U-JUAN GONZALEZ: Siphetha uhlelo lwanamuhla ngomlingisi owine i-Academy Award, umqondisi nombhali u-Tim Robbins. U-Tim ubambe iqhaza ekukhiqizweni okusha komdlalo ohlonishwayo kababa uDaniel Berrigan Ukuqulwa kwecala leCatonsville Nine.

Umdlalo ugxile ezenzakalweni zangoMeyi 17, 1968, lapho izishoshovu zokuthula ezingamaKhatholika eziyisishiyagalolunye, okuhlanganisa noFata Daniel Berrigan nomfowabo, ongasekho uFata uPhilip Berrigan, bengena ebhodini lokusalungiswa eCatonsville, eMaryland, bakhipha amafayela abhalwe phansi ezinsizwa ezaziyiziboshwa. esezothunyelwa eVietnam. Bawakhiphela ngaphandle lawo mafayela bawashisa nge-napalm yokuzenzela. Baboshwa futhi, ecaleni elisakazwa kakhulu elashukumisa inhlangano emelene nempi, bagwetshwa ejele.

Ecaleni lakhe, ubaba uDaniel Berrigan wathi, "Siyaxolisa bangane abahle ngokuphuka kokuhleleka okuhle, ukushiswa kwephepha esikhundleni sezingane."

U-AMY GOODMAN: Ukukhiqizwa okuhlonishwayo komdlalo kaBerrigan okhiqizwe yi-Actors' Gang kuvulwa namhlanje kusihlwa e-Los Angeles ngaphambi kokuthatha uhambo lwezwe lonke nolwamazwe ngamazwe.

Sijoyinwe maduzane ngu-Tim Robbins, umqondisi wezobuciko weQembu Labalingisi. Kodwa okokuqala sifuna ukuya kwingcaphuno evela ku-trailer yemvuselelo yeqembu le-Actors ' Ukuqulwa kwecala leCatonsville Nine.

IJAJI: Isenzo Sobugebengu No. 28111, I-United States of America ngokumelene noDaniel Berrigan. Uzincengela kanjani?

UBABA DANIEL BERIGAN: Awunacala.

IJAJI: UPhilip Berrigan?

UBABA PHILIP BERRIGAN: Awunacala.

IJAJI: UDavid Darst?

UDAVIDE DARST: Awunacala.

IJAJI: UJohn Hogan?

UJOHN HOGAN: Awunacala.

IJAJI: UThomas Lewis?

UTHOMASI LEWIS: Awunacala.

IJAJI: UMarjorie Melville?

MARJORIE MELVILLE: Awunacala.

IJAJI: UThomas Melville?

THOMAS MELVILLE: Awunacala.

IJAJI: UGeorge Mische?

UGEORGE MISCHE: Awunacala.

IJAJI: UMary Moylan?

UMARY MOYLAN: Awunacala.

UBABA PHILIP BERRIGAN: Sathatha igazi lethu—uMfundisi uMngel, uDave Eberhart, uTom Lewis kanye nami. Sazama ukugcoba lawa mafayela ngophawu lobuKristu lokuphila nobumsulwa, okuyigazi, ukuze sibonise ukwethuka kwethu ngokuchithwa kwegazi eVietnam—igazi laseMelika nelaseVietnam.

MARJORIE MELVILLE: Kufika isikhashana lapho unquma ukuthi ezinye izinto akufanele zibe. Futhi kufanele uthathe isinyathelo ukuze uzame ukumisa lezo zinto.

IJAJI: Kodwa kumele ube necala elingangeniswa enkantolo.

UGEORGE MISCHE: Kodwa kumele wephule umthetho kuqala. Ngibona sengathi ukuze udaba lwakho luqulwe phambi kwejaji, kufanele wephule umthetho.

IJAJI: Ngivumelana nawe ngokuphelele, njengomuntu. Ngeke sikwazi ukufeza lokho esingathanda ukukufeza, noma ukunikeza abantu impilo engcono, uma sizoqhubeka nokuchitha imali eningi kangaka empini. Kodwa kuyishwa elikhulu ukuthi indaba yempi ngeke yethulwe ngendlela ongathanda ngayo.

U-JUAN GONZALEZ: Ukukhiqizwa kwe-Actors 'Gang kaDaniel Berrigan Ukuqulwa kwecala leCatonsville Nine, kuvulwa namhlanje ebusuku e-Los Angeles.

U-Tim Robbins ungumqondisi wezobuciko we-Actors' Gang kanye nomlingisi owine i-Academy Award, umqondisi, umdidiyeli nombhali. Uthole indondo ye-Oscar ngeqhaza lakhe I-Mystic River futhi waziwa kakhulu ngezindima zakhe kumafilimu amaningi kule minyaka engamashumi amabili edlule, okuhlanganisa The Shawshank Redemption, Umdlali, Inkunzi Durham futhi Bob Roberts. Imisebenzi yakhe yokuqondisa eyaziwa kakhulu ihlanganisa nokuwina imiklomelo UCradle Will Rock futhi Dead Man Walking.

