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Monga khothi la apilo ku London likusankha ngati woyambitsa WikiLeaks a Julian Assange atengedwera ku United States chifukwa chofalitsa zikalata zachinsinsi zowulula milandu yankhondo yaku US, tikupita ku London kukalankhula ndi wolemba komanso wogwirizira waku Britain Tariq Ali. Assange akuyang'anizana ndi zaka 175 m'ndende ku US pansi pa Espionage Act chifukwa chofalitsa zikalata zachinsinsi zowulula milandu yankhondo yaku US, kuphatikiza ku Iraq ndi Afghanistan. Ali akuti mlanduwu ndi "mlandu wandale" komanso "kuyesa kolanga kwa boma la Britain ... kuyesa kulanga Julian m'malo mwa United States." Timakambirananso za kufunikira kwa mavumbulutso a WikiLeaks powulula ziwonetsero zaku US, kuphedwa kwa anthu wamba, kuzunzidwa ndi nkhanza zina zomwe zidachitika ku Afghanistan, zomwe Ali akuwunika m'buku lake latsopano, "The Forty-year War in Afghanistan: A Chronicle Foretold."
AMY GOODMAN: Tikuyamba lero kupita ku London. Maloya omwe akuyimira oyang'anira a Biden abwerera m'bwalo lamilandu ku London akufuna kuti woyambitsa WikiLeaks a Julian Assange atulutsidwe. US ikudandaula chigamulo cha woweruza waku Britain yemwe adaletsa kutulutsidwa kwa Assange mu Januware, ponena kuti sangakhale otetezeka kundende yaku US chifukwa chakuwonongeka kwa malingaliro ake komanso kuti akhoza kudzipha. Assange akuyang'anizana ndi zaka 175 m'ndende ku US pansi pa Espionage Act chifukwa chofalitsa zikalata zachinsinsi zowulula milandu yaku US ku Iraq ndi Afghanistan. Assange wamangidwa ku England kwa zaka ziwiri ndi theka. Izi zisanachitike, adakhala zaka zoposa zisanu ndi ziwiri ku ofesi ya kazembe wa Ecuador ku London, komwe adapatsidwa chitetezo chandale.
Lachitatu, maloya aku United States adakayikira umboni wa dokotala wamisala yemwe adati Assange anali pachiwopsezo chodzipha. US idaperekanso zitsimikiziro za momwe a Julian Assange angachitire ngati atachotsedwa. Maloya adatinso atha kukakhala kundende kwawo ku Australia ngati khothi la US lingamupeze wolakwa. Mlanduwu umabwera patangotha โโโโmasabata angapo pambuyo pa Yahoo News kuwululidwa ndi CIA adaganiza zopha kapena kubera Assange.
Lachitatu, a Julian Assange adawonapo zina mwazomvera zomwe zatulutsidwa ndi ulalo wamavidiyo, koma mnzake Stella Moris akuti sakumva bwino. Adalankhula kunja kwa bwalo lamilandu ku London Lachitatu mlandu woti atulutsidwe asanayambe.
Stella MORIS: Ndimakhudzidwa kwambiri ndi thanzi la Julian. Ndinamuwona Loweruka. Ndiwoonda kwambiri. Ndipo ndikuyembekeza kuti khothi lithetsa vuto loyipali, kuti Julian atha kubwera kunyumba posachedwa ndikuti mitu yanzeru ipambana.
AMY GOODMAN: Stella Moris ndi mayi wa ana awiri a Julian Assange. Adabwerezanso kuyimba kwake kuti Assange amasulidwe.
Stella MORIS:Julian sayenera kuchotsedwa, chifukwa anali kuchita ntchito yake monga mtolankhani. Akuimbidwa mlandu ngati mtolankhani. Ndipo US yagwiritsa ntchito molakwika malamulo, mapangano ndi dziko lino. Ndi kugwiritsa ntchito molakwika mapangano extradition ndi dziko lino kuti kumva izi lero. Izi ziyenera kufika kumapeto. Julian ayenera kumasulidwa.
