Kwisavenge samva nje se-"Scheer Intelligence," uJeff Cohen ubeka uluhlu lwezihloko, kubandakanywa iintsilelo ezininzi zoshicilelo lwethu lwezopolitiko kunye nonyulo lweBlue Wave olwalungahambi kakuhle, kunye nekamva lentshukumo yenkqubela phambili. Nokuba zingaphi na izihlalo zenkongolo ephela zijikile, uphikisa ngelithi, iDemocratic Party ayinakufane itshintshe indlela ide ithathe indawo yobunkokeli bayo: โInamatyala kakhulu kudidi lwabaxhasi. Ngoko bathetha ngodaka emlonyeni. 'Sifanele sifikeleleke ngakumbi kwizindlu ezifikelelekayo'โhayi! Yintoni eyaziwayo yi-'Medicare kubo bonke.' โ
URobert Scheer: Molo, lo nguRobert Scheer nolunye uhlelo lweScheer Intelligence, apho ndikhawulezisa ukongeza ubukrelekrele buvela kwiindwendwe zam. Kule meko, nguJeff Cohen. Ndicinga ukuba bendikubone mva nje ukwiNgqungquthela yeDemokhrasi ePhiladelphia, kwaye ubulungiselela uhlobo lomsebenzi wengca. Ewe ndikwazile iminyaka, wenaโkudala phaya ngeminyaka yoo-1980 waqalisa iqela elibizwa ngokuba NGU-FAIR, Ubulungisa nokuchaneka ekuNikeni iNgxelo, omnye wemibutho ephambili yokubukela kumajelo eendaba. Kwaye kutsha nje, ngo-2011, niququzelele i-RootsAction.org, kwaye esi sisigidi sisebenzayo esinesiqingatha sabantu abanokuthi baqhubele phambili izinto. Kodwa isizathu sokuba ndifune ukuthetha nawe kukuba, ndiqhuba udliwano-ndlebe nawe kusuku olusemva konyulo lwaphakathi enyakeni, apha e-USC kwisikolo sase-Annenberg soNxibelelwano nobuntatheli. Sasinomsebenzi omninzi esikolweni, izikrini ezininzi zihamba ubusuku bonke. Emva koko wonke umntu wavuka ngale ntsasa kwaye engaqinisekanga ncamโngokuqinisekileyo kwakungekho iliza eliluhlaza, kodwa kwakukho impembelelo eluhlaza; ufumana iNdlu. Kwaye njengoko ndisitsho, ukugqibela kwam ukukubona, yayilixesha elinethemba ngakumbi, ngandlela thile, kwinkqubela phambili, kodwa umsinga wawuguquka ngaphakathi kweDemocratic Party. Ke ngoko ndibuyisele kwindibano yasePhiladelphia, kwaye ubungumBernieite?
UJeff Cohen: Ndandisisithethi seBernie Delegates Network, eyayiliqela elizimeleyoโelalimele kwaye linxibelelanisa uninzi lwabathunywa baseBernie; yayizimele kwiphulo. Ngaba sasinethemba elingakumbi? Ewe sasinjalo. Kuba nangona bekukho ukuphoxeka kukaBernie engakufumani ukutyunjwa kunye nokuphumelela komatshini kaClinton, bekukho umbono okomzuzwana wokuba uHillary Clinton, omele iziko leshishini, okanye iinkululeko zeshishini, uya kuba ngumongameli. Iphiko lasekunene liya kwahlulwa ngokupheleleyo kwaye liphazamisekile, ngenxa yokuba uTrump wayethathile, kwaye ukuba babelahlekile kwaye balahlekelwe kakhulu babeya kulwa bodwa. Kwaye bekuya kubakho olu luqilima, lulungelelanisiweyo lwasekhohlo lutyhala ku-Hillary ngelixa ilungelo likwisiphithiphithi. Leyo yayiyimeko eyayibonakala inokwenzeka ngehlobo lika-2016. Kodwa into esiyifundileyo phezolo, kunye nento esiyifundileyo emva koko, kukuba awukwazi ukubetha iTump ngaphandle kwento. Awungekhe ubethe uTrump ngokuthi