Umthombo: Intando yeningi Manje!
Iziphathimandla eNdiya zithi amadolobha amakhulu ayisithupha yizindawo ezishisayo ze-coronavirus, okuhlanganisa nenhloko-dolobha, iNew Delhi. Siya lapho ukuyokhuluma nomlobi nesishoshovu u-Arundhati Roy, onendatshana entsha yokuthi โUbhubhane Luyingosi.โ Uthi, "Unomuzwa wokuthi uhlezi phezu kohlobo oluthile lweziqhumane," futhi uchaza ukuthi uhulumeni waseNarendra Modi usebenzisa kanjani lolu bhubhane ukuze ahlasele abaphikisi nabaphikisayo.
AMY U-GOODMAN: Lokhu Intando yeningi Manje!, democracynow.org, Umbiko Wokuhlukaniswa. Ngingu-Amy Goodman, kanye no-Nermeen Shaikh. Manje sesiphendukela eNdiya, lapho izikhulu zithi amadolobha amakhulu ayisithupha yizindawo ezishisayo zokutheleleka nge-coronavirus, zizibiza ngezindawo ezibomvu, okuhlanganisa nenhloko-dolobha, iNew Delhi, kanye nesikhungo sezezimali, iMumbai. Izwe linabantu abashonile abangaphezu kuka-420, izifo eziyi-12,000, yize isibalo siphezulu kakhulu ngenxa yokuntuleka kokuhlolwa.
Lokhu kuza njengoba amaqembu enkululeko yabezindaba kanye nenkululeko yomphakathi ekhala ngokuthi uhulumeni waseNarendra Modi usebenzisa ukuqubuka kwe-coronavirus ukuhlukumeza abaphikisi nabaphikisayo. Kule nyanga, amaphoyisa abophe intatheli edumile, uSiddharth Varadarajan, emsola ngokusabalalisa "ukungezwani" kanye "namahemuhemu," ngemuva kokuthi kubikwa ukuthi ugxeke usopolitiki ongumHindu ngokubamba iqhaza emcimbini wenkolo nenqwaba yabantu ngesikhathi sokuvalwa kwezwe. Kwenye indawo, isishoshovu u-Anand Teltumbde, oneminyaka engu-69 ubudala, kanye nentatheli uGautam Navlakha, oneminyaka engu-67, baboshwe ngoLwesibili ngamacala abawasho bobabili ukuthi angamaqhinga. U-Teltumbde wabhala incwadi evulelekile eya kubantu baseNdiya ngosuku olwandulela ukuboshwa kwakhe, ethi, wacaphuna, โAngazi ukuthi ngizokwazi nini ukukhuluma nani futhi. Nokho nginethemba elikhulu lokuthi uzokhuluma ngaphambi kokuthi kufike ithuba lakho,โ kusho yena.
UNdunankulu uModi umemezele ukuvalwa kwe-coronavirus yaseNdiya ezweni lonke, okuthinta abantu abayizigidi eziyizinkulungwane eziyi-1.3 - enkulu kunazo zonke noma nini emhlabeni - umemezele ukuthi kuzonwetshwa kuze kube uMeyi. EMumbai, amakhulu abasebenzi abafudukayo abashiye bengenamakhaya futhi bengasebenzi ngenxa yokuvalwa kwendawo babambe umbhikisho ngoLwesibili befuna uhulumeni alethe ukudla nosizo.
SHAHBAZ: [kuhunyushwe] Asitholi lutho lapha. Uhulumeni uthembise ukuhlinzeka ngemali nezinye izinsiza, futhi akukho okulethiwe okwamanje.
SHABANA: [kuhunyushwe] Akukho esingakwenza manje. Sinezingane ezincane, futhi azikutholi ukudla. Kufanele senzeni?
AMY U-GOODMAN: Ukuze uthole okwengeziwe, siya eNew Delhi, e-India, lapho sihlanganiswe khona nombhali owine imiklomelo, umbhali, isishoshovu u-Arundhati Roy. Usenentsha Indaba ku Izikhathi Zezezimali enesihloko esithi โUbhubhane luyingosi.โ Ithathwe encwadini yakhe ezayo, Azadi: Nkululeko. UbuFascist. Inganekwane. Incwadi yakhe yakamuva ithi Inhliziyo Yami Ehlubukayo: Iqoqo Elingelona iqiniso. Uthole umklomelo weBooker ngo-1997 ngenoveli yakhe yokuqala, UNkulunkulu Wezinto Ezincane.
