Munzanga yakavakirwa panhema, kutsvaka chokwadi mutambo.
Funga nezve gakava riri pamusoro pezvinonzi 'kutyisidzira' kune BBC 'kuzvimirira', kunyangwe seBBC pachayo mishumo yasachigaro wayo ari kubuda:
'Nekuda kwekuenda kwaVa Sharp, ndinonzwisisa kuti nhaurirano pakati peBBC nehurumende dzavepo mumazuva achangopfuura. Ungatarisira izvozvo.
'Sachigaro weBBC ibasa rezvematongerwo enyika.'
Kana izvo zvisingakodzere Twitter kunyora mutori wenhau wese weBBC 'UK state-yakabatana media', isu hatizive zvinoita.
Kana kuti funga kuti sei, chivharo chiri muruoko, Guardian ikozvino inozviratidza seMedia Lens-maitiro ekushanda, ichizivisa pakupera kwezvinyorwa zvayo:
Sesangano renhau rinotsigirwa nevaverengi, tinovimba nerupo rwenyu. Ndapota ipai zvamunokwanisa, kuitira kuti mamiriyoni abatsirike nokutaura kwakanaka kwezviitiko zvinoumba nyika yedu.'
Tinoshamisika kuti vangani vaverengi vanopa mari iyi heroic mission vanoziva kuti, gore rapfuura, Guardian mupepeti, Kath Viner, vakagamuchira mubhadharo we42 percent unokwira we£150,000, zvichiendesa muhoro wake ku£509,850. Brazen zvinodaro kuti Guardian 'haina kurudziro yekutengeserana' inobuda mumapeji ebepanhau rinofashukira nemashambadziro emakambani ayo anotsamira paari zvakanyanya. Gore rapfuura, kudhinda uye kushambadza kwakaunza mari inosvika £71.5m uye £73.7m zvichiteerana. The Guardian ndeyaScott Trust, iyo inoshandisa £ 1.3bn yekudyara mari.
Kunyangwe tikaedza kufungidzira vatori venhau vemakambani vachikwira pamusoro pezvisina maturo izvi, hazvibviri kufunga nezvavo vachiongorora nyaya dzakadzama dzekurerekera kwenhau.
Rangarira mamiriro akaita nhau netsanangudzo: tsunami ye24/7 kushambadzira kwemakambani iyo isingaenderane nehurukuro chero maererano nekurerekera kwayo. Kunze kwekunge isu tichibvuma kuti kushambadzira uku kunofanirwa kuenzaniswa ne-counter-tsunami ye-anti-corporate advertising, hapana mubvunzo wekusarerekera kwenhau nekuda kwechikonzero ichi chete.
Asi izvi zvichiri kungokwenya pamusoro. Munzanga yedu yemubatanidzwa, kukunda kukuru kwemakambani ekurima ega hakusi izvo zvakasefa zviri mubepanhau rezuva nezuva kana nhau dzehusiku; zviri us, maonero atinoita zvatiri, kuti zvinorevei kuva munhu. Tinogona kuseka Zuva uye kuchemera Iyo Mail, asi tarisa mugirazi - we ndiwo chibereko chekupedzisira cheparaganda.
Erich Fromm akanyora pamusoro pemafungiro evanhu pamusoro pake uye pachake mumusangano we capitalist:
'Muviri wake, pfungwa dzake uye mweya wake ndiro guru rake, uye basa rake muhupenyu nderekudyara zvakanaka kuti azviwanire pundutso.' (Erich Fromm, 'The Sane Society', Routledge, 1991, p.138)
Kukosha hakugone kuwedzeredzwa: kana mamirioni evarume nevakadzi vemakambani vachizviona sezvigadzirwa zvinotengeswa pamusika webasa, mubvunzo wekusaenderana, wekunetsa nzanga yemakambani, hautombomuka. Pfungwa iyi haisi yekungove isina basa, iko kutyisidzira kuenderana kufambisa 'kubudirira'. Mhedzisiro yacho inonyadzisa zvikuru:
'Unhu hwakaparadzaniswa huri kutengeswa hunofanirwa kurasikirwa neruzivo rwakanaka rwechiremerera chinova chimiro chemunhu kunyangwe mutsika zhinji dzechinyakare. Anofanira kurasikirwa nepfungwa yose yokuzvifunga, pachake sechinhu chakasiyana uye chisingapindiki.' (Kubva, peji 138)
Panyaya iyi, hazvisi izvo zvatiri zvakati zvakarerekera pane imwe nyaya chaiyo nenzira yemushumo wepepanhau; pfungwa chaiyo yokuti tinofanira kutsvaka uye kuita maererano nechokwadi, chokuti tiri vamiririri vetsika, inova inoseka, inosekesa. Uye ichi, chokwadi, ndiro dingindira rezvakawanda tabloid uye mamwe midhiya 'kuseka' inonangana kuruboshwe uye girinhi vanorwira.