U-AMY GOODMAN: NgoLwesithathu, mina no-Anjali Kamat sikhulume no-Tim Robbins esitudiyo se-firehouse. Sambuza ngeCatonsville Nine.

U-TIM ROBBINS: Indoda eyayenza ekuqaleni, uGordon Davidson e-Los Angeles, ubengumngane weqembu le-Actors' Genge isikhathi eside. Futhi sasenza inzuzo cishe eminyakeni emithathu edlule, futhi sanquma, kuhle, asifunde lowo mdlalo. Futhi sahlanganisa inqwaba yabalingisi futhi sayifunda. Futhi sathinteka kakhulu ngakho, futhi izethameli zathinteka kakhulu ngakho, saqonda nje ukuthi inamandla kangakanani namuhla nokuthi imibuzo ebiyibuza ibaluleke kangakanani, ihambisana kakhulu nemibuzo okufanele siyibuze namuhla.

U-AMY GOODMAN: Sitshele okwengeziwe ngayo. Ngiqonde ukuthi, sike saba noDaniel Berrigan. Sike saba noPhil Berrigan. Sikhulume nenani labantu abenze izenzo ze-Plowshares. Kodwa empeleni kwenzekani?

U-TIM ROBBINS: Izishoshovu ezingu-350 zamaKatolika—uBaba uDaniel Berrigan, umfowabo uPhilip Berrigan nabanye abayisikhombisa—zangena ebhodini lokubuthela abantu empini, eCatonsville, eMaryland, zashisa amarekhodi ohlaka angaba ngu-XNUMX, zawahudulela ngaphandle futhi zawashisa nge-napalm yokuzenzela njengesenzo sokuphikisa iVietnam. Impi.

Kwase kuyiminyaka, besebenza izinhloso ezehlukene, bebhala amakhongolose, behlangana namakhongolose, behlangana namajaji, behlangana nezikhulu zikahulumeni, bezama ukuhamba ngendlela—okwaziyo, lapho wonke umuntu ekutshela, uyazi, akufanele benza ukungalaleli komphakathi, bathi, “Ngani? Kungani ungavele ubhale incwadi?” Nokho, kwase kuyiminyaka neminyaka neminyaka, futhi benza konke okusemandleni abo ukuletha ukunakekela empini yaseVietnam. Kodwa abakubonayo ukuthi kwakumele baphule umthetho ukuze baveze izindaba ezinkulu zokuziphatha esithangamini somphakathi.

Ngakho-ke, baqonda ngokuyisisekelo ukuthi babezoboshwa lapho bekwenza. Balinda ukuthi kufike amaphoyisa, balinda ukuthi kuqulwe icala. Futhi lapho kwenzeka umkhondo, waba impikiswano enkulu kakhulu futhi yasakazekela ezweni lonke, futhi lemibuzo yokuziphatha eyayibuzwa lamaKatolika yaba ingxenye yengxoxo yesizwe.

ANJALI KAMAT: Tim Robbins, ake sibuyele emuva eminyakeni engamashumi amane nanye esikhathini sokushiswa kwamafayela asalungiswa. Lezi zithombe ezigciniwe zivela kudokhumentari ka-2001 mayelana nomcimbi ka-Lynne Sachs ebizwa Uphenyo Lwelangabi.

UBABA DANIEL BERIGAN: Sonke siyingxenye yalokhu.

UGEORGE MISCHE: Kwangathi lo mlayezo ongokomfanekiso ungaletha ekhaya kubantu baseMelika ukuthi ngenkathi abantu baseMelika-ngenkathi abantu emhlabeni wonke, futhi ikakhulukazi iVietnam manje, behlushwa i-napalm, ukuthi lawa mafayela nawo afakwe napalm, ukukhombisa ukuthi lezi zimpilo zingawela esiphethweni esifanayo neso IsiVietnamese.

UBABA DANIEL BERIGAN: Amen. Sicabanga futhi ngalabo abaxoxisana eParis, futhi siyacela, ngalesi senzo, ukuthi bathathe umsebenzi wabo ngokungathi sína, ikakhulukazi abaseMelika, futhi baqonde ukuthi abantu baseMelika bayakwazi ukungena engozini egameni lobulungiswa, egameni labafileyo. .

THOMAS MELVILLE: Asigcini nje ngokubulala abantu ngezimpi ezinodlame, kodwa futhi siyababulala ngokunwetshwa kombuso wethu wezomnotho nezepolitiki. Masikhulekele futhi bonke labo bantu ababulawa indlala nendlala emhlabeni wonke ukuze abantu baseMelika babe nezinga eliphakeme lokuphila.

