Janine Jackson akabvunzurudza Dave Zirin nezve Dare Repamusorosoro remunamato wenhabvu Chikunguru 1, 2022, chikamu of CounterSpin. Ichi chinyorwa chakapepetwa zvishoma.
Janine Jackson: Tichiri kubva pakubirwa kwekuzvitonga kwemuviri kubva pahafu yehuwandu hwevanhu, dare repamusoro-rinotungamirwa neDare Repamusorosoro rakapa mamwe matambudziko kumisimboti inofungidzirwa nevakawanda kuti yakavimbiswa.
In Kennedy v. Bremerton, mutongo we6-3 wakatara kuti Washington state high school mutevedzeri wemurairidzi wenhabvu Joseph Kennedy aive nekodzero yekunamatira mukamuri yekukiya uye panhandare. Uye neiko munhu achifanira kunyimwa maruramiro ake kuizvo Dare rakarondedzera somuitiro “upfupi,” “womunhu oga,” “womunhu oga” wezvitendero zvake zvorudzidziso?
Sezvo muenzi wedu nevamwe vanoda kuti tinzwisise, mutongo wedare unoenderana nenganonyorwa isingaenderane nezviripo, uye wakanyanya kushoma nezverusununguko pane kumanikidza.
Dave Zirin ndiye mutambo mupepeti at The Nation uye mutariri we Mhedziso Yemitambo Podcast. Iye zvakare munyori weakawanda mabhuku ezvemitambo uye kupindirana kwavo nenhoroondo, zvematongerwo enyika uye kururamisira munharaunda, kusanganisira Zita rangu ndiani, Benzi? Mitambo uye Kupokana muUnited States, uye, munguva pfupi yapfuura, Iyo Kaepernick Effect: Kutora Ibvi, Kuchinja Nyika, yabuda zvino kubva New Press.
Anobatana nesu zvino nerunhare kubva kuTakoma Park. Welcome back to CounterSpin, Dave Zirin.
Dave Zirin: Oh, zvakanaka kuva pano. Ndinotenda zvikuru nekundiwanira.
JJ: Ndinonzwa kudziya kudzika chikamu chako pane izvi. Uye ini ndinofunga imhaka yehushingi hwekunyepa kwemutongo uyu, nezve basa remunamato wemurairidzi kazhinji, asi kunyanya nezve Kennedy. Iwe unoti mutongo uyu hausi kubva pane zvatavhura. Saka pamwe ngatitangirei ipapo.
DZ: Heino nyaya; i cliche, asi ichokwadi: Iwe une kodzero yekufunga kwako pachako, asi hauna kodzero yezvako pachako chokwadi. Uye muchisarudzo chakanyorwa neSupreme Court Justice Gorsuch, aivimba nezvake pachake. Ngatizviisei zviri nyore: Akanyepa pakutsanangura zvakaitika munyaya yacho.
Uye hechino chinhu: Murairidzi Kennedy anga asiri kuenda, sekunyora kunoita Gorsuch, achinamata ari ega. Haana kurega kuita izvi chinyararire, uye haana kudzingwa basa. Saka vakapenda rondedzero yemurairidzi uyu aitsvaga kona yakanyarara kuti anamate uyezve bhodhi rechikoro iri, aine maforogo nematochi muruoko, achimanikidza Kennedy kubva pabasa rake.
Hapana chimwe cheizvi chakaitika. Zvakaitwa naKennedy mukunamatira mukamuri rokubikira, uyezve zvikurukuru minamato yake pashure pomutambo munhandare, yakanga iri kukweva vatambi kuti vamukomberedze mumunamato, vachikumbira vatambi kuita zvipupuriro pamusoro paMwari. Zvese izvi zvinogadzira maelstrom epressure yevatambi yakadai, zvekuti kana wadzika nemurairidzi wako, unonamata nemurairidzi wako. Uye kana usiri pasi nazvo, saka, hee, wakasununguka kuti usanamata nemurairidzi, asi chero munhu akambotamba mitambo yechikoro chesekondari anoziva kuti kana ukasaita zvinotaurwa nemurairidzi, kunyanya mukuzvitonga. mutambo wakafanana nenhabvu, uchabhadhara mutengo waizvozvo.
Iwe uchabhadhara mutengo wayo, ingave iri maererano nekutamba nguva kana, pamwe zvakatonyanya kuipa kune chesekondari chikamu, iwe unozobhadhara mutengo wayo maererano nekuve kunze, maererano nekuonekwa. sekuvhiringidza kwekamuri yekukiya, kana kutonyanya kuipa mukutaura kwemitambo, kenza yemukamuri yekukiya.
Uye ndizvo zvakataurwa neDare Repamusorosoro kuti zvino zvinogona kuitika, inzira yekudheerera mumitambo yechikoro chepamusoro kuita kuti vatambi vanzwe vachimanikidzwa kunamata nemurairidzi wavo, uye hazvina musoro. Hazvina maturo zvachose. Uye ndakawana mhinduro zhinji kubva kuvanhu, kusanganisira matani enyaya pamusoro pezvazvaive zvakaita kutamba mitambo yechikoro chepamusoro kuzvikoro zvakazvimiririra kana zvechitendero, uye dhigirii rekumanikidzwa kwevezera rechitendero kwaizoitika, uye kuti zvaizobvisa sei, bvisa uye nezvimwe zvese.
