umbhobho wokuFikelela eDakota kufuneka uvalwe. Ngaba uyavumelana noku? Ungenza ntoni njengomongameli, zombini kumbhobho wokuFikelela eDakota, i-Keystone XL, uMongameli uTrump wayikhanyisa eluhlaza, kunye nemibhobho, lilonke, kwilizwe liphela?
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Ke, mandiqale ngokuthi ndiyakholelwa ukuba kufuneka sinyanzelise imithetho yethu yokusingqongileyo. Kwaye xa iingxelo ezifanelekileyo zempembelelo kokusingqongileyo zingenziwanga, ngoko, ewe, kufuneka sivale imisebenzi. Yiyo loo nto ithetha ukuba le mithetho, kukuba siyayinyanzelisa le mithetho.
Kodwa ukuba ndiyakwazi, ndifuna ukongeza iqhekeza elongezelelweyo, kuba ndicinga ukuba oku kuzisa ngokwenene kumbuzo wolawulo lwezizwe kunye nezizwe ukuba zibe ngamagosa alungileyo omhlaba wabo. Sele ndizinikele ekuhleni kwizizwe, zombini ukuhlonipha ukuba izizwe ngokwazo zenza isigqibo malunga nokwenzeka kwimihlaba yezizwe - obu bubudlelwane besizwe nesizwe. Oku kumalunga nentembeko yethu kunye nezibophelelo zesivumelwano. Kodwa ndihambela phambili kwaye ndithi kwimihlaba yomdibaniso ejikeleze imihlaba yezizwe, ukuba, njengomongameli, andisayi kuvuma nakuphi na ukugrunjwa, imigodi, imibhobho engaphaya kwaloo mihlaba, kule mihlaba idityanisiweyo ijikeleze imihlaba yezizwe, ngaphandle kokuba izizwe. abachaphazelekayo banika eyabo imvume enolwazi kwangaphambili. Ndikholelwa ukuba baya kuba ngabaphathi abalungileyo belizwe, kwaye ndikholelwa ukuba baya kuwukhusela lo mmandla.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Ingaba ungowovala umbhobho wokuFikelela eDakota?
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Ewe.
UMUSTAFA ALI: Kwaye ungakhusela njani ngcono? Uyazi, sinobu bucukubhede bemihlaba yethu yomdibaniso. Uyazi, bayivulele imigodi kunye nokugrumba kunye nazo zonke ezinye iintlobo zezinto. Ungenza ntoni njengomongameli ukukhusela ngcono imihlaba yethu yomanyano?
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Ewe, njengoko benditshilo, lo ngomnye umongameli anokukwenza yedwa. Ngomhla wokuqala, ndiza kuthi, "Akukho kusembiwa kutsha, akukho migodi mitsha, kwimihlaba yethu yomdibaniso, kwaye akukho kusonjwa elunxwemeni." Uyivale nje. Kwaye, uyazi, yimpembelelo enkulu kakhulu leyo, kuba, njengoko usazi, malunga nekota yemihlaba yethu yimihlaba ekhuselweyo ngokumanyeneyo.
Kwaye ngoku ngokwenene lo ngumbuzo usisiseko: ngubani osebenzela urhulumente. Ke, ngoku iinkampani zemigodi, iinkampani zokomba, ezifuna ukwenza iidola ezinkulu ngokufumana amalungelo okomba kunye namalungelo okomba iipennies ngedola kwaye zishiye ngasemva inkunkuma ukuze kungekuphela nje uluntu lwasekhaya ekufuneka lujongane nayo, ukuze izizwe zijongane nazo. kufuneka sijongane nayo, kodwa sitshabalalisa umhlaba ococekileyo kwizizukulwana ezizayo. Ndiyakholelwa ukuba sobabini sinoqoqosho olomeleleyo - ndiza kuqala apho - isibophelelo, kodwa kunye nesibophelelo esinamandla sokuziphatha, ukukhusela imihlaba yoluntu kunye nokuqinisekisa ukuba bahlala bekhuselekile. Ndilwe neenzame zolawulo lukaTrump zokuzama ukuhlehlisa ukhuseleko lwemihlaba yethu, kwaye ndiya kuba ngumkhuseli ngononophelo waloo mihlaba.