nje, "I-Trump's ogre." Kufuneka ube nenkqubo; kufuneka ube nenkqubo evuyisa abantu. Kufuneka ube nenkqubo evuyisa isiseko sakho, esingabantu abatsha, abantu bebala, kwaye ithengiswa kwabamhlophe abasebenzayo. Kwaye uBernie Sanders wayenaloo nkqubo; Ndisandula ukugqibezela umboniso apho siye sadlan' indlebe nabasebenzi bemanyano yabasebenzi, ababesakuba ngabasebenzi bombutho eYoungstown, eOhio. Uvotelwe u-Obama kabini, wavotela uBernie ngaphezulu kukaHillary kwiprimary ka-2016, emva koko wavotela uTrump. Kwaye baninzi abo bantu. Ke, yintoni ephoxayo malunga nobusuku obudlulileyo-kwaye uthi, ibiliza eliluhlaza; yayifana nethontsi ezuba, okanye iblue ripple. Bekufanele ukuba ibiliza eliluhlaza, kodwa ekuphela kwendlela onokuba namaza aluhlaza kukuba itheko limele into ethile. Kwaye iqela kufuneka limele i-ajenda yenkqubela phambili eya kukwazi ukwenza umfelandawonye weentlanga ezininzi ezinokuphumelela unyulo, kwizithili ezikumgangatho ophakathi, kwizithili zabasebenzi. Asinayo loo nto, ngenxa yobunkokeli beqela leDemocratic Party. Ityala kakhulu kwiklasi yabanikezeli. Ngoko bathetha ngemilomo yabo: โSifanele sibe nendawo engakumbi yokufumana izindlu ezifikelelekayoโโhayi! Yintoni eyaziwayo yi-Medicare-for-all. I-poll yakutshanje ye-Pew ibonise ukuba i-51 pesenti yabantu baseRiphabhlikhi ye-Medicare-for-all. Imfundo yasimahla, yekholeji yoluntu, kwaye uyihlawule ngerhafu yentengiselwano kwiWall Street. I-ajenda yasekhaya eqhubekayo-kwaye ndibhale ingxelo malunga noku nabanye abantu abavela kwi-RootsAction-ithandwa kakhulu, kungekhona nje ngenkqubela! Iyathandwa ngabantu kulo lonke ilizwe. Kodwa iiDemokhrasi aziyibeki le ajenda phambili, kwaye yiyo loo nto siye saneqhinga endaweni yamaza.
RS: KULUNGILE. Kodwa mandibuze nje, ndibuyele kwi basics apha. Kwaye ndifuna ukuseka iziqinisekiso zakho apha.
JC: Kulungile.
RS: Kuba ubuphandle-kwaye mandithethe into malunga ne-FAIR, kwaye zisekhona kwaye zisenza okulungileyo--
JC: FAIR.org.
RS: Ewe. Kwaye ubungunjingalwazi wezobuntatheli kwiKholeji yase-Ithaca, kwaye ndicinga ukuba ndidibene nawe ngolo hlobo, kuba undinike ibhaso ngexesha elinye, ibhaso le-IF Stoneโ
JC: Imbasa yeIzzy.
RS: IMbasa yeIzzy. Kwaye kubantu abamamelayo abangakhumbuliyo ukuba wayengubani u-Izzy-baya kwizikolo zobuntatheli, njengoko ndisitsho, silapha e-Annenberg, sinabo abafundi abayaziyo i-Izzy; phezulu eBerkeley bayayenza, e-Columbia Journalism bayayenza. Kwaye wayeyintatheli edumileyo, kwaye wayengumaverick; wayezimele. Yaye wayevakalelwa kukuba, asingabo bonke oorhulumente abaxokayo kuphelaโingxelo edume ngokuba yeyayeโkodwa wayevakalelwa kukuba bonke abezobupolitika bayaxoka, yaye umsebenzi wakhe yayikukuyiphelisa yonke loo nto. Ngoku, ndadibana nawe ngelixa wawusenza loo nto; ubuninzi kwi-MSNBC, ubuninzi nohlobo lwe-euphoria yenkululeko, usenza okuninzi-ndihlala ndikujongile kwiscreen. Kwaye ungumntu oqaqambileyo, onethemba; ngoku, nokuba, unayo-
JC: Ndisisithethi.