Uye ndinofanira kuwedzera kuti tinenge tisina maturo zvachose kana tisina kungoona iyi senyaya yemunamato, asi izvi ndezvemunamato wechiKristu. Senge dai murairidzi anga ari muJudha, muMuslim, muHindu, chero chaunoda, chiShinto, kana kuti waida kuita munamato wekusatenda Mwari zvisati zvaitika, paizova nemhinduro yakasiyana zvikuru kubva kuDare iri pane chiKristu, nokuti Dare iri rakaratidza kuti rinodadisa hukama nemhando yeChristofascism iyo inokurumidza kukunda maitiro ekutonga eUnited States, kana kwete vanhu pachavo.
JJ: Uye kungosimbisa iyo pfungwa yerondedzero yenhema, Danny Westneat mune Seattle Times, padyo nenyaya yacho, akanyora nyaya maakanga achitaura, sezvawataura, kuti Kennedy akazvitsanangura. Akataura kuti akafemerwa kuti atange minamato yepakati iyi mushure mekunge aona bhaisikopo rechiKristu revhangeri rinonzi Kutarisana neHofori, umo chikwata chinokundwa chinowana Mwari, Mwari wechiKristu, uye ozoenderera mberi kuhwina makwikwi ehurumende.
Saka iyo pfungwa yekuti aiedza kutsvaga nzvimbo yega yega yekuti anamate ari ega, uye kuti ainyimwa izvozvo, ichokwadi zvachose.
DZ: Uye ndingataure chimwe chinhu here? Dunhu rechikoro — uye ndinotaura izvi semumwe munhu akafona, akataura nevanhu, handisi kungotaura izvi nechinangwa cherondedzero yangu — vakaedza nepapi kuyedza kugarisa Murairidzi Kennedy. Vakaita nhamburiko dzose dzokumugadzirira nzvimbo dzokunamatira.
Uye ivo havana kumudzinga apo iye akadzokorora uye akadzokororazve kufuratira zvavaida kutaura, achirovera mhuno yake pane zvavaida kutaura. Tarisai, mudzimai wangu mudzidzisi, uye dai akarovera mhino nemhino yake pamitemo yedunhu kusvika padanho raiitwa naCoach Kennedy, angadai akazviwana apererwa nebasa.
Zvino, Murairidzi Kennedy, achirovazve mhino yake pane zvavari kutaura kwaari, uye pakupedzisira, unoziva zvavakaita, havana kumudzinga. Vakamumisa basa nemuhoro, nemukana wekukumbirazve basa rake, uye pamwe nekuti ndinofunga vakaziva kuti bhatani raipisa sei.
Vakaita nhamburiko dzese kuedza kutaridzika seshamwari mukuyedza kufunga izvi. Uye ivo vaida kutaridzika senge isu tinoda kubatana newe kuti tiwane mhinduro inobatsira uye inoita kuti munhu wese anzwe aine chokwadi.
Uye ndinofunga zvavakadzidza, izvo zvandinofunga kuti vazhinji vedu tinofanira kudzidza, ndezvekuti kune bato rezvematongerwo enyika munyika ino riri kutambira kuchengetedza. Havana basa kuti unenge wakanaka sei pamusoro pazvo. Havana basa kana iwe uchida kusangana navo pakati. Havasi kuedza kuwana chimedu chikuru chepai. Vari kuedza kutora bakery izvozvi.
Uye ndinofunga nekukurumidza kwatinoziva kuti zvirinani, nekuti vanhu vazhinji mumakoridho ekutonga eDemocratic Party vanoita kunge vasina kuwana memo.
JJ: Izvo zvakakosha kuti zvibatane nemitambo uye nemitambo pano, izvo zvandinofunga kuti zvinoita kuti ive munzvimbo yakasiyana muhuropi hwevamwe vanhu. Kutonga uku, kunokuvadza, hongu, nekuda kwezvikonzero zvakawanda, asi chikamu chayo kugona kwevanhu vane ruzhinji nhandare yekutaura zvinonetsa mune zvematongerwo enyika kana zvemagariro, vangave vari vatambi kana vaimbi kana maartist, yakarongedzwa zvakasiyana zvichienderana ndivanaani uye zvavari kutaura.
DZ: Chaizvoizvo.
JJ: Zvine hukama, asi kana ndikakwanisa kukuchinjisa, iwe wakanyora nezvaMuhammad Ali, nezvaColin Kaepernick. Zvagara zviri chokwadi kuti pave nerudzi rwechipurisa chezvinogona kutaurwa nevanhu, kana zvichinge zvasarudzwa kuti vari kunze kwemaonero avo.