Uyazi, ndizakongeza kule nto. Ndiyazi ukuba sithetha ngeempembelelo ezinkulu. Kum, ikwayinto yomntu. Mna nomyeni wam sihambahamba. Sihambe kakhulu kwezi - uninzi lwale mihlaba yomanyano amashumi eminyaka ngoku. Kwaye ngoku besihamba ngeenyawo kungekudala, besithetha ukuba kuya kuthetha ukuthini ukuba abazukulwana bethu abazukubona into esiyibonayo, ukuba abazukulwana bethu baya kuvinjwa ithuba lokuphuma baze babone abahle kakhulu kule nto. Umhlaba. Sinembophelelo kwizizukulwana ezizayo. Asikuko ukuba baya kulidla ilifa; imalunga noko sikuboleka kubo. Kwaye kufuneka sihlangabezane naloo mbopheleleko. Kufuneka sihlangabezane nayo, kuba ifanelekile kwilizwe lethu, kuba ilungile kweli hlabathi, kodwa nangenxa yokuba ilungile ngokuziphatha. Kufuneka siphile imilinganiselo yethu.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Ngaba ucinga ukuba uTom Perez, usihlalo weKomiti yeSizwe yeDemokhrasi, akalunganga ukuba athi hayi kwingxoxo-mpikiswano ngokukodwa ngengxaki yemozulu?
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Ewe.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Ungamoyisa njani yena kunye DNC ukuba batshintshe iingqondo zabo?
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Sele ndiyilinganisele kule, esidlangalaleni, kwaye ndacela ingxoxo yemozulu. Ngokucacileyo, andizange ndiphumelele kuloo nto. Kodwa ndikwenzile oku kwiinyanga ezininzi ezidlulileyo, kuba ndicinga ukuba lo ngumba ongxamisekileyo wexesha lethu. Uyazi, akufuneki ndiyithethe kuwe, kodwa kufanelekile ukuphinda ithuba ngalinye esilifumanayo, ukuba utshintsho lwemozulu lusongela yonke into ephilayo kule planethi, kwaye yonke enye into esithetha ngayo ixhomekeke ekubeni noMhlaba esiwufumanayo. inokuphila kwizizukulwana ngezizukulwana. Ke, ndicinga ukuba, njengeeDemokhrasi, kufanele ukuba sonwabe ukuhlangana ukuze siwuphakamise lo mbandela. Njengoko benditshilo, ndiyavuya ukuba lapha ngoku, kweli qonga lengxoxo, ukuphakamisa lo mba kubantu kwilizwe liphela nakwihlabathi liphela. I-United States yinkokeli kwimozulu. Singo. Okwangoku sikhokelela kwicala elingelilo. Kufuneka sibonise ukuba ayisiyiyo yonke iMelika, ayisiyiyo leyo thina njengamaMelika, ukuba siyawuxabisa lo mhlaba kwaye siyawuxabisa lo mhlaba kwaye sizimisele ukubeka izixhobo zokwenyani emva kokukhusela.
UMUSTAFA ALI: Ewe, uSenator uWarren, siyazi ukuba uluntu lwemibala, uluntu lwangaphambili, lubethwa kuqala kwaye lubi kakhulu-
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Ewe.
UMUSTAFA ALI: - ukusuka ekutshintsheni kwemozulu, ukusuka ePuerto Rico, apho silahlekelwe khona ngaphezu kwe-3,000 ubomi, ukuya ePrinceville, North Carolina, eyasungulwa ngamakhoboka akhululiwe kwaye kwafuneka sijongane nezi zikhukhula ezibhubhisayo. Sasidla ngokuthetha ngeempuphuma zeminyaka engama-50. Ngoku sithetha malunga ne-100 yeminyaka yezikhukhula kunye ne-500 yeminyaka yezikhukhula, yonke indlela, ngokuqinisekileyo, kwinto eyenzekayo eNew Orleans ukusuka eKatrina. Ke, sibuze umgqatswa obehleli esitulweni ukuba unguye, "Leliphi inyathelo lakho elinesibindi malunga nokutshintsha kwemozulu?" Iyakuba yintoni eyakho?
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Ibhiliyoni yeedola. Oko kubonakala kunesibindi. Hayi, oku kubalulekile. Yiyo loo nto ndithe ndicinga ukuba kubalulekile ukuba neenkcukacha malunga noku. Kwaye kulula kakhulu ukuthi, "Ndinayo" - kumntu, umgqatswa, ukuthi, "Nasi isicwangciso esikhulu semozulu. Kwaye, owu, ewe, siyakucinga ngobulungisa bokusingqongileyo ndaweni ithile endleleni,โ kwaye siyifumane kwaye sithethe izinto ezifanelekileyo, kodwa ngandlelโ ithile, ekuthathweni kwezigqibo, ayinakwenzeka. Andifuni ukuba ngula mongameli. Ndifuna ukuba ngumongameli owenza kwangaphambili kwaye athi, "Siyazi ukuba sinengxaki enkulu apha."
