Bernstein: Tinoenderera mberi nekuzivisa nezvemamiriro ezvinhu muHaiti, mamiriro ezvinhu ayo veruzhinji, vangangoita masangano ese ekushuma munyika ino akasarudza kusazivisa. Munguva pfupi yapfuura, Brazil inoenda kuwedzera 'mubatanidzwa wekuuraya' muHaiti.nekuwedzera uye kutumira mamwe mauto. Uku kunoratidzika kunge kunonakidza [kuseri kwekamuri] kubatana pakati peBrazil neUnited States. Inyaya yakakosha, isati yamboitika, ndinotenda, mudunhu rino nezvekubatana pakati peUN chaizvo, mapurisa asiri pamutemo uye mune dzimwe nguva akatongerwa varwiri vehondo yerufu. Kurwiswa kwepro-democracy, nharaunda dzepro-Aristide dzakaenderera mberi, kusanganisira kuurayiwa kaviri nemapurisa eHaiti svondo rapfuura. Nezuro uye nhasi mishumo iri kuenderera mberi yemapurisa emunyika yeHaiti achitsigirwa nezvikamu zveUN, achiita kutsvaira kukuru, kuenderera mberi nekuuraya, kusungwa zvisina tsarukano uye kuvharirwa, zvine chinangwa chekubvisa Lavalas.President Aristide's political party. Hutongi, chimiro cheUS disinformation chiri kugadzirira kutsigira kudzvanyirirwa uye kuenderera mberi kwekuparadzaniswa kweMutungamiriri weHaiti akasarudzwa, Mutungamiri Aristide. Kuzviparadzanisa nevamwe, kupatsanurwa pakati pake nevanhu vake, uye zvechokwadi dhimoni. Isu tinofara kuve naKevin Pina adzoka mu studio.
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Tisati tanyatsosvetukira mune izvi, ndiri kunzwa, munoziva, vanhu vazhinji vachifona uye kuratidza kuodzwa mwoyo kwavo, kusuwa kwavo nenyaya yekuti Kerry haana kukunda musarudzo, uye vanhu vachiti vari kunetseka kubuda. bed. Ndofunga ukashanda nevanhu vakaita seunoshanda navo, ukafonerwa pakati pehusiku, vanhu vachiisa hupenyu hwavo panjodzi, kwete nekuda kwesarudzo, asi nechikonzero, nemararamiro, nechiratidzo, ramangwana, kuvanhu, zvakaoma kuva neusimbe, handizvo here?
Pina: Iwe hauna sarudzo, haugone kuchema, unofanirwa kuramba uchienda kumberi, uye iwe unoziva ndinofunga vanhu vanokanganwa izvozvo, hongu, isu takanamatira mamwe makore mana ehutongi hweBush, asi ndozvakaitawo Latin America, iyo Caribbean, neHaiti, uye iwe unogona kufungidzira kuti izvi zvakasimbisa ese erudyi bapiro idiot muHaiti ikozvino. Saka, haasi mapurisa eHaiti chete ari kubatsirwa neUN kubvisa Lavalas, asi iwe unewo vanhu vane hunhu hunonyangadza, mhuri zana nemakumi mashanu dzine shamwari dzegorofu mubato reRepublican, avo zvino vakashinga nesarudzo yaBush. Uye iwe unogona kutarisira kuti ivo vachatora mabasa avo zvakare, kuti vatore chikamu mune iri kuuya, ndinotenda, izvo zvakafanana nekupondwa kwemarudzi muHaiti izvozvi.
Bernstein: Uye ndinofanira kutaura kuti kunyange ndisina kutaura zvakawanda pamusoro pemitemo yakatsigirwa naKerry, maonero akatorwa neDemocrats maererano neMiddle East, maererano neIraq, nePalestine neHaiti, danidziro yavo yakasimbisa, pakupedzisira, mitemo yeBush. manejimendi nekuti, zvakare, taive neDemocrat aiedza 'kuoma-kuoma' maRepublican. Saka kungoitawo kweiyo dual policy, tsigiro yepolicy yemhondi iyi, haina kana kumbobatsira. Ndinoda kusvika kumamiriro ezvinhu pasi, Kevin. Takava nemhondi mbiri idzi svondo rapfuura; kune zvakawanda zviri kuitika mumigwagwa; ngatitaure nezvemhirizhonga ichangoburwa; tizivise zvazvino.