RS: Hayi, kodwa nawe unoncumo oluhle ebusweni bakho. Ke ndiyakuvuma kuwe, njengombingeleli wam. Ndibe nokusabela okungaqhelekanga ngale ntsasa emva, uyazi, unyulo lwaphakathi enyakeni. Kuba ndibukele uDonald Trump, kwaye nantoni na oyithethayo ngoDonald Trump, weza namandla kunye nemvakalelo kwimeko. Ngoku, uyazi, wayefumene iindaba ezimnandi, iindaba ezimbi-uyazi, ngandlela ithile bekukho, kwakhona njengoko ucebisa, inkqubo. Wayeza kuhambela phambili. Kwaye ke ngoku ndijonge kwizikrini, kwaye uye wagxotha [wahleka] igqwetha jikelele, kwaye liza kuhamba ngokukrakra. Kwaye emva koko bafika uNancy Pelosi, kwaye umbuzo-uyazi, uTrump uye wamvuma kumazwi akhe. Kwaye bendilindele ukuba uNancy Pelosi abambelele ngokwenene kulo mfo, uyazi? Kwaye-hayi! Sinikwe amandla okubuyela apha kwaye ngenene senze into kubantu abaqhelekileyo! Kwaye kwakupholile, kushushu. Kwaye yayingathi, owu, siza kugcina umbono wokhathalelo lwempilo olufikelelekayo. Yaye wayebonakala engeva kakuhle njengoko uHillary wayelunyulo. Indlela endivakalelwa ngayo kukuba, le nto uBernie Sanders eze nayo yayiluhlobo olufanayo lwamandla-kuphela yayiyi-populism yasekhohlo-amandla afanayo noDonald Trump. I-populism eqhubela phambili, ngokuchaseneyo nokuphendula, ukugxeka abantu abambalwa, abantu abasesichengeni, njalo njalo. Kwaye ndiyamangala, uyazi, uchithe iinyanga ezidlulileyo kunyulo lwaphakathi enyakeni nayo yonke into; uyakwenza, ngaba iDemocratic Party iyakwazi ukuva loo ntlungu?
JC: Hayi. Hayiโhayi kubunkokeli obukhoyo. Ndiyathetha, unyanisile; ingxaki nguPelosi, ingxaki nguClinton, ingxaki nguSchumer. Emva kwentlekele ka-2016-kwaye unyanisile ngembali yam, ndibuyela emva kumashumi eminyaka kule nto. Uyazi, siseta i-FAIR kuba iimbono eziqhubekayo zazingabandakanywa kwimidiya eqhelekileyo. Ngokuqhelekileyo kwimidiya eqhelekileyo-ngaphandle kwezinye izinto; ubungomnye kwi-LA Times-ngokuqhelekileyo, i-spectrum yahamba ukusuka kwiziko ukuya ekunene. Ngoko ndachitha amashumi eminyaka ndizama ukufumana umbono oqhubekayo apho. Kwaye ndiza kuxelela abaphathi, ndiza kuba neentlanganiso kunye nabaphathi beendaba, kwaye ndingathi: uyazi, ukuba ubunenkqubela phambili engaphoxekiyo kwezinye zezi ngxoxo, ayizukulungela idemokhrasi kuphela, kodwa ukulinganisa kwakho kuya kuhamba. phezulu. Kwaye ke yintoni ebinomdla ngephulo likaBernie-kwaye ndiyamazi uBernie ukusukela kwikota yakhe yokuqala kwiCongress-kokokuqala ngqa, amajelo eendaba anyanzeliswayo, kuba wayenezi ndibano zinkulu, ukuba abe ne-ajenda eqhubekayo kwiindaba zasebusuku. , ubusuku ngabunye, ngakumbi kwiindaba zentambo. Kwaye khangela kwaye ubone, lo myalezo oqhubekayo