U-AMY GOODMAN: Ingcaphuno evela Uphenyo Lwelangabi, kodwa lokho kuwumfanekiso wangempela ogciniwe, njengoba abakwaBerrigans nezinye izishoshovu zePlowshares bashise amakhadi asalungiswa nge-napalm. Sekuyiminyaka engamashumi amane nanye kamuva. Iqembu Labalingisi, libuyela emuva eminyakeni engamashumi amane nanye kulokhu. Khuluma ngesimo sezulu sanamuhla kanye nesimo sezulu ngaleso sikhathi.

U-TIM ROBBINS: Nokho, kwakunokuningi okwakusengcupheni kubantu abengeziwe emuva ngo-1968 ngenxa yohlaka. Manje sinesimo lapho iphesenti elilodwa kuphela labantu limelelwe empini, ngakho-ke sinokuthambekela-futhi ngicabanga ukuthi lokhu kwakuyingxenye yomklamo wayo yonke into, kwakuwukuthi-sinomkhuba wokungacabangi lokhu. Futhi ngokuqinisekile asisakuboni okuningi kwabezindaba, futhi asikuboni neze ukuvezwa kwezindaba zomakadebona—abantu abafika ekhaya nalokho abakudingayo kanye nemisebenzi abayidingayo kanye nomthethosivivinywa wezemfundo okufanele ngabe usudlulile, abanye. uhlobo lomthethosivivinywa we-GI okufanele uqinisekise imfundo kubo bonke omakadebona ababuyayo. Zonke lezi zindaba zibukeka zishanela phansi namuhla.

Futhi bashanelwa ngaphansi kombhoxo ngaleso sikhathi, futhi, kodwa kwakukhona uhlobo olusha lwesishoshovu ngaleso sikhathi, futhi abakwazanga ukunakwa hhayi ngemidlalo yaseshashalazini yokudala kuphela, njengo-Abbie Hoffman, kodwa futhi nokuziphatha okuqondile, njenge Ama-Berrigans. Konke lokhu kwakwenzeka ngesikhathi esifanayo.

Icala lenzeke ngemva nje kweNgqungquthela yeDemocratic Alliance ehlobo lika-'68, ngakho-ke ukuqulwa kwecala kwenzeka ngo-Okthoba, Novemba ka-'68. Ngakho-ke lokhu kwakuvela kulobo budlwangudlwangu kanye nodlame kanye naleyo siphithiphithi eChicago ebekwe phezu kwababhikishi ngamaphoyisa. Kodwa lona kwakuwumbuzo onzima kakhulu kwabanye abantu baseMidwest kanye nabantu abasadla ngoludala e-United States, ngoba—kungumbuzo onzima kakhulu ngoba kwakukhona abapristi ababili, futhi kwakuyisixuku sezishoshovu zenkolo. Futhi lokhu kwabadida kakhulu abantu abaningi, futhi kwavula amehlo abantu abaningi okungenzeka—amehlo abo okungenzeka ukuthi awavulwanga ngu-Abbie Hoffman noJerry Rubin.

U-AMY GOODMAN: Omunye wabasekeli abakhulu, abasekeli baseHollywood, amaBerrigans ubelokhu enguMartin Sheen, naye ongumKatolika naye oboshiwe. Ngicabanga ukuthi akanaso isiqiniseko sokuthi uboshiwe iminyaka eminingi kunaleyo ayiphilayo, kodwa ngake ngamlandela embhikishweni eLos Alamos eNew Mexico. Kungenzeka ukuthi lesi kwakuyisikhathi samashumi ayisithupha nento-th eboshiwe. Futhi wayenza Uphiko lwaseNtshonalanga ngaleso sikhathi. Wayengumongameli wase-United States ngo Uphiko lwaseNtshonalanga. Futhi lapho eqa umugqa, wathi, “Ngisebenzela i-NBC ukuze ngiziphilise. Ngenza lokhu ukuze ngiqhubeke ngiphila.” Wase weqa umugqa, waboshwa.

Ngakho-ke, kulolu daba lobudlelwano beHollywood nezimpi zaseMelika, ngangifuna ukuphendukela kungcaphuno yengxoxo enganginayo noMartin Sheen. Ngakhuluma naye emngcwabeni kaBaba uPhilip Berrigan e-Baltimore—lokhu kwakungoZibandlela wezi-2002—ngambuza ngokuphikisa kweHollywood ukulwa nempi.