DZ: Ehe. Kana ndaigona kutaura chimwe chinhu pamusoro pazvo, ndakanyora bhuku rino Iyo Kaepernick Effect. Ndakabvunzurudza vakawanda vechidiki, vazhinji vavo vari kuchikoro chesekondari, vakatora ibvi, uye vaigara vachiiswa pasi pemarudzi ese ekudzingwa, vakasundidzirwa kunze kwechikwata, vachiita kuti vanzwe vadzingwa muchikwata, kazhinji vachirairwa neboka. coach.
Uye ini ndinofunga chimwe chezvinhu chatinofanira kubata nacho ndechekuti mhando yehukasha inotungamirwa neDare Repamusorosoro-inotungamirwa nechiKristu ndeyezvematongerwo enyika. Nekuti vanhu vanoti, zvakanaka, ndezvekunamata chete, zviri kuitwa nemurairidzi. Kutora ibvi panguva yerwiyo, icho chiito chezvematongerwo enyika, uye zvematongerwo enyika hazvina nzvimbo mumitambo.
Unofunga kuti hazvisi zvematongerwo enyika here kuti murairidzi uyu ari kuzvidza dunhu rechikoro nguva nenguva, ari kukwevera vadzidzi mudenderedzwa remunamato nguva nenguva, ari kurova mhino dzake nekunetseka kwevabereki nguva nenguva, uye ikozvino, uye ndinoshuva. Ini ndinogona kubheja mari pane izvi, ndichave ndiri pabapiro rekurudyi chitima pamwe kwemakore gumi anotevera, ndichiita hurukuro nguva nenguva, uye pamwe pachazove neimwe yeaya mafirimu eHollywood anongori chikamu chidiki chehuwandu. anoona, ane nyeredzi, ini handizive, Gina Carano naKevin Sorbo, chero, vatambi vanotora nzvimbo iyoyo.
Uye ndinofunga tinofanira kuziva kuti masoja echiKristu anoenderera mberi, senge, harisi rwiyo kwavari. Iri isangano ravari kuyedza kuvaka, uye kuyedza kushandira pamwe nekuona mhinduro dzakajairika ndinofunga kuti richava basa rakaoma kwazvo, nekuti ziso ravo harisi pakuyananisa.
JJ: Zvakanaka, zvakanaka. Maita basa nazvo. Uye ndichakuregai muchienda, asi ndiinemi, handigoni kuramba. Zvanhasi New York Times:
Mushure memwedzi inodarika mina mushure mekuvharirwa kekutanga, mutambi weWNBA Brittney Griner ari kutarisirwa kumiswa pamberi pedare reRussia neChishanu kuti atange kutongwa nemhosva yezvinodhaka izvo nyanzvi dzemutemo dzakati zvese zvaitoda kupera mutongo, kunyangwe mhere-mhere muUnited States kuti asunungurwe.
Ndinoziva kuti ndiri kubvunza zvakawanda munguva pfupi, asi ndinoziva kuti kune vazhinji vateereri vanotevera midhiya zvakanyanya, ivo vachati, "Mira, kwakaitika mheremhere muUnited States yeBrittney Griner's. kusunungurwa? Mira, Brittney Griner ndiani?" Kufunga nezvazvo?
DZ: Tinoda mhere-mhere yakakura, ndiyo pfungwa yangu yekutanga. Brittney Griner inyanzvi yeWNBA. Dai zita rake riri Tom Brady kana Steph Curry, paizova nezuva rekuita renyika kuedza kuvasunungura kubva mujeri reRussia.
Ndiri kureva, Brittney Griner musungwa wezvematongerwo enyika, usaite chikanganiso nezvazvo.
JJ: MuRussia, muRussia-isu tine hanya neRussia, handiti?
DZ: Ehe. Kutarisana ne10 makore kujeri, makore mashanu kubasa kuseri kwemabhawa. Ndinoreva, izvi hazvina chokuita nemishonga. Ndine kukahadzika kwakakomba mumhosva pakutanga. Izvi ndezveUkraine. Izvi ndezvekuisa zvematongerwo enyika. Izvi ndezvehondo nyowani inotonhora yatiri kubata naPutin.
Uye izvi ndezvekuedza kuburitsa vasungwa vezvematongerwo enyika kubva kuUnited States, vari veRussia, mukutsinhana, uye ndinofunga isu tinofanirwa kumanikidza kuDhipatimendi redu reHurumende kuti kuunza Brittney Griner kumba kunofanirwa kuve kwekutanga.
Chiri kunetsa kushushikana kuri kuita Brittney Griner, nekuti mumhanyi wechikadzi, nekuti anobva munharaunda yeLGBTQ, nekuti anoratidza neimwe nzira, kuti haasi kuwana kufukidzwa kana kutariswa kwaaizowana.
Uye ndinofunga kuti ndicho chimwe chezvinhu chatinofanirawo kurwisa. Hakusi chete kusaruramisira muRussia; ndezvekumira kusarongeka nerusarura pano pamusha.
JJ: Tanga tichitaura naDave Zirin. Mupepeti wezvemitambo pa The Nation, uye iwe unogona kutevera basa rake pa EdgeOfSports.com. Dave Zirin, ndinokutendai zvikuru nekubatana nesu svondo rino CounterSpin.
DZ: Ndatenda nekundiwanira. Ndinoonga chaizvo.
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