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For history’s arc to continue forward activists must stop Israel, stop Trump, speak, write, cogitate, organize, and collectively end fascism and then struggle on until we implement new relations for a new world. But how should we think about what’s going on to understand it? How should we think about what’s going on to decide what to do about it? How should we think about our potentials to arrive at shared program and vision? How should we evaluate our actions to steadily improve them?

This is where theory, ideology or a bag of useful, shared, continually updated concepts comes in. We don’t want to start over from scratch every month, week, or day. We want substantial continuity. We want to hear each other. We want to understand each other. We need to be on the same page. We want to speak the same accessible language. We want to accumulate and retain shared useable insights. We want to come at the world with a lasting framework of concepts and a rich understanding of their interrelations that together speedily focus us on and explain what’s important in ways that help us determine what we want and how to attain it. 

There are a number of such frameworks we can choose among: liberalism, feminism, anarchism, intercommunalism, environmentalism, and more. One of them is very developed. It offers lots of concepts. It offers whole libraries of associated commentary. It offers historical implementations. It is a massive tradition. It is called Marxism—or often Marxism Leninism—and its advocates say that it can greatly inform us, guide us, shield us from errors, and provide us well-tested wisdom about what we should want and how we might best attain it.

An advocate of the massive Marxist tradition might say to us, here, take this book or even examine this lengthy reading list. The references will help you understand the world. The references will help you change the world. Imbibe the substance. Learn the lingo. Join the tradition. 

But should we follow the Marxist’s advice? Can Marxism usefully help us understand the world to change it? If we immerse ourselves in the Marxist tradition will it help or hinder our activism? Illuminate or darken our prospects?

In early June I offered a RevolutionZ episode and also published an article on ZNet that each considered whether we should immerse ourselves in the Marxist tradition to help us deal with today’s crises and possibilities. I said no, we shouldn’t. I said the tradition’s economism too often diminishes gender, race, and power attentiveness and subtlety. I said the tradition’s class analysis focuses too exclusively on property relations as the sole cause of class division. I ridiculed the labor theory of value and I dismissed dialectics. I said that while historical materialism has insights, on balance it does harm. I savaged the tradition’s oppressive economic vision and rejected the tradition’s inattentiveness to broader social vision. With all that heresy visibly on the table, I thought surely some of Marxism’s best informed advocates would forcefully reject my case but six weeks on, that hasn’t happened. 

For Marxism’s advocates to ignore my heresy would be appropriate if my criticisms were so ignorantly deluded that they did not require agreement or disagreement. If my criticisms were not even wrong of course Marxists should ignore them. If they were less than zero, dismissive silence would be sensible. If there was no there, there, by all means ignore the heresy. But so far I am unconvinced that has caused the silence. I doubt that in the article or the episode I so missed the point, I was so misled by some superficial confusion, or I was even just a foolish old man rambling nonsense—so to reply would have been superfluous.

Instead, I think my arguments were highly controversial but also, if valid, highly consequential. I think the presentation was reasoned, relatively calm and studiously non-sectarian. If my claims weren’t sensibly reasoned, then Marxists should be able to easily demonstrate their ignorance and/or illogic. But so far no one has openly rebutted any of it. Maybe it is just that six weeks isn’t enough time and a reaction is on the way. After all, Marxists—and particularly Leninists and Trotskyists since I quoted Lenin and Trotsky celebrating the flaws that I rejected—are typically quite quick to rebut what they consider unwarranted criticisms. So why not rebut my heretically contentious offerings? 

The need to have a shared conceptual toolbox that can wisely inform our collective efforts grows daily. I anticipate that advice from Marxism’s advocates to immerse ourselves in the Marxist tradition will grow in parallel. So I ask, will to follow that advice help or hinder our activism? It seems like a fair and pivotal question—doesn’t it?

To answer, we might first determine, is this topic even worth pursuing at all during such a chaotic, crisis-ridden, dangerous time as the present. Won’t to give this question attention divert us from more urgent tasks? If we get past that objection, we might next briefly review the criticisms offered earlier to try to make them a still better defined target for disagreement. Along the way for a little entertainment and to clarify we might also provide an anecdotal story. Finally, to conclude, we might directly invite some actual real world, living, well known, very capable Marxists to address our contentious issues. We might even offer some specific questions we hope they will explicitly address. Okay, however succinctly, let’s now do all those things.