Munharaunda yerudzi urwu, Fromm akanyora, chokwadi hachina hanya:
'Chinokosha ndechokuti hapana chinhu chakakomba, kuti munhu anochinjana maonero, uye kuti munhu akagadzirira kubvuma chero pfungwa kana kuti kutendiswa (kana pane chinhu chakadaro) sechinhu chakanaka sechimwe.' (p.152)
Fromm paanoti 'hapana chakanyanya kuoma', anoreva kuti tiri kusava nehanya zvachose.
Tinogona kunongedzera kuufakazi here? Svondo rapfuura, zvaive Zvinonzi kuti tembiricha yepamusoro yaApril yakamborekodhwa muSpain - rudzi rwerekodhi inogona, munhoroondo, yakatyorwa nechidimbu chedhigirii - yakapeperetswa nekukwira kwe5C.
Ichi chiratidzo chekupedzisira chenjodzi yemamiriro ekunze iri kuuya chakashumwa kwenguva pfupi ndokuzokanganwika. Yakagamuchira chidimbu chidiki chekutariswa kwakakodzera uye kunetseka - kwete chete kubva kumapepanhau asiwo kubva kune veruzhinji. Waingove mumwe muenzaniso wekuti 'munhu wemazuva ano anoratidza sei kushayikwa kwechokwadi kunoshamisa kune zvese zvakakosha. Nezve zvinoreva hupenyu nerufu, kune mufaro nekutambura, nekunzwa uye kufunga kwakakomba'. (Kubva, peji 166)
Hazvina basa kutaura, vatori venhau vemakambani ndiyo imba yechisikigo yeCorporate Man nekuti basa rayo chairo nderekudzivirira chimiro chiripo.
Ndichiri kushanda semupepeti wezvematongerwo enyika anooneka ari kuruboshwe kuNew Statesman, Mehdi Hasan - uyo zvino ari kuratidza Mehdi Hasan Show paPeacock uye MSNBC - akanyora zvinotevera mutsamba kuna Lord Dacre, muridzi weDaily Mail:
'Kunyangwe ini ndiri kuruboshwe rwezvematongerwo enyika, uye ndisingabvumirani negwara rekunyora reMeil pamhando dzakasiyana siyana, ndagara ndichiyemura kuda kwebepa, kuoma, kusatya uye, chokwadi, tsika dzenhau. Ini ndinotenda kuti Iyo Tsamba ine basa rakakosha kuita mugakava renyika, uye ndinoyemura kutarisa kwako kusingadzoreki pakudiwa kwekuvimbika uye hunhu muhupenyu hweveruzhinji, uye kudzivirira kwako kwakasimba kwekutenda, uye tsika dzechiKristu, pamberi pekurwiswa kubva. varwi vasingadaviri kuvapo kwaMwari uye vasingadi zvenyika. Ndinotendawo… kuti ndinogona kunge ndiri mutsva uye ane shungu, tisingarevi ane nharo uye anopokana, izwi rekutaura uye mapeji ezvinyorwa zvebepanhau rako rakahwina mibairo.'
Hasan akawedzera kuti:
'Naizvozvo ndaigona kunyora zvimedu zveMashoko anotsoropodza Basa uye kuruboshwe, kubva "mukati" Basa uye kuruboshwe (semupepeti mukuru wezvematongerwo enyika kuNew Statesman).'
Mumwe angatadza kufungidzira muenzaniso uri nani we'From's 'akaparadzaniswa hunhu ari kutengeswa' (p.138), naHasan achitsvaga maitiro, zvakanakira uye zvakanakira zvemukati wake kuruboshwe zvitupa zvekurwisa kuruboshwe.