AMY GOODMAN: Maitanidwe oti Julian Assange amasulidwe akukula. Kumayambiriro kwa mwezi uno, mabungwe 25 a mabungwe aboma adalembera kalata woimira boma ku United States Merrick Garland kuti achotsedwe. Maguluwa akuphatikizapo Amnesty International, a ACLU, Reporters Without Borders ndi Electronic Freedom Foundation. Pomwe mlanduwu udayamba Lachitatu, bungwe la International Federation of Journalists, loyimira atolankhani opitilira theka la miliyoni padziko lonse lapansi, lidatulutsa zotsatsa zamasamba athunthu m'magazini osindikizidwa. The Times ya ku London yomwe inati, โUfulu wa atolankhani ukuwonongeka kotheratu chifukwa chopitirizira kuzemba mlandu Julian Assange.โ
Tikupita ku London, komwe tidalumikizana ndi Tariq Ali, wolemba mbiri, wochita ziwonetsero, wopanga mafilimu, wolemba, ndi mkonzi wa Kukambitsirana Kwatsopano Kumanzere. Iye ndi co-editor wa buku la 2019 Kuteteza Julian Assange. Tariq ali ndi buku latsopano lomwe likutuluka posachedwa Nkhondo Yazaka 40 ku Afghanistan: Mbiri Yanenedweratu.
Takulandilaninso ku Demokarase Tsopano!, Tariq.
Mtengo wa TARIQ ALI: Moni, Amy.
AMY GOODMAN: Mudatumikira ku Belmarsh Tribunal pamlandu wa a Julian Assange sabata yatha, yomwe idakhazikitsidwa ndi Bertrand Russell Tribunal kuzungulira Nkhondo yaku Vietnam m'ma 1960, yomwe mudatumikirapo. Tikufuna kuyankhula zambiri za Afghanistan, koma izi zikugwirizana mwachindunji ndi Julian Assange pazomwe akuimbidwa mlandu womasula, mwa zina, zolemba za nkhondo za Iraq ndi Afghanistan War Diary, zikwi zikwi za zolemba zomwe US โโanachita ku Afghanistan. kwa zaka zambiri. Kodi mungalankhule za kufunika kwa kumva uku, ngati izi zikuwunikiridwa m'masiku awiriwa?
Mtengo wa TARIQ ALI: Amy, monga mwanenera kale, lero ndi tsiku lachiwiri la mlanduwu. Tikuganiza kuti atha lero. Chitetezo chikuyika zifukwa zake lero, ndipo mzere wawo ndi womveka bwino: A, kuti uwu ndi mlandu wandale, womwe suloledwa ndi malamulo a Britain. Tulakonzya kumvwa kuti buumi bwa Julian bwakali buyo mbuli mbwaakaamba naa kuti tacikonzyeki kuba muntolongo, ambweni buya kuzwa ku United States.
Momwemo, zomwe zikuchitika ndikuyesa chilango cha boma la Britain - ndiyenera kunena izi - kuyesa kulanga Julian m'malo mwa United States. Palibe bwalo lamilandu la ku Britain lomwe lingatsutse Julian kapena kulola kuti atumizidwe kudziko lina malinga ndi malamulo omwe analipo kale. Ndipo chifukwa chake, pali chiyembekezo choti ngati Khothi Lalikulu lingagamula m'miyezi ingapo kuti lisagwirizane ndi apilo ya US kuti abwezedwe, Khothi Lalikulu pano silidzachitanso apilo. Palinso chiyembekezo kuti boma la Biden livomereza chigamulochi, ngati chitachitika. Ngati Khoti Lalikulu, likumvetsera mlanduwu, ngakhale pamene tikulankhula, likuganiza kuti Julian ayenera kuchotsedwa, tidzachita apilo ku Khoti Lalikulu, zomwe zikutanthauza kuti idzachedwa. Koma kuti Julian akusungidwa m'ndende yachitetezo chapamwamba, Belmarsh, komwe kuli gehena, komwe thanzi lake likuipiraipira, ndichinthu chochititsa manyazi kwambiri. Ngati atsekeredwa m'ndende, ayenera kukhala m'ndende yotsika, chifukwa amayika zigawenga zambiri zamakampani akamayimbidwa milandu yayikulu yazachuma. Chifukwa chiyani Julian ayenera kukhala m'ndendeyi ndi kubwezera. Palibe njira ina yofotokozera izo. Ndipo boma ili ndi mlembi wake wakunyumba ayenera kudzichitira okha manyazi, chifukwa ndi kumene madongosolo amachokera.