Whether to immerse or not in the Marxist tradition is important to decide because, as Marxists would themselves rightly argue, to possess collectively shared worthy concepts can help us understand our circumstances. A shared framework can help us flexibly conceive worthy goals. It can help us develop effective organization and strategy able to help us navigate to where we want to arrive. In contrast, to have no shared concepts, no shared vision, and no shared strategy would severely reduce our prospects to operate collectively. The choice to immerse or not in the Marxist tradition matters because informed collectivity matters. But what criticisms of the Marxist tradition did I offer? 

First, when utilized by real world actors who carry as baggage the oppressive effects of current society the Marxist tradition’s historical materialism’s economism tends to diminish and distort how we think about extra economic race, gender, sexual, and power relations. Why not address all these critical focuses as well as class without a priori elevating any one above the rest? Why not highlight how they intersect?

Second, Marxism is exceptionally astute about the ills of private ownership of the means of production but the Marxist tradition defines and deploys class analysis in a way that constricts our economic understanding. We become unable to even perceive a third centrally important class much less to address the broad consciousnesses it tends to have and the material and social interests it tends to pursue. Ironically, Marxism’s class concepts diminish our ability to address different class’s potentials to rule in different types of economy right up to the Marxist tradition disastrously advocating, establishing, and enforcing institutions that generate class division and class rule by empowered employees who I call the coordinator class. Indeed, the Marxist tradition does this so forcefully that I ironically and controversially assert that Marxism in practice tends to repeatedly become Marxism Leninism which in one of history’s most ironic and harmful twists tends to become less an ideology of the working class, or of classlessness, and more an ideology of rule by the coordinator class. 

Third, while the Marxist labor theory of value identifies some insightful truths, it simultaneously ignores much about what actually determines wages, prices, and profits. It ignores much that is central about the oppressive structure and consequences of real world production and consumption. The Marxist tradition then tends to accept either markets, central planning or a combination of the two for allocation and to accept a corporate division of labor to define jobs. In turn, regardless of grassroots desires each of these choices obstructs rather than produces classlessness.

Fourth, Marxism urges us to become adept at dialectics. We should study the associated literature. Yet this obscure journey offers nothing essential to those who seek to win a new, worthy and viable world beyond capitalism, sexism, racism, authoritarianism, war, and ecological suicide. Even worse, the obscure academicism of such a journey tends to intimidate and disempower many potential activists.

Finally, as a fifth critical focus, just as I think the Marxist tradition’s concepts tend to diminish and distort attention to extra-economic matters and to ironically promote coordinators over workers, it seems to me it’s concepts also induce or at the very least don’t sufficiently prevent an incredibly damaging drift of too many Marxists into sectarian inflexibility and even mutual annihilation. 

Anecdotally, Robin Hahnel and I published a book Unorthodox Marxism in which we tried to stay in the heritage but also to enrich it, in 1978. The book had a broad focus but initially presented what we called the basics of orthodox Marxism as a theory of history and economy. We made the presentation only positive and hopefully totally accurate. We thought that would make clear what we were challenging and that we knew its features well and accurately. In the book, there then followed a critique of the offered orthodox Marxism, and then an attempt to refine it. Interestingly, after a time we heard that some faculty teaching Marxism used the part of the book that presented Marxism to themselves present Marxism. We took that to mean they thought our presentation was fair and on point. The same faculty, however, did not assign the subsequent critique or the extensions. So we apparently did a good job describing what those faculty wanted to teach, but then they did a better job of avoiding any need to counter our criticisms by simply ignoring them. 

Okay, we have now reached the invitation stage of this article. But what does that even mean? Well, I want to invite a number of Marxism’s current most productive and insightful advocates to a cordial, uncompromising and “let’s get to the heart of it” discussion in hopes that one or more of them will give some time to the concerns.

So far it is distinctly possible, in fact I suspect it is very likely, that few if any of the people I will here invite have even seen much less read the article titled “Should Our Resistance Enhance or Transcend Marxism” or heard the subsequent podcast episode titled “Marxism and Us, Or Not,” both of which are accessible from ZNetwork.org

And while I hope those who I now invite will look at one or the other of those efforts and choose to write a piece that either delineates, debates, debunks, or even demolishes the case I offered—I should acknowledge that I am not so delusional as to think that the folks I hope to engage with in whatever manner they might prefer are likely to read this essay. You might then reasonably ask, “in that case what’s your point, here, in extending the invitations?”

