Z UMxhasi: Andazi ngenene malunga nokuba uthetha ukuthini xa ubhekisa kwi "declassified
irekhodi." Nokuba yintoni na obhekisa kuyo ngokucacileyo yinto engakholelekiyo
ubutyebi obuxabisekileyo. Ngokuphindaphindiweyo, ndikubonile uveza okumangalisayo kwaye kakhulu
izibakala ezikhanyisayo, ecaphula le "rekhodi declassified." Ndiyaqonda ukuba ayisiyiyo
umthombo omnye (umzekelo, zonke iimemoranda ukusuka kuye nawuphi na unobhala welizwe ukuya kuye nawuphi na
umongameli). Andazi ukuba mangaphi amaxwebhu ahlelwa yi-US
urhulumente kunyaka ophakathi, kodwa ndicinga ukuba kuya kuthatha enye
umntu ngaphezu kobomi bonke ukufunda nokuba unyaka omnye. Ayinakuba nguwe lo
funda nje yonke into eyenziwa ngurhulumente wobumbano. Wenza njani
uyazi ukuba ufunde ntoni? Ngaba iintatheli, izifundiswa, njl.njl. Bayazi njani into emayibuze kuyo
Izicelo ze-FOIA, xa (njengomcimbi wengqiqo) zingenayo into ethile
uxwebhu okanye nokuba ikhona? Ngaba yonke into ivele ihlaziywe emva kokuba
isizukulwana okanye ezibini? Kuthekani ngolawulo lukaBush (ngokungekho mthethweni?)
amaxwebhu okuhlelwa ngokutsha?
UNoam Chomsky: Kukho inkqubo esemthethweni yokwahlulwahlulwa, eqhutywa ngu
ababhali-mbali ngokunxulumene iSebe likaRhulumente. Bona
ukuphonononga amaxwebhu azo zonke ii-arhente zikarhulumente ezivumela oko (i
I-CIA, umzekelo, ihlala ingenzi), kwaye yenza isigqibo sokuba yeyiphi
khulula. Ngokwethiyori, kunjalo kwenzeka emva kweminyaka engama-30.
Enyanisweni, ixesha elide. Ingxelo ibizwa ngokuba ngaPhandle
Ubudlelwane baseUnited States. Ifumaneka kuyo nayiphi na into elungileyo
ilayibrari yophando (njenge iiyunivesithi), kwaye ngoku zininzi
kwi-intanethi.
Ukongeza, urhulumente uhlala echaza amaxwebhu. Pha
kukuba, ubuncinane kusetyenziswa ukuba, uluhlu lokupapasha rhoqo
amaxwebhu angachazwanga.
Umntu unokufumana amaxwebhu ngoMthetho weNkululeko yoLwazi,
okanye ngophando kumathala eencwadi kamongameli kunye nolunye uvimba
imithombo. Ngumsebenzi omninzi lowo
Ulawulo luyahluka ngoko lukulungeleyo ukulukhulula. I
ebizwa ngokuba "Abagcini bezinto," ichaneke ngakumbi i-statist
reactionaries, zezona zimbi. IReagan ulawulo olubangele
ihlazo elikhulu ngokungafuni ukukhulula, mhlawumbi ukutshabalalisa,
amaxwebhu ngokubhukuqwa koorhulumente base-Iran kunye
IGuatemala ekuqaleni kwe50s. Oko kuye kwakhokelela ekubeni
Ukurhoxa kweSebe likaRhulumente
ababhali bembali, kunye nokuqhushumba kwiijenali zobungcali kunye
ngamanye amaxesha nkqu noshicilelo. Ndiyacinga ulawulo lukaBush lunokuthi
babe ngowokuqala "ukuhlela ngokutsha" amaxwebhu, kwaye bahlawulisiwe
(Andikhange ndijonge ngenyameko) ngokwala ukukhulula
amaxwebhu eminyaka kaJohnson.
