Umthombo: Idemokhrasi Ngoku!
Siya eNew Delhi, eIndiya, ukuya kuthetha nombhali odumileyo waseIndiya kunye netshantliziyo uArundhati Roy malunga nobhubhane, umkhosi wase-US kunye nemeko yobuntatheli. URoy waqala ukubonakala kwiDemokhrasi Ngoku! emva kokufumana i-backlash ebanzi yokuthetha ngokuchasene nokuhlasela kwe-Afghanistan e-Afghanistan. Ngelo xesha, ukuma kwakhe okuchasene nemfazwe kwangqubana nokunyuka kwamaza okuthandโ izwe kwaye kumemelela imfazwe emva ko-9/11. โNgoku kwamajelo eendaba athetha into ebesiyithetha kwiminyaka engama-20 eyadlulayo,โ utshilo uRoy. Kodwa ingxaki kukuba, ixesha liphelile.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Yi le Intando yeninzi Ngoku! Ndingu-Amy Goodman, njengoko siphendukela kumbhali odumileyo kunye nomlweli-mkhosi u-Arundhati Roy. Intando yeninzi Ngoku!'s Nermeen Shaikh kwaye ndisandula udliwanondlebe noArundhati osuka kwikhaya lakhe eNew Delhi.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: I-Arundhati, iyamangalisa kakhulu ku-Nermeen kunye nam ukuba sithetha nawe, singena kwikhaya lakho eNew Delhi. Sibona iishelufu zeencwadi ezijikelezayo emva kwakho. Ingathi yile nto uyenyukayo, iincwadi zakho, njengoko, ndicinga ukuba, uhamba ilizwe ekhaya ngoku kulo bhubhani. Kodwa wawuqhuba Intando yeninzi Ngoku! okwesihlandlo sokuqala njengama-20 eminyaka eyadlulayo, kumashumi amabini eminyaka eyadlulayo, emva koko, ukususela ngoko, onke amaxesha abalulekileyo. Ndicinga ngeMfazwe yase-Iraq kwaye uza e-United States kunye nokuthetha kwakho kwihlabathi jikelele ngokuchasene nayo. Ngaba ungathetha nje - kulungile, okokuqala, molo. Kwaye, Nermeen, joyina. Molo.
ARUNHATI UROY: Ewe, molo.
I-NEMEEN I-SHAIKH: Molo, Arundhati, kwaye wamkelekile kwakhona kumboniso.
ARUNHATI UROY: Molo, Nermeen.
I-NEMEEN I-SHAIKH: Sinqwenela ukuba ubulapha estudiyo kunye nathi. Ewe, ndinqwenela ukuba bendikwistudiyo, ukuqala.
ARUNHATI UROY: Akwaba ubusekhaya nam. Oko bekuya kuba kuhle ngakumbi. Iyamangalisa kakhulu, akunjalo? Isondelelene kakhulu kwikhaya lomntu, ukanti ukhutshiwe. Lixesha elingaqhelekanga.
Kodwa yintoni amashumi amabini eminyaka, uyazi? Kwaye ngenene, oku akufanelanga ukuba kube malunga nam. Kufuneka ibe malunga nawe kwaye yintoni umsebenzi omangalisayo owenze iminyaka emininzi, uyazi, iminyaka engama-25, indlela yokubamba umgca. Lilo, uyazi, ngexesha apho amajelo eendaba akwingxaki enjalo, hayi nje ngolwakhiwo kodwa ngokwengqiqo, ndiyacinga. Kufuneka sikhathazeke ngokwenene malunga nokuba siza kuqhubeka njani, kuba ndicinga ukuba yeyona nto inkulu ehlaselweyo ngoku ngazo zonke iindlela ebesingenakuphupha ngazo kwiminyaka engama-20 eyadlulayo, akunjalo?
I-NEMEEN I-SHAIKH: Arundhati, cacisa ukuba uthetha ukuthini ngaloo nto. Uthetha ukuthini ukuba amajelo eendaba, amajelo eendaba azimeleyo, aphantsi kwesoyikiso ngeendlela ezininzi ezahlukeneyo, kuquka nengqiqo?
