Janine Jackson: Welcome to CounterSpin, kutarisa kwako kwevhiki nevhiki seri kwemisoro yenhau dzenhau. Ndiri Janine Jackson. Svondo rino pa CounterSpin: Zvakanaka, tiri pano. Zvakawanda zvinogona uye zvinoda uye zvinofanirwa kutaurwa nezve, hongu, sarudzo yemutungamiri wenyika, hongu, Donald Trump-kusanganisira nezvebasa renhau. Pane iyi yekutanga mushure mesarudzo, isu tichatarisa pamubvunzo wekuti: Chii ikozvino? Kwete kutaura kuti kusvika kwatakaita pano hakuna kukosha - ndizvo chaizvo - asi kutibatsira kuti tirambe tiri pamberi uye pakati pekuti chinangwa chekufungisisa nekushoropodza ndechekuwedzera kugona kwedu kushandura zvinhu.
Saka, zvakawanda zvichauya, asi svondo rino, chii ikozvino chekuvandudzwa kwesarudzo uye mutsauko wekongiresi, kune zvakatipoteredza, kune maMuslim-America nevamwe vakaiswa panjodzi neinonzi Hondo Yehugandanga munzvimbo dzayo dzepamba nedzepasirese? Tichanzwa kubva kuna Rob Richie naCynthia Terrell kubva kuFairVote, kubva kumunyori uye purofesa Deepa Kumar, kubva kuna Phyllis Bennis weInstitute for Policy Studies, uye naPatty Lovera kubva kuChikafu uye Mvura Watch. Vese vari kuuya, asi tanga watarisa muchidimbu kumashure enhau ichangoburwa
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Janine Jackson: Pane zvidzidzo zvakawanda zvichatorwa kubva musarudzo yemutungamiri wenyika yemuna 2016 pamusoro pekuti kumwe kusawirirana kusingataurwi munyika kungave sei pakati pevakakatyamadzwa nevasina kuvhunduka, nezvekusadzikisirwa kwerusaruraganda nekusarurana kwevanhukadzi, uye kubatana pakati pezvinhu izvozvo nekudzvinyirirwa kwehupfumi, nezve mukaha uripo pakati pemafambisirwo esarudzo uye kuda kwevanhu, uye nezvekuti vanhu vangasafarira sei “kutumira mameseji” pane kuita shanduko chaiyo.
Pane zvakawanda zvokufunga nezvazvo, asi sezvatinoedza kudzidza, tinofanira kufunga kuti tiri kudzidza kunaani. Nekuti chokwadi chimwe chezvidzidzo zvakakosha zvesarudzo ndechekuti vezvenhau vemakambani havangori mudziyo usina kukwana wegakava rine hutano hwegutsaruzhinji, asi munzira dzakawanda chipinganidzo chakasimba kwazviri.
Unogona kutanga nekushaikwa kwenyaya dzakakosha kubva mukuburitswa kwesarudzo dzevakuru vezvenhau. An ongororo naFAIR's Benjamin Johnson, vachitarisa izvo zvakaita nhau dzesarudzo dzepamberi mu New York Times, Washington Post uye USA Today, vakawana 47 muzana yenhau dzakadaro kuva zvikurukuru zvinhu zvisina maturo-macalorie pamusoro pokuti ndiani akanga ari “kuwana nzvimbo” uye kuti ndiani akanga ari “kuwedzera kuparidzira.” Zvikamu gumi nezviviri chete kubva muzana zvenyaya dzakanga dzakanangana nenhau chaidzo dzemitemo. Uye kunyangwe mamwe acho aive akakosha, pfungwa yekuti vatori venhau vanofanirwa kuvharidzira maitiro evavhoti kune zvinotaurwa nevanomirira bato guru, pane kuona zviri kufungwa nevanhu uye kuisa mibvunzo kune vanokwikwidza, haina kupokana.
Vatereri vakanzwa kuti nhaurirano dzemakambani dzenhau dzakanyanya kutariswa sei kunzvimbo dzinonetsa veruzhinji sekuvhiringwa kwemamiriro ekunze, hurombo nemhirizhonga yemapurisa. Uye kana dziri nhau dzehusiku, muongorori Andrew Tyndall mishumo kuti kubva pakutanga kwa2016, ABC, CBS uye NBC akapedza maminetsi makumi matatu nemaviri chete emhepo achitaura nezvese zvine chekuita nesarudzo. Ndiwo maminetsi makumi matatu nemaviri, uye hafu yacho yaive yakazvipira kuhugandanga.