Pina: Zvakanaka, zvinosetsa iwe unoziva, mushure mesarudzo yaBush humwe husiku, mafirework akaridzwa mune dzimwe nzvimbo dzakapfuma dzePetionville kumusoro kwezvikomo. Zuva rakatevera chairo, hongu, United Nations uye mapurisa eHaiti akadzokera kwairi zvakare mudzimba dzakaita seBel Air neCite Soleil, muGrand Ravine neMartissant. Zvanga zvave zuva nezuva zvino vachipinda munharaunda idzodzo; Ini ndinonzwisisa kuti muBel Air izvozvi ruzhinji rwevanhu havatombotyi kubva kudzimba dzavo, vanotya kuti ivo kana mumwe wevadikani vavo vachabatwa mune imwe yekutsvaira uku, nekuti vazhinji vacho Vatsigiri veLavalas nemapurisa vanozviziva, saka vanotsvaira havasaruri. Chero ani ari mumugwagwa anogona kutorwa uye kubatwa mumambure aya uye kuisa chiso chekutanga pasi, uye asingazive kana zvichave sezvazvaive Chipiri chapfuura, Gumiguru 26th, uko 13 majaya akaiswa kumeso pasi. pasi uye mumwe nemumwe aine bara rakapomba kuseri kwemusoro wavo.
Vasere vavo vakaperera mumochari saka tinoziva kuti zvakaitika; mimwe mitumbi haisati yawanikwa; tinotenda kuti majaya aya ane mitumbi isati yawanikwa, anogona kunge asina kufa nepfuti yekutanga mumusoro, uye ipapo akaparadzaniswa navo kuti ave nechokwadi chekuti vauraiwa zvakare uye vakandwa kumwewo. Zvino neChina, Gumiguru 28th varume vechidiki vashanu, zvakare, vakomana vadiki, 14, 15, 16 yemakore, vakaisa chiso pasi uye mabara akapombwa kumashure kwemusoro wavo nemapurisa eHaiti. Zvakaramba zvisingaite uye zviri pachena kuti, ukaona chero ipi zvayo yemifananidzo iyi, waiona kuti mumwe wevarume vechidiki muBel Air nemusi weChina wapfuura, musoro wake wakanga wakanyatsoputika nokuti vakamupfura nechombo chihombe chechigadziro chiri pedyo. , uye vakasiya mitumbi mumugwagwa kuti vanhu vaone. Iro rudzi rwekuita rinonyatso kuitirwa kutyisidzira vanhu, rakasiiwa sekadhi rekufona uye meseji. Hadzisi mhondi dzinongoitwa pano, uku kuponda nechinangwa chekutyisidzira.
Bernstein: Panyaya mbiri idzi, chii chatinonyatsoziva paive nemauto eUnited Nations, mauto eUN, maBrazil anonzi mauto anochengetedza runyararo? Vanga vari padhuze, tine rekodhi ravo here?
Pina: Aiwa, hatina nhoroondo yazvo, asi munoziva kuti hurumende yeUnited States yakatsigira yakabva yati yaifunga kuti Lavalas akapfeka zvipfeko zvemapurisa uye akaita chiito ichi. hurumende; unonzwa zvisina maturo zvakadai nguva dzose, asi chokwadi ndechekuti ikozvino tine humbowo hwakasimba uye zvapupu uye nhengo dzemhuri dzinouya zvino uye dzichipa tsanangudzo dzakawanda dzemayunifomu, emotokari dzemapurisa dzakashandiswa. United Nations yakanga isipo asi iwe unofanirwawo kuyeuka kuti kwave ne100 Royal Canadian Mounted Police vanga vachiraira mapurisa eHaiti kubva pakamanikidzwa kudzingwa kwaAristide February 29th; uye kuti Sangano Romubatanidzwa Wenyika Dzepasi Pose rakatora basa rokudzidzisazve mapurisa, uye izvozvo zvave zvichirevei? Izvi zvinoreva kubatanidza vaimbove mauto - mhondi dzakapidigura Aristide muna 1991 - mu[chipurisa], zvekutengesa. Ndichakupa muenzaniso: Aristide asati asimuka pakanga paine [chinhu chakafanana] nevakuru vedhipatimendi gumi mumapurisa eHaiti. Vaviri mugumi vaimbova vechiuto; nhasi, ivo 10% vaimbova mauto, uye chero mapurisa aifungidzirwa kuti ane chero rudzi rwetsitsi naLavalas akacheneswa zvine hungwaru, akapinzwa mukuvanda, [akave] nemhosva dzenhema dzakapihwa kwavari, kuitira kuti vachenese mauto. Mapurisa eHaiti uye zvino zvave, ingangoita, mauto eHaiti, zvakare. Kunyange panguva imwe chete izvi zvose zviri kuitika pasi pekutonga, pasi peaegis, pasi pekutungamirirwa, kana uchida, weUnited Nations mission.
