UJanine Jackson: Ucwaningo olusha mayelana nesimo sengqondo ngokushintsha kwesimo sezulu kusikisela ukuthi abantu bakholelwa ukuthi banelungelo lokuthola amaqiniso abo siqu ngale ndaba, njengoba ubufakazi besayensi bukhomba indlela eyodwa, indlela eyodwa kuphela, futhi zonke izinsuku ngokuphuthuma kakhulu. Imithombo yezindaba yebhizinisi inomthwalo wemfanelo othize: iminyaka yokuqhathanisa lonke ucezu lobufakazi nesitatimende sokungabaza noma sokuphika, iminyaka yokubeka ukuvumelana kwesayensi eceleni kwemibono yendabuko yosopolitiki sengathi idinga ukunakwa okufanayo.
Ngisho nanamuhla, abezindaba basho amazwi mayelana nokuphazamiseka kwesimo sezulu okubangelwa abantu kuyinkinga ebaluleke kakhulu edinga ukunakwa ngokushesha—kodwa ngandlela thize ayifanele nombuzo owodwa, kuze kube manje, ezingxoxweni zikamongameli noma zephini likamongameli.
Ngakho-ke ingabe abezindaba bakubheka ngokungathi sína ukuphazamiseka kwesimo sezulu—okungabalulekile kangako? Manje sesijoyinwe ngu-Dahr Jamail, intatheli yezisebenzi kwa- Ngaphandle kanye nombhali, phakathi kwezinye izihloko, Ukuphela kwe-Ice, okuzovela Iphephandaba Elisha. Usijoyina ngocingo evela esifundazweni sase-Washington. Siyakwamukela futhi ku I-CounterSpin, Dahr Jamail.
I-Dahr Jamail: Kuhle ukuba nawe.
JJ: Ake ngikubuze, okokuqala, mayelana nolimi. Ngiqaphele ukuthi usebenzisa igama elithi ACD, noma “ukuphazamiseka kwesimo sezulu se-anthropogenic.” Ngithatha ngokuthi uthola ukuthi incazelo eyanelisa ngaphezu nje “kokushintsha kwesimo sezulu,” noma ngokuqinisekile “ukufudumala kwembulunga yonke.”
U-DJ: Inembile ngokwesayensi futhi ayishiyi indawo yamaphutha, okubheka isimo sezulu thina esibika ngokuphazamiseka kwesimo sezulu esikuso kuleli zwe njengamanje, ngokuphika okuqhubekayo, okumangazayo kimi, ngikusebenzisa ukucacisa futhi olunembile ngangokunokwenzeka. Lapho abaphikayo bethi isimo sezulu sishintsha njalo, baqinisile. Ngale ndlela, kuba ukuphazamiseka ngokwethulwa kwenani elikhulu lamagesi abamba ukushisa emkhathini, futhi kubangelwa abantu, yingakho i-anthropogenic. Ngakho-ke ngale ndlela akushiyi indawo yephutha, akukho gumbi lokunyakaziswa kwabaphikayo.
JJ: Futhi lolo limi lungasiza, njengoba usho, lusize ngempela ekulolongeni ingxoxo. Ngiyakwazisa lokho. Hhayi-ke, uma uzama ukuqonda indlela yase-United States yango-2016 yokuphazamiseka kwesimo sezulu se-anthropogenic kusuka ekusakazweni kwabezindaba, ngicabanga ukuthi ungadideka kakhulu. Uzothola a indaba ngo-Okthoba 4 New York Times ukujezisa abezindaba ngokuhlanya “kancane” ngoba nje sidlule lokho iphepha elikubiza ngokuthi “ingqopha-mlando engajabulisi” lapho amazinga e-CO2, avame ukwehla ngoSepthemba, esikhundleni salokho ahlala ngaphezu kwezingxenye ezingama-400 ngesigidi. Ngeke, nokho, uthole izindaba eziningi ziyahlanya ngalelo qiniso, okungenzeka ukuthi kungani Times' kuphela isibonelo is I-Vice Motherboard.