Zvakanaka, panogona kunge paine mea culpas kubva kune vezvenhau nezvekuti vaifanira kuteerera sei pachena kune vachena vakatsamwa. Isu tinofungidzira kuti kuchave nevashoma pamusoro pemabatiro avaifanira kunge vakapisa kudzvanyirirwa kwevatema nebrown vhoti kuburikidza nekuvharirwa kwevanhu vakawanda uye kubviswa kweMutemo weKodzero dzekuvhota.
Asi izvo zvatisingazonzwa ichave mibvunzo yakakomba nezve corporate media insular tsika, senge nei nyeredzi ichienda kune mumwe munhu akadaro. Washington Post munyori wenhau Richard Cohen, ane sarudzo dzisati dzaitwa nechipiriso vakaedza kuratidza kuti maRepublicans nemaDemocrats vanofuratira sei nyaya chaidzo vachifarira kutsiva kuferefetwa, nemuenzaniso weDemocratic uri "vakasvibisa Clarence Thomas, vachikwanisa kushandura gweta repakati kuita mufiri wechitendero mukuru."
Kunyomba Donald Trump, Cohen anoti "ane muvhareji wemauto eNicaragua anobata Bumbiro redu. Anogona kurayira kudzoka kwekutambudzwa. " Nepo Richard Cohen akaombera hondo yakavanzika yeUS kuNicaragua, yakaitwa nekuti yakapidigura hudzvanyiriri hunotsigirwa neUS, uye akatsigira kuregererwa kwevakuru vayo, muchidimbu nekuti aimboona aimbove Munyori weDziviriro Caspar Weinberger pachitoro chikuru uye airatidzika kunge akanaka. mukomana.
Uye kune vepamusoro pundits vakaita saRichard Cohen, kurwadzisa chimwe chinhu chinoita vanhu vekuNicaragua, kunyangwe chirevo cheAmnesty chazvino chisingatauri nyika iyoyo, asi chinotaura nezveUnited States. Asi zvadaro, Cohen ari parekodhi achiti mapurisa eCIA anotambudza havafanirwe kupomerwa mhosva nekuti
zvakakosha kuti vashandi vedu vehungwaru varege kutya kuti kuedza kwechokwadi kuchaita kuti vamiswe pamberi pedare reCongress kana Grand Jury. Tinoda vanhu vakanaka kwazvo mumabasa aya, kwete vanotsika-tsika vasingatore mikana.
Zvishoma pane zvese isu tinofanira kutsvaga vezvenhau kuti vabvunze nezve maitiro evaridzi vavo chimiro, maitiro avanoita mari yavo. Asi zvino, havafaniri kutsanangura izvozvo; zvavaikoshesa zvakavambwa kare, rini CBS CEO Les Moonves yakataura neboka remaindasitiri nezve kusimuka kwemushandirapamwe waDonald Trump.
Ndiani angadai akafunga kuti sekisi iyi ichauya kudhorobha asi, unoziva, inogona kunge isina kunaka kuAmerica, asi yakanakira CBS. Ndizvo chete zvandinofanira kutaura.
Uri kuteerera CounterSpin, yakaunzwa kwamuri nevezvenhau vachiona boka FAIR.
Janine Jackson: Sezvatiri kutarisira kubva muna Mbudzi 8, zviri pachena kuti pane basa rekuita pane zvakawanda. Kune vanhu vazhinji, basa iroro rinotanga nekuvandudzwa kwesarudzo. Takabatanidzwa zvino naRob Richie. Rob Richie ndiye director director weboka FairVote. Ari kubatana nesu kubva kuTakoma Park, Maryland. Rob Richie, chii ikozvino chekugadzirisa sarudzo?