Ke, ndinesicwangciso sokubeka malunga ne-3 yeetriliyoni zeedola kulungiso lwemozulu, ngokuthe ngqo ngeedola kurhulumente wobumbano, amandla amaninzi kuloo nto. Into endiya kuyenza kukuba ndingazibophelela ekuthatheni isahlulo sesithathu saloo nto kwaye ndithi siza kuyichitha kubulungisa bendalo. Siza kuchitha ekuyeni kwiindawo zoluntu oluthwaxwa kakhulu, oluthe lwabethwa ixesha elide, izizukulwana ngezizukulwana. Njengoko benditshilo, andifuni kuyalela eWashington ukuba kuthatha ntoni. Uyazi, isenokuba ludonga lolwandle kwindawo enye; inokuba yintlabathi kwenye eyahlukileyo. Isenokuba kukufuduka kwezinye-ukuthiyile ukuyithetha, kodwa inokuba njalo. Kukho zonke iindidi zeeyantlukwano kwindlela ekumele yenzeke ngayo. Nantso ke intlonipho eluntwini nakumaqela abahlali kudala esilwa le nto. Kodwa indima karhulumente wobumbano kukukhusela. Indima yorhulumente wobumbano kukubonelela ngezibonelelo. Indima yorhulumente wobumbano kukuqinisekisa ukuba, njengelizwe, asishiyi ngasemva uluntu.
UMUSTAFA ALI: Makhe ndilandele ngokukhawuleza kakhulu kuloo nto. Kwaye ndiyayibulela into owabelana ngayo nathi. Kodwa inyaniso kukuba, kukho amanye amazwe angakhange abe nobudlelwane obungcono kunye noluntu lwethu olusengozini. Ke, ukuba sinetriliyoni, iitriliyoni ezimbini, iitriliyoni ezintathu zeedola kwinqanaba lomdibaniso, siya kuqinisekisa njani kwinqanaba likarhulumente ukuba benza izinto ezifanelekileyo ukulungisa iimpembelelo ezenzekayo kwiindawo esihlala kuzo?
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Umbuzo omhle. Ngoko ke mandenze oku ngeendlela zombini. Kwiidola zomdibaniso, akunyanzelekanga ukuba baye kumazwe. Unokwenza iidola zomdibaniso ziye ngqo eluntwini, ukuze uluntu lube nesakhono sokuza sithi, โNantsi ingxaki yethu. Sifanelekele iimali zomdibaniso,โ ke ngoko awunayo irhuluneli okanye indlu yowiso-mthetho yelizwe phakathi kokufunxa loo mali, efika ngamabhakethi ize iphele isasazwe kuluntu oluthile nge-eyedropper. Ke, yinxalenye yokuqala.
Kodwa inxalenye yesibini, ndiyacinga, kukuba-unyanisile. Kufuneka amazwe abe nemithetho yawo yokusingqongileyo. Sifanele senze oku kwinqanaba le-federal, kodwa sifuna ukunyanzeliswa kokusingqongileyo kwinqanaba likarhulumente, kunye nemithetho yokusingqongileyo efanelekileyo kuloo mazwe. Ndicinga ukuba eyona ndlela siyenza ngayo loo nto kuxa siqinisa amaqela phantsi. Ke, yicinge njengesenzo esinje. Xa unorhulumente womdibaniso, xa unomongameli ozinikele ngokwenene kwimiba yokusingqongileyo, kwaye unamaqela amaninzi asekuhlaleni apho omabini anamandla okufumana inkxaso-mali, abe namandla okwenza umahluko kwiindawo abahlala kuzo, oko komeleza loo maqela. Oko kuyalomeleza olo luntu. Kwaye oko kubanika umsipha omninzi wokujongana noorhulumente bamazwe ebenokuthi bangabahoyi.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Siza kubuya nomgqatswa wobumongameli uSenator u-Elizabeth Warren kwimizuzwana engama-30.
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NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Yi le Intando yeninzi Ngoku!, democracynow.org, Ingxelo Yemfazwe Nezoxolo. Ndingu-Amy Goodman, njengoko siqhubeka nokugubungela iForam yokuqala kaMongameli yoBulungisa bokuSingqongileyo, ebibanjwe ngoLwesihlanu ebusuku eMzantsi Carolina kwiYunivesithi yaseSouth Carolina State. Ngaphambili EPA igosa uMustafa Ali kunye nam sabuza uSenator weDemocratic Alliance u-Elizabeth Warren.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: USenator Warren, uthe umahluko obalulekileyo phakathi kwakho noBernie Sanders kukuba ungongxowankulu kwaye ungumntu wobusoshiyali. Noko ke, amatsha-ntliziyo amaninzi athi inkqubo yezoqoqosho esekelwe kuhlumo oluqhubekayo ngokusisiseko ayivisisani nemekobume ezinzileyo, ecocekileyo nezinzileyo. Uyidibanisa njani lento?