UMARTIN SHEEN: Kunokuzithoba, uyazi, futhi akunandaba nezwe kakhulu. Ayihlangene, nganoma iyiphi indlela. Uyazi, iningi lethu, uyazi, lisaba ngokungananazi ukuntula izwe uma sizwakalisa okuthile ngaphandle kombono ovamile mayelana nokushisekela izwe, ngokweseka uhulumeni, mayelana nokweseka lo mbuso. Kodwa ngicabanga ukuthi kuyakhula manje. Kukhona abantu abaningi abaphikisana nempi yase-Iraq, ikakhulukazi, bayibona njengento engeyona into enhle eMelika futhi akuyona into enhle e-Iraq. Kodwa okwamanje ayikahlanganiswa, futhi ayicacile, futhi ayifuni ngaphezu kwanoma yini enye.

U-AMY GOODMAN: Umlingisi uMartin Sheen, ekhuluma emigwaqweni yaseBaltimore njengomngcwabo kaPhil Berrigan, owayekade enguBaba, wabe eseshada noLiz McAllister futhi waba nezingane ezintathu futhi ehlala eJonah House. UMartin Sheen, ehamba emigwaqweni kulo mngcwabo, ekhuluma ngeHollywood.

Thim, usunesikhathi eside ukhuluma. Khuluma ngeHollywood nepolitiki.

U-TIM ROBBINS: Ngihlala eNew York. Ngakho ngicabanga ukuthi kunesizathu salokho. Kodwa iQembu Labalingisi empeleni liphumile eLos Angeles eduze—eCulver City, eduze kwaseHollywood. Angikwazi ukucabanga—uyazi, noma nini lapho ngikhuluma ngeHollywood, ngokuvamile, kuwuhlobo oluthile—kunzima ukukusho. Kunamaqembu amaningi ahlukene eHollywood. Kunezinhlobo eziningi kakhulu zabantu. Kunabantu abanepolitiki kakhulu. Kunabantu—obaziyo, abanganaki kangako, abanaka kakhulu izicathulo nezitayela zezinwele kanye nomagazini ohlebayo.

Ngokuqondene nohlangothi oluqhubekayo, lwalusabisa, njengoba uMartin ayesho. Kwakusabisa ngo-2002, 2003. Kwakunzima ngaleso sikhathi ukukhuluma. Kodwa wonke umuntu wayengakwenza. Futhi bengilokhu ngiphikisa ngokuthi yonke inhloso yokuphila emphakathini okhululekile uwukusebenzisa inkululeko lapho kunzima ukuzivocavoca, hhayi lapho kulula. Ngakho-ke, inkululeko yokukhuluma iyinto engafanele lutho uma siyisebenzisa kuphela uma Kulungile, uma kufaneleka.

Ngakho-ke, ngaleso sikhathi, abambalwa bethu—uSusan Sarandon, mina uqobo, uSean Penn—sakhuluma ngokumelene naleyo mpi futhi sagxekwa ngokuthi singamambuka nabalandeli bakaSaddam. Futhi, empeleni, konke ebesikusho ukuthi, kunikeze isikhathi esengeziwe. Ake sithole lezi zikhali zokucekela phansi. Futhi sasiphathwa njengezinhlanya kwabezindaba. Futhi-ke, yebo, lokho kuthumela umyalezo kuyo yonke iHollywood. Lokho kuthumela umlayezo ezweni lonke: uyazi, kungcono uqaphele futhi uvale umlomo, uyazi?

Kodwa iphuzu liwukuthi, futhi ngicabanga ukuthi uMartin ukhuluma ngani, futhi ngokuqinisekile indlela abakwaBerrigans ababephila ngayo ukuphila kwabo, ukuthi iqiniso liyinto ebaluleke kakhulu. Iqiniso yilokho okubalulekile. Ngokuhamba kwesikhathi, uma ulazi iqiniso futhi ungalikhulumi, uzifaka engozini kakhulu kunanoma yini engase igodlwe kuwe uma ukhuluma ngesikhathi sobunzima. Lokho, kimina, okuchaza umuntu, yilokho azimisele ukukwenza kanye nalokho azimisele ukukubeka engozini ukuze akhulume iqiniso.

U-AMY GOODMAN: Umlingisi owine i-Academy Award u-Tim Robbins. Ukuqulwa kwecala leCatonsville Nine izoqala namuhla kusihlwa, ngoLwesine, iphele ngempelasonto, iculwe yiQembu Labalingisi e-Ivy Substation eLos Angeles. Bese kuthi ngoSepthemba 7 kuya ku-9, bazobe becula eNyuvesi yaseRichmond eVirginia. Bese kuthi-ke, kuze kube uSepthemba 14 kuya ku-17, bazobe becula eNyuvesi yaseMaryland eCollege Park. Ukuze uthole imininingwane eyengeziwe njengoba bedlulela e-Australia bese beya ePennsylvania, ungaya kuwebhusayithi actorsgang.org

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