udibene nabavoti abaninzi, nokuba bayalazi ixesha progressive okanye hayi. Kwaye kwakhona, ukuthetha nabavoti bakaTrump kamva abavotele uBernie-ndidibene naba bantu. Ngoko bonke ubomi bam bebuluzama ukuba nenkqubela, isigidimi esinenkqubela esiviwa zizihlwele zabantu. Kwaye ngaba iQela leDemokhrasi, njengoko likhokelwa ngoku, lingaphumelela kwaye liloyise iTrump, kwaye emva kokuphumelela unyulo, lilawule ngendlela onokuthi ugcine amandla? Hayi ngobunkokeli obukhoyo. Zimbini iingxaki ezijongene nelizwe lethu: enye, uya kuva ngayo kwi-MSNBC rhoqo ebusuku. Bubugqwirha, ubuhlanga, inkcaso yenzululwazi, ukonakalisa amaRiphabhlikhi. Kukho ingxaki elinganayo, yesibini, kwaye loo nto yi-corporatism kunye nokuphazamiseka kunye nokuxhaswa kweDemocratic Party. Kwaye ukuba konke okwenzayo kukuthetha ngale ngxaki yokuqala, nto leyo kuphela abathetha ngayo iyure emva kweyure kwi-MSNBC, unika ababukeli bakho isiqingatha sebali. Kuba ezi zinto zimbini zihamba kunye. Ngoko emva kwentlekele ye-2016, xa ubunkokeli beqela-le yinye yeentlekele ezinkulu kwimbali yase-US, xa uTrump ephumelele-abayi kwenza i-autopsy kwinto abayenzileyo engalunganga. Abavumanga ukuyenza, ngoko sayenza. Kwaye sikhuphe le ngxelo ebizwa ngokuba yiDemocraticAutopsy.org. Yintoni ubunkokeli beDemokhrasi kunye ne-MSNBC eyanelisekile ukuyenza, yayikujonga izinto zangaphandle. Ngoko ke bazama ukubeka ityala eRashiya, yiyo loo nto baphulukene noNovemba [2016]; okanye ungenelelo lukaComey, kwiintsuku ezili-11 phambi konyulo. Ezi yayiziimeko ezincinci. Kodwa eyona nto yayiphambili yayikulawulo lobunkokeli beqela leDemocratic Party, kwaye ngabo abamnyulileyo njengomgqatswa wabo; indlela abaqhube ngayo loo mkhankaso, indlela abayichitha ngayo imali yabo-kwaye khumbula, iClintonites yachitha imali eninzi kuneTrumpites ngoNovemba, ngokhetho lukaNovemba 2016. Ke yintoni, ukugxeka kwethu ubunkokeli beQela leDemocratic Party, kwaye kutheni kufuneka batshintshwe-kwaye kungekudala kuya kubakho amaphulo okutshintsha uSchumer noPelosi noTom Perez, inkokeli yeDemocratic National Committee-isizathu sokuba kufuneka batshintshwe baqhubeka besenza iimpazamo ezimbini. Enye yi-ajenda; abanalo i-ajenda eqhubekayo, yi-mush, i-tepid, njengoko uthe. Kwaye ezimbini, abayisebenzisi imali yabo ngendlela efanelekileyo. Into ekufuneka uyenzile kukuba ne-ajenda eqhubekayo eyenza umdla omkhulu phakathi kwabantu abatsha, abantu bebala, kunye nabantu abamhlophe abasebenzayo. Kwaye ke kufuneka uchithe imali yakho ukuze ufumane isiseko sakho kwii-poll-ngabantu abamnyama, iLatinos, abantu abahluphekileyo, abantu abatsha. Endaweni yoko, bachitha yonke le mali kwiintengiso.