Mumwe muenzaniso mukuru weiyi hunhu inobata chokwadi semutambo mukuru weGuardian munyori wenhau Jonathan Freedland. Muongorori wezvematongerwo enyika, Norman Finkelstein, ana amai vakapona muWarsaw Ghetto, musasa wevasungwa weMajdanek nemisasa yechibharo miviri, uye baba vavo vakapukunyuka muWarsaw Ghetto nemusasa wevasungwa weAuschwitz, Akadaro paFreedland:
'… apo bhuku rangu, The Holocaust Industry, rakabuda muna 2000, Freedland yakanyora kuti "ndaiva pedyo nevanhu vakagadzira Holocaust pane avo vakatambura mairi". Kunyange zvazvo achiratidzika kuva, haiwa, akarurama mune zvematongerwe enyika iye zvino, haana kuona zvisina kukodzera kuti ataure kuti ndakanga ndakafanana nevaNazi vakabudisa mhuri yangu negesi.'
Finkelstein akataura chinhu chakakosha:
'Takabuda pachirongwa cheterevhizheni pamwe chete. Purogiramu isati yatanga, akauya kwandiri kuti andibate ruoko. Pandakaramba akabva angonyarara. Ko ndaigodii kumubata ruoko? Haana kugona kuzvinzwisisa. Inokuudza chimwe chinhu pamusoro pezvinokambaira zvakapusa izvi. Kusvirwa, makuhwa - kwavari, zvese zviri mukushanda kwezuva rimwe chete. Nei munhu achifanira kuvhunduka? Gare gare, pachirongwa, zvakazotaurwa kuti Guardian, kwaaishanda, akange agadzirisa The Holocaust Indasitiri pazvinhu zviviri. Akabvunzwa nemuratidziri, kana bhuku rangu raive rakaenzana naMein Kampf, aizosiya pepa here? Chokwadi kwete. Ko iye presenter wacho haana kuona kuti it's all a game?'
Wese mutambo unofanirwa kutambwa kuti uwane pundutso - hapana chinofanira 'kutorwa zvakanyanya' nevanhu vemakambani vanoratidza 'kusaziva kunoshamisa kwechokwadi' kune zvese zvakakosha.
'Plainly A War Crime' - Chorley Interviews Chomsky
Matt Chorley, aimbove weTaunton Times, anotambira nhepfenyuro paRupert Murdoch's Times Radio. Musi wa26 Kubvumbi, Chorley tweeted chikamu chekuedzesera kwake 'Zippy', chidhori muchirongwa chevana cheUK, Rainbow, chakaitwa kwemakumi maviri emakore kubva 1972-1992. Chikwata ichi chakaratidzawo Tim Shipman, mutauriri mukuru wezvematongerwo enyika weSunday Times, achipindura nekutevedzera kwake 'George', mvuu yepingi kubva kuchiratidziro chimwe chete.
Chokwadi, hapana chakaipa nokumbonakidzwa. Asi munguva pfupi yapfuura indavhiyu naNoam Chomsky, mwero weChorley's journalism hauna kukwira zvakanyanya. SaHasan naFreedland, uye mazhinji ehutori venhau, Chorley munhu ari kutevera Fromm's 'marketing orientation'.
Tinodzidza zvakawanda apo vanofarira vaChorley vanosangana naChomsky nevamwe vanopikisa vane mweya isingatengeswi; kwete nekuti vanaChorley vane zvakawanda zvekutaura, asi nekuti tiri zvapupu, kwete zvekungopesanisa pfungwa nehunhu, asi nezvemaitiro. Iko kupesana pakati pekutendeseka uye fakery, kujeka uye obfuscation, kubatanidzwa uye kusava nehanya, tsitsi uye egotism.
Kazhinji, kusawirirana uku kunosanganisira mubvunzurudzo wekambani anotarisa, kwete pakubvunza mibvunzo yechokwadi, asi pakukanda misungo munzira yaChomsky. Chinangwa chacho hachisi chokutsvaka zvaanofunga asi kumubata neimwe nzira, kuratidza kuti akanyengedzwa, kana kuti anopandukira. Chokwadi, mushure mekubvunzurudzwa, Chorley yakatsanangurwa chinangwa chake mukutaura naChomsky:
'Ona kuti mudiwa wenguva refu weRussia anotsanangura sei Ukraine.'