Tsopano, zomwe Julian wachita ndi zomwe ena adachitapo kale. Zinachitika mu nthawi ya Vietnam, monga tikudziwira. Izi zidachitika posachedwa ndi Edward Snowden. Kutulutsa zinsinsi mokomera anthu, ndizo zonse zomwe adachita. Palibe chomwe adatulutsa chomwe sichiloledwa, chomwe chimawopseza aliyense. Anangotulutsa zikalata, zoperekedwa kwa iye ndi Chelsea Manning, kuwulula ndi kuwulula milandu yankhondo yaku US ku Iraq komanso ku Afghanistan. Kupatula apo, WikiLeaks adasindikiza zikalata zopezeka kwa izo, zomwe ndi zikalata zovomerezeka koma zimangokanidwa kwa anthu. Zili ngati kunena kuti anthu, nzika za United States ndi dziko lonse lapansi, ndi ana, ndipo โosati pamaso pa ana.โ Timaphwanya malamulo, koma osati pamaso pa ana. Koma anawo amadziwa. Ndipo ana akauzidwa ndi kuuzidwa zambiri, pamakhala mantha.
Akuganiza kuti zomwe ziti zichitike ndiye kuti Julian adzaweruzidwa, kuti aphedwe, ngati atatumizidwa ku United States. Sindikhulupirira mawu omwe maloya aku America ali - maloya oteteza United States akunena mu Khothi Lalikulu. Amatha kupanga malonjezo amtundu uliwonse. The CIA, boma lachinsinsi la US likhoza kuphwanya malonjezowa nthawi iliyonse yomwe akufuna, movomerezeka. Iwo ali ndi ufulu wochita zimenezo. Choncho, palibe amene akukhulupirira zimene zanenedwa.
Ndipo chilango cha Julian Assange chapangidwa kuti chiletse ena kuchita zomwezo. Izo sizigwira ntchito konse. Deterrent sichigwira ntchito, monga momwe US โโiyenera kuti idazindikira kale pamapulogalamu ake a chilango chachikulu. Ndipo izi sizigwira ntchito. Monga momwe mlandu wa Snowden ukuwululira, zomwe zimachitika ndi munthu wosalakwa, yemwe amagwira ntchito ku imodzi mwa mabungwewa kapena m'gulu lankhondo, monga momwe zinalili ndi Chelsea Manning, amawerenga chinachake kapena mboni chinachake chomwe chiri chowopsya kwambiri kuti chikutsutsana ndi chikumbumtima chawo kukhala chete. Ndipo lingaliro ili la iwo kuti lipite pagulu, palibe amene ali nalo - silinakonzedweratu. Sichiwembu. Iwo adabwa ndi zimene aona. Izi ndi zomwe zinachitikira Julian Assange. Sichidzachiletsa pomulanga. Zidzachitika mobwerezabwereza, malinga ngati milanduyi ikupitirira kuchitika. M'malo moyesa iwo omwe achita zolakwa izi, akulunjika kwa mesenjala yemwe adalengeza kuti milanduyi ikuchitika, pankhondo iliyonse yomwe yachitika kuyambira 9/11, nkhondo zisanu ndi imodzi zonse.
NERMEEN SHAIKH: Tariq, ndingakufunseni mwachindunji za imodzi mwamitsutso yomwe maloya aku US adapereka ku Khothi Lalikulu la Britain, ponena kuti Julian, ngati atapezeka kuti ndi wolakwa, atha kukhala m'ndende ku Australia? Tsopano, Australia sinavomereze izi, ndipo mlandu uliwonse womwe ungachitike ku US utha kutenga zaka 10. Koma mukuganiza kuti izi ndi zofunika bwanji? Ndikutanthauza, inu mwanena kuti akhoza kugubuduza, koma mukuganiza kuti izi kusintha maganizo a mfundo zotsutsana extradition?
Mtengo wa TARIQ ALI: Chabwino, zikanakhala kwambiri - zikanakhala woweruza wopusa kwambiri wa ku Britain, ndi wosakhulupirika - ndikunena kuti, wosakhulupirika - kuvomereza mkangano umenewo. Kwenikweni, zomwe zikukambidwa ndi kubwezeredwa kwa Julian ku United States, komwe kulibe chifukwa chilichonse. Zomwe maloya aku US akunena kukhothi, mukudziwa, zidzatha mwachangu ngati Julian atachotsedwa. Ndikutanthauza, aku Australia sangamuvomereze. Panthawi yomwe chigamulochi chikapangidwa, ngakhale chikapangidwa, zomwe sindimakhulupirira, Julian akhoza kukhala atafa m'ndende ya US. Thanzi lake silili bwino, monga aliyense amene wamuwona wachitira umboni. Kotero, ine sindimakhulupirira mawu a izi. Ndipo mulimonse, ndizosavomerezeka. Iye sayenera kuchotsedwa kulikonse. Ayenera kumasulidwa mwamsanga.