Well, on the one hand, the invited Marxists might not see this directly, but they might hear about it if some of you who have read it decide to write to one or more of them about the invitation and the articles to urge them to take up the issues in whatever way suits them. For that matter, maybe one or more of you who read this will take up the issues yourselves, perhaps with comments appended to this article, or with queries, comments,or corrections offered in ZNet’s Discord channel, which can also be reached via ZNetwork.org—or in whatever other way suits you.

So, with all that preamble, who from the Marxist tradition would I like to engage with?

How about Kali Akuno, a founder of Cooperation Jackson and an extraordinary organizer who has been a guest on RevolutionZ in the past?

And how about Tariq Ali with whom I have had some very modest interaction and who is of course not only a partisan of the tradition that I am urging activists to transcend, but also, like me, long involved in alternative media and thus a frequent participant in public advocacy of and sometimes critique of diverse intellectual approaches?

Or how about, and you can no doubt already discern that I am listing these alphabetically,  Ben Burgis? Ben taught in the on line school I hosted some years back, so again there is some connection, and Ben is certainly a serious and very capable advocate of Marxism.

Next, how about Vivek Chibber? My memory is weak, but I don’t think he and I have had much or perhaps even any contact. But he is certainly a serious, careful, and frequent advocate of Marxism and perhaps still more relevantly he has already been quite involved in discussions that bear on some of the issues arising from what I called economism that I and many others have raised.

Or how about Angela Davis? I am not sure how much Davis’s Marxist background, roots, and studies play a role in her more recent work, but she might be another accomplished advocate for views that I urge us to in many core cases transcend. 

Terry Eagleton would be another eloquent partner for such an exploration though I don’t think I have met him either. Or how about Max Elbaum and Bill Fletcher? They have each been on RevolutionZ and would each be excellent contributors to a discussion of Marxism, the Marxist tradition, and whether to enrich or transcend It.

John Bellemy Foster of Monthly Review would be another excellent contributor. Monthly Review, after all, is one of the foremost Marxist media operations in the world, along with Verso and New Left Review, and we could engage there or via podcasting, or wherever.

Or how about Nancy Fraser who I would say is already an enricher of the tradition and with whom I think I would probably have quite a few views in common but also some differences to explore?

Or how about David Harvey or Doug Henwood, both accomplished Marxist economists, neither of whom I know but one or both of whom might be interested? Or how about Boris Kagarlitsky who I do know somewhat, and who  might be interested as well?

And then there are Robin Kelly, Vijay Prashad, and Kshama Sawant who are activist and intellectual practitioners of the highest order and great energy, and who might wish to rebut my charges as a useful way to advocate for the Marxist tradition. 

And then how about Bhaskar Sunkara of Jacobin and now the Nation and Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor of Hammer and Hope, both also prominent Marxists of great repute and achievement?

And then, to finish with the names of invitees though of course the list could go on, there is also, alphabetically presented here last but arguably the dean and most visible of the current Marxist tradition’s advocates, Rick Wolff. I was actually in a class that Rick taught on Marxism at U Mass Amherst a long long time ago. I think he probably remembers how we clashed fairly often about various aspects of his course. Perhaps Rick could have me on his podcast or I would welcome him on RevolutionZ or he could address my concerns, widely felt by many others as well, in an essay, as could anyone I mentioned here, of course. Any exchange would be more than welcome and perhaps an essay would be most appropriate for such a broad topic.

I should say that I get that the people I just mentioned are all busy doing extremely important things. Still, I hope a few or even just one of them will think the question I pose is important and also timely enough to address even amidst our many other urgent current priorities. As resistance to fascism welcomes steadily more people into activism, should new activists immerse in the Marxist tradition, enrich it, or instead transcend it?

I should perhaps say that the first time I took up such issues was in a 1974 book titled What Is To Be Undone which was even longer ago than that course that I took with Rick Wolff at U. Mass. Amherst. That book’s title revealed that my desire to transcend Marxism and especially Marxism Leninism held sway back then. The effort garnered some attention but did not provoke the wide conversation I hoped to elicit. The second really substantial time I pursued these issues was in the earlier mentioned 1978 book that Robin Hahnel and I together authored titled Unorthodox Marxism in which we tried to enrich but also remain within the tradition. Again the effort got some attention but it didn’t generate much serious debate. And there have been many times since when I have revisited these issues, most especially but not only the criticisms of Marxism’s class concepts. And now, yet again.