Izvi zvinojekesa imwe nzira isinganzwisisike naChorley mubvunzurudzo, zvichiratidza kuti Chomsky's 'anti-West chinzvimbo':
'… akakutungamirira kumubatanidzwa naVladimir Putin, uyo akanga ari rudzi rutsva rwemutungamiri weRussia. Uye zvese zvaive zvehunky-dory, kusvika panguva yaanopinda muUkraine, uye ikozvino uri kuyedza kuzvipembedza nemusuwo wekuseri - ari kukuregedza, Vladimir Putin.'
Chero ani anoziva nezveChomsky, anoziva kuti anazvo haana anga ari 'mufariri wenguva refu' weRussia Bolshevism, Russian Communism, Stalinism, Soviet state hudzvinyiriri zvakazara, uye kwete zvaPutin. Dambudziko, isu tingafungidzira, nderekuti Chorley haazive kuti anarcho-syndicalism chii, kana kuti Chomsky zvinorevei kana iye. anoti ndiye 'anobva kune mumwe mufambi' weanarchism. Uye saka, kubvunzurudzwa kwese kwaive kwakavakirwa pafungidziro yenhema yezvematongerwo enyika aChomsky.
Chorley akatanga zvine hushamwari zvakakwana, achibvunza mibvunzo isingakuvadzi pamusoro pebasa raChomsky uye pfungwa dzake pamusoro pepfungwa ye'pfungwa yeruzhinji'; kana akazviisa muboka iroro. Kunyatsoziva rudzi rwemunhu waaibata naye - Chorley anoshandira Murdoch, mushure mezvose - Chomsky akabva asimudza girazi kune maonero enyika yaChorley, achiona kuti iye naChorley vakaita rombo rakanaka rekukwanisa kupinda munzvimbo yeruzhinji uye kuita diki diki. pahurukuro yavose. Chinzvimbo chakaropafadzwa chinouya nemutoro chaiwo wetsika. Izvi zvakatoratidza gomba rinoparadzanisa Chomsky kubva mukusakendenga kwehunhu hwehutori venhau.
Chorley akabvunza kana Chomsky aifunga kuti tiri kurarama 'munguva dzine njodzi uye dzinovhiringidza' kupfuura zvizvarwa zvakapfuura. Chomsky akapindura kuti nguva yedu 'ine ngozi zvakanyanya', achitaura kuti iyo yakakurumbira Doomsday Clock yava kuyerwa sei, kwete mumaminetsi kusvika pakati pehusiku, asi mumasekonzi kusvika pakati pehusiku (ikozvino, 90 seconds). Kutyisidzira kuri kuwedzera kunosanganisira njodzi yehondo yenyukireya, asi pamusoro penjodzi yese yezvakatipoteredza:
'Tiri kumhanya takananga kumawere ekuparadza nharaunda. Tine makumi emakumi emakore atinogona kudzikisira kana kudzora, asi isu tiri kumhanya takananga kune yakapesana - hapana chingave nengozi kupfuura izvozvo. Izvi zvinoreva kusvika zvisingadzoreki zvibodzwa, panguva iyo, kungodzikira kwakadzikama kusvika pakuparadzwa kwehupenyu hwevanhu paPasi. Hatisati tambotarisana nazvo. Chaizvoizvo, tanga takatarisana nazvo nenzira kubva Nyamavhuvhu 6th, 1945, asi kwete pamwero uyu wengozi.'
Kazhinji kurudzi urwu rweutapi hwenhau husina basa, Chorley akapindura kumashoko aya akashata sokunge akanga asina kunyatsonzwa zvakanga zvataurwa, achipindura: 'Zvinofadza kuti; Ndanga ndichikubvunza…'. 'Zvinofadza' kwaisava kupinduka kwakadzama kune zvainge zvataurwa naChomsky. Chorley akaziva kuti vezvematongerwo enyika vaisanyanya kufarira kupindura dambudziko remamiriro ekunze. Kana tiri vamwe akati, 'tinopedza nguva yedu tichitaura tunyaya tusina basa'.
Ngatitii Chomsky anga ati chikoro chiri kutsva uye mazana evana ari kupiswa vari vapenyu. Tingaita sei kana mumwe munhu achipindura kuti nhau 'inonakidza', tisati tacherechedza kuti zviremera zvaiita sezvisingafarire kuita zvakawanda pamusoro pazvo, nepo veruzhinji vachiratidzika kuva vane hanya zvikuru nezviduku?