Rob Richie: Ini ndinofunga sisitimu iri kutidzikisira mukuita mushandirapamwe wevanokwikwidza, sarudzo dzevavhoti, mumiriri wavanozowana, uye isu tiri kuona, ndinofunga, mabhekoni chaiwo echiedza mumikana yekuvandudza. Uye iyo yandinoda kuratidza kuti Maine akapfuura chinzvimbo-yesarudzo yekuvhota, shanduko huru iyi yatinotenda kuti ndiyo inofanira kukurumidza kuenda kune dzimwe nyika, uye iyo ichashandiswa muna 2018, mushure mekukunda nemaoko mureferendamu. Uye ndiyo mhando yezvinhu izvo zvinoti zvinogona kuita. Ivo vanogona chaizvo kushandura hurongwa hwavo kuti huite kuti tisarudze sei Congress, uye ndizvo zvakaitika kuMaine.
JJ: Zvinorevei, kuvhota kwenzvimbo? Izvozvo zvakasiyana sei?
RR: Pose patinenge tichimhanyidzana nevanhu vanodarika vaviri, pane gakava rakamuka rekuti, ungavhotera munhu waunoda zvakanyanya here pasina hazard yekubatsira kusarudza wausingadi zvakanyanya? Ko munhu wechitatu achange ari muparadzi, achapatsanura vhoti here? Dambudziko nderemasvomhu, iro nderekuti kana paine vanhu vanopfuura vaviri vari kukwikwidza, mavhoti anogona kupatsanurana nenzira yekuti munhu ane mavhoti akawanda anogona kunge asina rutsigiro rweruzhinji, asi vanongopedza pamusoro. murwi.
JJ: Rudyi.
RR: Uye saka nzvimbo-yesarudzo yekuvhota imotokari yekupa vavhoti simba rakawanda, zvekuti vanenge vakagadzirira kushandisa, izvo zvisiri izvo chete zvaunonyanya kufarira, asi ndiani waungade kusaona achikunda, uye kuvaisa chinzvimbo. yekupedzisira. Mune pfungwa yebato, unogona kuti kana usingagutsikane nebato guru semunhu anonyatso taura zvauri kuita, unogona kuvhotera munhu waunofunga kuti ane nguva refu yekuhwina, asi anonyanyo taurira nyaya dzako zvakanyanya. , uye ndicho chisarudzo chako chekutanga. Uye iwe unogona kutaura, asi ini ndine zvandinoda pakati pevamiriri vebato guru, uye heino sarudzo yangu yechipiri.
Uye zvinosunungura zvakanyanya nenzira iyoyo, nekuti unokwanisa kuvhotera waunoda. Uye iyi yese internecine, inodzokorora hondo tinoona kutenderera kwese kwese, oh, vechitatu-bato vanokwikwidza havafanirwe kumhanya, asi, o, ivo vakuru-bato vanoodza mwoyo. Iwe unoziva, isu hatina sisitimu inotitendera kubata izvo, uye Maine parizvino anoita.
JJ: Vanhu vazhinji munyika yose vari kutarisa kuElectoral College. Chii chaungatiudze pamusoro pazvo kana mikana yekuchinja mune izvozvo?
RR: Rudyi. Nekuti iyi isarudzo apo Amai Hillary Clinton vangangokunda musarudzo dzine mukurumbira munyika nemavhoti anodarika miriyoni, saka izvi zvinosimbisa nyaya yekuti handidzo dzinotonga sarudzo. Asi chinoramba chiripo pasarudzo ndechekuti vanopedza nguva yavo yese vari mumatunhu mashoma aya, zvekuti nyika ina dzakaita chidimbu chinodarika chidimbu chezviitiko zvekuratidzira. Saka chaizvo ihondo yekuve mutungamiri wenyika dzeAmerica, uye vanozove rudzi rwekutenderera kumwechete kutenderera kwese.
Saka chirevo chave kufamba mumatunhu, imwe shanduko inotungamirwa nehurumende, ndeye National Popular Vote kuronga, kureva kuti, tinoda kuti chero ani zvake anohwina mavhoti akawanda mumatunhu makumi mashanu uye DC inogara ichihwina musarudzo yemutungamiri wenyika, uye nekudaro tichazvipira kupa mavhoti ese esarudzo enyika yedu kumumiriri iyeye, tandem nedzimwe nyika dzichiita chitsidzo chimwe chete ichocho. Matunhu gumi neDC vakatopasa izvi, asi havana kukwana vavo vakazvipasa zvekuti zvinomiririra ruzhinji rweElectoral College parizvino. Parizvino vari pamavhoti esarudzo zana nemakumi matanhatu neshanu, saka kana vasvika mazana maviri nemakumi manomwe, huwandu hwematunhu ari mumubatanidzwa hunogona kudzora sarudzo, uye mavhoti esarudzo anoenda kune anokunda mavhoti ane mukurumbira munyika.
