Bernstein: Mamiriro ezvinhu muHaiti ari kuramba achiwedzera, sezvo hurumende yeUnited States yakagadza hurumende iri kuramba ichityisidzira, kuunganidza, kusunga, kurova uye kuuraya nhengo dzeLavalas, bato guru reDemocratic democracy, ndiro bato guru redemokrasi. Tave nemazuva akati wandei tichishuma nezvekupambwa kwevafundisi vakati wandei vedemocracy vanoshanda nevarombo muHaiti. Pakati peavo vakaunganidzwa nekuzvuzvurudzwa pamberi pevana vavaidya ndiBaba Gerard Jean-Juste, munhu ane mukurumbira mubato reHaitian pro-democracy, uye shamwari yepedyo yeMutungamiriri weHaiti akasarudzwa zvakakodzera, Jean Bertrand Aristide, uyo. , unorangarira, akapambwa nehurumende yeUS. Tichienda kumhepo Jean-Juste achiri muhusungwa uye sangano repro-democracy ragadzirira kuita kuratidzira kwakakura kunyangwe kutyisidzirwa nehurumende yakagadzwa yeUS. Kubatana nesu kune ichangoburwa pamamiriro ezvinhu ndeye Flashpoints akakosha munyori ari pasi Kevin Pina; ari muPort au Prince, tambirai zvakare Kevin.
Pina: Thanks Dennis.
Bernstein: Zvakanaka kuva newe. Kutanga kwazvose, chii chatinoziva pamusoro pavaprista vakapambwa?
Pina: Zvakanaka, vaviri vavo, sezviri pachena, vakasunungurwa nezuro, mumwe chete achiri kusungwa ndiBaba Gerard Jean-Juste. Hurumende yeUS yakatsigirwa neLatortue iri kupomera Baba Jean-Juste mhosva yekuchengeta matsotsi uye kupinza pfuti kunze kwenyika, mhosva dzavanofunga kuti dzinosekesa. Zvakare, ndichamutora; akati รขโฌหmunhu wese anondiziva anoziva kuti ndiri murume asina mhirizhonga.รขโฌโข Chokwadi zvashamisa nharaunda muno nekunze kwenyika. Vanhu vanokatyamadzwa uye vakatsamwa muUnited States mose. Kana hurumende inotsigirwa naBush iyi yaida kuita chero chinhu kuti nharaunda yeHaiti iedze kumuvhota kuti abude pachigaro, zvirokwazvo vakaita izvozvo nekuvharirwa kwaBaba Gerard Jean-Juste.
Hurumende nhasi yachinja nyaya yayo zvakare. Nezuro vakanga vachiti chikonzero chavakanga vasunga Jean-Juste [chaiva] vakanga vaenda ikoko kunomubvunza. Vakakomberedza, sezvatakashuma, rectory yake ine pfuti huru, varume vane maski, maski matema nepfuti huru vakanga vasingazvizivi vamene, avo vaimutyisidzira sezvo akanga achibatira vana mupresbyterary yake. Vakazoti mushure mekunge vatsigiri vemunharaunda yavo varwisa mapurisa ndipo pavakazofunga kumusunga. Vakazochinjazve nyaya yavo nhasi vakati zvechokwadi vaive newarrant yekusungwa mumaoko vasati vaenda kudzimba. Zvinonakidza kuona vakomana ava vachikambaira uye vachitsvedzerera sezvo izvi zvichienderera mberi. Zviripachena vari kubata kupisa kwakawanda.
Bernstein: Vakatsanangura sei masiki, nei vakaenda ikoko nemasiki matema pazviso zvavo?