ARUNHATI UROY: Ewe, into endiyithethayo kukuba, kunjalo, imithombo yeendaba ezimeleyo ibisoloko idada ngokuchasene nemeko yangoku. Kodwa ngoku, ngandlela ithile, sinamajelo eendaba azimeleyo kumajelo eendaba azimeleyo, akunjalo? Unayo le atomization yendlela iindaba kunye neendaba ezingeyonyani kunye namabali enziwa luhlobo lwemibhobho kwihlabathi liphela, kwaye kwenzeka njani - kunye nemithombo yeendaba zentlalo, ezisa abantu kumagumbi e-echo abangakwaziyo kuwo - emva koko batywinelwe kuhlobo , uyazi, i-microideologies, kwaye awukwazi ukuthetha ngapha kwaloo miqobo. Kwaye ke, ngandlela ithile, abo bethu benza le nto siyenzayo baphakathi koku. Uyazi, kwelinye icala, i-media ye-giant corporate, kwaye kwelinye icala, le nkampani, i-atomized media yentlalontle, ene-algorithms embi kakhulu ngoku idala ingxaki kwaye idala ulwazi oluninzi kangangokuba ingqondo yomntu ayinako ngokwenene. inkqubo. Ke, sihamba njani isikhephe sethu esincinci kwisiphango?
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Arundhati, xa uqala ukufika Intando yeninzi Ngoku! Kwiminyaka engama-20 eyadlulayo, yayingu-Oktobha 19, 2001. Khawucinge nje ngelo xesha. Kwakuyiyo, uyazi, inyanga emva kokuhlaselwa kwe-11 kaSeptemba, kwaye usanda kubhala Qhekeza in Guardian enomxholo othi โIAlgebra yoBulungisa obungenasiphelo,โ apho ubusithi, โiMelika isemfazweni nabantu engabaziyo, kuba ababonakali kakhulu kumabonwakude. Ngaphambi kokuba achonge ngokufanelekileyo okanye aqalise nokuqonda uhlobo lotshaba lwakhe, urhulumente wase-US, ngokungxama koluntu kunye neentetho ezihlazisayo, wahlanganisa 'umfelandawonye wezizwe ngezizwe ngokuchasene nobugrogrisi,' wahlanganisa umkhosi wakhe, umkhosi wakhe womoya, umkhosi waselwandle. kunye neendaba zayo, zabanikela emfazweni. Ingxaki kukuba xa iMelika isiya emfazweni, ayinakubuya ingakhange ilwe.โ Kwiminyaka engamashumi amabini eyadlulayo, kanye emva kokuba i-US ihlasele i-Afghanistan.
ARUNHATI UROY: Kwaye khangela. Ndiyathetha, jonga i-symmetry ebalisayo yento esiyibone kwiinyanga ezimbalwa ezidlulileyo xa yarhoxayo, emva - ngendlela elihlazo. Andazi ukuba mandithini, uyazi, ngoku, kuba ndikhumbula-ndikhumbula ngokucacileyo ixesha xa ndibhala esi sincoko, uyazi, ndixelelwa ngumntu wonke, "Sukuyenza," kuba umsindo ekuphakameni okunjalo e-US, ubuzwe babukwincopho enjalo. Uyazi, imoto nganye yayibhabha iiflegi ezine. Kwaye โSukuyenza,โ uyazi? Kwaye andizange ndikwazi ukuyibhala.
Kodwa ke ndafunda into, kuba ukufika kwam apho, ndafunda ukuba ndingaze ndibhide, uyazi, bonke abantu abanorhulumente wabo, akunjalo? Ke, yavula ubuhlobo obuninzi kunye neencoko kunye nobudlelwane obuhlala iminyaka emininzi.