Bernstein: Zviri kundikatyamadza. Kune vanhu vanozviona sevatori venhau, iyi inyaya, iyi inyaya inonakidza kune mumwe munhu anoda chaizvo kuisa munhenga mukepisi yavo uye kuve mutori wenhau anoferefeta, vanofanirwa kunyora rudzi urwu rwekubatana nekuti iyi inyaya hombe. Izvi ndizvo zvinondishungurudza semutori wenhau nekuti ndinoona, semuenzaniso, mune yeNational Public Radio, kuti vakangotaura zvisizvo sei vachidzokorora kupenga kwebvi uye kuenderera mberi, kana kusavhara zvachose; zvinokatyamadza zvakanyanya kuona rudzi urwu rwekuvhara paNPR, uye kuona kuti vangafuratira sei rudzi urwu rwenyaya sezvatinoiona ichiitika.
Ndinoda kutarisa kana tikakwanisa paCite Soleil. Ndanga ndiripo; Ndanga ndiripo neMutungamiri Aristide, kuti ndione rubatsiro runoshamisa rwevanhu varombo: zvichida kune vanhu varombo sevanhu vanogara muCite Soleil asi kune vanhu vashomanana varombo kupfuura ivo. Uyu ndiye murombo wevarombo, ava ndivo vanhu vakazvipira Aristide kwavari; waiona rudo rwavanonzwa. Waingoonawo kuti hupenyu huri kuita sei paawa yega yega vari varombo. Taura nezvekuti nharaunda iyi iri kunangwa sei iye zvino Kevin.
Pina: Izvo zvave zvisiri kungoitwa nemapurisa nemapurisa eHaiti kubva kunze, achitsigirwa neUnited Nations, kunze, asi mukati anga ari pasi pekuedza kukuru kwekusagadzikana nevamwe vevanhu vakafanana vaipokana naAristide naLavalas. Ndinofunga paive nechinyorwa muNew York Times svondo rapfuura, payakaratidza mamiriro ezvinhu muCite Soleil se, 'mhirizhonga yemapoka,' zvikwata zvanga zvave naAristide zvakamukira Aristide kurwisa zvikwata zvakasara. akavimbika kuna Aristide. Zvakanaka, vanhu [paNYT] havanzwisise kuti vanhu vakaita saApaid - Andy Apaid, uyo ari mumwe wevaridzi vakuru ve sweatshop muHaiti, ari chikamu cheBoka re184, iro rainzi "kupikisa" kuna Aristide. Irwo ruoko rwehukama neruzhinji rwuri muWashington, DC, chimwe chinhu chinodaidzwa kuti Haiti Democracy Project, iyo inotsigirwa nemari nemurume wekurudyi anonzi Reginald Boulos [we] mhuri yeBoulos, iyo inobatanidzwa zvakanyanya muCite Soleil. Vese Andy Apaid naReginald Boulos vakapomba mari yakawandisa muCite Soleil kuti vatenge zvikwata zvekupandukira Lavalas kuti vazorwisa zvikwata zvepro-Lavalas kuitira kuti vezvenhau vagare vachiti 'zvakanaka, kutaura kwedu kwakanaka uye kwakadzikama ndiko vanoti mhirizhonga yemapoka pakati peavo vaimbotsigira Aristide nevaya vasingachamutsigiri,' pasina kutaura [nezve] mari iri kukandwa muCite Soleil naBoulos naApaid avo, sezviri pachena, ndivo vaviri vevatsigiri vakuru. yekupandukira Aristide iyo yakapidigura [iye] Kukadzi 29th, asati aburitswa nechisimba neUS Marines.
Havambofi vakakupa kumashure saka pane nguva dzose, ingave iri Cite Soleil kana iri Bel Air, kana kuti chero chikamu cheiyi nyaya muHaiti, zvakafanana nezvose zvekambani zvinoshumwa: pane chiyero chenhema. Muzita rezvavanodaidza kuti kuenzanisa ivo vanowanzopa kutendeseka, semuenzaniso, manyepo nehurumende yeHaiti ichiti 'zvakanaka, haasi mapurisa akaita kuuraya uku, aive Lavalas akapfeka semapurisa akazviita.' Uye saka vanoti, kuti vave vakanaka uye vadzikame, vanofanira kusanganisira izwi iro rinobva radzivisa chokwadi.
Bernstein: Hongu, zvinovatadzisa kutora mutoro wavo wekuongorora uye kuona kuti chii chakaitika, izvo zvave zvinhu zvikuru zvekumhan'ara kwako, kuti vavepo uye kuti vazvidavirire. kutorwa nevarume vakazvifukidza kumeso ava vaiti mapurisa, [kwaari] kwakamira sei?
Pina: Achiri mutirongo, mhosva yake ichiri nyonganyonga, faindi yemakumi matatu; haasati aona mutongi. Vachaita naye zvavakaita nezviuru zvevasungwa vezvematongerwo enyika veLavalas: ngaaorere mujeri.
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