Ndipo ngati Biden kwenikweni - mukudziwa, wachoka ku Afghanistan, zomwe tikambirana mumphindi imodzi, koma kusiya milandu iyi motsutsana ndi Assange, White House ikuchitira zabwino kwambiri ufulu wa atolankhani komanso ufulu wa atolankhani kufalitsa zomwe akufuna. Ndipo izi zimakhudza ngakhale mapulogalamu ngati Demokarase Tsopano! Ngati wina alowa m'maofesi anu ndi fayilo yowonetsa zaumbanda wowopsa womwe ukuchitikira ku Somalia kapena Yemen kapena kulikonse, ndikukhulupirira kuti munganene nawo poyera. Nonse mutha kumangidwa ndikuimbidwa mlandu, ngati Julian apita pamlanduwu.
NERMEEN SHAIKH: Chabwino, Tariq, tiyeni tipite ku tanthauzo, tsatanetsatane wa zomwe WikiLeaks adawulula za Nkhondo ku Afghanistan. Tikubwerera ku 2010, a Julian akuyankhula ndi Channel 4 za zolemba za nkhondo za Afghanistan.
Julian ASSANGE: Ndilo mbiri yomveka bwino ya nkhondo yomwe sinayambe yasindikizidwa pa nthawi ya nkhondo.
STEFANO ZOKHALA: Ndipo zimenezi ndi zofunika bwanji?
Julian ASSANGE: Zikuwoneka kuti palibe kuwululidwa kofanana komwe kumachitika panthawi yankhondo, panthawi yomwe kungakhale ndi zotsatirapo zina. Chofanana chapafupi mwina ndi Pentagon Papers yotulutsidwa ndi Daniel Ellsberg mu '70s. Amenewo anali pafupifupi masamba 10,000, amene anali kale pafupi zaka zinayi pamene ilo linatulutsidwa.
STEFANO ZOKHALA: Ndipo ndi masamba angati mu lipoti lanu?
Julian ASSANGE: Pali masamba pafupifupi 200,000 m'nkhaniyi. Pentagon Papers anali pafupifupi masamba 10,000.
NERMEEN SHAIKH: Kotero, ndi Julian akuyankhula mu 2010 ku Channel 4. Tsopano, Afghan War Logs anapereka chithunzi chowononga cha Nkhondo ku Afghanistan, kuwulula momwe magulu ankhondo amapha mazana a anthu wamba muzochitika zomwe sizinafotokozedwe panthawiyo, momwe chinsinsi chakuda ops Special Forces. gululi likusaka zomwe akufuna kupha kapena kutsekeredwa popanda kuzengedwa mlandu, komanso momwe kuwukira kwa Taliban kudachulukira komanso Pakistan ikuyambitsa zigawenga. Tariq, lankhulani za kufunikira kwa mavumbulutso awa panthawiyo mu 2010.
Mtengo wa TARIQ ALI: Chabwino, zomwe adawonetsa, Nermeen, ndikuti nkhondo ikupita moyipa kuyambira 2010, koyambirira - ndikutanthauza, zaka 10 kapena zaka zisanu ndi zinayi kunkhondo. Koma iwo sanapambane nkomwe pankhondoyo, zimene zinali kuperekedwa kwa anthu kunyumba. Ndikutanthauza, zabodza za boma, za maboma onse aku US omwe akutenga nawo gawo pankhondoyi, zakhala - Nkhondo ya Iraq itatha kukhala tsoka lalikulu, tidauzidwa kuti, CHABWINO, Nkhondo yaku Iraq idapita koyipa, ndi zina zotero. ., etc., anali Bush, izi, izo ndi zina, koma nkhondo ya Afghanistan ndi nkhondo yabwino. Anatero Obama. Ndili ndi udindo wa Obama makamaka chifukwa cha kuchuluka kwa Nkhondo ku Afghanistan komanso kuphana komwe kwachitika. Bush adachita Iraq. Obama adakula kwambiri ku Afghanistan. Ndipo Biden analibe mwayi woti achoke.