Kwaye namhlanje, ndifumene-enye yezinto endizifumana zingonwabanga kukuba uya kuba nemithombo yeendaba, kwiminyaka engama-20 eyadlulayo, xa ndandibhala le nto, yayiyinto nje - ndikhumbula ndikwinkundla yemfazwe e-Iraq kwaye umntu efunda into evela. Iphephabhuku lasekunene eIndiya - e-US, apho bathi, "Ndiza kuba kwicala lakhe nabani na othatha ibhasi ukuya eArundhati Roy." Kwaye ndathi, uyazi, yile nto ndiyithethayo malunga nokusetyenziswa kwamandla ngendlela engafanelekanga: Kutheni ibunker buster xa imbumbulu inokwenza? Kodwa ngoku kwa amajelo eendaba athetha into esasiyithetha kwiminyaka engama-20 eyadlulayo. Uyazi, ngoku ibe yinto ovunyelwe ukuthetha ngayo kwezo ndawo. Kodwa ingxaki seyishiywe lixesha. Uyazi? So, ndimane ndibukela abantu abahlekisa abantu abafana nam, abathi makasiwe kugqirha wengqondo, uyaphambana, uyaphambana, ngoku ethetha into efanayo, uyazi? Kwaye uhlobo oluthile lokuthula okunzulu luhlala kum ngamanye amaxesha.
I-NEMEEN I-SHAIKH: Ndifuna ukubuyela, u-Arundhati, kwinqanaba owawusenza ngaphambili malunga nesongelo kumajelo azimeleyo. Kudliwano-ndlebe kwingqokelela yodliwano-ndlebe nawe ebizwa Ukumila Kwerhamncwa, uthe, "Enye yezinto ekufuneka zenziwe kukuba enye imithombo yeendaba ifikelele kwinqanaba apho imidiya yeshishini ingabi namsebenzi." Ngoku, uyichazile ngaphambili inyani yale mpembelelo ye-atomizing yemithombo yeendaba zentlalo, yemithombo yeendaba zentlalo, eyingozi kakhulu ngenxa yokuba ifikelelwa ngabantu abaninzi kwihlabathi liphela. Ke, ngaba unokuthetha ngale nto, ukubaluleka, ukubaluleka kwemithombo yeendaba ezimeleyo xa ijongene nezi zoyikiso ziphantse zibe ngamawele?
ARUNHATI UROY: Ewe, ngenxa yokuba loo midiya yoluntu, ebonakala izimeleyo kwaye ibonakala ngathi sikhulisa amazwi angabonakaliyo kunye nokunye, eneneni i-corporate ngakumbi kune-corporate - imidiya yenkampani yendabuko. Kunene? Ke ngoku sikwimeko apho siphakathi - njengoko benditshilo, phakathi kwezi zembe zimbini.
Kwaye, uyazi, uthatha iIndiya. Unayo, uyazi, amajelo eendaba, amajelo eendaba, oomabonakude, ooshicilelo, amakhulukhulu eejelo zeendaba zeeyure ezingama-24, zonke ziqhutywa ngemali yenkampani, emva koko amahlazo aphuma ngoku malunga noFacebook. kunye ne-WhatsApp kunye nokuthanda kwabo ukuxhasa i BJP kwaye ilungelo, ngoko unayo - uyazi, uqubha kwisuphu enetyhefu enjalo, i-24 yeyure ye-drip yetyhefu. Kwaye kukho kakhulu, bambalwa kakhulu, ubukhulu becala kwi-intanethi kunye nemagazini enye okanye ezimbini zoshicilelo lweendaba, onokuthi ujike ukuze wazi ukuba kuqhubeka ntoni na, zonke zizama ngokukhalipha ukuhlala ekhosini ngelixa zihlaselwa macala onke. Ngoko ke, kuyafana Intando yeninzi Ngoku! e-US, uyazi?