Shasha yakapfuura, hongu, pakudzvanya pfungwa dzakaipa kuburikidza nerudzi urwu rwekupopota, Chomsky akataura mamwe matambudziko asiri madiki ayo. ndivo yakakurukurwa: hondo yeUkraine, hondo yeYemen, 'kuparadzwa zvachose kweIraq, kuchiri kuenderera mberi; idzi inyaya dzakakomba kwazvo'.
Akataura, zvakare, kuti, gore rapfuura, kugadzirwa kwemafuta efossil kwakawedzera - US iri kuwedzera minda yemafuta matsva, ichivhura nyika dzemubatanidzwa kuti dziongorore uye kushandiswa kwemakumi emakore ari mberi. Nekuseka zvake kwakasviba, Chomsky akawedzera:
'Makambani emafuta ezvicherwa ari kufara netarisiro yekuwedzera rutsigiro rweveruzhinji kubhizinesi ravo rekuparadza hupenyu paPasi. Saka, hazvina kunaka.'
Chorley akabva asimudza nyaya yeUkraine:
"Zvirokwazvo, kuUK, kuruboshwe - pasi pevanhu vakaita saJeremy Corbyn - vakapokana kuti yakanga isiri Russia yaive muvengi, yaive US yaikanganisa nyika." Asi ipapo Russia inopinda nechisimba munyika yakazvimirira, yedemocracy pamuganhu wayo, kutanga kurwisana kwatora makumi ezviuru zvehupenyu husina mhosva. Ikoko hakuratidzi here kuti tyisidziro chaiyoiyo yenyika ndiani? Haisi iyo US, sezvo vakasiya vakakakavadzana kwenguva yakareba; iRussia yaVladimir Putin.'
Mushure meAfghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, uye mimwe mienzaniso yakawanda seyaungada kutaura, aya aive mashoko euhwana. Chomsky akapindura:
'Zvakanaka, kupinda kweUkraine zviri pachena imhosva yehondo. Haugoni kuzviisa muboka rimwe chete nemhosva huru dzehondo, asi ihuru.'
Ndedzipi mhosva dzaaifunga naChomsky? Akataura kuti UN nePentagon vanofungidzira kuti vangangoita 8,000 vagari vakaurayiwa muUkraine:
'Ndiyo vanhu vakawanda, izvo United States neBritain vanoita usiku hwose.'
Ehe, nhamba ye8,000 'inofungidzirwa isingatarisire', Chomsky akawedzera, asati apa nhevedzano yemafungiro ekuedza:
'Ngatitii zvakapetwa kaviri-zvinogona kuzviisa panhanho ye[1982] yakatsigirwa neUS, kurwisa kweIsrael muLebanon, kwakauraya vanhu vangangosvika zviuru makumi maviri. Ngatitii yabviswa nechikamu chegumi… izvo zvingaiisa muchikamu chehutsinye hwemagandanga hwaReagan muEl Salvador, ingangoita 20,000. Ehe, Iraq ingori imwe nhanho.
'Saka imhosva huru, imhosva. Asi iwe unogona kunzwisisa kuti sei Global South isingatore zvakakomba kuratidzira kwakanyanyisa kwenyika dzeWestern nezve "chiitiko chakasiyana munhoroondo". Vave vanyajambwa vezvakawanda zvikuru. Pamwe vanhu vekuRussia vachaenda kunhanho yedu… Pamwe vangatosvika pakurangarira hutsinye hwavo hwakaipisisa, seMariupol.'
Chomsky akataura kuti imwe yemhosva dzakaipisisa dzeUS muIraq kuparadzwa kweguta rakanaka rechitatu reIraq, Fallujah. Akacherechedza kuti US Navy ichangobva kutumidza zita rayo rehondo rekupedzisira, USS Fallujah, 'mukukudza kurwiswa kweMarine kwakaita humwe hutsinye hwakaipisisa muIraq. Zvakanaka, zvichida vokuRussia vachasvikawo ipapo, rimwe zuva.'