Arundhati, wamukelekile futhi Intando yeningi Manje! Njengoba ukhuluma nathi uvela eNew Delhi, uma ungakhuluma ngokwenzekayo lapho nokuthi kungani ubona ubhubhane njengengosi?
I-ARUNDHATI INDLELA: Yebo, eNdiya, uyazi, sine Covid inkinga esingayazi imiphetho yayo. Ngisho ukuthi, usho izibalo kanye neqiniso lokuthi asazi ukuthi zithembekile yini, ngoba akukho ukuhlola okungako okwenzekayo. Kepha ngakolunye uhlangothi, uma uqalaza nje, uyazi ukuthi akukho ukugijima ezibhedlela njengoba bekukhona eNew York, niyazi? Lesi sifo akubonakali ukuthi asikafiki ngempela kithina. Kodwa sinawo Covid isimo esibucayi. Sinenkinga yendlala. Sinenkinga yenzondo. Futhi sinenkinga yezempilo ngaphandle kwayo Covid.
Ngakho-ke, njengoba ushilo, uyazi, ngomhla zingama-24 kuNdasa, ngesaziso samahora amane, esasiqala phakathi kuka-8:00 ebusuku no-12 phakathi kwamabili, uModi wavala lesi sizwe esinabantu abayizigidi eziyizinkulungwane eziyi-1.38 ngaphandle kwesixwayiso. Futhi inkinga edaliwe, ukuntuleka kokuhlela, ukuntuleka kokucabanga phambili, yize njengezinye izifundazwe ezifana neKerala, okhulume ngayo, zenze umsebenzi omuhle kakhulu, kepha kusukela phakathi nendawo, le nkinga iye yanda yaba yinto engase โ ingase ibe yingozi kakhulu kunobhadane eluhlelayo. Unesimo lapho unezigidi zabasebenzi kanye nezisebenzi ezifudukayo ngaphansi kwe-Lockdown, okufanele iphoqelele ukusatshalaliswa komphakathi, kepha iphoqelela ukucindezelwa ngokomzimba. Abantu baminyene ndawonye. Abantu bahlukene nemindeni yabo. Ezindaweni eziningi, abanakho ukudla. Abanakho ukufinyelela emalini ngisho. Bathengise amafoni abo. Unomuzwa wokuthi uhlezi ohlotsheni oluthile lwento eqhumayo.
Kodwa-ke, ngasikhathi sinye, njengoba usho, sekuboshwe abantu, hhayi nje abantu obashilo. USiddharth Varadarajan akakaboshwa, umhleli we-Wire, kodwa unecala elifakwe kuye. Abameli abakhulu abakhuluma kabi ngoModi bafakwe i-FIRs ngokumelene nabo. UGautam Navlakha no-Anand Teltumbde baboshiwe. Abafundi abasebasha kanye nabantu, inqwaba yamaSulumane, manje abasolwa ngokuba yingxenye yesibhicongo esenzeke kumaSulumane enyakatho-mpumalanga yeDelhi, bayaboshwa. Uyazi, imibuthano iyavaleka.
Futhi isizathu ngithe lo bhubhane uyingosi ukuthi emhlabeni wonke unesimo manje lapho, ngakolunye uhlangothi, amandla azozama futhi akhulise ukubhekwa, andise ukungalingani, andise ukwenziwa kwangasese, andise ukulawula, futhi, ngakolunye uhlangothi, unabantu abaningi abazofuna ukukhulisa ubumbano futhi abazofuna ukubona nokuqonda iqiniso lokuthi okwenzekile e-US, kanye nokwenzekile eNdiya, ukuthi ubhubhane kwadalula izinkinga zesakhiwo sokungabi nabulungisa okukhulu nokungalingani. Ngisho nokubizwa kokuvalwa kwezikhala ngesaziso samahora amane bekuwuphawu lokwethuka kulo ndunankulu, ngoba uyazi ukuthi le ngqalasizinda yaleli lizwe, ayikwazi nokubhekana nokujwayelekile, ikhohlwe wubhubhane.