Ke, unemeko endicinga ukuba asazi ukuba singayiphatha njani ngokwengqiqo, kuba, uyazi, isixa sobuxoki obukhutshwayo, isixa setyhefu, isixa setyhefu, kukuqhekeza nje ilizwe elinje. Indiya. Kwaye ngoku ulwimi olunye, isizwe esinye, inkolo enye iya kulikrazula eli lizwe, kuba lisiseko sentlalo esakhiwe kwiindawo ezininzi, iilwimi ezininzi, iintlanga ezininzi, iinkolo ezininzi, kunye nantoni na ofuna ukuyibiza ngokuthi, i-secularism. , inkululeko, nokuba yintoni na, yikontraka eyenza oku kube nokwenzeka. Kwaye ukuba uya kujongela phantsi oko ngokusebenzisa le mithombo yeendaba, ngumbuzo wexesha ngaphambi kokuba iwele njengoko iSoviet Union yenza okanye njengoko yenzayo iYugoslavia, uyazi? Iqhekeza nje ngamasuntswana amancinci. Kwaye nabantu abasebenza kwezi nkampani, nokuba nguFacebook nokuba yintoni na, bayayazi loo nto. Bayazi ukuba basiqhubela kwinkanyamba ekungaphumi kuyo, uyazi?
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: UArundhati, ukuba unokuthetha ngale minyaka ye-20 ukusukela oko saqala ukuthetha nawe emva kokuba i-US ihlasele i-Afghanistan? Ayizange itshintshe nje uluntu lwaseMelika okanye iAfghanistan, kunjalo. EIndiya, unayo le ntshukumo ichasene namaSilamsi ekhula ngokwenene emva kohlaselo lwe-9/11. Thetha malunga nendlela eyakhiwe ngayo iIndiya, inkulu kakhulu kune-United States, kunye nento oyibonayo namhlanje njengamajelo eendaba egubungela ukuphuma kwe-US e-Afghanistan.
ARUNHATI UROY: Ewe, yayilixesha elibaluleke kakhulu, ngelo xesha xa wawunayo, uyazi, ngokucacileyo, ekuqaleni, inkxaso-mali yase-US kunye nokuvuselela uhlobo lwamaSilamsi abukhali, ukuxhasa ngemali oko ekugqibeleni kwaba yiTaliban, ukuxhasa ngemali i-mujahideen, masithi. Aba Taliban, ewe, beza emva kwexesha. Kwaye oko kwaba nohlobo oluthile lwesiphumo esiqhekezayo kulo mmandla, kuba, ngokucacileyo, kwangaxeshanye, wawuseIndiya ngo-'89 ukutshatyalaliswa kweBabri Masjid. Ngoko ke, ngo-1999, iphiko lasekunene liye lalawula, laqhuba olu vavanyo lwenyukliya, kwaye ucalucalulo lwalusele luqalile.
Kwaye kakhulu, umdla kum, ngoSeptemba 11, 2001, xa uhlaselo lwe-9/11 lwenzeka kwaye uhlobo lwe-Islamophobia yamazwe ngamazwe yanikwa imvume yokudlula, uhlobo lombutho we-fascist olubizwa ngokuba uShishino, uRashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, oonombono wakhe babhale ngokukhululekileyo ngokumncoma uHitler, abaye babhekisela kumaSilamsi aseIndiya njengamaYuda aseJamani, abaye bacela ngokuqhubekayo ukuba i-Indiya ibhengezwe njengesizwe samaHindu - kunye noModi, umphathiswa okhoyo ngoku. , ngokucacileyo ebelilungu lelo qela ukususela xa wayekwishumi elivisayo, ndiyacinga. Kwaye ke, xa 9/11 kwenzeka, i uShishino yabona ixesha layo. Kwaye okubangel 'umdla kukuba, kwiiveki nje ezimbalwa, uModi wafakwa kwisikhundla somphathiswa oyintloko welizwe laseGujarat, ngo-Okthobha. Kwaye ngoFebruwari olandelayo, emva kokutshiswa kukaloliwe apho inani labahambi ngezonqulo batshiswa ngenkohlakalo bafa - kwaye nanamhlanje asazi ukuba ngubani owenza loo nto - kwakukho le ndyikityha yokufa eGujarat yamaSilamsi ngamaqela amaHindu aphiko lasekunene. . Kwaba ngathi, uyazi, amawaka abantu, ikhulu lamawaka abantu bagxothwa emakhayeni abo, amawaka abulawa, abafazi badlwengulwe, abantu batshiswa bephila. Kwaye emva koko, ngandlela ithile uModi, ongazange aphume kwaye acele uxolo ngayo, wayebizwa ngokuba yiHindu Hriday Samrat, uyazi, uMlawuli weentliziyo zamaHindu, kwaye ukusukela ngoko akazange aphulukane nonyulo. Ngoko, umoya - bakhwela umoya. Uyazi?