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Ke, uyazi, indlela endiyibona ngayo le nto, ndiyakholelwa kwiimarike. Ndicinga ukuba iimarike zisizisela izinto ezintsha, indalo eninzi, utshintsho oluninzi, kulungile. Ndifuna ukubona, umzekelo, iimarike zokucoca - kungekhona nje amandla ahlambulukileyo, kodwa indlela esiya kucoca ngayo i-carbon emoyeni, indlela esiya kucoca ngayo ukungcola emanzini. Kodwa qonda oku: Iimarike ezingenamithetho bubusela. Bangamasela. Iyakuvumela, nanini na ufumana ithuba, xa unemarike abantu abafika kuyo - iinkampani zifumana ukuqhatha abantu, bubusela obo. Ayiyontengiso leyo. Kwaye ayisiyiyo indlela iimarike ekumele zisebenze ngayo. Ke, iinzame zam, iminyaka emininzi ngoku, ibimalunga nendlela esizifumana ngayo ezo marike ukuba zisebenze ukuze sifumane okona kulungileyo kwiimarike, kodwa abantu bangaqhathwa.
Kwaye mhlawumbi owona mzekelo ungcono kukuba, ekuqaleni koo-2000 - ndiza kukunika umzekelo - iithosta. Uxolo, andizukuyiqala ngebali lam letoasta; Ndizakuyiqala ngokubambisa. Izindlu zokuhlala zaziyingozi kwaye zintsonkothile kangangokuba umntu oye wafumana imali mboleko wayenethuba elinye kwabahlanu lokuphulukana nekhaya lakhe ngenxa yelo mboleko-mali mboleko - hayi ngomlilo, kodwa ngenxa yokuvalwa. Uluntu lwemibala lwalujoliswe kwi-mortgage embi kakhulu. Kwaye urhulumente, babengekho kwicala labantu. Babengene nzulu kwiipokotho zeebhanki ezinkulu-enyanisweni, benzulu kangangokuba bavumela iibhanki ezinkulu ukuba zithengise ngokwaneleyo ezo mboleko mboleko ukuze ziphazamise uqoqosho lonke.
Ngoko, emva kwaloo ngozi, ndaba nombono. Kwaye ingcamango yayiye-arhente yabathengi, eyayiza kungena kanye njenge-arhente yabathengi ekhuselayo ekuthengeni i-toasters eya kuvutha amadangatye, i-arhente yabathengi eya kukhusela abantu abathenga i-mortgages kunye namakhadi okuthenga ngetyala kunye nemali-mboleko yabafundi, kwaye kwicala lomthengi. Kwaye abantu bandixelela, โUngakhe uzame ukuyenza loo nto, ngokuba awusoze uyiphumelele. Iibhanki ezinkulu ziya kukunqanda-imali enkulu, amaRiphabhlikhi kwaye, ngokungafihlisiyo, iqela elipheleleyo leDemokhrasi. " Kodwa yayiyinto elungileyo ukuyenza. Ngoko ndangena kuloo mlo. Iqela lamaqela abathengi lancedisa kulo mlo. Kwaye sathatha kwiWall Street, sathatha imali enkulu, kwaye uMongameli Obama wasayina loo arhente ibe ngumthetho ngo-2010. Ngoku - ewe! Nantsi ke into. Ngoku inyanzelise loo maziko emali ukuba abuyisele ngaphezulu kweebhiliyoni zeerandi ezili-12 ngokuthe ngqo kubantu abaqhathiweyo.
Ngoku, siyayazi indlela yokwenza urhulumente asebenzele abantu. Kwaye oko kuthetha ukuba kufuneka ube nemithetho. Andifuni kulahla ezo zixhobo. Andifuni kulahla amakhadi etyala. Ndithanda ikhadi lam letyala. Andifuni nje ukuba bakwazi ukundiqhatha okanye nabani na ongomnye. Kum, yile nto imalunga nayo.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Ngaba ndingalandela -
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Kuqiniseke.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: โ cela ukuba uphendule kumadoda amabini ahlukeneyo? UBernie Sanders uthi akufuneki kubekho izigidigidi. Ngaba uyavumelana noko?
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Hayi.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Ngoba kutheni?