I-NERMEEN SHAIKH: Arundhati, ngifuna ukukubuza okwengeziwe ngalokho, mayelana nesimemezelo sikaModi sokuvalwa komsebenzi ngesaziso samahora amane nje. Umemezele ngo-8 ebusuku, futhi waqala ukusebenza phakathi kwamabili ngoMashi 24. Kodwa icala lokuqala, icala elibikiwe, le Covid-19 yayingoJanuwari 30, ngakho wayenayo - akucaci ukuthi kungani ethathe amasonto ayisikhombisa ukuvala izwe. Kepha uhambile, lapho owokuqala - lapho izwe lingena e-Lockdown, wasebenzisa i-press pass, wahamba wayokhuluma nabanye babafuduki, amakhulu ezinkulungwane zabantu abaphoqeleke ukuba babaleke eDelhi lapho zonke izinto zokuhamba sezivele sezikhona. vala shaqa. Ukhulume nabanye balaba bafuduki eDelhi. Ungasitshela ukuthi bathini ngesimo sabo?
I-ARUNDHATI INDLELA: Nokho, kuthe kusanda kumenyezelwa ukuvalwa kwendawo, kwamiswa ukuthuthwa kwabantu abaningi. Bekuyisonto lokugcina likaMashi. Abantu babengakhokhelwanga imiholo yabo, abantu abaphila cishe usuku nosuku. Abanikazi bezindlu kulezi zindlu ezincane eziminyene, zangenkathi ephakathi, okuphithizelwa kuzo abantu abahlanu nabayishumi, bathi bafuna ukuqasha kwabo ngesikhathi. Ngakho abantu kwadingeka bahambe. Futhi kwakuwumbono we-surreal, uyazi, ngenkathi kwakungekho traffic emigwaqweni, kodwa kungazelelwe ukungalingani kwesakhiwo kanye nokwesabeka, ihlazo lokuthi imiphakathi yethu iphila kanjani, yazibonakalisa.
Futhi ngavele ngabona ukuthi laba bantu sebeqalile ukuhamba, behamba amakhulu amakhilomitha beya ezigodini zabo. Futhi ngaphuma ngoba ngangizwa sengathi amapuleti e-tectonic ayaguquguquka. Uyazi, bekuhlanya. Ngakho ngaya emngceleni ophakathi kweDelhi ne-Uttar Pradesh, lapho ngahamba khona nabaningi babo. Futhi ngakhuluma nabaningi babo, kuhlanganise namaSulumane ayesanda kusinda kulolu hlobo olusabekayo lwe-wannabe pogrom ngokumelene nabo, okungazange kube ngaleyo ndlela ngoba abantu babezilungiselele kangangokuthi baphinde balwa. Kodwa ngemva kokusinda kulokho, manje base behamba lawa makhulu amakhilomitha bebuyela ekhaya - uyazi, ababazi, abathungi bezimpahla, izisebenzi zokwakha.
Futhi bonke babelazi igciwane. Bonke babegqoke izifihla-buso. Bebenza konke okusemandleni abo ukuze bangahlali nabantu. Kwakungenakwenzeka. Kwaba namahemuhemu okuthi kungase kuhlelwe amabhasi, futhi kungazelelwe abantu abacishe babe ngu-100,000 XNUMX babehlangene, becindezelwe ndawonye, โโbelinde amabhasi. Futhi ngababuza abanye babo, โManje, ucabangani ngaleli gciwane?โ Bathe, โNoma yini esiyicabangayo ngegciwane, okwamanje asinakudla, asinamanzi, asinandawo yokulala. Kufanele sibuyele ekhaya.โ Futhi lokho kwaba khona kakhulu kakhulu kubo kunalokhu.
Iningi labo lalinomuzwa wokuthi lokhu kwakuyisifo sabantu abacebile esilethwe ngamabhanoyi. "Kungani bengavimbanga abantu esikhumulweni sezindiza esikhundleni sokusixosha emisebenzini nasemakhaya ethu, uyazi?" Futhi abantu abaningi nje โ omunye wabantu engibhale ngabo ku Izikhathi Zezezimali Ucezu wathi - uvele wathi kimi, โShaayad Modiji ko hamaare baare mein pata nahi [ifoni.],โ okusho ukuthi โMhlawumbe uModi akazi ngathi,โ niyazi, okungenzeka ukuthi bekuyiqiniso ngandlela thize, ukuthi uhulumeni kanye nawo wonke umuntu olawula noma yini kulo mphakathi uye wasusa abampofu emcabangweni wabo. - ngaphandle kwamafilimu, ngaphandle kwezincwadi, kukho konke. Uyazi? Ngaphandle NGO izincwajana lapho abampofu befaka khona ukuze bathole imali, uyazi?