So what would I like to hear from anyone who thinks that to address concerns about the Marxist tradition are warranted? Well, to summarize…

First, I would like to know why any of Marxism’s advocates feel that when used by real people in actual contemporary societies historical materialism doesn’t tend to lead to a harmful over emphasis on economy and why it doesn’t cause a still more damaging neglect and especially distortion and narrowing of attention to gender, kinship, sex, race, ethnicity, religion, power and polity. 

Similarly, second, I would like to know why any of Marxism’s advocates feel that for Marxism to deny that class rule over working people can and does arise from an economy’s division of labor and its means of allocation and not solely from its ownership relations doesn’t severely cripple Marxism’s understanding of class, class consciousness, and class struggle. Why doesn’t to ignore and even to deny the existence of a class between labor and capital in capitalism and that rules over labor in the economies that Marxists have established when they have successfully overthrown capitalism, constitute an impeachable offense by the tradition?

For that matter, third, I wonder why any of Marxism’s advocates think the labor theory of value provides sufficient concepts and orientation for understanding wages, prices, and profits and for getting a good grip on workplace issues such as how decisions are made and how workers react toward calls to change society. Why, for example, do any Marxists think wages reflect embodied labor time as compared to relative bargaining power? Why don’t they even say what equitable remuneration would involve?

Fourth, what do Marxism’s advocates even mean when they refer to what they call dialectics, and in particular what if anything do they think that learning that lingo will help activists understand, do, envision, and enact that activists can’t more quickly and easily understand, do, envision, and enact without utilizing dialectics?

And finally, fifth, and perhaps least tractable but equally important, why don’t Marxism’s advocates even entertain the possibility that the Marxist tradition has at best inadequate concepts or advisories to ward off sectarianism and at worst elevates concepts that literally produce sectarianism?

Basically, I would like to know why those who urge immersion in the Marxist tradition don’t instead urge transcending it. Why do they think it would be ignorant or counter productive to seek to transcend the tradition’s horrible faults by investigating their conceptual sources? Put positively, why do they think the Marxist tradition provides sufficient otherwise unavailable wisdom and goals that we should identify with it and even immerse in it, despite the horrendous and I would say predictable historical record of its devastating implications for real world practice? Why do some Marxists ironically seem to act as though the historical record is beside the point?


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Michael Albert`s radicalization occurred during the 1960s. His political involvements, starting then and continuing to the present, have ranged from local, regional, and national organizing projects and campaigns to co-founding South End Press, Z Magazine, the Z Media Institute, and ZNet, and to working on all these projects, writing for various publications and publishers, giving public talks, etc. His personal interests, outside the political realm, focus on general science reading (with an emphasis on physics, math, and matters of evolution and cognitive science), computers, mystery and thriller/adventure novels, sea kayaking, and the more sedentary but no less challenging game of GO. Albert is the author of 21 books which include: No Bosses: A New Economy for a Better World; Fanfare for the Future; Remembering Tomorrow; Realizing Hope; and Parecon: Life After Capitalism. Michael is currently host of the podcast Revolution Z and is a Friend of ZNetwork.

11 Comments

  1. Q1: Why read Marx?
    Q2: Why read Albert telling us not to read Marx?

    I read Michael Albert’s (lengthy 🙂 screed against investing time reading Marx (really against jumping on a “Marxist” bandwagon) as a – valid – proposition from an elder Leftist strongly inspired by the anarchist current*. That in itself is unsurprising since Marx and Marxism is most strongly associated with the communist current*.

    * There is an organizational distinction between 3 main currents of socialism: communist, anarchist, and social democrat. E.g. Immanuel Wallerstein used this to good effect, especially historically.

    (+) I am reminded of the late great David Graeber who but spent a few sentences on Marx dismissing him as a dated 19th century author (and David has written a whole book on “value”).

    (-) Then again, the person most closely aligned to David’s most famous project – the human history of Debt – is surely Michael Hudson. Michael led a study group in accounting debt relations in ancient societies and strongly identifies as a Marxist economist. Michael’s big thing is holding on to some of the insights of classical economics (Ricardo, Smith, Marx), especially the distinction between productive investment (positive) and economic rent (negative), deliberately excised in “neoclassical” economics.

    (+) Personally, I have tried to get into Marx’ original writings (in German); while they can be really funny, this tended to yield diminishing returns for me;
    (-) that is, compared to summaries of his work: Albert Einstein’s “Why Socialism” is on point. Richard Wolf really lets Marx’ insights shine in a contemporary context – I recommend his online lecture series on Marxian economics. “Surplus value” – who gets how much of it, who gets to decide how to spend it, good practical stuff and free of invitations into rabbit-holes ;-).