Janine Jackson: Cynthia Terrell anotungamira Kumiririra 20/20 chirongwa paboka FairVote. Iye zvino anouya nesu parunhare. Cynthia Terrell, chii ikozvino chekusiyana muCongress?
Cynthia Terrell: Hapasati pave nengano yakabudirira yekutaura pamusoro pekusiyana-siyana muCongress, inova imwe yeidzo, ndinofunga, dzakataura nyaya dzesarudzo idzi, nedzimwe sarudzo dzakawanda. Ikoko, hongu, pakanga paine mashoma makuru makwapa Chipiri chapfuura, kunyanya kuvakadzi vemavara. MuSeneti, muImba, muchange muine vakadzi vapfumbamwe vemavara, vanozove vese maDemocrats muCongress, vatatu muSeneti yeUS uye vatanhatu muImba, saka izvo zvinotyisa. Asi ini ndinofunga chimiro chese uye mamiriro ekunze ekuchinja haana kunaka kune vakadzi kana vanhu vane ruvara, uye ndicho chinhu chatichafanirwa kugadzirisa.
Ini ndinofunga chimwe chechokwadi chakaoma, maererano nekumiririrwa kwepasirese: Mamiriro eUnited States kuseri kwenyika makumi mapfumbamwe neshanu mukumiririrwa kwevakadzi, uye hatisi kuwedzera zvakada kufanana nedzimwe nyika. Uye izvo, ndinofunga, zvinofanirwa kuve chiratidzo chikuru kune vanhu vane hanya nekumiririra kumiririra kuti vatarise kune izvo dzimwe nyika dziri kuita uye kufunga, wow, pane dzimwe nzira dzehurongwa dzatingave tichishandisa muUnited States kugadzirisa. kusaenzana ikoko?
JJ: Chikonzero chatiri kutaura pamusoro peizvi, chokwadi, ndechekuti Donald Trump akasarudzwa semutungamiri, uye isu tinofunga kuti misogyny ine basa guru rekuita nazvo. Uye isu tinofunga kuti simba rine zvakawanda zvekuita nazvo, uye zvine basa zvakanyanya, kwete kuti ndiani ari mukamuri, asi ndiani ari mukamuri uye anokwanisa kutaura, tichaita izvi kana kusaita izvo. Uye saka kusundidzira, saka, ndinofungidzira, kweMumiriri 20/20 ndeyekukurudzira uye kukura kumiririrwa kwevakadzi kwakawanda uye kuenzana kwevakadzi muCongress.
CT: Zvamazvirokwazvo, zvamazvirokwazvo. Ini ndinofunga, nepo kuine nyika imwe chete, Rwanda, kutaura chokwadi, iri pamusoro peiyo mutsara, nyika zhinji, hongu, dzakaswedera pedyo-nyika dziri muLatin America, nyika dziri muEurope-uye chikamu chikuru chemaitiro aya Vanga vachironga nezvehuwandu hwevachakwikwidza vakadzi vavaizotsigira uye kukwikwidza uye vavhote uye vange vachitarisira kuhwina. Uye saka ndinofunga isu tinofanirwa kuve nemaune nezve izvo muUnited States, uye ndinofunga isu tinofanirwa kuita zvese zvatinogona kugadzirisa masisitimu anokanganisa vakadzi vanokwikwidza.