RS: Kodwa sityibilika kulwimi apha lweDemokhrasi ngokungathi ngandlela ithile sinesidima, ukuba siyakhubeka. Kwaye ndifuna ukukubuza umbuzo. Ngaba abagqibelelanga ngakumbi, kwimicimbi yezoqoqosho, itheko laseWall Street? Kwaye isiphumo kukuba, nakunyulo lwe-'16, bafumana inkxaso ethe kratya eWall Street, kwaye bayifumene phakathi kwekota ngoku; Khange ndenze uhlalutyo lweklinikhi lwamanani. Ndifuna ukukubuza malunga neqela leDemocratic Party-mhlawumbi ngokusisiseko ngumsebenzi wobuqhophololo, KULUNGILE, ukuba eneneni, ulahlekisa abantu. Uninzi lwabahlobo bam, uninzi lwabantu endibaziyo, bayinxalenye yamaza aluhlaza; Ndiyathetha, kusapho lwam kuyo yonke indawo, ndinayo-ndinayo le nto ngalo lonke ixesha: siya kuphumelela, siyakuxhathisa. Kwaye umbuzo ngulo, akukho myalezo wengqondo yobuxoki apha? Ukuba sithetha ngesiseko esinabantu abasebenzayo, abantu abamnyama, abantu abamdaka-abo, liqela. Abantu abamnyama nabantsundu abafundise eKholejini yayingabo bantu bachaphazeleka kakhulu kwi-Great Recession, eyenziwe nguRobert Rubin, uLawrence Summers, uBill Clinton. Uyazi, balahlekelwe ngama-60, i-70 yepesenti yobutyebi babo ngenxa yezi mboleko zamaxoki, ubuqhetseba nayo yonke into. Seso siseko oza kuthi ngoku ukuba banike iiDemokhrasi elinye ithuba?
JC: Ewe, ungaphakathi-mna nawe sichonga isiseko, kodwa ubunkokeli beqela, njengoko usitsho, budibene neWall Street. I-Clintonites, i-Obama-u-Obama wafumana imali engaphezulu kwiWall Street xa wayebalekela umongameli ngo-2008 ngaphambili, kwelo phulo, ngaphambi kokuba abe ngumphambili. Kwaye kwakukho abagqatswa ababini baseNew York ababengenela umongameli, uGiuliani kunye noHillary Clinton, kwaye u-Obama wayebakhuphele ngaphandle imali ngaphambi kokuba abe ngumongameli. Ngoko wayenxibelelene kakuhle, naye. Ngoko ke isiseko sombuthoโasinayo inkqubo yepalamente, asinakumelwa ngokulinganayo. Thina, kumanqanaba kazwelonke nakwilizwe liphela, sehliselwe kumaqela amabini. Kwaye abanenkqubela kufuneka bathathe ubunkokheli beDemocratic Party. Ukuba ishiywe ezandleni zePelosis kunye neSchumers kunye noTom Perezes, ayinathemba.
RS: Kulungile, kodwa uyazi, ndiyathanda ukugrumba nzulu kolu dliwano-ndlebe. Kwaye uyazi, phezolo-owu, ndingene engxakini, hayi nje phezolo, ndifundisa amatyeli aliqela. Kwaye wonke umntu ukusuka kwinkosikazi yam ukuya kwidikani yam yangaphambili apha, nabanye abantu-ndathi, khangela, ukuba kukho abantwana egumbini, nabaphi na abafundi abaziva bengafuni ukuvota, akunyanzelekanga ukuba wenze njalo. Ngoku - isindululo esiphikisanayo.
JC: Kuyaxoxwa kakhulu.
RS: Kuyaxoxwa kakhulu, kodwa emva kwayo yonke loo nto, siseyunivesithi, kufanele ukuba sicinge nzulu, kufuneka sicele umngeni. Kwaye bendisenza inqaku lokuphuhlisa ingxoxo kunye nengxoxo, uyazi. Kwaye mna phezolo bendinesincamathelisi sam esithi โNdivoteleโ; Uyazi, ndiyile ngokunyanisekileyo kwinto yam yokuvota. Kodwa ndicinge, uyazi, yima umzuzu; Linda umzuzu. Ngaba ngokwenene lo ngumdlalo ofanele ukutsala ingqalelo yethu? Ngoku, ndikubuza umbuzo kuba xa ndandikwiNkomfa yeDemokhrasi, wawungumntu obalulekileyo kum njengentatheli. Bendifuna ukuba kwindawo enikuyo, iintlanganiso njalo njalo, kuba yayizezona ndwendwe zinomdla, iindwendwe zikaBernie. Babesuka kulo lonke ilizwe, benombono ofezekileyo, benxibelelana noluntu lwabo. kwaye khangela, bangcatshwa.