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Khangela, umntu unengcamango enkulu, kwaye bayayilandela, kwaye basebenza nzima, kwaye bakha into ethile. Kuhle kubo. Kodwa nantsi inqaku lam. Wakha ithamsanqa elikhulu kweli lizwe, kulungile kuwe. Kodwa nakha, ubuncinci ngokuyinxenye, usebenzisa abasebenzi sonke esincedileyo ekuhlawuleni ukufundisa. Uyakhile, ubuncinci ngokuyinxenye, ukufumana iimpahla zakho kwintengiso ezindleleni kunye neebhulorho sonke sancedisa ekuhlawuleni ukwakha. Uwakhe, ubuncinci ngokuyinxenye, ukhuselwe ngamapolisa nabacimi-mlilo sonke sincedise ekuhlawuleni imivuzo yabo. Ngoko, nantsi imbono yam. Uyenza ibe phezulu, ukuya kwi-tip-top, ke impendulo ithi: Hlawula irhafu yobutyebi, ukuze sityale kwaye sidale amathuba kuye wonke umntu. Yiloo nto irhafu yam yobutyebi yeesenti ezimbini imalunga nayo.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Ke, indoda yesibini endifuna ukuba uphendule kuyo nguMark Zuckerberg - akunjalo?
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Ewe.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: - I-CEO ye-Facebook, eyathi umongameli weWarren uya kunya kwinkampani yakhe. Oko bekukuvuza komsindo owaphumayo.
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Yhooo.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Into endizisa kwiziko lokuSebenza kweMozulu, elithe awona maqumrhu azizityebi emhlabeni anoxanduva lwengxaki yemozulu -
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Ewe.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: - eyona nto ichaphazela kakhulu, abantu bebala kunye noluntu oluhluphekayo. Ngaphezulu kwe-70% yezinto ezikhutshwayo zehlabathi ziphuma kwiinkampani ezili-100 kuphela.
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Kunene.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Ucinga ukuba makwenziwe ntoni ukucela umngeni koku, kutshintshe oku? Ungenza ntoni njengomongameli? Wenza ntoni njengoSenator?
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Ewe, inxalenye yokuqala singayilawula. Khangela, amashishini amathathu - amashishini amathathu, sibeka imimiselo enzulu kwaye sithi akukho naziphi na izakhiwo ezitsha, naziphi na izindlu ezitsha ezakhiweyo - emva kwe-2028, i-zero carbon emission; I-2030, ukukhutshwa kwekhabhoni ye-zero kuzo zonke iimoto kunye neelori ezikhanyayo eziveliswayo; kwaye ngo-2035, i-zero carbon emission kuyo yonke imveliso yombane. Amashishini amathathu. Singanciphisa ukukhutshwa kwekhabhoni e-United States of America nge-70%. Amashishini amathathu. Ke, kukho esinye sezixhobo zakho, ngummiselo, kanye apho. Kufuneka ukulungele ukungena kummiselo.
Kodwa makhe ndiveze enye ingongoma malunga noku. Qonda, ezo nkampani zinkulu othetha ngazo, ewe, zenza izinto ezininzi ezimbi, kodwa zinamandla amaninzi, kwaye ziyawasebenzisa loo mandla. Basebenzisa elo gunya kubasebenzi babo. Bayisebenzisa phezu kwabathengi babo, phezu koluntu apho bakhoyo, naphezu korhulumente eWashington. Lurhwaphilizo olo, olunyulu nolulula. Kwaye kufuneka siyibize kwaye silwe. Into endifuna ukuyenza ngomhla wokuqala njengomongameli, umthetho endifuna ukuwutyhala ngawo ngumthetho ochasene norhwaphilizo. Ndifuna ukungena apho kwaye ndilwe neenkampani zeoyile, abangcolisi abakhulu, kuba nantsi into. Nabani na oza apha aze akuxelele ngezicwangciso zabo zemozulu, ongenalo isicwangciso sokulwa urhwaphilizo, ongenalo isicwangciso sokubetha umva impembelelo yemali eWashington, ayinzulu. Owu, siyakugqibezela ngesicwangciso esinegama elihle elinje โLicocwe iLizwe lonke kwaye ngoku Ligcwele iiUnicorns kunye namaGcuwa,โ kodwa eyona nto iza kuyenza kukuqhubeka nokukrola okwaneleyo ukuze iingeniso ziqhubeke nokuhamba. kubantu abafanayo abafumana ezo ngeniso ngoku. Ke, ndilapha phandle ukulwa nobu rhwaphilizo. Elo kufuneka libe linyathelo lokuqala, kukubalandela. Ndiza -
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Ngaba abaphathi beenkampani abangcolisa kufuneka baye entolongweni?
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Ukuba benza ububi ebantwini, kufuneka bathwale uxanduva. Kwaye eneneni ndinayo i-bill esele ikule. Akufanele ukwazi ukuhamba kude nokwenzakala okwenzayo. Akukho mntu ufanele akwazi ukwenza oko eUnited States.