Pane chidzidzo chakati wandei pamusoro pezvikamu makumi matatu kubva muzana-kuti, kuitira kuti vakadzi vanyatsokwanisa kushandisa simba uye kuve nesimba muboka remitemo kana mubatanidzwa, nekuda kwenyaya iyi, makumi matatu muzana ndiyo idiki yekugumisira. kuti. Uye saka ndinofunga tinofanirwa kuita zvese zvatinokwanisa kuti tive nechokwadi chekuti masangano edu emitemo yenyika nemakanzuru emaguta edu neCongress pachayo vasvike pachikamu ichocho che30 muzana mumasarudzo mashoma anotevera, kuitira kuti vakadzi vatange kushanda nesimba. simba uye kuratidza hukama hwemapato maviri uhwo vakadzi vanozivikanwa nahwo, uye kugona kunyatsoteerera, kugadzirira kunzwa, izvo zvinhu zvese zvatinonzwa, zvinoita sechokwadi, zvehutungamiriri hwevakadzi. Izvo zvingoitika chete, zvakadaro, kana isu takanyatso nemaune nezve mafambiro atinoita kuti tiwane vakadzi ivavo ikoko.
Janine Jackson: Patty Lovera mubatsiri wemutungamiriri pa Kurinda Kwekudya uye Mvura. Anosangana nesu nerunhare kubva kuDC. Patty Lovera, chii ikozvino kune zvakatipoteredza uye zvezvakatipoteredza activism?
Patty Lovera: Haasi mashoko akanaka, zviri pachena. Kune vanhu vanofarira nyaya idzi, ndinofunga zviri pachena. Saka munguva pfupi pfupi, tine basa rekuita kuti tione kuti ndezvipi chaizvo zvatiri kutarisa, ndiani watiri kutarisa pakufambisa masangano akasiyana, uye mishumo yekutanga iri kunetsa. Hutongi hwaTrump hunoratidzika kunge hwakanangana nekuenda kumakambani akazvimirira, kuenda t0 Wall Street, uye akamhanya pane yakavhurika-inopokana-inotonga ajenda. Uye zviri pachena kuti ndizvo zvatichapesana nazvo.
Saka tine zvinhu zvekuita muCongress inokamhina yedhadha. Yave nhaurirano isinganzwisisike nezvekutengeserana pamativi ese esarudzo, asi isu tinofanirwa kuve nechokwadi kuti hapana chinonyengera chinoitika, uye isu tinofanirwa kuve nechokwadi chekuti TPP haiitike panguva yeyakakamhina dhadha chikamu, saka ndicho chinhu chinonyanya kukosha. zvedu.
Uye ipapo isu tichafanirwa kufunga kuti chii chaizvo chatiri kutarisa. Asi kutanga kwehutongi hutsva, tinoziva kuti vachange vachitaura nezvekudzima mirau mitsva, kana yanga ichienderera mberi.
Asi ndingati mumwe mukana watinofanira kuramba takatarisa ndewekutaura kwezvivakwa. Tinoziva kuti Trump ari kutaurawo nezvezvivakwa. Isu tinofanirwa kuve nechokwadi kuti irwo rudzi rwakakodzera, kuti haisi kungopa mari kumasangano akazvimirira kuti achengetedze masisitimu emvura kana zvinhu zvakadaro. Isu tinofanirwa kuve nechokwadi kana kuchizove neinvestment muzvivakwa, irwo rudzi rwekudyara.
JJ: Uye ne "ve nechokwadi," unoreva nekutarisa chete? Nekuti zvinorevei kana uine vanhu vanopesana nevanotonga vari kutungamira masangano anodzora? Izvozvo zvinotaridzika sei?
EN: Zvakanaka, takaona izvi. Iwe unoziva, isu takararama kuburikidza neizvi, neBush manejimendi uye mamwe manejimendi. Zvinoreva kuti kurwa kwemaoko nemaoko ekugadzira mirau uye zvinoitika muWashington zvichawedzera kuoma. Asi isu tinofanirwa kuzviita, saka tichazofanira kuisa kumanikidza kune vanhu vari pamativi ese enzira, vane hanya chaizvo nezvakabuda, kuve vakatendeseka pane zviri kuitika. Tichada maDemocrats kuti vade kusimuka vaedze kuvharisa zvinhu pavanokwanisa, kunyanya mudare reSenate.
Tichafanirwa kuita ongororo yakanaka uye kuratidza kukanganisa munzira iyo zvinhu zviri kurongedzerwa uye kutengeswa, mumutengo / bhenefiri kuongororwa nezvimwe zvakadaro, uye kudaidza foshoro kana tikavaona vachiedza kutaura chimwe chinhu. kumusoro sekuvandudzwa uye kuchekwa. Tinofanira kutaura kudaro, uye tichafanira kuita ruzha pamusoro pazvo.
