Abasekeli be-Green New Deal bethula uhambo lwezwe lonke ngoLwesine lokwakha ukwesekwa kwesinqumo sekhongolose sokuguqula umnotho wase-US ngokusebenzisa uxhaso lwamandla avuselelekayo kuyilapho kuqedwa ukukhishwa kwe-carbon dioxide yase-US ngo-2030. Intando Yeningi Manje! ukhulume noNoam Chomsky mayelana Nesivumelwano Esisha Esihlaza kanye nezifundo ze-New Deal endala e-Boston ngesonto eledlule.
AMY U-GOODMAN: Lokhu Intando yeningi Manje! Ngingu-Amy Goodman, no-Nermeen Shaikh. Siphetha uhlelo lwanamuhla ngesazi solimi esidume umhlaba wonke, umphikisi wezepolitiki uNoam Chomsky. Ngikhulume naye ngesonto eledlule e-Old South Church eBoston. Maduze, sizozwa u-Noam Chomsky ekhuluma ngokugxambukela kweRussia okhethweni lwango-2016 nokuthi umbiko ka-Mueller watholani waphinde wakuthola nini, okukhishwa namuhla. Kodwa okokuqala, ngacela uNoam Chomsky ukuthi akhulume ngeDili Elisha Elihlaza kanye nezifundo zeDili Elisha endala.
NOAM I-CHOMSKY: Okokuqala, ngicabanga ukuthi i-Green New Deal ingumbono olungile. Ungaphakamisa imibuzo mayelana nefomu elithile u-Ocasio-Cortez noMarkey abethule ngalo: Mhlawumbe akufanele kube ngale ndlela ncamashi; kufanele kuhluke kancane. Kodwa umqondo ojwayelekile ulungile impela. Futhi kunomsebenzi oqinile ochazayo, othuthukayo ngokuningiliziwe, ukuthi ungasebenza kanjani. Ngakho-ke, isazi sezomnotho esihle kwa-UMass Amherst, uRobert Pollin, sibhale kabanzi, ngemininingwane ebanzi, ngokuhlaziya okuseduze kokuthi ungasebenzisa kanjani izinqubomgomo zalolu hlobo ngendlela ephumelela kakhulu, engenza umphakathi ongcono. Bekungeke kube ukuthi uzolahlekelwa yikho; ungazuza kukho. Izindleko zamandla avuselelekayo zehla kakhulu. Uma ususa uxhaso olukhulu olunikezwa kumafutha ezinto ezimbiwa phansi, cishe seluvele luyadlula. Ziningi izindlela ezingasetshenziswa futhi zenziwe ukuze kunqotshwe, ngokuqinisekile ukunciphisa, mhlawumbe ukunqoba, le nkinga enkulu. Ngakho-ke umqondo oyisisekelo, ngicabanga, uvikeleke ngokuphelele-empeleni, ubalulekile. Izinkulumo eziningi zemithombo yezindaba ezihlekisa ngalokhu nalokhuya hlangothi lwakho empeleni ziseceleni kwephuzu. Ungashintsha amadethi ukusuka ku-2030 kuya ku-2040, ungenza okunye ukukhohlisa, kepha umbono oyisisekelo ulungile.
