Bernstein: Mauto ehudzvanyiriri achimiririra puppet Prime Minister Latortue akaenderera mberi nekurwiswa kwavo nebato redemocracy. NeChipiri maU.S. aitsigira mapurisa eHaiti anonzi akapinda munharaunda yeFort Nationalle, akamanikidza vanhu gumi nevatatu pasi, ndokuvauraya mumwe nemumwe. Mumiriri weUN kuHaiti akadana hurumende yeUS kuti iongorore kuuraya uku. Vamwe vanobvunza kuti iyi ingori pro forma here nekuti mauto eUnited Nations anga achibatsirana nemapurisa ehurumende nevaimbove varwiri vehondo yerufu mukuchenesa bato rinotsigira demokrasi. Sezvatinoenda kumhepo kune kuratidzira muSan Francisco pamusoro pehurumende yeUnited States yakaiswa muHaiti nezviito zvayo zvechisimba. Panguva yekutepfenyura iyi tichaona kana tichigona kuenda kunotaura naPierre Labossiere pasi pakuratidzira uku. Asi ikozvino kubatana nesu mu studio ndeye yedu Flashpoints yakakosha mutori wenhau Kevin Pina. Kevin ari munyika nokuda kwekushanya kwekutaura kwekukurumidzira; tichakuudza zvimwe nezvazvo gare gare. Kevin, zvakanaka kuva newe mu studio.
Pina: Thanks Dennis, zvakanaka kuva pano.
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Bernstein: Zvakanaka, ngatiendei kune yakakomba mamiriro. NeChipiri, takanga tichinzwa mishumo ye, kunyanya, kuurayiwa kwevanhu vakawanda nevatsigiri vehurumende yakagadzwa yeU.S. Tiudze nezve, chekutanga, chatinoziva nezve chaizvo zvakaitika, tozotaura nezve kana isu tingatarisira chero rutsigiro rwekuferefeta kubva kuUN.
Pina: Zvakanaka, iyi ndiyo imwe chete yatiri kunzwa nezvayo yakasvika kumapepanhau; kwave nevamwe, asi nemusi weChipiri varume vakapakatira zvombo zvikuru vakapfeka ngowani nhema - inova yunifomu yechikwata cheHaiti S.W.A.T - vakapinda munharaunda yeFort Nationalle. Sekureva kwezvapupu munharaunda iyi, majaya gumi nematatu akatenderedzwa, akaradzikwa mumutsara wakareba, pamberi pemaamburenzi akati wandei, uyezve vakapfurwa zvakarongeka, maitiro ekuuraya, kumashure kwemusoro neSWAT nhengo dzechikwata. Misere yezvitunha izvi yakazoguma mumochari, nepo mitumbi yasara haisati yawanikwa. Zvinofungidzirwa kuti, pamwe, mitumbi yakasara, ivo vachiri vapenyu, vachiri kufema, uye kuti vanogona kunge vakarasirwa imwe nzvimbo mushure mekuiswa rimwe bara mairi.
Bernstein: Iye zvino, tinoziva kuti mauto aya anoshandira hurumende yeUnited States yakaiswawo anoshanda pamwe chete nemauto eUnited Nations. Chii chatingataure nezve mauto chaiwo eUN ari munharaunda, kana pedyo kana izvi zvichiitika?
Pina: Zvakanaka, tinoziva kuti mabasa ese emapurisa eHaiti anoenderana, achibatsirwa neUnited Nations mazuva ano. Gwaro reUN riri kushatirisa panguva ino. Iwe une zvese zvinogoneka zvechiuto cheLatin America [iyo] yakavakwa uye yakabhadharwa nehurumende yeUnited States ine nhoroondo yekudzvinyirira munyika yayo, ikozvino pasi muHaiti "inobatsira" mapurisa eHaiti. Mauto eBrazil, mauto eChile, mauto eArgentina, uye zvino vane mauto eHonduras, Guatemala, neEl Salvador. Vose zvavo, mumwe nomumwe wavo ane hutsinye hwekodzero dzevanhu munyika yavo, ikozvino chikamu chezvandinoti "mubatanidzwa wekuuraya" muHaiti nhasi.