Uye zvakare chimwe chinhu chandisingakanganwe kutaura ndechekuti Washington, DC, yakakosha; hatigoni kuzvisiya, nokuti zvinhu zvichatonyanya kuipa kana tikangobvapo. Asi haasi magumo ese, ivai zvese. Saka ini ndinofunga tichaona vanhu vazhinji vachitaura nezvazvo, zvakanaka, chii chatingaite padanho rehurumende, uye chii chatingaite padanho renzvimbo? Uye ndinofunga yave nguva yekuita shuwa kuti tine kurongeka kwakanaka pamusoro pazvo.
Iwe unoziva, isu tinogona kuita zvinhu padanho rehurumende, uye isu tinofanira chaizvo, asi isu hatigone kusiya Washington kana vakakwanisa kuuya gare gare vogadzirisa zvawakaita padanho rehurumende. Saka isu tinofanirwa kuve tichironga izvo uye tichiteerera kune zvese. Asi ini ndinofunga, kunyanya munyaya dzezvakatipoteredza, tichaona zvakawanda zvekugadzira, uye tichazofanira kufunga zvatingaite kune imwe nzvimbo tichidzivirira kumwe kukuvara muDC.
Janine Jackson: Takabatanidzwa zvino naDeepa Kumar; ishamwari purofesa wezvidzidzo zvenhau paRutgers University, kwaanenge ari mutevedzeri wemutungamiri wesangano remubatanidzwa, uye munyori we, nguva pfupi yadarika, Islamophobia uye Zvematongerwo enyika eHumambo. Deepa Kumar, chii ikozvino kune maMuslim, uye kune chero munhu ane hanya neIslamophobia?
Deepa Kumar: Hongu, ino inguva inotyisa zvechokwadi, Janine, kune vese vanhu vemavara, zvirokwazvo maMuslim-America zvakare, dai zvisina kushata zvakakwana gore rapfuura. Gore rapfuura, 2015, richadzika serakave rakaipisisa gore reMuslim-America munyika ino. Zvino nehutungamiriri hwaTrump, izvo zvichatowedzera, nekuti akashinga uye akagonesa ese ari kure-kurudyi-rerudyi mapoka, chena supremacist mapoka - seKKK, iyo yakatsigira Donald Trump - akavasimbisa, uye isu ' tiri kuenda chete, zvinosuruvarisa, kuona kumwe kurwiswa kwepanyama uye nemashoko.
Uye handizvo chete zviri kure. Ndinofunga kuti chamutsa rudzi rwerusaruraganda rwakavanda. Munoziva, nyika ino ine nhoroondo refu yerusaruraganda. Uye idzo dzichauya pamberi zvakare. Ndinofunga, zvakadaro, kuti kana tapedza kutya uye kuvhunduka kwezvakaitika, tinofanira kunyatsoronga, uye tinofanira kuronga nekukurumidza.
Tangodaidzira musangano mangwana, musangano wechimbichimbi wemubatanidzwa wangu. Sezvawataura, ndiri mutevedzeri wemutungamiri wemubatanidzwa. Tiri kuunganidza vadzidzi nevadzidzisi kuti vaumbe mubatanidzwa wekuti topindura sei izvozvi kune zviri kuitika. Pamusasa wedu mutsva, ndakanzwa mushumo wekuti vadzidzi vaviri vechiMuslim-America vakarwiswa. Vakaisa report kumapurisa epacampus. Asi isu tinofanirwa kuvaka madziro ekubatana izvozvi anosanganisira maMuslim-America, anosanganisira maAfrica-America, anosanganisira vachena, izvo zvinosanganisira chero munhu asingatendi kuti vanhu vanofanirwa kunangwa nekuda kwedzinza ravo, chitendero, dzinza kana murume. , nokuda kwechinhu ichocho. Saka ndozvatiri kusunda mberi, Janine, sezuro takakatyamadzwa, nhasi tinoronga.