Awu, uyini umehluko kusukela kuma-1930s? Izinto eziningana. Into eyodwa ehlukile isenzo esikhulu sabasebenzi. Iminyaka yawo-1930 kwakuyinkathi yenhlangano ye I-CIO. Ngawo-1920, inhlangano yezabasebenzi yase-US yayicishe yabhujiswa. Khumbula, lona umphakathi ophethwe amabhizinisi. Umlando wezabasebenzi waseMelika unodlame kakhulu, awufani neze namazwe afanayo. Futhi ngawo-1920, umbutho wabasebenzi ophumelelayo, ogcwele impi wawuchotshozwe kakhulu. Omunye wemisebenzi emikhulu yomlando wezabasebenzi, kaDavid Montgomery, omunye wosomlando abakhulu wezabasebenzi, ubizwa ngokuthi. Ukuvuka nokuwa kwe-American Labor Movement [Ukuwa kweNdlu Yezabasebenzi: Indawo Yokusebenzela, Umbuso, kanye Nezenzo Zabasebenzi BaseMelika, 1865-1925]. Wayekhuluma ngeminyaka yawo-1920, lapho empeleni yayicekelwe phansi. Ngawo-1930, yavuselelwa. Ivuselelwe ngemisebenzi emikhulu yokuhlela. I I-CIO kwaqala ukuhlela. Izenzo zesiteleka bezinodlame. Baholele ezitelekeni zokuhlala. Isiteleka sokuhlala siwuphawu lwangempela lwesixwayiso kumakilasi ebhizinisi, ngoba kunesinyathelo esingaphezu kwesiteleka sokuhlala phansi. Isinyathelo esilandelayo ngale kwesiteleka sokuhlala phansi sithi: โAsiqale ifekthri ngokuyiqhuba sodwa. Asibadingi abaphathi. Singaziqhuba ngokwethu. Ngakho, balahle.โ kulungile? Lokho kuwuguquko lwangempela, uhlobo okufanele lwenzeke. Ababambe iqhaza ebhizinisini bazoba ngabanikazi balo futhi baliqhube bodwa, esikhundleni sokuba yizigqila zabanikazi abazimele abalawula izimpilo zabo. Futhi isiteleka sokuhlala phansi siyisinyathelo esingenalutho ukusuka kulokho. Lokho kwavusa ukwesaba kwangempela phakathi kwamakilasi obunikazi.
Okwesibili kwaba nokuphatha okunozwelo, okuyinto ebucayi kakhulu. Ubheka umlando wezenzo zabasebenzi emakhulwini eminyakaโkunencwadi enhle kakhulu kulokhu, ngenhlanhla, ka-Erik Loomis, ofundayoโinencwadi ebizwa ngokuthi. Umlando WaseMelika Ezitelekeni Eziyishumi, noma igama elifanayo [Umlando WaseMelika Ezitelekeni Eziyishumi], lapho egijima khona phakathi nezenzo zemilingo kusukela ekuqaleni kwekhulu le-19. Futhi uveza iphuzu elithakazelisayo. Uthi zonke izenzo eziyimpumelelo zabasebenzi okungenani zibe nokusekelwa buthule kuhulumeni. Uma uhulumeni kanye nezigaba zobunikazi behlangene esenzweni sabasebenzi esicindezelayo, bebelokhu bephumelela. kulungile? Ukubuka okubaluleke kakhulu. Futhi ngawo-1930, kwaba nokuphatha okunozwela, ngenxa yezizathu eziningi. Kodwa leyo nhlanganisela yezenzo zokulwaโkwakuyinkathi yezombangazwe ephilayo ngezindlela eziningiโfuthi ukuphatha okunozwela kwaholela eSivumelwaneni Esisha, esashintsha kakhulu izimpilo zabantu.
AMY U-GOODMAN: Ungabelana ngokuhlaziywa kwakho kukaMongameli Trump? Uphile komongameli abaningi. Sichazele uMongameli Trump futhi uhlole impendulo enkulu kuye.
NOAM I-CHOMSKY: Hhayi-ke, uTrump-uyazi, ngicabanga ukuthi kunezinkolelo eziningi mayelana noTrump. Uma ubheka i-Trump phenomenon, akumangazi kakhulu. Cabanga emuva eminyakeni eyi-10 noma engu-15 edlule kuma-primaries e-Republican Party, futhi ukhumbule okwenzeka ngesikhathi sama-primaries. Iprimary ngayinye, lapho ikhandidethi othile esukuma esisekelweni, ayengajwayelekile kangangokuthi ukusungulwa kweRiphabhulikhi kwazama ukuwachoboza futhi kwaphumelela ukukwenzaโMichele Bachmann, Herman Cain, Rick Santorum. Noma ubani owayephuma esizindeni wayengamukelekile neze ekusungulweni. Ushintsho ngo-2016 abakwazanga ukumchoboza.