JC: Kunjalo, kodwa ukubaโwena, ndiyavuya ukuba ubakhulisile. Ukuba konke abakwenzileyo yayingabathunywa bakaBernie kwaye basebenza kwiphulo likaBernie, ke ewe, ndingaphoxeka. Kodwa abantu obhekisa kubo ndaye ndabazi kakuhle eFiladelphia, ukusuka kulo lonke uhlanga, iqela ngalinye lobudala, isini ngasinye-bangabakhi beentshukumo. Aba ngabantu abasebenza kwimibutho. Bangabaququzeleli beemanyano, bangabaququzeleli-abaqeshi. Ngoko ke andikholelwa ukuba ubhalisa nantoni na ngokungavoti. Kodwa ukuba konke okwenzayo kukusebenza kunyulo, okanye usebenza kwiinyanga ezimbini kuphela phambi konyulo, awulotsha ntliziyo. Into ekufuneka uyenzile kukwakha imibutho ezimeleyo, kwaye emva koko uthathe loo mibutho usebenze ngonyulo. Kodwa ukuba yonke into oyenzayo ngumsebenzi wonyulo, ingumjikelo; asiyiyo indlela oya kwakha ngayo intshukumo enokuthi ithathele iDemocratic Party kwaye ithathe ilizwe. Into ebalulekileyo kukuba, siya phi? Ngaba kukho indlela yokubeka phambili i-ajenda eqhubekayo kunye nokunyusa imali kwiphulo likamongameli okanye iphulo elikhulu? Kwaye ndicinga ukuba uBernie Sanders ubonisile, awudingi mali yaseWall Street. Awudingi mali yenkampani. Unokufumana iminikelo ye-$ 27. UBeto O'Rourke wangqina oko.
RS: Xa uthi wayingqina-
JC: Waqokelela imali eninzi kakhulu kunokuba wayeyidinga. Ingxaki ngoBernie, phakathi kukaBernie noHillary yayingenanto yakwenza nemali. Yinto enye eTexas; U-Beto O'Rourke akayi kuthatha imali yePAC, akayi kuthatha imali yenkampani. Kukho amaza amatsha ngaphakathi kweDemocratic Party, kwaye elo liza-nkqubela phambili ngaphakathi kwiqela lisithi, ukuba sine-ajenda yenkqubela phambili, singaphinda sakhe umanyano lwezizwe ngezizwe oluya kusivotela. Kwaye-enkosi kwi-intanethi-sinokunyusa imali ngeminikelo yeedola ezincinci esingasayifuniyo imali yaseWall Street. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba yindlela yexesha elizayo leyo; ukuba abantu baya kwi-DemocraticAutopsy.org, unokukubona ukugxeka esikwenzileyo kubunkokeli beqela. Kwaye yenziwe ngabantu-ibandakanywe kwiqela lethu lokubhala yayingumququzeleli weBernie Delegates Network, uNorman Solomon. NguKaren Bernal, owadibana naye ePhiladelphia; uyintloko yeProgressive Caucus yeCarlifonia Democratic Party, eyona caucus inkulu. Sinosihlalo weNew Mexico Progressive Caucus yeDemocratic Party. Ke kukho amaza phakathi kweDemocratic Party ezama ukuthabatha ubunkokeli kwiClintonites.
RS: Ngokwenyani, xa ndicinga ngezopolitiko zaseMelika ngokubanzi, kukho imikhosi emibini esebenza ngokuchasene noko, uthi, uTom Paine-andizukubabiza abaSeki. Ubunamandla achasene nabemi, amandla achaseneyo, kwaye yiloo nto uMqulu wamaLungelo kwaye yonke into yayiza kuyinika ilizwi. Ngoku, unemeko eyahlukileyo kakhulu; Une-MSNBC, emele ukuba ibeyimithombo yeendaba eqhubela phambili, kodwa iphethwe yenye yeenkampani ezinkulu zeendaba ezikhohlisayo, kunjalo, iComcast. Ngaphambi koko yayiyeyekontraka yezokhuselo kunye nomgcini-bhanki owaba luncedo kakhulu ekufumaneni ukunyibilika kweebhanki, iGE Capital. Ke benza umboniso wokuzimela geqe, kodwa sonke siyazi ukuba kukho imida, kwaye xa usebenzela loo misebenzi, okushiyekileyo kumaphephandaba akho kuxhomekeke ngakumbi kwiibhiliyoni. Ke xa sicinga ngomgangatho woluntu lwethu, ingxoxo-mpikiswano enokuyigcina, konke kulungile kwaye kulungile ukuthi, abantu balapha phandle baququzelela iintshukumo njalo njalo. Kwaye andifuni kuba negative apha; Ndifuna ukukhuthaza abantu ukuba benze oko. Kodwa inyaniso ikukuba, siphila ngokukhula kwihlabathi lowe-1984. Sinemeko yokugada; sinomgangatho ococwe kakhulu wolawulo lwentlalo, ukukhohlisa, ukuhlola kunye nokukwazi ukuhlanganisa abantu. Kwaye ke unabafana ababini abafana nathi abahleli apha, bephonononga ngolunyulo, kwaye ndiyazibuza ukuba asingcwabi na. I-lede ithi, uDonald Trump akayongozi; uyinto eqhelekileyo kolu luntu lunenkohliso. Uyayazi indlela yokudlala inkqubo, kwaye, njengoko iWall Street ibonisile ngamaxabiso esitokhwe nayo yonke enye into, bayayithanda.