I-99% yayo iyadika, kodwa kukho iinuggets. Wazi kanjani
ukuba ufunde ntoni kwaye Njonga i? Kunokuba ubuze kwikhemisti
into omawuyijonge kumawaka amaphepha obugcisa agalelayo
ngaphandle, okanye kwimifuniselo engenakubalwa enokwenziwa? Sinjalo
bonke bonganyelwe ngunogumbe wedatha, kwaye banokufumanisa ukuba yintoni
kubalulekile kuphela ngokuphuhlisa isakhelo sokuqonda kunye
ukuqonda, nokuba kukwiisayensi ezinzima okanye imihla ngemihla
ubomi. Akukho maqhinga akhethekileyo.
Z UMxhasi: Ndingathanda ukuba ungandiphendula kwakhona ngokubanzi, hayi nje
ithintelwe "kwirekhodi engachazwanga." Ufumana phi malunga, kuba
umzekelo, kwaye lo ngumzekelo kuphela, iinkcukacha malunga nezindululo zozakuzo
ezenziwe phakathi kwe-US kunye norhulumente waseMilosevic, hayi ngoku kodwa ngoku
ixesha lengxaki yayiqhubeka?
UNoam Chomsky: Into endayixelayo yayilulwazi loluntu, kanye ngelo xesha, eyathi
iphephandaba lalile ingxelo, umz, malunga nezindululo zaseSerbia
ukuhlaliswa kwezozakuzo ngobusuku bangaphambi kwe ibhombu, kodwa kakhulu
Kaninzi. Kukho okuninzi okukhoyo kwirekhodi yoluntu, kodwa umntu kufuneka enze njalo
khangela ukuyifumana.
Z UMxhasi: Ndiyaqonda ukuba uqhagamshelwe kakhulu kuthungelwano lwengqondo efanayo
izifundiswa, amatsha ntliziyo kunye neentatheli. Andibhekiseli kuloo nto (ubukhulu becala). Ndim
ukuthetha ngemithombo ephambili echaza iinyani ezihlazisayo
ukusekwa, ngokwenene kuvunywe ephepheni ngokusekwa; egqibelele
Umzekelo endiwaziyo yiseti yeememoranda zeBhunga loKhuseleko lweSizwe.
UNoam Chomsky: Kuyinyani ukuba ekuhambeni kweminyaka umntu uphuhlisa abafowunelwa bomntu, kodwa
akukho mfuneko yakubaxa. Inethiwekhi endiqhagamshelwe kuyo idlula kakhulu
ngento onokuyifunda kwiZnet. Iimemoranda zokuqala ze-NSC zacalulwa,
ngokuqhelekileyo emva kwento efana nesithuba seminyaka engama-30. Kodwa abafundanga kakhulu,
nakwi-scholarship rhoqo, kwaye abafane bayenze kuluntu ngokubanzi. Nje
ukunika umzekelo, omnye weyona mibuzo ibalulekileyo malunga nemfazwe yasemva kwemfazwe
ixesha yirekhodi yamaxwebhu malunga neTshayina. Basesidlangalaleni
the 60s, ubukhulu becala, kodwa incwadi yokuqala ngokwenene nzulu malunga "NSC
Culture" njengoko kutyhilwe kumaxwebhu isandula kuphuma, isifundo esinomdla ngo
UJames Peck, isifundiswa esihle saseTshayina, wabiza eWashington
iTshayina.
Z UMxhasi: Ngaba zonke ezi zinto ziyafumaneka nakweliphi na ithala leencwadi leyunivesithi elinesidima
e-US?
UNoam Chomsky: Awona macandelo abalulekileyo, okanye anokufunyanwa ngonxibelelwano lwamathala eencwadi
mboleko okanye ngoku, kwi-intanethi.
I-ZNetwork ixhaswa ngemali kuphela ngesisa sabafundi bayo.
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