Kodwa umbuzo othakazelisayo uwukuthi: Kungani lokhu kwenzeka? Kungani, okhethweni emva kokhetho, isisekelo sokuvota sakhiqiza umuntu ozongenela ukhetho okungabekezeleleki nhlobo ekusungulweni? Futhi impendulo yalokho ithi-uma ucabanga ngalokho, impendulo akunzima kakhulu ukuyithola. Phakathiโkusukela ngeminyaka yawo-1970, ngalesi sikhathi se-neoliberal, womabili amaqembu ezombusazwe ashintshele kwesokudla. Amademokhrasi, ngeminyaka yawo-1970, ayesesishiyile isigaba sabasebenzi. Ngiqonde ukuthi, ukukhala kokugcina kweziphakamiso zomthetho zeDemocratic Party eziqhubeka kancane noma eziqhubekayo kwaba uMthetho we-Humphrey-Hawkins Full Employment Act ngo-1978, uCarter awunisela amanzi ukuze ungabi namazinyo, uvele waba ngokuzithandela. Kodwa amaDemocrats ayebalahlile kakhulu isigaba sabasebenzi. Baba kahle kakhulu lokho okwakubizwa ngokuthi amaRiphabhulikhi amaphakathi. Ngaleso sikhathi, amaRiphabhulikhi ashintshe kuze kube manje kwesokudla kangangokuthi aphuma ngokuphelele ku-spectrum. Abahlaziyi ababili bezombusazwe abahamba phambili be-American Enterprise Institute, uThomas Mann, uNorman Ornstein, cishe eminyakeni emihlanu noma eyi-10 eyedlule, bachaza i-Republican Party njengalokho abakubiza ngokuthi โukuvukela umbuso okukhuluโ okushiye ipolitiki yasephalamende.
Nokho, kungani kwenzeka lokho? Kwenzeka ngoba amaRiphabhulikhi abhekene nenkinga enzima. Banesifunda esiyinhloko, isifunda sangempela: ingcebo eyeqisayo namandla ebhizinisi. Yilokho okufanele bamkhonze. Yisifunda sabo leso. Ngeke ukwazi ukuthola amavoti ngaleyo ndlela, ngakho kufanele wenze okunye ukuze uthole amavoti. Wenzani ukuze uthole amavoti? Lokhu kwaqalwa nguRichard Nixon ngesu laseNingizimu: zama ukucosha abacwasi eNingizimu. Maphakathi nawo-1970, u-Paul Weyrich, omunye wosomaqhinga baseRiphabhulikhi, wathola umbono omuhle kakhulu. AmaKhatholika aseNyakatho avotele iDemocratic Alliance, evamise ukuvota iDemocratic Alliance, iningi lawo elingabasebenzi. AmaRiphabhulikhi angalithatha lelo voti ngokwenza sengathiโokubalulekile, โukuzenzisaโโamelene nokukhipha isisu. Ngokuzenzisa okufanayo, babekwazi ukuthola ivoti lobuvangeli. Lawo ngamavoti amakhuluโabavangeli, amaKatolika asenyakatho. Phawula igama elithi โukuzenzisa.โ Ibalulekile. Ubuyela emuva ngeminyaka yawo-1960s, wonke umuntu ohamba phambili weRiphabhulikhi wayenamandla, lokhu esikubiza manje, i-pro-choice. Isikhundla se-Republican Party sasiโlokho kunguRonald Reagan, uGeorge HW Bush, bonke abaholiโisikhundla sabo sasiwukuthi: Ukukhipha isisu akusiwo umsebenzi kahulumeni; yibhizinisi elizimeleโuhulumeni akasho lutho ngakho. Bacishe bashaya indiva ukuzama ukucosha isisekelo sokuvota kulokho okubizwa ngezindaba zamasiko. Ngokufanayo namalungelo esibhamu. Amalungelo ezibhamu abe yindaba engcwele ngoba ungakwazi ukucosha ingxenye yabantu ngaleyo ndlela. Eqinisweni, abakwenzile ukuhlanganisa umfelandawonye wabavoti ngokusekelwe ezindabeni, ozaziyo, ezibekezelelwa ekusungulweni, kodwa abayithandi. kulungile? Futhi bafanele bakubambe lokho, lezozifunda ezimbili, ndawonye. Isizinda sangempela sengcebo namandla ezinkampani, sinakekelwa ngumthetho wangempela.
