Andrew Smolski: Unoitei nezvezvino New York Times nyaya kuti vabatsiri vaTrump vakadzokorora kuonana nehungwaru hweRussia? Imhaka yekunyomba kune veUS intelligence agency? Kana kuti ivo zvechokwadi vakakurudzira hondo neRussia? Uku kungosagona here kwaTrump neCo.?
Joshua Frank: Kutendeseka, ndinofunga kuti ine zvishoma zvekuita neRussia uye zvakanyanya kuita nekusada kwavo Trump. Russia ndiyo chikonzero, kwete chikonzero.
AS: Sei zvishoma kuita neRussia? Iyo US haisati yave kusundidzira mberi ichienda kumuganhu weRussia nekuwedzera kufambisa kwemauto?
JF: Izvo zvave kuenderera mberi kweimwe nguva ikozvino uye zvechokwadi mauto nevehungwaru masangano muUS anga achisundira kune imwezve kunetsana neRussia, kungave pamusoro pezviito zvavo muCrimea kana Syria. Uku kuenderera mberi kweizvozvo, pasina kupokana. Ipapo pane kupomerwa kweRussia kubira sarudzo dzedu, pasina humbowo hwakaoma mufunge - asi zvinopomerwa hazvifanirwe kuve zvechokwadi kuita kukuvadza chaiko. Izvo zvakati, kune chikwereti cheCIA, ivo vanoziva chinhu kana zviviri nezve kukanganisa zvakabuda musarudzo dzekunze. Asi ini ndinofunga mune yaTrump, Russia inonyanya muvengi ari nyore pane ari pamutemo.
AS: Zvino maererano nezvematongerwo enyika, iro rinongova rombo rakanaka kune maDemocrats, kana nharaunda yehungwaru ingavada ivo musimba?
JF: Nenzira hongu, asi izvi zvinobatsirawo McCain bapiro reRepublican Party. Ini ndinofunga kuti ishoma nezve mubatanidzwa pane zviri pamusoro paTrump pachake, anoita seanozvidza bato.
AS: Bapiro raMcCain rinobatsira sei?
JF: Haisi chakavanzika kuti McCain anovenga Trump. Ane chikonzero chakanaka, Trump akarwisa McCain kakawanda. Kune ropa rakaipa. McCain anga ari akasimba, pro-intelligence Republican kwemakumi emakore. Ndiye mudhara wekare, uye sachigaro weArmed Services, McCain ane simba rakawanda - uye acharwisa chero kutyisidzira kusimba iroro. Asi pamwoyo wekuti kana, ndinofunga kuti nyama yemombe yaMcCain ndeyemunhu. Russia, zvakare, inzira iri nyore yekuti McCain arwise Trump - uye handina chokwadi chekuti ndiani anovenga zvakanyanya, Trump kana Putin. Enema imwe, madhongi maviri!
AS: Zvakanaka, saka kurwiswa kuviri nemapoka maviri ane simba mumakore makumi mana apfuura, neoliberals uye neoconservatives, zvichibva mukati mehutongi? Uye izvo zvakanyanya nekuti Trump ndeye vulgar?
JF: Zvizhinji kana zvishoma, asi iye anopfuura vulgar. VaTrump vatsamwisa vanhu vakakwana vari muCIA neRepublican Party kuti vagare kwehupenyu hwose. Azvidza basa ravo, vavariro dzeCIA nenhoroondo yavo (nekuda kwezvikonzero zvisiri izvo zvandingawedzera). VeDemocrat vanozviziva izvi, sezvinoita vazhinji vekuRepublicans vari kusemburwa naTrump. Ndinotarisira zvakawanda zvichauya. Kubuda kwakawanda, kupomerana kwakawanda – nechinangwa chekupomera mhosva uye kunyadzisa mutungamiri wavanoona seasingakwanisi uye asina kuvimbika. Kunyangwe Mitch McConnell ari kudaidzira kuti paitwe ongororo yakadzama pamusoro pekupindira kweRussia musarudzo dzapfuura. Izvi ndizvo chaizvo izvo vanhu vane njere vasingade Trump vanoda kuona zvichiitika. Air zvose kunze. Hazvizobatsiri Trump, kunyangwe hafu yetsvina yavanomukanda paari.
AS: Sei zvikonzero zvisiri izvo? Ndezvipi zvingava zvikonzero zvakanaka?
JF: CIA, sezvamunoziva, ine nhoroondo yakashata yekupindira mune zvekunze, kubva pakuita kweUS muhondo yezvinodhaka ine ropa kusvika pakutsigira vanopfurikidza mwero nemapoka anopokana kuti vaite basa rakasviba reUS pasi rose. Izvi zvingave zvikonzero zvekutevera CIA, asi hausi mutambo waTrump. Anovenga vanhu vekuLangley nekuti vanobvunza vavariro dzake uye vanoramba kuva varanda vake.
AS: Uye iwe unofunga kuti kuita kweKuruboshwe kunofanira kunge kuri sei? Isa kudzvanywa mune mamwe madomasi, senge pakubvakacha uye muhoro apo vepamusoro vachienda kune mumwe nemumwe?
JF: Zvakakwana. Hatifanirwe kurega izvi zvichititadzisa kurwisa shit yakashata yaTrump nevabatsiri vake mumapato ese ari kuita. Rega vemukati nevakuru varwe hondo dzavo mukati mehoro dzemasimba - isu tine hutongi hushoma pane izvozvo. Hachifanire kunge chiri mhere-mhere kuronga. Dai VaTrump vakabvisirwa perch yake tingadai tichine Mike Pence wekubata naye. Ndicho chikonzero nei tichida kufamba chaiko kuti tibate izvozvi.
AS: Ko Pence nemaRepublicans havazorambidzwe zvachose nekupomerwa?
JF: Nenguva pfupi zvichida, asi maRepublicans saMitt Romney naMcCain, uye kunyange Paul Ryan kusvika pamwero wakati, vachazvibvisa kubva kune Trump mess kana ikaitika. Vanofanira kudaro. MaDemocrat achabatsirika, asi ngatisazvinyengerera tichifunga kuti zvinopa simba vanofambira mberi muDemocratic Party. Zvakasiyana, zvingango simbisa avo vanoda kuenderera mberi nekukurudzira hondo yakawanda kuMiddle East uye kutarisana kwakasimba neRussia.
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