JC: Ewe.
RS: Bayayithanda.
JC: Ewe. Ke, aโjonga, andinakuyiphikisa le nto ubuyithetha. Ndikhe ndangumgxeki ophambili we-MSNBC; yonke into abathetha ngayo yiRashiya, iRashiya, iMueller, iMueller, iMueller. Khawufane ucinge ukuba bathetha ngezinto ezibalulekileyo, njengabo bonke ubuqhophololo benkampani kaDonald Trump. Oko bekuya kuvakala njani kubavoti. Waphula uMgaqo-siseko. Ke i-MSNBC yintlekele kum. Umcimbi omkhulu wenkululeko yeendaba akukhona ukuba iTump ikhohlakele kwiintatheli, njengoko yayiyiyo namhlanje kunye nentatheli ye-CNN kunye nentatheli ye-NBC. Eyona nkululeko inkulu yomba weendaba kukuba iTrump isebenza kunye neComcast kunye ne-AT&T kunye neVerizon ukuphelisa ukungathathi hlangothi, okuza kutyhala iTruthdig kunye neNyaniso kunye namaphupha aqhelekileyo kunye neDemokhrasi ngoku! kunye neYoung Turks kwilayini ecothayo. Usebenza ngesandla-in-iglavu kunye nabo. Ngowuphi umba ongazange uwuve kwi-MSNBC ephethwe yiComcast malunga nenkululeko yoshicilelo yeyona nkululeko inkulu yengxoxo yeendaba eqhubekayo ngoku, nto leyo isindisa ukungathathi hlangothi. Abayi kuthetha ngayo. Ke unyanisile ukuba ubunini bemithombo yeendaba kunye nobunini be-intanethi, kunye nenyaniso yokuba aba baboneleli be-intanethi abakhulu zezi nkampani zimbalwa zinkulu ezivelisa umxholo-iyingozi kakhulu, iyingozi kakhulu. Kodwa kufuneka ndihlale ndinethemba. Into endinethemba ngayo kukuba, ndiyafunda ngovoto. Kwaye uvoto lubonisa ukuba abona bantu banenkqubela phambili, ngokweminyaka, ngoku, ngabantu abangaphantsi kweminyaka engama-30, abangaphantsi kweminyaka engama-35. Babona bantu bachasene nocalucalulo ngokobuhlanga, ngabona bantu banerhafu-abasisityebi. uninzi lwethu-ngcono-yenza-into-malunga-nokutshintsha kwemozulu-demographic. Kwaye ke abantu abatsha, nokuba bafunde ekholejini okanye hayi, ii-polls endizijongayo bonke abantu abangaphantsi kweminyaka engama-30, bonke abantu abangaphantsi kweminyaka engama-35. ukungazinzi ngomnwe wakhe kufutshane neqhosha-ngaba sinalo ixesha lesizukulwana esitsha sabantu? Mna nawe sabona eso sizukulwana eFiladelfiya; aba yayingabathunywa bakaBernie. Abaninzi kubo bebengaphantsi kweminyaka engama-30. Jonga kubo bonke abantu abanyulwe izolo, abangaphantsi kweminyaka engama-35. Ndithetha ukuthi, ndisuka eNew York; U-Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez ufaka umbane, kwaye wabetha iDemocrat yesine enamandla kwiprayimari. Kukho izinto ezivuyisayo ezenzekayo ngaphandle kwempembelelo yeWall Street kwiDemocratic Party. Kwaye, njengoko usitsho, nangona iibhiliyoni zilawula amajelo eendaba. Ukuba sinokugcina ukungathathi hlangothi, sisenazo ezinye iindlela abantu abatsha, ngakumbi, bafumana ngazo iindaba ezizimeleyo. Icala elisezantsi le-intanethi li-Trump lithumela iitweets zakhe eziphambeneyo, kwaye uBreitbart uthumela i-crap yakhe eyahlulayo engachanekanga okanye eyinyani. Uyazi, kukho icala eliphezulu nelisezantsi. Kodwa ndiye ndafunda eendaba ezizimeleyo, kwaye ube yinxalenye enkulu kuyo isiqingatha senkulungwane. Kwaye imidiya ezimeleyo inamandla namhlanje kunokuba mhlawumbi nanini na kwinkulungwane edlulileyo. Kwaye akuyi kuba ukuba iTrump kunye neComcast, ukuba bayaphumelela ukukhupha i-intanethi. Uyazi, i-intanethi yasimahla, i-intanethi evulekileyo.