Pina: Zvakanaka, ndizvo zvavari kuita muguta guru mazuva ano. Pose mapurisa paanotanga sangano havaendi kunozvizivisa ivo; vanouya, haungakwanise kuvaudza kubva kumagandanga, uye vanhu vazhinji pano vava kuvadaidza kuti magandanga izvozvi, [nenzira] yavanopinda nayo nemasiki matema chete, zvisingazivikanwe, zvipfeko zvevanhuwo zvavo nepfuti hombe. Chinhu chinotyisa zvikuru kuona vakomana ava vachitamba. Nhasi zvakare kwanga kuri kuratidzira kunyangwe hazvo guta guru rakavharwa nevemabhizinesi. Vemabhizinesi vakadaidza Lavalas magandanga, uye vanga vakumbira mabhizinesi ese nezvikoro kuti zvivhare mikova yavo nhasi mukupokana neLavalas uye kumisa Lavalas kuda kudzoka kwaAristide imwezve nguva nhasi. Rangarira nhasi izuva regore regumi rekudzoka kwaAristide muna 10 achitungamira mauto eUS zviuru makumi maviri, akaitwa neMutungamiri Bill Clinton mune yainzi panguva iyoyo รขโฌหoperation Restore Democracy.รขโฌโข
Zuva rakatanga zvakaipa kwazvo nekuti pakare pakave nemishumo yevaimbova mauto avo United Nations nehurumende yeUS yakatsigira vabvumidza kupinda muguta guru mumazuva maviri apfuura. Pakange pava neshumo dzekuti vainge vapinda muLa Saline, inova pro-Aristide poor slum pazasi peDelmas 2, uye kuti vainge vapfura vanhu zvisina tsarukano, kuti vainge vatanga kuisa maroadblocks paRoute. Frere, mune chimwe chikamu cheguta guru. Pakarepo mushure mekunzwa nhau idzi vanhu veBel Air vakasimuka, zviuru nezviuru zvevanhu zvakatanga kuratidzira mumigwagwa vachida kuti Aristide adzoke. Mapurisa eNyika yeHaiti akabva aedza kupinda munharaunda. Vakaridza pfuti kuedza kuparadzira mhomho yevanhu. Zvinonzi, vapfuti vakati wandei kubva pamatenga edzimba nezvivakwa zvakatenderedza vakadzosa moto uye Mapurisa eNyika yeHaiti akamanikidzwa kutiza nekuchimbidza.
Bernstein: Pina [ari] kutaura nesu pasi muPort au Prince, Haiti uko sangano re-pro-democracy rakagadzirira kuita kuratidzira kushevedzera kudzorerwa kwedemocracy neMutungamiri akasarudzwa zvakakodzera Jean Bertrand Aristide. Iyo US yakaiswa hurumende ikoko iri kutyisidzira kudzvinyirira, kutyisidzira kuvhara guta; vakazarura, vakapa kiyi yemaguta kumapoka ehondo, kuvakuru vehondo; vamwe vevakomana ava vakabatwa nemhosva dzinotyisa. Kevin, ndinoda kudzoka kuna Baba Jean-Juste kwechinguva. Ndinoda kutaura zvishoma nezvake uye manyorerwo avari kuita uye nekumurwisa. Uye ndinoda kuti uuye nenzira mbiri idzi: chekutanga, ndinoda kuti utaure zvishoma pamusoro paBaba Jean-Juste uye zvavaiita maererano nezvinonzi รขโฌหDhipatimendi reGumiรขโฌโข. muHaiti, kutapwa kwake, uye ipapo kuyeuchidza vanhu kuti vakaita chinhu chimwe chete uye kuramba vachiita chinhu chimwe chete kuna Mutungamiri Aristide, maererano nemhosva dzisingadaviriki; vanongodzikanda kunze vodzikanda kunzeรขโฌยฆuye zvingave zvinoitwa nevemainstream press neNPR ndezvekuti vanodzokorora mhosva pasina tsananguro kana kuti havangovharidzi kuuraya zvachose.
Pina: Mushure mehondo yehutsinye yakaitika muna 1991, Baba Gerard Jean-Juste vaive neushingi pakurwisana nemauto, zvekukurudzira vanhu kuti vashandise kurwisa kusiri kwechisimba kurwisana nemauto. Panguva iyo vanhu vazhinji vaitizira muhutapwa, Baba Jean-Juste vakakurudzira vanhu kuti vagare uye vatarise mauto uye ndipo pakavakirwa zita rake semweya wakashinga. Iye pachake akatambura zvakaipisisa panguva iyoyo, shamwari dzake dzinodiwa dzakawanda dzakaurayiwa, nguva dzose dzichifanira kufamba apo mauto akanga achishingaira kuedza kumuronda, kumuvhima. Akatengeswa kakawanda nevanhu asi akakwanisa kuponeswa uye kukurudzirwa uye kubatsirwa nevamwe vaimuchengeta, vakamudzivirira.
Mushure mekudzoka kwaAristide muna 1994, akazove Gurukota reChigumi Dhipatimendi. Dhipatimendi reGumi ndiro Diaspora chaizvoizvo, maHaiti anogara kunze kwenyika. Mubasa iroro akanga abatsira kuvaka masangano evaHaiti mukati meUnited States vaizoshanda nesimba kuti vavakezve Haiti, avo vaizoshanda nesimba kukurudzira mapurogiramu ekuverenga nekunyora. Akanga ari rimwe remanzwi ane ruzha zvikuru achikurudzira kuverenga, kuverenga nekunyora kwepasi rose kune varimi muHaiti. Munhu chete akaita basa guru mukuzviratidza nguva nenguva maererano nekuzvipira kwake kuvarombo uye kuzvipira kwake kusimudzira nebudiriro munyika ino. Zvechokwadi kurwiswa kunoenderera mberi pamusoro pake, kuuraya kwemunhu kunoenderera mberi kwaari, kunyange nhasi.