    Q3: Is an admonition not to read Marx what is needed right now?

    While there is no shortage of good observations in Michael’s essay – i.e. gender and racial politics are sometimes backgrounded by (traditional) class analysis. Then again, there are always counter-arguments, i.e.the neo-liberal blob being effective at co-opting identity politics. Funnily enough, there just now is another article featured on Znetwork on the ecosocial and cultural aspects of Marx’ writings ;-).

    What can we take from the – quite valid – arguments and counter-arguments for and against the perspectives and emphases of the historical communist, social democrat, and anarchist currents?

    Nowadays, many contemporary left projects tend to draw eclectically from all of these traditions, combining their relative strengths of analysis and activism.

    I do see Michael Albert and the wider Z new left of lore as having played their part in this positive development, i.e. their emphasis on the 4 dimensions of economy, household/family, culture, and politics. Likewise, Richard Wolf’s main recent project is “democracy at work” – questioning hierarchies in the workplace, historically a bit of a blind spot for Marxists/the communist current.

    So we have to combine ALL of these perspectives and indeed become more eclectic and many of us have been doing so – indeed, so much so that we may suffer from a lack of clarity and unified understanding. If anything, I think it is here that the “old guard” – like Michael and Richard – can have positive impact to help younger activists strive for clarity of vision and acting.

    For example, by looking at class and race in a wider view at colonialism/imperialism. Older literature may help in this: for example, Justin Podur – who cut his political teeth in Znet – is quite fond of Lenin’s writings on imperialism… but in the context of his Anti-Empire Project currently focused mostly on Palestine.

    So on balance I agree that younger activists are probably well advised to not spend too much time reading Marx – nor Michael’s admonition not to read Marx (or this comment, for that matter ;-).

    Currently what is most practically pressing is theoretical understanding that lets us orient ourselves and understand the strengths and blind spots of others – some of whom are inspired by people inspired by Marx…

    • Michael Albert on

      Hello andreas5,

      Thank you for the comment.

      First you are correct the piece is not about reading Marx or not…but about immersing in the Marxist Tradition or not. Some people don’t get that distinction…

      And yes, I am inspired by anarchism, feminism, what I call inter communalism, and let’s say ecologism– nit not by the Marxist versions of them rather by them each in their own right, and then their connections…

      And of course there are insights in Marx, and even in the Marxist Tradition, to retain, as I note.

      But also like your worry about being too eclectic. The various wisdoms do need to be attended to (and sometimes refined/expanded) but in their entwinement and in an encompassing framework of concepts, to be best able to inspire and guide unified rather than fragmented activism.

      I am struck, though, by your not mentioning the issue of class, what it is, what to do about it. Does it mean you think the Marxist Tradition treats class, class relations, class rule sufficiently and accurately avouch to be a useful guide, as compared to my thinking Marxism understanding of class and the involved concepts obscures and denies clarity and, as a result, elevates what I call the coordinator class as the expense of the workin class, I think I called it an impeachable offense…

      • Thanks for your thoughtful replies,

        > I am struck, though, by your not mentioning the issue of class

        Yes, I did not do justice to the target essay here. Helpfully Znetwork auto-linked your essay “Class and/or Identity?!” from February.

        I read your general critique of Marxist schools as an instance of organizations whose conceptual toolkit is in danger of becoming “hermetic” – and certainly I think we all have met people who have drunk too deeply from that well…

        In attacking Marxism on class itself – its own home turf – I have to agree your critique goes a lot further than the bickering between class vs identity, even that between the “pluralist” vs. either single-issue champion.

        For some reason I felt the need to preach to the choir for a few paragraphs, feel free to skip to below.

        Personally, I always found the spotlight on empowering (aspects of) work exceptionally useful, also the foregrounding on how quickly a person, including activists ourselves, may change their mindset once they e.g. are able to make a living from mainly managerial work. Perhaps the corresponding emphasis of the “alienation of labor” in Marxism is too negative – and, abstract*.

        Marxists (and indeed Karl himself) clearly foregrounded the factory – and tend to unsee the “petty bourgouis”, “care workers”, and so on. And somehow even then give short shrift to the line managers in said factory, let alone the legal clerks, doctors… involved in the operation. All the while insisting that their theory is ultimately about and grounded in “human relations” – again in the abstract*. This always irked me to no end ;-).