Chorley akati:
'Zvinonakidza zvakadaro, Noam Chomsky; tinonzwa zvimwe chete kubva kuruboshwe kuno kuUK…'
Chomsky akakanganisa:
'Hazvina chekuita nekuruboshwe…'
Izvi, zvamazvirokwazvo, zvinongori chokwadi - fungidziro yekufa inozikanwa, inovimbika zvakanyanya. Mhondi dzinozivikanwa. Hapana kurerekera kwemafungiro mune izvi zvakaonekwa. Ikoko is kurerekera kwepfungwa mupfungwa yekuti chokwadi ichi neimwe nzira 'nderuboshwe'.
Chorley akaenderera mberi:
'Uku kuyedza kuumba kuenzana, chinzvimbo chinopikisana neMadokero… Wangotora kuenzana nehuwandu hwevakafa munzvimbo dzakasiyana-siyana… Izvozvo hazviiti kuti zvakaitwa naVladimir Putin zvive zvakanaka, handizvo here?'
Ziva kuti, anzwa Chomsky achitaura huwandu hwakakura hwerufu kubva kumhosva dzekuMadokero, Chorley akashamisika kuti Chomsky angangove achireva kuti West yaive. pachikamu pamwe naPutin. Zvakanga zvisingafungidzike kwaari kuti Madokero angave ari zvakaipa. Ziva, zvakare, kuti Chorley akataura kuti Chomsky aishandisa kuenzanisa uku ruramisira Kupinda kweRussia masekondi mushure mekunge ashora zvakasimba kupinda uku achiti 'imhosva yehondo', 'mhosva yakaipisisa'.
Chomsky akati:
'Kwete kwete. Ndakati imhosva huru, asi hapana kuenzana – ndiko kutevedza gwara rebato. Ndakapa manhamba. Hapana kuenzana. Pamwe nhamba yevakafa yakapetwa kagumi kupfuura yaifungidzirwa. Zvakanaka, izvo zvingaite semhosva dzaReagan muEl Salvador. Hazvina kuenzana.'
Izvi zvakateverwa nekunyarara kunotaura kubva kuna Chorley, uyo pamwe pakupedzisira akazoona kuti Chomsky akanga achibvumirana kuti zvakanga zvisina kururama kutaura nezve 'kuenzana', asi kwete nokuda kwezvikonzero Chorley zvaaifunga.
Iko 'kuenzana kwetsika' kona yekurwiswa - yakanyatso kuitirwa kuti ive iyo inonyanya kutariswa mubvunzurudzo iyi - chinhu chakajairwa chebvunzurudzo dzemakambani naChomsky nevamwe vanopikisa. Chinangwa ndechekupa vanotsoropodza mutemo wekuMadokero sevarevereri vakamonyoroka kuvavengi vekuMadokero. Mubvunzurudzo yeBBC muna 2004, Jeremy Paxman akashamisika zvakajeka Akadaro kuna Chomsky:
'Unoita kunge urikureva, kana kureva - pamwe handisi kukuitira zvakanaka - asi unoita kunge uri kureva kuti pane kuenzana pakati pevakuru venyika vakasarudzwa nedemocracy vakaita saGeorge Bush, kana Prime Minister saTony Blair, nehutongi munzvimbo. seIraq.'
Kubvunzurudza aimbove Mubatsiri-Munyori Mukuru weUN, Denis Halliday, muhurukuro yeredhiyo yeBBC muna 2001, Michael Buerk akagumbuka. akati:
'Iwe haugone ... haugone zvichida tora kuenzana kwetsika pakati paSaddam Hussein naGeorge Bush Senior, unogona here?'
Zvisingadzivisiki - zvakare tichiregeredza izvo Chomsky aigara achingotaura - Chorley akaenderera mberi kune nharo asinganeti. enderera nezvinofarirwa neGuardian's George Monbiot:
'Asi ... ndinofunga, vamwe vanhu vanoteerera izvi vanozofunga kuti uri kutsvaga regerera zvakaitwa naVladimir Putin.'