JJ: Uye waona, Deepa, pakupedzisira, kuti isu tinowanzo kurwiswa, kurwiswa kwepanyama pamunhu, asi Islamophobia inotora mamwe maitiro. Uye saka pane zvimwe zvinhu zvakarongeka zvekuti ndinofunga isu tinogona kutarisira kuwedzera zvakare.
DK: Zvamazvirokwazvo. Ndinofunga kuti zvipikirwa zvaDonald Trump kuti achadzivirira maMuslim kuuya munyika ino nekupa kurambidzwa, kuti achagadzira dhatabhesi apo vese maMuslim-America vanofanirwa kunyoresa, izvi zvinongotyisa. Uye ini ndinofunga kuti izvi zvimiro zvinhu zvichavepo mumwedzi iri kuuya.
Asi ini ndinoda kucherechedza, kuti kunyangwe isu tinofanirwa kutya izvo zvichaitwa naTrump, izvi hazvisi kubuda mubhuruu. Kana ukatarisa nhaurirano uye ukatarisa hurukuro yakatenderedza sarudzo yemutungamiri wenyika, Clinton zvakanyanya mumagakava ake uye muhurukuro dzake akati, zvakanaka, maMuslim-America maziso nenzeve dzehurumende yenyika. Arikuitei? Ari kungokudza pfungwa iyi yekuti neimwe nzira kukosha kweMuslim-America kuve vamiririri vekutarisa, uye kuti kana usiri, uri muMuslim akaipa. Rudyi?
Zvinoitwa neizvi, uye zvatakaona kuburikidza nehutongi hwaObama zvakare, ipfungwa iyi yekuti vese maMuslim neimwe nzira vane mhosva kana kuti vane mhosva yezviito zvevashoma. Uye zvinosuruvarisa, kana maDemocrats akakudziridza maitiro emhando iyi, maRepublican uye nekurudyi vanogona kuitora nhanho imwe, nhanho mbiri, nhanho zana kumberi. Saka izvi zvave, ndakakakavadzana, kurwisa kwevaviri, uye chatinoda kurongeka padanho repasi kuti tirwise izvi.
Uye ini ndinofunga izvo nguva ino inobvumidzawo kubatana nemamwe mapoka emarudzi. Mushure mezvose, VaTrump vakateverawo vanhu vekuMexico, anovadaidza kuti mabhinya. Ari kudaidzira kuti pave nebumbiro remitemo yenyika. Izvi zvichabata maAfrica-America, izvi zvichabata maMexico-America neLatinos. Uye ini ndinofunga ino nguva yatinofanira kuuya pamwechete kutenderedza nyaya dzese idzi, zvimiro pamwe chete nemunhu mumwe nemumwe, kurwira rudzi rwenzanga yatinoda kugara mairi.
Janine Jackson: Takabatanidzwa iye zvino naPhyllis Bennis. Iye mutungamiriri we New Internationalism chirongwa kuInstitute for Policy Studies uye munyori we, pakati pemamwe mazita, Kunzwisisa ISIS uye Hondo Yenyika Itsva paKutyisa: A Primer. Anobatana nesu kubva kuWashington, DC. Phyllis Bennis, chii zvino maererano nemitemo yenyika ino yekunze, inotsanangurwa sezvairi zvakanyanya ne "War on Terror"?
Phyllis Bennis: Iwe unoziva, Janine, dambudziko hombe ratiri kutarisana naro izvozvi, pamubvunzo wezvekune dzimwe nyika, nderekuti isu hatinyatso kuziva kuti mutemo weTrump wekune dzimwe nyika uchaita sei. Hatizivi kuti ndiani achatungamirira. Isu tinoziva kuti VaTrump havana, ingave yavo kana seyakabatana nebato ravo, yavanoti bhenji rakadzama mumutemo wekunze, zvichireva vanhu vari pachena vaizopihwa mabasa akasiyana. Mubvunzo wamuka, angavimbe here nevakuru vemakambani vanotaurirana madhiri ekutengeserana nedzimwe nyika kana madhiri emakambani epasi rose? Hatizivi hedu.