Ngakho-ke, uma ubheka umthetho ongaphansi kukaTrump, kuyizipho ezinhle nje zengcebo kanye nomkhakha wezinkampani-ibhili yentela, ukuhoxiswa komthetho, uyazi, zonke izimo. Lolo uhlobo lomsebenzi kaMitch McConnell noPaul Ryan, labo bafana. Basebenzela i-constituency yangempela. Khonamanjalo, uTrump kufanele agcine indawo yokuvota, enezikhundla ezicasulayo ngemuva kwesinye eziheha umkhakha othile wesisekelo sokuvota. Futhi ukwenza ngobuchule obukhulu. Njengokukhohlisa kwezepolitiki, kunekhono. Sebenzela abacebile nabanamandla, uvale wonke umuntu, kodwa uthole amavoti aboโakulona iqhinga elilula lelo. Futhi uyayithwala.
Futhi, kufanele ngisho, amaDemocrat ayamsiza. Kunjalo. Gxila ku-Russiagate. Kumayelana nani lokho? Ngisho ukuthi, bekusobala ekuqaleni ukuthi ngeke uthole lutho olubucayi mayelana nokugxambukela kweRussia okhethweni. Ngiqonde ukuthi, into eyodwa, ayibonakali. Ngisho ukuthi okhethweni lwango-2016, iSenethi kanye neNdlu kuhambe ngendlela efanayo nesigungu esiphezulu, kodwa akekho othi kukhona ukugxambukela kweRussia lapho. Eqinisweni, uyazi, ukugxambukela kweRussia okhethweni, uma bekukhona, bekukuncane kakhulu, kuncane kakhulu, ukusho, kunokuphazanyiswa, ukusho, u-Israyeli. U-Israel, undunankulu, uNetanyahu, uya kuCongress futhi akhulume neseshini ehlanganyelwe yeCongress, ngaphandle kokwazisa i-White House, ukuhlasela imigomo ka-Obama. Ngisho ukuthi lokho kuwukugxambukela okhethweni. Noma ngabe amaRussia azama ini, ngeke kube into enjalo. Futhi, empeleni, akukho ukuphazamiseka okhethweni oluqala ukuqhathaniswa noxhaso lwemikhankaso. Khumbula ukuthi uxhaso lomkhankaso lulodwa lukunikeza ukuqagela okuphezulu kakhulu komphumela wokhetho. Futhi, umsebenzi omkhulu kaTom Ferguson obonise lokhu ngendlela ekholisayo kakhulu. Lokho kuwukugxambukela okukhulu okhethweni. Noma yini okungenzeka ukuthi amaRussia ayenzile izoba, uyazi, amakinati uma kuqhathaniswa. Mayelana nokusebenzisana kukaTrump namaRussia, lokho bekungeke kube ngaphezu kwenkohlakalo encane, mhlawumbe ukwakha ihhotela likaTrump eRed Square noma into efana naleyo, kodwa akusho lutho.
Amademokhrasi atshale yonke into kulolu daba. Nokho, kwavela ukuthi akukho okuningi lapho. Banikeze uTrump isipho esikhulu. Eqinisweni, kungenzeka bamnikeze ukhetho olulandelayo. Lokho nje yiโleyo yindaba yokungazimisele kakhulu ukubhekana nezindaba ezimqoka, kangangokuthi bafuna okuthile ngasohlangothini okuzonika impumelelo yezombangazwe ngandlela thize. Izinkinga zangempela yizinto ezahlukene. Yizinto ezifana nokushintsha kwesimo sezulu, njengokufudumala kwembulunga yonke, njenge-Nuclear Posture Review, ukunqanyulwa komthetho. Lezi yizindaba zangempela. Kodwa amaDemocrat awalandeli labo. Bafuna enye intoโinhlangano yeDemokhrasi. Angikhulumi ngeqembu lentsha elifikayo, elihluke kakhulu. Konke lokho kufanele kugudluzwe ngokuphawulekayo, uma kuzoba khona ukuphikiswa okusemthethweni kwezepolitiki nokukhukhuleka okwenzekayo. Futhi kungenzeka, kungenzeka nakanjani, kodwa kuzothatha umsebenzi.
AMY U-GOODMAN: Isazi solimi esidume umhlaba wonke futhi esiphikisana nepolitiki uNoam Chomsky, ekhuluma e-Old South Church eBoston ngoLwesine olwedlule ebusuku. Iya ku-democracynow.org ukuze ubone okwengeziwe ngengxoxo futhi ubone inkulumo yakhe. Ungaya ku-democracynow.org ukuthola ama-podcast ethu alalelwayo namavidiyo, kanye nemibhalo yayo yonke imibukiso yethu.
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