Koma mfundo yomwe ikukambidwa ndi zolemba zankhondo zomwe zidavumbulutsa kuti palibe njira yomwe United States ingapambane nkhondoyi, chifukwa mukamachitira anthu otanganidwa momwe adachitira - panali zambiri zazing'ono zomwe zidanenedwa. Ndikukumbukira panthawiyo, ndipo kale, mu nyuzipepala ya Pakistani, ukwati unaphulitsidwa, alendo onse aukwati ndi ana ambiri anaphedwa; kuphedwa kwakukulu kwa anthu wamba m'madera ena a dziko. Ndipo anapitiriza kuchita zimenezi, akumaganiza kuti iyi ndiyo njira yokhazikitsira dziko, osaphunzirapo kanthu pa zimene zinachitika ku Vietnam ndi madera ena a dziko kumene anavutika kwambiri.
Ndipo akuluakulu ang'onoang'ono mu kayendetsedwe ka US, ku Defense Intelligence Agency, ku Pentagon, sankakayikira kuti nkhondoyo ikupita moipa. Mukazindikira kuti, ndiye kuti muyenera kupanga chisankho pamene mutuluka, chifukwa palibe chisankho china chomwe chingatheke. Ndipo monga tikudziwira kuchokera ku Washington Papers pambuyo pake, makamaka, adadziwa kuti sangapambane nkhondoyi, ndipo panali kubisala kwakukulu.
Ndikutanthauza, ndikukumbukira - timayiwala zinthu izi, koma panali mkangano wapagulu pakati pa akuluakulu a boma kuti atumize asilikali ambiri kapena ayi ku Afghanistan, ndi mkulu yemwe ali ku ambassy ku Afghanistan, ndikuganiza McChrystal, kuti, " Sitikufuna asilikali ambiri,โ chifukwa ankadziwa kuti si njira yothetsera vutoli. Koma Obama anaumirira kuti atumize asilikali ambiri.
Chifukwa chake, Nkhondo yonse yaku Afghanistan, yomwe idabisidwa, idawululidwa mu 2010 ndi WikiLeaks, ndipo pambuyo pake ndi Washington Papers. Sizinali chinsinsi pa zomwe zinkachitika. Ndipo kuyesa ndikubisa, kudzudzula WikiLeaks chifukwa chonena zoona, sikudula ayezi ndi anthu tsopano, omwe akudziwa. Ndizodziwikiratu kuti nkhondo yakhala yowopsa.
AMY GOODMAN: Tariq, ngati mungafanizire - chabwino, choyamba, mantha omwe dziko lapansi lidamva pamene atolankhani adawulula kumenyedwa komaliza ku Afghanistan, zomwe tikudziwa, asanatuluke komaliza ku US, banja ili, anthu osachepera asanu ndi awiri aphedwa. , pakati pawo panali ana angapo, ndipo linapezeka kuti linali banja la mwamuna amene anali NGO wogwira ntchitoyo ndipo adagwirapo ntchito ndi United States. Zowopsa ndi chifukwa tawona sitiraka. Tinaona kugunda kwa ndege za ndege, ndipo tinadziwa mayina a mabanja. Chulukitsani izi mazana ndi mazana kumadera onse akutali ndi mizinda ina ya Afghanistan, ndiyeno anthu amapeza chithunzi cha zomwe zidachitika pazaka 20 izi. Ngati mungalankhule za izi, ndipo, potsiriza, momwe othawa kwawo aku Afghanistan akuchitiridwa nkhanza tsopano ku United States ndi ku Ulaya, ndikuyerekeza ndi, chabwino, kumene mudayamba kupereka ndemanga, kumbuyo mu '60s, ndi othawa kwawo aku Vietnamese pambuyo pa US nkhondo kumeneko?
Mtengo wa TARIQ ALI: Chabwino, Amy, zomwe tidawona sabata itatha United States italengeza kuti yachoka ku Afghanistan inali nkhani yachikale yogwiritsa ntchito zabodza, zidziwitso zoyipa, ndikuchotsa anthu wamba. Mfundo yonse yokhudza kumenyedwa kwa ma drone awa, omwe opanga awo amadzitamandira kuti ndi chida champhamvu kwambiri komanso cholunjika chomwe chidapangidwapo m'mbiri yankhondo, ndizachabechabe. Osati kokha achibale awa omwe adaphedwa pambuyo pa chilengezo chochotsa, koma, monga mukunenera molondola, chifukwa nthawi yonse ya nkhondoyi, ma drones akhala akuwononga Afghanistan ndi Pakistan, tsidya lina la malire, komwe kuli kofananako. kuukira kwawononga mabanja a Pashtun. Chifukwa chake, mukudziwa, anthu akamapeputsa kapena kuyesa kuti, "O, nkhondo ya Afghanistan sinali yoyipa kwambiri. Mabungwe ochepa omwe siaboma adakweza chikhalidwe cha amayi,โ ndizachabechabe, kwenikweni.