Hatizivi zvakare kuti Donald Trump anomirirei mumutemo wekunze kwenyika. Akataura zvinhu zvakati wandei izvo vanhu vakarwa nehondo nemabasa kwemakore akawanda vaizotarisa ndokuti, wow, izvo hazvina kushata. Akataura, semuenzaniso, kuti tinofanira kuva nehukama huri nani neRussia. Akataura kamwe kuti US inofanira kunge "isina kwayakarerekera" pakati peIsrael nePalestine. Akataura kuti isu hatifanirwe kuramba kuvaka nyika, uye akapokana nepfungwa yenzvimbo isina nhunzi muSyria.
Asi hapana zvachose chikonzero chekufunga kuti acharamba achiomerera kune izvo zvataurwa. Akataura mamwe mashoko anopesana navo zvachose. Kunyanya, akati achabvarura chibvumirano chenyukireya cheIran. Panguva dzakasiyana siyana, akadaidzira kuti zvombo zvenyukireya zviwedzerwe, zviwanikwe kuSaudi Arabia neSouth Korea, ndokuzoramba zvirevo izvozvo.
Zvatiri kubata nazvo pano inyaya yaanotaura nezve sirogani yake huru, achiita kuti America ive huru zvakare, uye mutemo wekune dzimwe nyika uye chikamu chemauto chekuita kuti America ive huru inoita kunge iri kudzokera kunguva yezvaaizofunga zvisingapikiswe pasi rose. hegemony. Saka zvishoma nezve kugadzira mutemo wekunze unoshanda, unochengetedza vanhu muUS uye unotiita mudiwa akanaka pasi rese. Zvishoma pane izvo pane nezve mutemo wekune dzimwe nyika unova nechokwadi chekuti US haina anopikisa zvakanyanya.
Saka ini ndinofunga zvatiri kubata nazvo ihombe yekusagadzikana. Chinhu chimwe chete chatinoziva chokwadi ndechekuti mafambiro emagariro achave akakosha zvakanyanya kupfuura chero ani zvake. Mafambiro emagariro achave akakosha zvakanyanya kupfuura ari muCongress, ari muWhite House, ari muDare Repamusorosoro. Nekuti ndiyo chete nzira yatichazofanira kushandura nhoroondo.
Ini ndinofunga chimwe chezvinhu zvatakaona, zvine njodzi muhurongwa hwesarudzo uye mukuuya kwemutungamiri wenyika yaVaTrump, ndechekuti bato rakamuka rakatenderedza mushandirapamwe wake rine mukati maro rinenge refascist musimboti werusaruraganda, misogyny, xenophobia, Islamophobia. Uye izvi zvine njodzi kana sangano iroro rikatanga kunzwa kuti, naTrump muWhite House, ivo neimwe nzira vane simba uye kusava nemhosva kubva mukuzvidavirira, kuti vane mvumo yavasina kumbove nayo uye vasina kumbokodzera. Zvichava zvakatonyanya kuipa.
Uye saka mafambisirwo edu emagariro, ndinofunga vazhinji vedu takanga tave kugadzirira kuramba izvo zvataifungidzira kuti zvaizova hutongi hwaClinton, tichiti hapana honeymoon, hapana kumirira, unganidza nekukurumidza bato kurwisa hondo uye kuwedzera. Tichiri kufanira kuita izvozvo, asi ikozvino tichafanirwa kuita izvozvo, ndinofunga, mumamiriro ezvinhu eboka rakawanda rekupokana, uko mafambiro ekushanda kuvaka masangano ekurwisa hondo achafanirwawo zvakare. iva mafambiro ekudzivirira vapoteri vari kuedza kuuya pano nekuda kwehondo idzodzo.
Uye zvakare ichafanirwa kubatana nemafambisirwo ari kupa dziviriro yekutanga kunharaunda dziri mungozi, vangave nharaunda dzevatorwa, vapoteri, vanhu vane ruvara, nharaunda dzeMuslim, maArabu, vakadzi, LGBTQ nharaunda. Mharaunda dzese idzi dzinogona kutarisana nenjodzi huru munguva iri kuuya, nekuda kwesangano iri rasimuka kuburikidza nehurongwa hwedanidziro. Uye mafambiro edu ekumisa hondo uye kugadzira mutemo wekunze wakavakirwa padhipatimendi pamusoro pehondo ichafanirwa kuve chikamu cheaya mafambiro akakura ane chinangwa chekuchengetedza idzo nharaunda dzinotambura.
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