Kwaye namhlanje, sikwimeko apho andazi ukuba kukweziphi na izizathu i-Indiya enokuthiwa yidemokhrasi, uyazi, kuba unyulo nje aluyenzi idemokhrasi. Kwaye sinoqoqosho oludodobalisayo. Sinamakhulu abantu abasentolongweni - amatsha ntliziyo, izifundiswa, abafundi, amagqwetha. Nabani na ophakamisa ilizwi lakhe uvalelwa entolongweni. Ungazibuza ukuba kutheni ndiphumile. Ndihlala ndicinga ukuba ndifana nokuguqulwa kwe-canary kumgodi wamalahle, uyazi, ngathi, "Ewe, uthetha into ayithandayo, ke kufuneka sibe yidemokhrasi." Kodwa, uyazi, maqabane, abahlobo bam basentolongweni bonke.
I-NEMEEN I-SHAIKH: Kwaye, Arundhati, ngaba unokucacisa indlela amajelo eendaba aphambili eIndiya agubungele ngayo le minyaka kurhulumente weModi? Njengoko usitsho, akakhange aphulukane nonyulo ukusukela oko wangena kulawulo, ngaphandle kwayo yonke imiba oyiqaqambisayo, equka, uyazi, ukuwa kwezoqoqosho, nokuba abantu abakhathazeki kangako malunga nenani lamabanjwa ezopolitiko. Yeyiphi indima edlalwe ngamajelo eendaba ekujongeni phantsi okanye ekungabheni nje imigaqo-nkqubo embi elandelwe ngurhulumente weModi? Uthethile ngaphambili, ngokunjalo, nakwenye ukubhala kwakho ukuxhasa ezinye zeendaba ezizimeleyo ezimbalwa eIndiya, kubandakanywa Ikharavani iphephancwadi, phakathi kwabanye, abaye bazama ukwenza, ukuhlawulela oko amajelo aqhelekileyo kunye nemiba emininzi yeendaba zoluntu ezingakhange ziqwalaselwe. Ngoko, ukuba unokucacisa ngakumbi ngaloo nto? Ziziphi izinto eziye zalawula iintloko zeendaba kumajelo aqhelekileyo, kuquka nala matshaneli amakhulu eeyure ezingama-24?
ARUNHATI UROY: Ke, mandiqale ngokuthi kukho ii-portal ze-intanethi, ezifana I-Wire, njengephephancwadi elishicilelweyo Ikharavani, njengaye Skrola, njengaye Impahla yeendaba, Iiphothali zesiHindi ezifana eJanchowk, abaye, uyazi, benze umsebenzi omangalisayo - kwaye ndifuna ukubakhahlela - ngeendlela ezincinci kunye nemali, kodwa isibindi kunye nobukrelekrele obuninzi.
Ngoku, kumajelo eendaba, ndiza kuthetha oku, ukuba uModi ngokwakhe, engqondweni yam, ungumntu ophakathi kakhulu, uyazi? Kodwa ngohlobo lwenkxaso yemithombo yeendaba ayifumanayo, nabani na - ungachola nabani na kwaye ubenze babonakale njengengqondi. Kwaye yile nto yenzekileyo, uyazi? Zonke inkohlakalo, zonke iintsilelo ezinkulu zomgaqo-nkqubo, ukubanjwa kwabantu baseIndiya ngokungathi silutshaba, ngequbuliso sabhengeza ukwenziwa kwedemoni ezinzulwini zobusuku, ngequbuliso sabhengeza ukuvalwa okukhulu kwe-corona ngaphandle kokuba nombono wokuba izigidi zabantu abahlala ezixekweni ngaphandle - baya kuhamba phi bengenakutya, bengenamsebenzi, bengenamali? Bazakuhamba iwaka lemayile ukuya ekhaya. Uyazi, ingathi akazazi nokuba yinkulumbuso yeliphi ilizwe. Kodwa konke oku kugqityiwe.