Uzothola izindaba zithi kubaluleke kangakanani ukuthi iSivumelwano saseParis siqiniswe ngaso leso sikhathi, kodwa bese kuba khona nto mayelana nokuthi iqembu lezigele lifuna ukumemezela ukushiswa kwamahlathi “okungathathi hlangothi kwekhabhoni” ngoba, phela, izihlahla ziyakhula, futhi lokho kuwuhlobo lwe-back-pager, uyazi. Manje, mhlawumbe lokho kudideka kukhombisa inqubomgomo edidekile, kodwa isithombe esikhulu, kukude kangakanani lokho okubizwa ngokuthi ukusakazwa kwemidiya okujwayelekile lapho kufanele kube khona?
U-DJ: Impendulo emfushane kulokho kungaba-futhi leyo yinto abantu abangabhala ngayo izincwadi ezimbalwa-kodwa yisimo lapho, bheka ukumbozwa oke wachayeka kukho, futhi wonke umuntu phezulu kwekhanda lakhe unomqondo wokuthi lokho kuyini, futhi usanda kukhuluma ngezinye ezimbalwa ngempela, izibonelo ezinhle ngempela zalokho. Ake sibambe lokho kuze kufike ku Iqiniso ukuthi kune-CO2 eningi emkhathini manje njengoba yayikhona ngesikhathi se-Miocene, eminyakeni eyizigidi ezingu-15 edlule, ngaleso sikhathi izilwandle zaziphakeme ngamamitha angu-80.
Ngakho-ke enye indlela yokubeka ukuthi, sinemibiko yakamuva engisanda kubhala ngayo, ukuthi thina eshicilelwe NgoMsombuluko, lokho kuphume, elinye lawo likhombisa ukuthi ibhande lokuthutha ulwandle empeleni liyancipha, okuwumsinga omkhulu ongaphansi kwamanzi odlulisa amandla emhlabeni wonke, futhi awukwazanga ukudlala indima ebaluleke kakhulu kuso sonke isimiso sesimo sezulu. yeplanethi. Futhi ucwaningo lukhathazekile, ngoba bakhathazekile nganoma yiluphi ushintsho lwalokhu "lungaphazamisa ukujikeleza kolwandle emhlabeni."
Futhi-ke omunye umbiko wakamuva ophumayo ukhuluma ngokuthi amazinga okushisa ezilwandle Zomhlaba ayinselelo enkulu kangakanani esizukulwaneni sethu, futhi ayaphuma eshadini futhi ayaqhubeka nokufudumala, noma njengoba siya ekwindla.
Ngakho-ke nje phezulu kwekhanda lami, ezimbalwa zalezi zinto ezethusa kakhulu. Ngisho ukuthi, zonke izimpawu eziyisixwayiso zikhona, zinomsindo futhi zicacile, futhi zilokhu ziba namandla kakhulu ngenyanga, kodwa nokho ukusabalala okujwayelekile kokuphazamiseka kwesimo sezulu akuqhubeki nokuhamba phambili.
JJ: Ukungafaki iphuzu elihle kakhulu kukho, uma sifuna ukugcina izinga lokushisa loMhlaba likhuphuke ngaphezu kwalesi 2 degree Celsius, esiqonda ukuthi umkhawulo ongaphezulu okhonjiwe, ngeke sisakwazi ukumba noma ukumba okusha. ukubhoboza. Ingabe lokho kulungile? Njengoziro.
U-DJ: Akugcini lapho. Lokho kulungile impela. Hhayi lokho kuphela, kodwa kudingeka kube nezindlela zokuqala ukukhipha ikhabhoni emkhathini. Ngoba lokho osekuvele kusemkhathini, ngokusho kwenhloko yohlelo lwezemvelo lwe-UN, owasho lokhu cishe inyanga ngaphambi kwezingxoxo zaseParis ngoDisemba odlule - wathi uma simisa konke ukukhishwa kwe-CO2 nge-dime kulo mzuzu, sekuvele kwanele. I-CO2 emkhathini esizofika ku-3.5C ngonyaka ka-2100. Ngakho-ke sidinga ukuma kancane, ukubhola nokuthola izinkambu ezintsha nokuzixhaphaza, njll., kufanele kungacatshangwa. sidinga ukuthi sithole izindlela eziningi zokuthatha izintambo, zokukhipha ikhabhoni eningi emkhathini, okusho ukuthi amahlathi amaningi, umsebenzi omningi enhlabathini, njll., kodwa okubangela ukuthambekela okungekuhle, esikhundleni sokuvele nje kuphuke kuleli phuzu.