Sinengxaki ngoku kweli lizwe. Kwaye ingxaki esinayo ngamandla amaninzi agxininiswe kwizandla zezityebi kunye nabanxibelelene kakuhle. Kwaye bayisebenzisa yonke imihla ukugcina iWashington kanye apho bafuna khona. Uyazi, ayisiyiyo kuphela into eyenziwe nguDonald Trump kunye ne-Arhente yoKhuseleko lweNdalo. Kumashumi eminyaka oku. Abantu bathetha ngeWashington engasebenziyo. Puh! IWashington isebenza kakuhle - ukuba usisityebi! IWashington isebenza kakuhle - ukuba uqhuba iqumrhu elikhulu.
Qonda, xa olu lawulo lwalufuna ukwenza into - ukucuthwa kwerhafu kubanikezeli babo abakhulu - uyazi ukuba bathathe ixesha elingakanani? Iiveki ezintlanu. Bangena emva kweengcango ezivaliweyo kunye nabaxhasi babo abakhulu kunye nabaxhasi, babhala umthetho oyilwayo, kwaye bawugqithisa, kwaye i-trillion-enesiqingatha seedola zaphuma ngomnyango, ubukhulu becala kumaqumrhu amakhulu nakubantu abazizityebi. Bayazi indlela yokwenza into ethile.
Xa kungekho nto yenziwayo kwimozulu, xa kungekho nto yenziwayo kukhuseleko lwemipu, xa kungekho nto yenziwayo ngeendleko zamayeza abhalwe ngugqirha, zibuze ukuba ngubani ozuzayo koko. Kunene? Lushishino lwemipu. Ngabangcolisi. Lishishini lokwemba. Lishishini lamachiza. Bafumana iWashington abayifunayo. Yintoni i-2020 emalunga nayo lixesha lokuba sifumane iWashington esebenzela abantu, hayi leyo isebenzela amaqumrhu amakhulu. Ewe.
UMUSTAFA ALI: USenator Warren, siza kuya kumbuzo ovela komnye wabafundi bethu.
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Kuqiniseke.
UMUSTAFA ALI: Ke, ukuba uVladmire Haynes unokuza ngaphambili abuze umbuzo wakho kuSenator Warren?
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Ndiyavuya ukubona.
VLADMIRE UHAYNES: Mholo. Icomo estas?
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Ndilungile.
VLADMIRE UHAYNES: NdinguVladmire Haynes. Umbuzo wam kuwe, uSenator Warren, ngulo: Ungaqinisekisa njani ukuba akukho luntu luya kusala ngasemva xa kufikwa kumlo wokungabikho kokusesikweni kokusingqongileyo? Kwaye ndingumsebenzi omncinci kwishishini lezolimo, kwaye ndililungu le I-SCSU iqela lebhola ekhatywayo.
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Yhuu! Yeyiphi indawo oyidlalayo?
VLADMIRE UHAYNES: I-Fullback kunye nesiphelo esiqinileyo.
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Konke kulungile! Konke kulungile! Kuhle ukukubona, kwaye ngumbuzo olungileyo.
Ndicinga ukuba indlela esenza ngayo kukwenza izibophelelo ezithile. Asinako ukwenza ubulungisa bendalo esingqongileyo ibe yingcamango nje. Kufuneka ibe yinxalenye yoyilo lwethu lwemozulu ukusuka ekuqaleni. Ke, ngokuyinxenye, yiyo le nto ndithetha ngokuzibophelela, ukuzibophelela kwezemali, okuya kuluntu oluphambili nolubiyelweyo. Ngokuyinxenye, yiyo loo nto ndithetha ngokuzibophelela kwizizwe zethu zoMthonyama waseMelika kunye nolawulo lwazo kungekuphela nje kwizizwe zabo, kodwa kwimihlaba ekufuphi kubo, kuba yiloo nto efunekayo ukukhusela uMhlaba wethu. Ngokuyinxenye, imalunga nokuhlasela imiba yezempilo, iza kule nto isuka kwelinye icala, ukuze siqale ukuyijonga le njengengxaki yezempilo yoluntu kwaye siyayiphakamisa. Ndicinga ukuba, kwimeko nganye, okukhona sinokuthi sizise ingqwalasela engakumbi kunye nezalathiso ezingakumbi, yindlela esiqinisekisa ngayo ukuba abahlali ebebechaphazeleke kakhulu abashiyeki ngasemva.