Murume anove muparidzi werag rekurudyi reHaitian rag, iro raive izwi remauto eHaitiรขโฌยฆmuna 1991 akadana Haiti Observateur, zita rake anonzi Raymond Joseph, akazove mutori wenhau neNew York Sun, uyezve. achipihwa mubairo wemanyepo akashata aakaita kubatsira kukanganisa hurumende iyi Aristide asati adzingwa, akabva aita mumiriri wemumiriri weHaiti muWashington uye achiri pachinzvimbo ichocho nanhasi. Achangobva kuburitsa imwe nyaya muNew York Sun nhasi, ndinoziva kuti ruzivo rwakabva kwaari, achipomera Jean-Juste kuti akanyora chinyorwa paakati Mutungamiri Bill Clinton akakurudzirwa naAristide kushandisa mupirisita wevoodoo kuti akunde. sarudzo, kusarudzwa kwake zvakare, uye kuti Clinton anga asina kuchinja zvipfeko zvake zvemukati kwevhiki nezano remupristi wake wevoodoo uyo Aristide akanga amukweretesa kuti akunde mutsara wake wesarudzo muna 1992., kusarudzwazve kwaBill Clinton.
Idzi manyepo emhando idzi idzo Raymond Joseph uye Haiti Observateur uye zvimwe zvinhu zverudyi-bapiro reactionary nharaunda muHaiti zvinoenderera mberi nhasi vachipokana naBaba Jean-Juste uye zvirokwazvo ivo chikamu chezviri kusimbisa hurumende iyi izvozvi kutora. kuita kwakashata uku panyaya yekumusunga nekumuisa mujeri nhasi. Idzi imhosva dzakashata; Jean-Juste angadai asina chekuita nekubata pfuti; Murume uyu ndakamuziva kubva muna 1991 pachangu uye ndinogona kukuudza kuti zvichibva pakuzvipira kwake kuvarombo uye zvichibva pakuzvipira kwake mukusaita mhirizhonga, zvinoita sezvisina musoro kuedza kumuroverera mhosva iyoyo. Ndinofanira kutaura chimwe chinhu pamusoro pezvandambotaura. Nhasi, kuvharwa kweguta guru rakadaidzwa nevebhizinesi nharaunda, Haitian Chamber of Commerce, ndinofanira kutaurawo kuti kuvharwa uku kwakatsigirwa neUS Embassy, โโiyo yakavharawo nekuvhara mikova yayo nhasi. Vagari vakati wandei vemuUS vakatsamwa nekuvharwa kweEmbassy yeUS, mukuita "kubatana" nevebhizinesi reHaiti nhasi, nekuti vakati ko kana tichifanira kubuda nekuda kwemhirizhonga iri kuwedzera muHaiti uye hurumende yedu yakavharwa. ratidza kutendera kwayo nzanga yebhizimisi.
Mamiriro ezvinhu pano achangobuda uye ndinofunga mazwi chete ekushandisa izvozvi ndeokuti iyi inyika yakagadzirira hondo yevagari vemo. Izvi hazvisi kuzoenda, izvi zvichawedzera nekufamba kwemazuva, mavhiki nemwedzi iri kuuya. Hurumende inotsigirwa neAmerica iri kuti izvi zviri kungoitwa zvekuda kunyadzisa VaBush kuitira kuti vakunde VaBush vape Kerry mukana. Zvakanaka, kunyangwe Mutungamiri Bush vakakunda, zvichienderana neruzivo rwangu rwezviri kuitika mumigwagwa nhasi muno muHaiti, izvi hazvisi kuzopera kunyangwe Mutungamiri Bush vakahwina sarudzo idzodzo zvakare.
Bernstein: [รขโฌยฆ] Kevin, wakapedza nguva yakawanda muHaiti uye wanga uripo kuHaiti kuti uite zvinyorwa muna 1990 nezve hutsva hutsva hwedemocracy mushure mekusarudzwa kwaJean Bertrand Aristide uye iwe wakaguma kumutora firimu achibudiswa kunze. muma handcuffs. Ndinoda kuti vanhu vanzwisise kuti inguvai uye kuti wakaona kutenderera uku pakupedzisira, tisati taenda kuIraq nePalestine, mamwe maviri ane hukama neUS, kana mabasa eUS kana uchida. Tiudzei mamiriro ezvinhu maererano nechikafu, chekurapa, muchidimbu, chii chiri, rudzi rwe, mamiriro ekukurumidzira pasi? Ndezvipi zviri kunetsa zvikuru vanhu vari mumabasa ekurapa, muzvikoro, chii chiri kuitika padanho remumugwagwa iroro?