Ndipo izi ndi zomwe zikufotokozera zomwe anthu ambiri sangazindikire kapena kuzimvetsa: zidakhala bwanji kuti ntchito yazaka 20 iyi idabwezedwa m'masiku asanu ndi awiri ndi zigawenga za Taliban ndi zigawenga? Kodi akanatha bwanji? Ndipo chifukwa chomwe iwo akanakhoza kuchitira icho chinali iwo anali ndi chithandizo chapagulu. Ndipo chifukwa chomwe adathandizidwa ndi anthu ndikuti anali mphamvu yokhayo mdziko muno yomwe idakana kulandidwa. Ndizo zonse. Palibe amene, mukudziwa, adadandaula ndi zinthu zina. Iwo anangoti, โChotsani ntchito imeneyi kwa ife.โ Ndicho chifukwa chake gulu la zidole lamphamvu 300,000, lopangidwa ndi United States pang'onopang'ono pazaka 20, linagwa mkati mwa sabata. Ngakhale asilikali amenewa anakana kumenyana nawo. Izi sizinachitikepo motere m'mbiri ya ufumu wa US. Ku Vietnam, adapanga boma la zidole ndi gulu la zidole, lomwe linali, poyerekeza ndi tsokali, lothandiza kwambiri. Ndikutanthauza, anali akupha ndi zigawenga, koma anali ogwira mtima. Pankhani ya Afghanistan, sakanatha kupanga kapena kumanga chilichonse.
Ndipo chachikulu, chifukwa chachikulu cha izi, ndithudi, kuukira kwa drone, kuphana, kuzunzidwa mopanda tsankho komwe kunachitika kundende ya Bagram, ndi kugwiriridwa. Palibe amene amalankhula za kugwiriridwa. Anthu amachita manyazi. Nthawi zonse ndikafunsa ndipo ena amafunsa kuti, "Kodi ziwerengero zogwiriridwa ntchito zaka 20 ndi ziti?" pali manjenje. Palibe amene angafotokoze kuchuluka kwa mahule omwe anamangidwa ndikupangidwa, nyumba zogonana kuti azitumikira zosowa za NATO ankhondo. Palibe amene atiuze za izi, chifukwa ndizoletsedwa ndipo akuwona kuti zitha kukhala nkhani zophulika ku Afghanistan. Koma chimene sachimvetsa nโchakuti anthu amadziwa. Anthu a ku Afghanistan akudziwa zomwe zikuchitika, chifukwa amakhala kumeneko. Ndi dziko lawo.
Tsopano, nkhondo ikatha ndipo US ilibe chochita koma kuchoka, mwachiwonekere, anthu ambiri - tinene masauzande masauzande - omwe adagwirizana nawo akuwopa kuti alangidwa. Anachita mantha ku South Vietnam pambuyo pa kupambana kwakukulu kwa Vietnamese mu April 1975. Pankhani ya Vietnam, US inalola othawa kwawo ambiri kuposa momwe akuloleza ku Afghanistan lero. Ndipo chotani - chodabwitsa chawayilesi wathu wamkulu: "Tawonani anthu osauka awa omwe atsekeredwa kumalire!" Si vuto la Afghans kapena boma la Taliban ngakhale kuti atsekeredwa. Chifukwa chimene atsekerezedwa ndi chifukwa chakuti simunakonze zoti muwatulutse. Ndipo mpaka lero, sakulola anthu othawa kwawo ku Afghanistan. Iyi ndi nkhani yowopsa ya ku Europe ndi United States. โO, palibenso othawa kwawo, chonde. Tapeza zokwanira.โ Koma mumapeza othawa kwawowa chifukwa cha nkhondo zomwe mumamenya kapena nkhondo zomwe mumalowerera, nkhondo zapachiweniweni zomwe mumalowerera. Izi ndizomwe zimapangitsa othawa kwawo. Ndiyeno simuwalola kuti alowe.
AMY GOODMAN: Tiyenera kuzisiya pamenepo, Tariq Ali, wolemba mbiri, wotsutsa, wopanga mafilimu, wolemba, mkonzi wa Kukambitsirana Kwatsopano Kumanzere. Iye ndi co-editor wa Kuteteza Julian Assange ndipo akutulutsa buku latsopano lamutu Nkhondo Yazaka 40 ku Afghanistan: Mbiri Yanenedweratu.
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