AMY U-GOODMAN: Arundhati, bengifuna ukukubuza ngohambo olubucayi lukaMongameli uTrump oluya eNdiya ngaso leso sikhathi ubhubhane luqhuma, izithombe ezidumile zabo bexhawulana, inkundla yezemidlalo yabantu abayi-100,000. Lapho uMongameli -
I-ARUNDHATI INDLELA: Cha, abantu abayisigidi. ENdiya, kwakungabantu abayisigidi. E-U.S., kwakungama-50,000, yebo.
AMY U-GOODMAN: Ngakho-ke, njengoba uMongameli uTrump ethatha uhambo futhi endiza ebuyela e-United States, yilapho-ke afunda khona ukuphawula kukasosayensi wase-US ekhuluma ngemiphumela yalolu bhubhane nokuthi luzosho ukuthini e-United States. Kwamcasula kakhulu lokho ayekushilo kangangokuthi wahoxisa umhlangano wososayensi lapho ebuya, eziphindiselela. Bese unabo bonke lobu budlelwano neNdiya ezungeze i-hydroxychloroquine, lokho โuDkt. Trumpโ - futhi ngikusho lokho ngokusobala - UMongameli uTrump ubephusha, i-hydroxychloroquine, ngoba uNarendra Modi uthe uzokwehlisa ukuthengiswa, ukuthunyelwa kwalesi sidakamizwa kwamanye amazwe, kuze kube uMongameli uTrump emcindezela. Futhi manje ucwaningo olulodwa emva kolunye luphuma luthi abantu bayafa ezifundweni ezizungeze i-hydroxychloroquine.
I-ARUNDHATI INDLELA: Yebo.
AMY U-GOODMAN: Sekukonke, khuluma ngalokho uTrump akusho kuModi nokuthi iModi isho ukuthini kuTrump, lo mfelandawonye wase-US-India, nokuthi wenzani ezweni lakini.
I-ARUNDHATI INDLELA: Hhayi-ke, kunikeza inani elikhulu kangaka lokuba semthethweni esimweni engingakwazi ukusichaza, Amy, kumabonakude, ngoba kade ngibhala ngalokhu isikhathi eside, uyazi? Futhi engakusho ekuqaleni, inhlekelele yendlala, bese kuba inhlekelele yenzondo. Ngakho-ke, ngesikhathi uModi efika e-US futhi wenza umbukiso othi โHowdy Modiโ, kwathi lapho uTrump eza lapha futhi kwaba โuNamaste Trumpโ nokunye, lolu hlobo lomdanso oyinqaba phakathi kwalaba ababili, ngiyaxolisa. ukusho, kodwa hhayi abantu abahlakaniphe kakhulu, kodwa kakhulu, abantu abanamandla kakhulu, abenza ngokusemthethweni ukwesabeka okwenzeka e-U.S. nabantu abavela kwamanye amazwe, ngobandlululo, nabasebenzi abangabhalisiwe, kanye nokwethuka kwalokho BJP umbuso, i RSS, okuwumama we BJP inhlangano yamasiko uModi ayingxenye yayo, ekholelwa ukuthi i-India kufanele kube yisizwe samaHindu nokuthi wonke umuntu kufanele abe izakhamuzi ezisezingeni lesibili, lapho enze khona imithetho emisha yokuba yisakhamuzi futhi akha izikhungo zokuboshwa. Futhi konke lokhu kuqinisekiswa yilo mbono wokuthi izwe elinamandla kunawo wonke emhlabeni futhi indoda enamandla kakhulu emhlabeni ithanda uModi, uyazi?
Futhi phakathi kwabo, - ngiqonde ukuthi, kuyinhlekelele emhlabeni ukuthi lolu bhubhane lufike ngesikhathi lapho amazwe ngamazwe elawulwa ngabantu abanjengalaba, yingakho ngithe ingosi, ngoba, uyazi, sizoโ ingabe sizongena kulesi simo sokugada sama-fascist wonke umuntu asibekele sona? Ngisho, uhlelo lokusebenza, olubizwa ngokuthi uhlelo lokusebenza lwe-Aarogya Setu, uModi acele abantu ukuthi balilande futhi laba uhlelo lokusebenza olulandwa ngokushesha emhlabeni โ sinezigidi ezilandiwe eziyizigidi ezingu-50 manje โ ngiqonde ukuthi, wonke uchwepheshe wezobuchwepheshe uthi wuhlelo lokusebenza olugadayo nje, uyazi? Futhi yonke inhlobonhlobo - imiphakathi eminingi yentando yeningi iphokophele kulokhu, kulokhu kutatazela nokwesaba osekudaliwe.