        [I here use abstract in the conventional sense, I understand Marxists have their own definition of “abstract” vs “concrete”; which is rich and interesting to be fair… then again this game of lay people becoming initiates by learning the special layers of meaning of otherwise normal words is also quite revealing.]

        There are exceptions, though… e.g. Marxists do remember the PMC when it comes to the question of whether they side with the owners or the workers in a particular struggle, etc. Also I mentioned Richard Wolff’s “Democracy at Work” where he does focus in on actual hierarchies in actual workplaces.

        This may be less of a problem for high level policy questions. Having lived in European and North American cities, I am always struck by how much North American cities are designed primarily a playground for the “developers”, “investor class”, the “.1%”… – in their zoning, where shops and supermarkets are located, i.e. completely lacking in poorer areas . [To be fair, the top 5-15% do own large houses, increasingly inherited from their parents, lined up in “good” as opposed to “shady” sections of the city/suburbs, all visible from space]

        But we probably agree on all of this, it took me 5 more paragraphs to say “yes”… Now for the nitpicking 😉

        Apart from being too contrarian 😉 – rather than acknowledging how much I’ve benefited from the wider “ZSchool” myself – I may have skipped on the topic of class because of a generational issue complicating the whole sorry mess. Apologies that this is getting rather dark.

        The “PMC” has taken a beating under really existing neo-liberal capitalism. I’ve spent most of my life in academia, the natural home or at least school for the coordinator classes; Even the tenured professors – while nominally in total command of their own little fiefdoms – are not feeling “empowered” nor doing much “empowering” work. And very few of my generation could realistically aspire to reach that level. Just do an internet search for “PhD Comics Intellectual Freedom”, this captures it perfectly.

        When we had our own university uprisings in the 2000s (in the German speaking world), we noticed that opposed to 1968, there was little need to bridge the gap between “students” and “workers”: pretty much all students reflexively self-identified as working class, and were waiting tables, etc to prove it. But surely once we graduate…. oh, well…

        While it is certainly not original to him, Dan Davies has a section in his book “The Unaccountability Machine” where he makes explicit that the “Managerialism” that so defines our age is really the total abdication of power of the coordinator class to “shareholder value”, that is, the owners:

        Rather than having dignity, prestige, good working conditions… the work of everyone – even that of the new managers themselves – is organized primarily to be transparent to a higher echelon still. So workers are ranked according to “benchmarks” and constantly struggling to compete for increasingly meaningless points on some scale, ultimately tied to the fluctuating stock price. We invented this stuff in academia: competition on publication record expressed as a single metric, but ultimately track record of recently acquired grant money. The sum total of a career of contributing to science conveniently expressed in a single fluctuating $ value that may shape one’s remaining career, if any…

        Conversely, most new “entrepreneurs” are really glorified or even actual Uber Eats drivers, who can do all the “empowering work” of managing their own routes, making their own hours, etc. [Somebody at least paid attention to the value of empowering work, did the maths, then deducted from pay]. They are supervised not by a member of the coordinator class, but by a hostile algorithm.

        Surely, at least some member of the coordinator class wrote the hostile algorithm in the first place? Well, there are only very few people needed to design and maintain such algorithms, and they are likely early employees from the startup days and hence were paid in equity in the company… further blurring the lines between owners and managers. Of course, most startups fail. And most of the employees joining the winning start-ups later are themselves gig workers…

        On the personal side, it is telling that many examples of “bullshit jobs” collated by David Graeber are PMC level – even upper management “vice president for suchandsuch”. They themselves wrote in to David to express their utter emptiness of being.

        Ok, on a more positive(?) side, I recognize there are still whole domains of work organized along more traditional lines (i.e. ripe for “disruption”)… with no shortage of good careers of people catering to the needs of the very rich or the myriad of poor and downwardly mobile. And the weapon’s industries… Of course, many of those people now have nightmares about being replaced by AI in between doing their empowering, highly compensated work…

        Don’t get me wrong, nuanced class analysis itself, and the insistence on dignity, self-directness, etc., is surely needed more than ever. Perversely, the technofeudalist trajectory in the West seems intent on making the classical Marxist class analysis more viable…

        I leave you on this happy note 😉

        • Michael Albert on

          Hi, again…

          I believe your comments aren’t dependent on anything central to the Marxist tradition and do tend to escape its grip. Sort of like Hahnel and I writing Unorthodox Marxism. We could have then said we are Marxist to stay on that team and defend it, etc., but instead we noticed, hold on. Liking Che aside, It turns out we have rejected too much of the Marxist core and the Tradition to honestly and sensibly say it is fine. We are it. Point being, the issue isn’t what insights can someone schooled in Marxist Tradition manage to come up with…but whether being immersed in that tradition tends to foster and reflect the best insights or impede and eliminate them…and to maintain and impose other harmful views. If we look around we see that the orthodox aspect, and then the Leninist/trotskyist aspect, overwhelmingly dominate outcomes.