Bernstein: Zvino ngatidzokere kuchiitiko ichi neChipiri. Tiri kutaura nezvekuti ichaferefetwa here uye nemazvo. Zvino kashoma kuti hurumende [yeU.S.] yakagadzwa yeLatortue ichanyatsoongorora mapurisa avo. Hatisi kuzoona kuferefetwa kubva kumhondi dzakapanduka dzemauto. Takaita pano kubva kuUnited Nations kuti vari kuda kuti paitwe ongororo. Ndeupi rudzi rwekuongorora kunofanira kuvapo uye chii chatingatarisira?
Pina: Chero kuferefeta kunotozofanira kupinda mubasa rehukama pakati peUnited Nations nemapurisa eHaiti. Izvi zvinosanganisira chokwadi chokuti pane 100 Royal Canadian Mounted Police muHaiti, avo vave vachishanda mukudzidzisa mapurisa eHaiti kubva pakumanikidzwa kudzingwa kwaJean Bertrand Aristide musi waFebruary 29th. Kana paine kuferefetwa kwechokwadi kunofanirwa kusanganisira chokwadi chekuti mapurisa eHaiti ari kubatsirwa, kutsigirwa uye kutsigirwa neUnited Nations, iyo inonzi isangano rimwe chete rinodaidzira kuongororwa.
Bernstein: Mumiriri we [UN] akadana kuferefeta.
Pina: .Chero ongororo chaiyo ichabatanidza United Nations nebasa rayo muHaiti.
Bernstein: Uye zvakare, iyi ndiyo nyaya inonyanya kukosha pano yekuti iwe une United Nations, uchiisa nyaya iyi inotyisa parutivi, une mubatanidzwa uko United Nations iri kunyatso kutamba basa repedyo mukucheneswa kwepro-democracy. kufamba.
Pina: Ehe, basa ravo nderei pasi, uye ndariona, ndakaridzidza, ndakaritora, ndakarinyora, ndezvekuti varipo kuti vaone kuti hapana kupikisa. nepo mapurisa eHaiti achiuraya zvakarongeka, achisunga zvisungo, kusungwa zvisina tsarukano, kuti aparadze bato rezvematongerwo enyika, Mutungamiriri Jean Bertrand's Family Lavalas bato.
[.] Tsanangudzo parwendo rwekutaura rwaPina, rwunowanikwa pa http://www.haitiaction.net [.]
Bernstein: Kevin, Mutungamiri Aristide akaita chimwe chirevo, zviri pachena kuti ari kure muSouth Africa; akapomerwa mhosva yekukonzera mhirizhonga. Vakurudzira kuti paitwe sarudzo dzakachena dzinosanganisira sangano reLavalas. Chokwadi izvozvo hazvisi kuzoitika, handizvo here?