Bendingatsho ukuba iindaba azixelwa okanye zijongelwe phantsi. Ndingatsho ukuba uninzi lwamajelo eendaba aphambili, ngakumbi ii-ankile zeendaba zikamabonwakude, zisebenze njengabaphathi kunye nabaphathi bee-lynch mobs. Uyazi, bakhuphe iindaba ezingeyonyani ezibambe abafundi abancinci. Benze izinto eziya kuthi ngenye imini, ndiyathemba, baya kubizwa ukuba baphendule, kuba ngaphandle kwabo, le meko eIndiya ngengazange ivele.
Namhlanje, wonke umntu usebenza ngenxa yoloyiko, kuquka nabantu abangaphakathi BJP. Akukho mntu unokuthetha nantoni na, kuquka abantu, abezopolitiko abakhulu kwiqela eliphikisayo, kuba bonke boyika ukuvalelwa, uyazi, ukuqulunqwa, ukugrunjwa imisebenzi yabo yangaphambili. Kwaye, uyazi, zonke zisengozini ngandlela ithile. Ke, ngenene sifana nenkqubo yombutho omnye ngoku. Kwaye i BJP ngoku, namhlanje, ndiyacinga, mhlawumbi lelona qela lezopolitiko lizizityebi ehlabathini, kwaye liye lalawula zonke iintambo zamandla. Kwaye onke amaziko angenwa ngamalungu e uShishino.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Arundhati, bendifuna ukukubuza ngalo bhubhani sisekuwo kwihlabathi liphela. Ubhale a Qhekeza ukwenzela i Financial Times kulo nyaka uphelileyo ubizwe ngokuba โngubhubhani yiPortal,โ ibicatshulwe kuyo yonke indawo. Kuyo, uthe, "Sinokukhetha ukuhamba ngayo, sidonsa izidumbu zocalucalulo kunye nenzondo yethu, i-avarice yethu, iibhanki zethu zedatha kunye neengcamango ezifileyo, imilambo yethu efileyo kunye nesibhakabhaka esinomsi emva kwethu. Okanye sinokuhamba kancinci, sinomthwalo omncinci, silungele ukuba nomfanekiso ngqondweni welinye ilizwe. Kwaye ukulungele ukuyilwela.โ Ngoko ke, thetha ngendlela oluya kujongeka ngayo olo hambo. Kwaye ucinga naphi na apho ubona lonto? Ngaba uye wakwazi ukuphumeza oko ngalo bhubhani? Ufuna ukubona ntoni kwelinye icala?
ARUNHATI UROY: Ewe, hayi, andizange. Kwaye kufuneka nditsho ukuba, uyazi, andizange - andiboni naliphi na ilinge, ngaphandle kokuba ngokucacileyo ngabantu kunye nabantu abanomdla. Kodwa ngaphandle kwaloo nto, ndiyabona nje, uyazi, iingcinga ezisindwa kukulinganiselwa kwazo, ukungakwazi kwabo ukucinga ngaphandle kwento ebesiyiyo-into abantu abamiselwe ukuba bayikholelwe yile nto ifunwa ngumoya womntu okanye ifunayo, ilungiselelwe ukukholelwa into ocinga ngayo njengolonwabo kwiintengiso ozibona kumabonakude. Ke, hayi, andiyiboni loo nto. Nangona umntu ebhale iminyaka kunye neminyaka malunga nokuba kukho uluntu kunye nabantu ekufanele baxhaswe kwaye balwelwe, abaneengcamango ezahlukileyo, kodwa babekwa kwinqanaba, kunjalo, uyazi? Naxa ujonga yonke ingxoxo malunga nokutshintsha kwemozulu, ubona nje abantu bekwazi ukuthetha okuthile kwigumbi lesemina okanye kwinkomfa okanye kwiqonga lamazwe ngamazwe ukuba lisebenze, kwaye kwaloo mntu mnye uyabuya, kwaye ubone ukuba akukho nto itshintshileyo. Awuboni nto enye, akukho projekthi enye, akukho mbono uphela, kuba, oh, kuya kuthetha ukugawulwa kwamahlathi, okanye kuya kuthetha ukufa kwalo mlambo, okanye kuya kuthetha lo mhlaba, lo mhlaba weentaba, iza kutshatyalaliswa. Hayi, izakuqhubeka.