          The coordinator class resides between labor and capital. It is subordinate to the latter in capitalism but struggles for more or less income and impact even while being subordinate. Capital doesn’t just sit back and watch this third class grow in material wealth and economic and social power without defending itself. And so yes to your inclinations…but then to think this contending makes the coordinator class working class will in practice yield anti-capitalist paths that elevate coordinators rather than generate classlessness…

          I asked some specific questions at the end of the second essay on the topic. They are not about a particular Marxist who may operate in ways that are particularly insightful, though I will be honest and say there is a serious dirty of such folks but about the overall tradition and immersing in it. I think they are the grounds on which to dismiss or support the “transcend Marxism” argument….

          If someone asks me who to read to better understand international relations, I don’t recommend Lenin, who certainly has some insights but I do recommend Chomsky… as one example. But such exchanges assume implicitly that one is talking about students, faculty, etc. etc., once iwe are talking about working class folks, even the good, outside the box that they are typically caught in Marxist is nearly always too academic…even too dismissive…

          Very unlike you….

    • Michael Albert on

      Second Reply to andreas – you raise three explicit questions:

      Q1: Why read Marx?
      Q2: Why read Albert telling us not to read Marx?
      Q3: Is an admonition not to read Marx what is needed right now?

      My brief answers:

      Q1: One might read Marx for many reasons, of course. For example, to experience his eloquence, to explore the original formulation of various insights, to find insights or errors, and so on. I don’t think doing so is for most people a necessary, the only, the best path or sometimes even a useful path to an effective toolbox of concepts suited to the present. To Immerse in the Marxist Tradition is a different matter. As the article argues, I think that is not just not worth the outlay of time, but also typically counterproductive. And yes, I did both, Marx and Marxism, way back, and then had to extricate myself from much that I had taken on.

      Q2: Well, I didn’t say, anywhere, I think, don’t read Marx, though I certainly don’t urge it. Why read me or anyone criticizing the Marxist Tradition and trying to unearth the roots of its inadequacies? Because the Tradition is full of horrible outcomes we should want to aggressively avoid.

      Q3: Let me change this to: is an admonition not to immerse in the Marxist Tradition needed right now? It certainly isn’t the only thing needed. But yes, to avoid economism that in turn fragments and distorts movements, to avoid class blindness that misdirects movements, and we might say,, to avoid sectarianism, and in some instances obscurantist academicism, both of which undercut movements, I think such an admonition is needed–again among many other things also needed.

  2. There are many, many brands of leftists that are mired in theory, strident, inflexible and generally excessively unpleasant to be around. Some are marxists, some are feminists, some are environmentalists, etc., etc., etc.

    My view is that Marx is one of many important social critics and philosophers who provided important breakthoughs in human thought. Marxism and marxian analysis is a tool, or model for analysing political-economic phenomena. It has flaws. It has strengths. I would think that any leftist would be well served by gaining a basic understanding of it on its own terms. Just as any leftist should have a basic understanding of Foucault, de-construction, Post-modernism, feminist theory, etc.

    The study of marxism has enabled me to form a theory of history that is rooted in materialism and the dialectic, but can integrate culture, kinship, racial relations, etc. into the mix. Without Marx I dare say that there would be no Weber, Freud, Gramsci, Foucault, bell hooks and on and on. Yes, there are flaws in marxism, but why the attitude? It’s a model like anything else.

    On last point for activists on the left to ponder: If all these approaches to liberation and the defeat of the bad guys are equally valid (feminism, kniship relations, economy/class, race nationalism), why do the powers that be and the fascists seem so focused on communism and socialism as the prime enemy? The Red Scares of the early 1920’s, McCarthyism, the Cold War, Cuba, Chile, Nicaurauga and so on suggest that this is the main focus or fear of the ruling classes.

    Take Marxism for what it is. Relax. It can be useful and even fun.