Pina: Hazviratidzike kuti ndizvo zviri kurongwa pasi, kwete zvachose. Zvinoita sekunge izvo zvirongwa ndezvekutambudzwa, uye kubviswa, kubviswa kwemuviri, kubviswa kweFamni Lavalas. Zvino iwe unofanirwa kurangarira mukuru weBrazil, mukuru wemauto eUnited Nations anochengetedza runyararo vhiki nehafu yapfuura, masvondo maviri apfuura, akataura kuti yaive mhosva yaJohn Kerry kuti mhirizhonga ichangoburwa iyi yakatanga, nekuti munaKurume. 7th muNew York Times iye [Kerry] akanga ataura kuti dai akanga ari Mutungamiri, maererano nezvibvumirano muhemisphere, angadai akaita zvose, kupfuura hurumende yeBush ingadai yakaita, kuti ave nechokwadi chokuti Jean Bertrand Aristide akanga aenderera mberi. basa seMutungamiriri akasarudzwa nenzira yegutsaruzhinji. Zvakanaka uyu Mukuru Mukuru Augusto Heleno akati โzvakanaka, izvozvo zvakafanana naKerry ari kukonzera mhirizhonga muHaiti.โ Panguva imwe cheteyo mukutaura kumwe chete ikoko akati โchero kutaura kupi nokupi kwokuti Aristide aizokwanisa kudzokera kuHaiti hakuna maturo.โ Saka heuno Mukuru Augusto Ribero Heleno, mukuru wesangano reUN, mukuru wemauto eBrazil, mauto eUnited Nations anochengetedza runyararo muHaiti, achiraira mutemo wekuti ndiani uye chii chichava ramangwana reHaiti kune 8 miriyoni yevagari vayo. Chaizvoizvo, ari kuti 'hapana ramangwana naAristide, chero kutaura kwake kudzoka hakuna musoro, Lavalas anofanira kungopinda muusiku hwakanaka uye kuitwa neizvi.'
Bernstein: Uye ndosaka paine kuramba kuri kuramba muHaiti kuhurumende iyi yakagadzwa yeU.S. nekuti sangano repro-democracy rinotsigirwa zvakanyanya munyika yese uye pakaita sarudzo huru mune [iyo] ruzhinji rwevanhu veHaiti vakasarudza. Jean Bertrand Aristide. Ini ndoda kukubvunza, isu takataura nezve chirongwa ichi chatisingakwanise kuvimbisa kuti hurumende yeUS yakamisa ikoko inoda, semhando yemuenzaniso, kuchenesa, imwe nzira kana imwe, kana kuvadzinga kunze kwenyika, varovere pasi kana kuvauraya, 25,000 vanotsigira democracy. Ndiyo nhamba ine musoro here? Chii chatinoziva pamusoro peiyo mhando yehurukuro yekumashure?
Pina: zvakanaka, kutanga kune mitambo yakawanda yenhamba iri kuitika; ngatitangei nazvo, senge Associated Press neReuters, vari kutamba iyi nhamba mutambo. Ini ndinofunga huwandu hwakabva pakufa makumi maviri nemana kubva munaGunyana 24 kusvika zvino vanopfuura makumi mashanu vafa. Zvakanaka, hapana chimwe chazvo chiri chokwadi. Svondo rapfuura ndisati ndabuda munyika pakaita runhare rwakakosha, ndinofunga tinogona kunge takataura nezvenyaya iyi, pamwe paive svondo nehafu rapfuura, pakafonerwa nemukuru wemochari achiti mumochari yazara. kubva munaGunyana 30, uye vhiki nehafu yapfuura morgue yakanga yazadza kupfuura kugona kwayo uye aifanira kufonera Gurukota rezvehutano renguva pfupi kuti atumire dzimwe mota nekuti kwaive nemitumbi inopfuura mazana matanhatu mumochari mukati memavhiki maviri. Hapana chimwe cheizvi chiri kutaurwa neAssociated Press neReuters. Zvakanaka, mitumbi iyoyo yakabva kupi? Mamiriro ezvinhu emitumbi iyoyo ndeapi? Kana paine vanhu mazana matanhatu vafa mukati memavhiki maviri atakaziva netsaona nekufona neveruzhinji kubva kumukuru wemochari, [zvino] kangani dzimwe nhare dzave dzisina kuziviswa pachena, uko kwave nemochari. yakazadzwa kupfuura kugona? Saka kune kuuraya kwakawanda kuri kuitika pane zvatiri kudzidza nezvako, kupfuura zviri kuburitswa nenhau muHaiti.
Bernstein: .Iro ndiro izwi raKevin Pina, achitaura nezvehuwandu hwemhirizhonga pasi, izvo zvatinoziva chaizvo pamusoro penhamba uye pfungwa iyi yekuedza kuchenesa nhamba huru yepro-democracy movement.