Nharo iyi ine musoro - kana mutori wenhau asingakwanisi kukurukura mhosva 'dzedu' - asingatombofungi kuti mhosva 'dzedu' dzinogona kunge dzakaipa kudarika 'dzavo' - asi haakwanise kuramba chokwadi chisingarambiki chinoratidza kuti ndizvo zvazviri, anobva abuda. YeJail Yemahara kadhi ndeyekukurudzira kuti munhu ari kuita aya mapoinzi ari muchivande parutivi rweVakaipa Guys uye nekudaro haafanirwe kutorwa zvakanyanya. Kubva pachokwadi uchienda kune vavariro zvinotungamira kutarisisa kweruzhinji kubva pane chokwadi. Chomsky akapindura:
'Kwete, ndizvo a chigadzirwa yebapiro rerudyi; Handisi kutsvaga ruregerero. Ndakati imhosva huru yehondo; izvo hazvisi kuregerera chero chinhu. Ndiri kutaura nezve hunyengeri hwakanyanya hwezvipo zvekuti ichi ndicho chinhu chakaipisisa chakamboitika, kana chiri chidimbu chezvatinoita nguva dzese. Ndosaka Global South iri kuona nekunyomba apo vatauri vekuMadokero vane manyawi vanoedza kuvapa hurukuro vachiti: “Sei musingabatani nesu mukupikisa mhosva yakaipisisa iyi?” … Vanoseka vachiseka: “Ndizvo zvawave uchiita kwatiri zvachose!”
Asi 'sei Ukraine isingabatane neNATO?', akabvunza Chorley. Chomsky akapindura kuti:
'Chii chingaitika kana Mexico ikafunga kupinda mumubatanidzwa wemauto epasi rose anotungamirwa neChina, kutumira zvombo zvinorema kuMexico zvakanangana kuUnited States?… Chii chingaitika kuMexico? Yaizopeperetswa nemhepo. Unozviziva.'
Chorley akadzokera zvakare pane 'equivalence' dingindira:
'Asi wava kuenzanisa pakati peNato neChina neRussia; unoona kuenzana pakati…'
Zvekare, Chomsky akaramba kudai:
'Kwete handi; Nato mubatanidzwa une hukasha. Nato yakapinda muYugoslavia, ikapinda Libya, yakapinda muUkraine - yakatsigira kupinda kweUkraine - yakatsigira kurwisa kweAfghanistan. Iko mubatanidzwa wemauto ane hukasha. Munhu wese ari kunze kweMadokero anogona kuzviona. Kumadokero, hatibvumidzwe kuzvifunga nekuti isu tinodzorwa zvakanyanya nekuomerera kumutsara webato. Asi vamwe vose vanogona kuzviona.'
Zvekare, Chorley akarovera dingindira rekuti Chomsky aive imwe mhando yemutsigiri waPutin:
'Zvinonzwika kwandiri sewe ndivo vachipembedza kupinda nechisimba kweRussia muUkraine.'
Chorley akabva abvunza nezvaJeremy Corbyn. Akazoita zvakawanda zveichi chikamu chebvunzurudzo pa Twitter, zvisina musoro kuratidza kuti mubvunzurudzo akamutenderedza panhau dzese akanyengerwa zvekutenda kuti Corbyn aive akunda musarudzo dzemuna 2017.
Muchokwadi, Chomsky paakataura kuti Corbyn 'akunda kukunda kukuru' muna 2017, aireva kugadzira 'swing' yakakura mukufarira kweBasa kunyangwe kunetsa kwemukati nekunze kwekumisikidzwa. Muna 2017, iyo Independent Zvinonzi kuti Corbyn 'akawedzera chikamu cheVashandi pamavhoti akawanda kupfuura vamwe vatungamiri vesarudzo dzebato kubva muna 1945' ne'kuchinja kukuru kubva… nguva pfupi yadarika Hondo Yenyika Yechipiri'.
Mumubvunzo wekupedzisira, unoshamisa uchiratidza kuti aive asina hanya uye asina hanya sei panguva yese yebvunzurudzo, Chorley akabvunza:
'Pakupedzisira, zvino, ngatitenderedzei izvi; ngatiedzei uye tive netariro zvakanyanya… Ko zana rinotevera richava nani pane rapfuura here?'
Zvakare, zvakanga zvaita sokuti Chorley akanga asina kunzwa zvakanga zvataurwa naChomsky. Nehugamba, Chomsky akachengeta kushivirira kwake kwemasekondi mashoma kureba:
'Hakuzove nehupenyu hwakarongeka hwevanhu zana kubva zvino, kunze kwekunge tadzosera nzira iyo hutungamiriri hwave kutora mukumhanya pamusoro penzvimbo yekuparara kwemamiriro ekunze.'
Nenzira yekuseka kwekupedzisira, Chomsky akawedzera:
'Iwe wakaverenga ichangoburwa IPCC report, ndine chokwadi.'
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