    • Michael Albert on

      Hello Pat,

      We may have more than one disagreement. You write.. “any leftist should have a basic understanding of Foucault, de-construction, Post-modernism, feminist theory, etc.” Feminism, yes. For sure. The rest, I wouldn’t burn the books, but I don’t think they have much, if anything, to offer activists, or, for that matter, even serious academics. What do you know due to familiarity with Foucault, de-construction, or post modernism that helps you understand society to change it, that offsets the academic blather one has to wade through with each?

      You say about Marxism, “yes there are flaws, but why the attitude? It’s a model, like anything else” Well, I think it is a conceptual framework or, if you prefer, an ideology. It has played a pivotal role in various social struggles and revolutions. Its concepts lead most often, even almost inexorably, to certain views and practices. I have indicated why I feel these offer little of use to, and worse cause problems for activism. You haven’t addressed any of those claims. But, okay, what theory of history do you have, and what’s dialectics got to do got to do with it? What in what I wrote is wrong, or simply too unimportant to qualify as reasons to not urge people to immerse in the Marxist tradition?

      As to why elites spend considerable time attacking communism and socialism (referring to what Marxist movements have implemented) perhaps because it is such an easy target.

  3. I enjoyed reading this article, very interesting topic. These issues are actually quite relevant in the activism sphere which I encounter regularly. (I live in Vienna).

    To me the most devastating effect of Marxism that I encountered, is that the valuable political energy of young bright people gets absorbed into meaningless action. It’s very sad to see that different groups attack each other because they don’t share exactly the same opinions. There seems to be little interest in actual significance, the focus is rather on having the right opinions, to the point of being completely disconnected to real world events and almost a religious worship of Marx, Hegel etc.

    One aspect that seems to be underlying is the conception of state power and private power. There is a great pessimism towards the state and that no change can be achieved without taking over the state. It always appears to me that the roots of state power are greatly misunderstood. In my view a great portion of state power lies in conformitism of civilians which is induced by authority, propaganda and lack of political organisation. A lot of stuff the government is able to do only because society is not appropriately informed about or passiv about. It not hard to understand why when you read newspapers or look at an average day of a working person. Therefore this state power is to great extent “performative” and in theory could be challenged why civil movements or elections. So far my understand of the world.

    This view is not held among the Marxist which I talked to. They were convinced that very change in law would immediately be pulled and reactionary forces would prevail. Even to the point of believing that major civil movements would be violently suppressed and have no power at all. I don’t know exactly where this conception comes, maybe from a certain historical interpretation. I would always suggest that states are powerful institutions which society can use to fights private power, since society theoretically has influence over the state.

    That is just my personal experience and insight. I have no idea about Marxists theory.

    • Michael Albert on

      Hello,

      Thanks for the response.

      I was to Austria once but have no real knowledge of what you encounter there, other than by analogy to elsewhere and by extension of trends that I do experience.

      There are in fact Marxists who see the state as at least in part a site of contention where, as you suggest, movements can win and even hang on to real gains and do so even before, even well before, transforming the economy. It is self evidently the case, as you indicate, so it is not surprising that some see it. Or that the not so helpful mindsets also exist. Likewise the smashing of one another and the seemingly simultaneously fatalistic, apocalyptic, and triumphalist views of all or nothing politics

  4. Michael Albert on

    Hi,

    I appreciate your replying. I have to disagree though, perhaps on two counts. The first may just be a product of your having written a short reply. Marxist economic analysis is flawed, I would agree, due to its class analysis, labor theory of value, economism, etc. but it is not flawed simply due to his having written a long time ago. And actually, the economy that marx thought about way back when is abstractly very much like it is now, and so much that he saw and addressed is relevant. If one wants to read in that tradition he is definitely not the worst to turn to. Where I suspect we agree on this matter is that that doesn’t even remotely suggest that the best way to see even his own insights much less to understand the current world in order to change it is to immerse in his writing.

    But as to Lenin, most of what his writings addressed were very much contextual and thus time bound. The exhortations that weren’t are, I would suggest, among the worst things to turn to in the tradition. I hope what I have written isn’t taken by many, even by anyone, to suggest that yes we should get beyond reading Marx, we should read and emulate Lenin. That would be going from the conceptual flying pan into the strategic fire.

  5. subcomandante Felix on

    And still the so-called progressive-left wonders why they remain politically impotent and why Trump and his gang of fascist criminals are running the U.S. While capitalism and the ruling class have changed and adapted to a rapidly changing world and political reality, the left continue to study an economic analysis that is some 200 years old — describing a reality that has not existed for at least half that time. At very least they should be reading more Lenin!

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