Yiyo loo nto, njengomongameli, ndifuna ukwenza oku kube yinxalenye yento endiyenzayo kwi-White House. Andiyifuni into yokuba abantu bangene nje - kwaye ngendlela, kufuneka ndongeze kuloo nto, ndifuna ukuyenza yinxalenye yento eyenziwa yi-arhente. Ke, ndifuna ii-arhente zethu, ndifuna abalawuli bethu beebhanki, bacinge ngomngcipheko wemozulu. Khawucinge ngaloo nto. Ndifuna ukuba bacinge ngaloo nto. Ndifuna i- ndifuna iSebe lethu lezabasebenzi licinge ukuba lithetha ukuthini. Ulawulo lukaTrump lubuyisele umva ukhuseleko kubantu abasebenza kwiindawo eziyingozi, into abayiphefumlayo, luhlobo luni lweekhemikhali abachaneke kuzo. Ndifuna ukuba isebe ngalinye ngalinye libe nomntu ongaphezulu, kufutshane phezulu, ocinga ngefuthe lemeko yendalo esingqongileyo, yintoni evunywa yile arhente, inoxanduva lalo mbutho, kwaye lithetha ukuthini uluntu oluchaphazeleka kakhulu. Sidinga utshintsho oluninzi, utshintsho olukhulu, kodwa ndiyakholelwa ukuba singakwenza oku kunye. Le yenye yezi imalunga nobunkokeli phezulu, kwaye imalunga noluntu olunamandla emazantsi kulo lonke eli lizwe. Yiloo ndlela esenza ngayo utshintsho.
UMUSTAFA ALI: USenator Warren, umbuzo nje okhawulezayo. Ke, uninzi lolona luntu lwethu lusemngciphekweni luthuthunjiswa.
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Ewe.
UMUSTAFA ALI: Ziyandiswa kwiimpembelelo zokutshintsha kwemozulu. Baye benziwa gentrified ngengubo yokuvuselela. Ungenza ntoni malunga noku kufuduswa okuqhubekayo ukwenzeka?
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Ke, ndingayenza le - ndizakuqala kwizindlu, kuba le yeyona ndawo inkulu. Sinengxaki yezindlu kweli lizwe. I-gentrification ngokuqinisekileyo yinxalenye yayo, kodwa cinga ngayo kumxholo omkhulu. Kwizizukulwana ezibini ezidluleyo, wawuphi umthombo wezindlu ezitsha zeentsapho ezisebenzayo, ezihlelelekileyo ezisebenzayo, zamahlwempu? Yayiphi? Ubuneendawo ezimbini. Abanye yayingabaphuhlisi babucala. Azisekho apho. Abakhi loo ndlu; bakha McMansions. Kwaye andibaqumbelanga; kulapho iinzuzo zabo zikhoyo. Kodwa bayishiyile indawo. Ndikhulele kwindlu enamagumbi amabini, enebhafu enye. Yayikuluhlu lokugqibela lwe- - isitalato sokugqibela eNorman, Oklahoma. Igaraji yayiguqulwe yaba ligumbi lokulala labantakwethu abathathu. Akusekho mntu uyayakha loo ndlu. Akukho baphuhlisi babucala.
Inxalenye yesibini ngurhulumente womanyano, owayefudula empompa imali kwizindlu kwaye uye waxhasa kakhulu kuloo nto. Ke, ndinesicwangciso saloo nto. Kwaye oko kukwakha malunga ne-3.2 yezigidi zezindlu ezintsha kulo lonke elaseMelika. Sifuna izindlu ezininzi eMelika. Kwaye le yindlu yeentsapho ezisebenzayo. Yindlu yabantu abangathathi ntweni. Yizindlu zamahlwempu. Yindlu yabantu abangenamakhaya. Yizindlu zabantu abadala abafuna ukukwazi ukuguga endaweni. Yizindlu zabantu abakhubazekileyo abafuna izindlu ezixhotyiswe ngokukodwa. Yizindlu zabantu ababuya entolongweni nabadinga indawo yokuhlala. Kufuneka sakhe izindlu ezininzi kweli lizwe. Uhlalutyo oluzimeleyo lubonisa ukuba isicwangciso sam siya kunciphisa irenti kwilizwe lonke malunga ne-10%. Kwaye into abayenzayo kukuvumela abantu - kufuneka sizihlisele ezi zinto eluntwini. Bavumela abantu ukuba bahlale kwiindawo zokuhlala. Bavumela abantu ukuba babe nezindlu ezitsha kwezo ndawo, izindlu abanokuthi bazihlawule kwaye babe yinxalenye yazo.