I-NEMEEN I-SHAIKH: IArundhati, enye yezona mpendulo zinxunguphalisayo kulo bhubhani ibe kukungalingani okungaqhelekanga ekufikeleleni kwizitofu zokugonya. Ngaba unokuthetha ngale nto kwimeko engeyiyo yaseIndiya kuphela, kodwa kwihlabathi elisaphuhlayo, ngokubanzi?
ARUNHATI UROY: Kulungile, akunjalo nje buhlungu? Uyazi, uyabona ukuba kumazwe anje nge-US okanye kumazwe amaninzi aseYurophu, abantu bakhona - uyazi, abantu abangalufuniyo isitofu sokugonya bayaqhankqalaza, kwaye kukho isitofu sokugonya esithe gqolo nje. Kwaye kumazwe ahlwempuzekileyo, eso sitofu sokugonya asifumaneki.
E-Indiya, unemeko engaqhelekanga kakhulu apho phantse lonke ukuveliswa kwesitofu sokugonya kunikezelwe kwinkampani enye. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba i-Indiya izimisele ukwenza izitofu zokugonya kumazwe angama-92, ngelixa apha, ewe, ngoJuni, ngelixa abantu besixeko endihlala kuso babesifa ezitratweni, betshiswa kwipavumente, apho bekungcwatywa khona. Amabala nemilambo yayizele zizidumbu, yaye abantu babengagonywanga. Bekungekho nasiphi na isitofu. Ngoku isinye kwisithathu, kuphela kwisithathu, kubemi baseIndiya abaye bagonywa ngokupheleleyo. Kodwa sineemali ezinkulu. Ngapha koko, kwakamsinya nje emva kwehlobo eloyikekayo lesambuku esasinalo, apho abantu babesifa emakhayeni abo, abantu babeyilangazelela ioksijini, abantu ababeyicelile kwi-Twitter babanjwa, uyazi, bebonisa isizwe ngendlela embi. . Kwaye kanye njengoko imililo yayiphantse yasweleka kwindawo yokutshiswa kwezidumbu, xa abantu abaninzi benyuka besithi, "Enkosi Modiji ngesitofu sokugonya sasimahla," kodwa, eneneni, sasinenkqubo ehlanganisiweyo yamaxabiso ogonyo. Ngoko ke, ezinye zikhululekile, ezinye azikho. Kwaye ngelixa urhulumente ezibophelele ekuboneleleni la mazwe amanye ngeebhiliyoni zeedosi, eIndiya, abahluphekayo basalindile.
I-NEMEEN I-SHAIKH: Kwaye, Arundhati, uyazi, sinemizuzu embalwa nje. Siyazi ukuba unemizuzu embalwa nje.
ARUNHATI UROY: Ewe.
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ARUNHATI UROY: Yenzelwe indawo yokuphefumla, icylinder yeoksijini emhlabeni, eluhlobo lokufa ngokomfuziselo. Covid iminyaka emininzi. Ibiyindawo apho unokuqiniseka ukuba uya kudibana neenyani, ngobukrelekrele nangenkalipho.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Umbhali obalaseleyo uArundhati Roy, ethetha nathi ekwikhaya lakhe eNew Delhi, eIndiya.
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