JJ: Niyabo, angizizwa nje sengathi lokho kuthathwa njengokubalulekile, kuthathwa njengokusho lokho elikushoyo. Ngicabanga ukuthi kwabaningi kwabezindaba, "yigcine emhlabathini" iwuhlobo lwesiqubulo, futhi akuyona into yangempela inqubomgomo okufanele iqale kuyo, isikwele sokuqala sayo.
U-DJ: Kunjalo impela. Futhi, ngeshwa, ngicabanga ukuthi kuzothatha ukuqhubeka kwenhlekelele, okuqinisekisiwe ukuthi sibe nayo, kuze kube yilapho ohulumeni abaningi bomhlaba beqala ukuthatha isinyathelo. Futhi yingakho sibona lezi zinhlamvu zikhona kubhaliwe futhi yasayinwa ngamakhulu ososayensi besimo sezulu abahlonishwa kakhulu emhlabeni, benxusa ohulumeni ukuthi bathathe isinyathelo, ukuthi, bheka, sesingaphezu kwephuzu lokungabuyi, sidinga ukuqala ukuthatha izinguquko ezinkulu, ezinkulu. Futhi kukhona ukukhungatheka kuwo wonke umphakathi wesayensi, abantu abakhiqiza le mibiko eqhubekayo mayelana nezici ezahlukahlukene zokuphazamiseka kwesimo sezulu, ngoba imibiko iyaphuma, amaqiniso akhona, sinalo lonke ulwazi okufanele silwazi, nokho ohulumeni basasilela. abasemuva kakhulu ekuqhubekiseni phambili izinqubomgomo ezimangalisayo okufanele sizibone zisebenza.
JJ: Yebo, ngicabanga ukuthi ososayensi mhlawumbe bashaqekile ukuthi bangasho, yilokhu okudingeka kwenzeke, futhi osopolitiki basazothi, yebo, sinomuzwa wokuthi singaxoxisana ngomphumela ohlukile. Kucishe kube sengathi bayimiqondo engahlangani. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi kulapho izintatheli zingangena khona ekwephuleni umthetho, futhi zikhulume ngegebe phakathi kwendlela osopolitiki abakhuluma ngayo, ngokwemvelo yabo nje, nalokho okufanele kwenzeke ngempela.
U-DJ: Ngicabanga ukuthi izintatheli njengamanje, uma kubhekwa isimo, zisesimweni lapho siphoqelekile ukuthi singenelele senze lokho. Ngoba ososayensi abakwazi; banomthwalo wemfanelo wokukhiqiza idatha nemibiko. Umsebenzi wabo akusikhona ukuthi baphume babakhangise. Lowo ngumsebenzi wethu, wukuqwashisa le mibiko, bese sibeka imiphumela ngolimi olujwayelekile ukuze abafundi baqonde ukuthi isho ukuthini, futhi lokho akwenziwa ngokwanele. Impela kunendawo eningi lapho abantu bengenza okuningi kwalokho, futhi yilokho engizama ukukwenza nyanga zonke ekuthumeleni kwami, kuhlanganiswa yonke le mibiko yakamuva, ezinsukwini ezingama-30 ezedlule, ukuze abantu babone, wow. , uma ubheka lokhu ngokuphelele futhi ubheka yonke iwebhu, sisemanzini ashisayo futhi sidinga ngempela ukubamba izinyawo zezombangazwe kanye nabakhi benqubomgomo emlilweni wesaga.
JJ: Besilokhu sikhuluma no-Dahr Jamail. Ungathola umsebenzi wakhe, kuhlanganise zakamuva, “Ososayensi Bazwakala I-alamu Ngesimo Sezulu kodwa I-US Isengamathoyizi Anokungabaza,” kuvuliwe Truthout.org. Dahr Jamail, siyabonga kakhulu ngokuhlanganyela nathi kuleli sonto I-CounterSpin.
U-DJ: Kubonga mina. Ngiyabonga.
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