Pina: Hongu, pane vanhu muLavalas vandakaita mabvunzurudzo navo, uye nenzira iyo izvi zvabva zvaita kuti hurumende iite mhirizhonga kubva pavakaverenga nezvazvo, zvekuti pane vanhu vakazivisa Lavalas nezvemusangano, a. musangano wakavanzika wakaitwa pakati penguva yeBazi rezvemukati menyika, Herard Abraham, aimbova General General muuto reHaiti, pamwe negurukota rezvemitemo, Bernard Gousse, naGerard Latortue, mavakakurukura kuti chii chaizotora. mazwi ekugumisa kushevedzwa kwekudzoka kwaJean Bertrand Aristide, uye kuti chii chaizotora kupedzisa kutenderera uku, nguva ino, neLavalas 'reticence' yekuzvibatanidza ivo pachavo musarudzo, izvo zviri kuvazvidza pakupedzisira; uye zvakakurukurwa zvichinzi muguta guru chete pachada kuuraiwa vanhu kana kumanikidzwa kubuda munyika iyi zviuru makumi maviri nezvishanu kuitira kuti vaenderere mberi nesarudzo idzodzo gore rinouya.
B Bernstein: Zvakanaka, kuchava nehondo huru yakatenderedza iyo uye iyo hondo iri kuumba zvakare munzvimbo yeBay uye yakatenderedza United States uko nhamba iri kukura yevanhu vari kuramba iyi US yakaiswa hurumende yeLatortue. Mumwe weavo ishamwari yako neyedu, uye yechirongwa ichi, Pierre Labossiere. Iye zvino ari mudhorobha reSan Francisco pakuratidzira. Pierre ndomumwe wevakatanga Haiti Action [Committee], uye unogona kuziva zvese nezvavo pa: http://www.haitiaction.net. Pierre, gamuchirwa kudzoka kuFlashpoints.
Labossiere: ehe, uri sei?
Bernstein: Ndakanaka, zvakanaka kuva newe pano naKevin. Tiudze kuti uripi uye chii chiri kuitika.
Labossiere: Zvakanaka izvozvi tiri pakona, tangosiya Market naPowell; tiri kufora tichienda, tichitora hasha dzedu kuna Bush naPowell, tichifora muna Powell Street uye pamwe unogona kunzwa mamwe manzwi kumashure uko; Ndichakuita kuti unzwe zvishoma.
Varatidziri: PEDISA BASA! OUT OF HAITI!! OUT OF HAITI!!!
Labossiere: Hongu, kuratidzira kwakasimba, uye tiri kufora tichipikisa basa iro Bush naPowell uye 'mubatanidzwa wekuuraya,' sezvakataurwa naKevin, kuti vakaisa pamwe chete, vachiuraya vanhu vedu muHaiti. Isu takatsamwa kwazvo pamusoro peizvi; kwakaitika Chipiri manheru muHaiti, maererano nekufungidzira kwakasiyana-siyana kwandakawana, vanhu vangangosvika makumi matatu vakapondwa munzvimbo dzakasiyana dzePort au Prince. Mhosva yavo ndeyei? Nekuti vanotsigira Mutungamiriri wavakasarudza, iyi imhosva yavo, saka isu takatsamwa kwazvo pamusoro peizvi uye tiri kuratidza kutsamwa kwedu uye tichikurudzira vanhu kuti vashevedze vamiriri vavo vakasarudzwa uye kuratidzira, kudana UN uye kupikisa kupinda kwavo mumusangano. hutsinye uhwu huri kuitika muHaiti. Uye ndinoda kutaura kuti Brazil ndeimwe yenyika, Brazil iri kutungamirira mauto eUnited Nations muHaiti, uye saka tinoda chaizvo hama nehanzvadzi dzedu kubva kuBrazil kuti varatidze kutsamwa kwavo kuhurumende yeBrazil, pamwe nehurumende yeChile. . Saka uku ndiko kushandiswa zvisizvo kweUnited Nations, izvi ndizvo.Ndichakuudza Dennis, ndakatsamwa kwazvo nezviri kuitika, unoziva? Izvi handizvo zvaifanira kuva UN.