Pina: Ndichakuudza, nhasi dambudziko rakakura nderekuti vanhu vachipfurwa mumigwagwa, sezvandambotaura, nevaimbova mauto paDelmas 2 neLa Saline, uye sezvo paine vanhu vakakuvara vakatanga kukwira. mapurisa aive nepfuti muBel Air pane mitumbi yaiendeswa kumochari. Mochari yakanga yazara, mumochari makanga musisina nzvimbo. Chipatara cheGeneral Hospital chaifanira kufonera bazi rezvehutano nhasi kuitira kuti vadaidze motokari dzechimbichimbi kuti dzibvise zvitunha zvinodarika mazana matanhatu zvanga zvakachengetwa ipapo, izvo zvanga zvichiuya kubva mukuurayiwa kwemavhiki maviri apfuura chete. Ndiko kuwanda kwekuuraya kwave kuitika muno mumigwagwa yeHaiti kusati kwave / kutaurwa uye kusati kwataura nezvazvo. Zvakanaka, AP yanga ichitaura nemapurisa ichiti vanhu zana nemakumi mana chete vasungwa. Nhasi, hurumende yabvuma kuti mazana akasungwa uye iye zvino ari kuzadza majeri uye kuti majeri azara zvokusagona kuisa vasungwa vakawanda. Ndizvo zviri kuitika kuzvivakwa zveHaiti nhasi.
Chiyero chehudzvanyiriri, huwandu hwemhondi, huwandu hwevakasungwa hwakaomesera hurongwa kusvika pakuparara. Panguva imwecheteyo hapana hupenyu hwakajairika pano. Mamiriro ezvinhu aya akaitwa nekudzingwa kwemutungamiri wenyika yegutsaruzhinji Aristide haana kutorwa nehutungamiri hwaBush. Chavakangoita kutsiva รขโฌหnyika yakakundikanaรขโฌโข vachitsiva nyika yaitokundikana. Zvirokwazvo, isu hatigone kutaura kuti kutsigira kwavo kunonzi kupikisa, uye ini ndinofanira kutaura izvi zvakare, regai ndiite izvi nekukasira: chii chiri kuitika kuna Lavalas nhasi, ini handina kumbobvira, mumakore mana apfuura izvo. Ndakanga ndiri pano, kusanganisira iyo yakanyanyisa, kuratidzira kwechisimba kwevanopikisa, handina kumboona Hurumende iri pasi paJean Bertrand Aristide ichiita chero chinhu kune icho chinonzi kushorwa, chero chii chiri kuitwa kuLavalas nhasi. Kupikisa kwaAristide kumashure kwakadana Aristide mudzvanyiriri. Zvakanaka nhasi zvinoita sekunge ndiko kune chiporofita chinozvizadzisa. Nhasi handisati ndamboona Haiti isina rusununguko rwokutaura zvakadai; Handisati ndamboona Haiti isina rusununguko rwakadaro, sezvandiri kuona nhasi. Ini handina kumboona mumakore iwayo kuti vaiti Aristide aive hudzvanyiriri mushandirapamwe wekudzvinyirira chero seyandiri kuona ichiiswa nhasi ichipokana naLavalas. Uye ndinofunga kuti vanhu vakatevera izvi vanogona kuzvinzwa muzwi rangu-hazvitsananguriki kutaura nezvechokwadi ichi maererano nehungwaru. Ichokwadi chakachinja musoro wayo, uye ndiwo mhedzisiro yemitemo yakakundikana yeBush manejimendi muHaiti.
Bernstein: Zvakanaka, tichazvisiya ipapo. Kevin Pina tichakukurudzira kuti uchenjere, nekuti tinoziva kuti uri pachiratidziro che radar ipapo, yehurumende yakaiswa yeUS, uye tinoziva kuti une mwana mudiki kwazvo ipapo, saka tinokukurudzira kuti uve. ngwarira. Tiri kutarisira kuti iwe uuye kuzoshanyira pano; tinenge tichitaura tese, ndinotenda, kuchechi yeko paรขโฌยฆasi Kevin ndapota chenjera
Pina: Ndichadaro, uye Mwari akomborere shamwari dzangu dzose
Bernstein: Maita basa. Kevin Pina achitaura nesu kubva kuPort au Prince, Haiti uko mamiriro ezvinhu, zvakanaka, mumwe muenzaniso weBush policy.
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