Futhi kunezinto eziningi kakhulu nge-coronavirus, uyazi, izinto eziningi ezithinta inhliziyo. Bengifunda phakathi I-New York Times namuhla ukuthi kudala kanjani ubumbano phakathi kwabantu base-U.S. Ngisanda kubona ividiyo emangalisayo yabantu bebonga udokotela wasePakistani ngokusungula indlela evumela umshini wokungenisa umoya owodwa ukuthi kwabelwane ngawo abaningi.
Kepha lapha, unamaSulumane asolwa nge-corona. Kunomqondo wonke we "corona jihad." Futhi bengilokhu ngifunda ukuthi, ngeminyaka yawo-1930, umbuso wamaNazi wawusola kanjani amaJuda ngesifo sofuba futhi wasisebenzisa njengendlela yokucwasa nokucwasa amaJuda. Kwenzeka okufanayo lapha kumaMuslim. Uyazi, kufanele uzwe ulimi olusetshenziswa abezindaba abajwayelekile, nabantu abasemgwaqweni.
Ngakho-ke, kuyisimo esiyingozi kakhulu, esigunyazwa ngokuphelele nguTrump futhi yibo bonke laba bantu abanamandla abahlangana futhi baxhawulane futhi benqaba ukubona ukuthi leli gciwane lizongena kanjani futhi likhulise ukungalingani, libhebhethekise ukungabi nabulungisa futhi lidale isimo lapho , futhi, bayesaba, ngoba bayazazi lezi zigidi zabantu, abalambile, ababulawa indlala. Uzobhekana kanjani nalolo ntukuthelo? E-India, ngizokutshela ukuthi bazobhekana kanjani nakho. Bazozama ukuyiphambukisa olakeni olumelene namaSulumane, okuwukuphela kwento abayenza ngaso sonke isikhathi.
Kodwa ngesinye isikhathi โ uyazi, kakade izinto ziyaqhuma. Abantu bashisa izindawo zokukhosela nokunye. Nendlala iyaphuthuma kakhulu, kumele kubhekwane nayo manje. Izinqolobane zigcwele ukudla okungasatshalaliswa. Uyazi, abantu badinga ukudluliselwa kwemali, kodwa abanawo ama-akhawunti asebhange, noma abakwazi ukufinyelela kuma-akhawunti abo asebhange. Kuyinhlekelele ozwa sengathi uhlezi ohlotsheni oluthile lwento eqhumayo njengamanje. Futhi, uyazi, njengoba ijula, uma usuhambisa lokho okusanhlamvu, izovelaphi iqoqo elilandelayo lokudla? Ngoba njengamanje isikhathi sokuvuna, futhi, uyazi, abantuโ ngisho nalabo abakwazile ukuvuna abakwazi ukuthengisa. Futhi, niyazi, yonke indlela yokutshala yalelizwe isishintshile yaba izitshalo zemali.
AMY U-GOODMAN: Arundhati, sinemizuzwana eyi-10.
I-ARUNDHATI INDLELA: Yebo. Ngitshele.
AMY U-GOODMAN: Sine nje โ Ngifuna ukunibonga kakhulu ngokuba nathi, njengoba siphelelwa isikhathi.
I-ARUNDHATI INDLELA: O, KULUNGILE. Wamukelekile kakhulu.
AMY U-GOODMAN: Sizoxhumanisa neyakho Ucezu, โUbhubhane luyingosi,โ okuphakathi Inqubomgomo Yangaphandle. I-Arundhati Roy i โ ngoLwesine olulandelayo, Ephreli 23, izobe ijoyina ukufundisa okuku-inthanethi noprofesa wasePrinceton u-Imani Perry kanye ne-Haymarket Books ethi โThe Pandemic Is a Portal.โ Futhi sizoxhuma ezindabeni zakho, futhi, ku-democracynow.org.
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