Bernstein: Rega ndisvetukira muno, Pierre. Ndinoziva kuti pakati pezvikamu zvakaipisisa zveizvi kwauri pane idzi nhare dzaunowana kubva kuHaiti nguva dzose dzemasikati neusiku; ungatiudzewo nezvedzimwe nhare dzaunowana nezvevanhu vaunoziva, vanorwira demokrasi, vanorwira mubatanidzwa, mabatirwo avari kuitwa, kwavari, kwavari kutizira?
Labossiere: Hongu ndafonerwa neimwe shamwari yangu, akandifonera achindibvunza kana tine mari yekubatsira mhuri yake, nekuti mudiwa wavo akapondwa, akakuvadzwa nepfuti dzemapurisa, nekuti vairidza pfuti zvisina tsarukano; uye saka nekuti vaisada kutora mukana wekuendesa murume uyu kuchipatara, asi vakatozozviita mushure mechinguva, vakatozomuendesa kuchipatara, uye muchipatara aive mumwe wevanhu vakatorwa. mapurisa uye kupondwa, kubva kuchipatara! Iyi ndiyo mhando yezvinhu yatiri kuwana, idzi ndidzo nhare; sezvakangoita manheru apfuura ndakafonerwa nesangano revarimi uko nhepfenyuro, jenareta ravaive naro, raipihwa nevanhu vanobva kuBay Area. generator iroro, vaizoedza kuitora, mauto, ekare. mauto aizoitora. Mamwe macall ndawana; mutungamiri webasa Loulou Chery, nekuti mutungamiriri wevashandi asingaenderane nezviri kuitika muHaiti, vakamutevera ndokupamba imba yake, saka kakawanda aifanira kuhwanda kwaave iko zvino. Dzimwe mafoni nezve vanhu vakashungurudzwa, vanhu vakahwanda, zvinotyisa, zvinotyisa zviri kuitika.
Bernstein: Pierre, uri kutaura nesu kubva kuMusika wedhorobha naPowell, vanhu vanogona kuramba vachibatana nekuratidzira uku, kugovera kutsamwa kwako, kutaura vachipokana nekushanda kusiri pamutemo uku uko hurumende yeUS yakapidigura hurumende yakagadzwa yeHaiti naJean Bertrand Aristide. Pierre, isu ticharamba tiri pane izvi, ndinokurudzira vanhu kuti vabatane newe ipapo izvozvi; uri munzira kuenda kuBush naPowell?
Labossiere: Ndizvozvo.
Bernstein: Nzvimbo yakanaka yekuve. Uye tinokutendai nekuva nesu Pierre.
Labossiere: Waita hako Dennis, bye-bye.
Bernstein: Tiri kuenda kumusoro kuenderera mberi nenhaurirano yedu naKevin mangwana. Mashoko ekupedzisira nhasi Kevin.
Kevin: .Nyaya ndeyokuti zviri kuitika muHaiti hazvina kunaka, kuti zvinhu zvose izvo zvinonzi kupikisa kwaAristide zvakamupomera, kuva mudzvinyiriri, kusungwa zvisina kufanira, kuvharirwa, kuponda, hapana chakaitika pasi peAristide. kupikisa kunonzi kushorwa uye zvirokwazvo kana mukaona muHaiti nhasi zvamunoona kupomera kwavo Aristide kuva mudzvinyiriri kwava uprofita hwavo hwekuzvizadzisa muHaiti nhasi. Nhasi ndihwo udzvinyiriri hwechokwadi hwemhondi, kusungwa zvisina tsarukano, kuvharirwa, hakuna rusununguko rwevanhu, hapana rusununguko rwekutaura.
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