Kwaye ke, enye inxalenye encinci, xa uthetha ngezindlu, yindima edlalwa yizindlu kubutyebi. Uyazi, isicwangciso sokugcina inani elinye eMelika kukuthenga indlu, kwiintsapho ezikumgangatho ophakathi. Isicwangciso sokuqala somhlalaphantsi, hlala endlwini yakho kwaye uzame ukuyihlawula kwaye uphile kuKhuseleko lweNtlalo yakho xa uthatha umhlala-phantsi. Yeyona ndlela-indlela ubutyebi obusasazwa ngayo ukusuka kwesinye isizukulwana ukuya kwesinye. Ukuba umakhulu notatomkhulu banokubambelela endlwini bade badlule, kukho into apho abantwana nabazukulwana kunye nezizukulwana. Ngoko ke akufanele kumangalise ukuba kwizizukulwana ngezizukulwana urhulumente waseMelika, urhulumente wobumbano, waxhasa ngemali ukuthengwa kwezindlu zabantu abamhlophe yaye ecalula ukuthengwa kwezindlu zabantu abamnyama. Ibizwa ngokuba redlinging. Kwaye kwadala umsantsa wobutyebi bomntu omnyama osaqhubeka unanamhla oku ngenxa yeziphumo zesizukulwana, kwakunye nokwenzeka kolu luntu.
Ke, isicwangciso sam sezindlu asikho malunga nezigidi ezi-3.2 zezindlu ezintsha kulo lonke ilizwe, kwiindawo ezincinci kunye nezixeko ezikhulu kulo lonke elaseMelika. Ikwathi kufuneka sime kwaye siqonde ubuhlanga bento eyenzekileyo apha. Ke, ndinoncedo lokuqala lokuthenga ikhaya kubantu abahlala kwiindawo ezazifudula zihlaziywa, kunye nabantu ababechongiwe ngexesha lentlekele yezemali kwaye baphulukana namakhaya abo, ke sinika abantu ithuba lokubuyela kwinqanaba. Asikwazi ukuqhubeka siyipasisa le mithetho ingathathi cala ngobuhlanga ebusweni babo, apho sithi, "Owu, izindlu ezifanayo kumntu wonke." Kuya kufuneka sivume iimpazamo ezidlulileyo ezisavakala nanamhlanje, ucalucalulo olusemthethweni lwangaphambili lorhulumente wase-United States olusavakala nanamhlanje, kwaye kufuneka sithathe amanyathelo ukulungisa oko. Kwaye yiloo nto isicwangciso sam sendlu malunga nayo.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: USenator uWarren, imizuzwana engama-30 nje eseleyo. Kodwa xa sithetha ngokungabikho kokusesikweni ngokobuhlanga, ucinga ukuba ulungelelwaniso lwamazwe aphambili kufuneka lutshintshe? Une-Iowa kunye neNew Hampshire-
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Yima, ndiyeke-ndiyeke-ngaphambi kokuba ugqibe, ngaba ngokwenene uza kundicela ukuba ndihlale apha kwaye ndigxeke i-Iowa neNew Hampshire?
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Hayi, ndibuza ngomyalelo.
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Hayi, yile nto i-Iowa ne-New Hampshire zimalunga nazo.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Kodwa mandibuze nje. Ngamazwe amabini amhlophe kweli lizwe, kwaye emva koko sifudukela eMzantsi Carolina enabemi ababaluleke kakhulu bebala, kwaye oko kuthetha ukuba abaviwa bachitha ixesha labo elininzi belungiselela loo mazwe mabini okuqala. Lilonke, ucinga ukuba oko kufanele kutshintshe?
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Jonga, ndingumdlali nje kumdlalo kule. Kwaye ndonwabile ukuba seSouth Carolina. Enkosi.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Enkosi kakhulu.
UMUSTAFA ALI: Enkosi, Senator.
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Ndiyavuya ukubona.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Enkosi.
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Ewe.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Umgqatswa kamongameli wowama-2020, uSenator u-Elizabeth Warren, ethetha kwiQonga lokuqala likaMongameli lokusiNgqongileyo ngolweSihlanu ebusuku. Ndimodareyitha iforum kunye neyangaphambili EPA igosa likaMustafa Santiago Ali. Yayisingathwe yi NBCSL. Leyo yiCaucus yeSizwe yabaMnyama beNdlu yoWiso-mthetho. Yenzeka kwiYunivesithi yaseSouth Carolina State eOrangeburg, indawo yendyikityha yokufa ngo-1968 eOrangeburg. USenator Cory Booker, uTom Steyer, uMarianne Williamson, uJohn Delaney kunye noJoe Sestak nabo bathathe inxaxheba kwiforamu. Ndwendwela idemocracynow.org ukuze ubone isiganeko esipheleleyo. Yabelana nabahlobo bakho kuFacebook, Twitter, Instagram. Umbulelo okhethekileyo kuMiriam Barnard, uDenis Moynihan, uJohn Hamilton, uLibby Rainey kunye noCarla Wills. NdinguAmy Goodman. Enkosi kakhulu ngokuzimanya nathi.
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