RS: Ngokuqinisekileyo ndiyavuma ukuba kubalulekile ukulwa umlo omhle. Kodwa siyenza le nto, kulungile, sisenziwa kwisikhululo sikanomathotholo sikawonke-wonke. Kwaye iyenziwa, sirekhoda eyunivesithi. Umsebenzi wethu apha kukucinga ngokuvakalayo. Kuba ndicinga ukuba umdlalo ukhohliwe ngoku ukuya kuthi ga kwinqanaba lokuba into esiyifunayo singabanye abantu abaphosayo. Kwaye ndicinga ngoMartin Luther King, kwaye xa ndandingumhleli weRamparts sampapasha xa iThe New York Times yamgxeka kumhleli, xa wayeseRiverside Church, unyaka ngaphambi kokuba abulawe, yatsho iUnited States, urhulumente wam. , ngoyena nobangela wobundlobongela ehlabathini namhlanje. Leyo yayingeyontetho umpolitiki onenyameko angaze acinge ngayo; uya kugwetywa. Nangona kunjalo, iUnited States, namhlanje, yeyona nto iphambili kubundlobongela emhlabeni namhlanje. Inohlahlo lwabiwo-mali lwempi olukhula rhoqo, luxhaswa yiDemokhrasi kunye namaRiphabhlikhi; ingenelela kuyo yonke indawo ehlabathini. Ukanti, ukuba abo bagqatswa balungileyo uthetha ngabo babenobuganga bokuthi, urhulumente wam ngoyena mntu uphambili kubundlobongela behlabathi namhlanje, abasayi kunyangwa-uyazi, masinqumle kuleqa apha.
JC: Ewe, ndiyavuma. Kodwa mandiphendule. Uphakamise owona mbandela ubalulekileyo abangayi kuthetha ngawo oonkululeko, nto leyo yimfazwe yase-US. Xa uMartin Luther King esithi i-US yeyona nto iphambili yobundlobongela emhlabeni namhlanje, ukuba ebephila ngeyithetha, njengoko usitsho, namhlanje. Sineziseko zomkhosi ze-800, i-717 yeebhiliyoni zeedola ze-National Defense Authorization Act ye-2019. Kwaye i-ofisi ka-Schumer, kunye no-Pelosi, bathumele izitatimende malunga nendlela ababesebenza ngayo kunye noTrump ukuze bamfumane imali yokukhusela isicatshulwa sethu, ukucaphuna. Uninzi lweDemokhrasi, kwanenkqubela phambili, kwiiwebhusayithi zabo-jonga imiba endiqhuba kuyo-baya kukhankanya amalungelo angama-gay, baya kukhankanya ukhathalelo lwempilo, baya kukhankanya okusingqongileyo. Abathethi ngomkhosi. Abathethi ngemfazwe engapheliyo. Siye sabandakanyeka emfazweni ukusukela ngo-2001. Yeyona mfazwe inde kwimbali yase-US, kwaye abayi kuthetha ngayo. Kodwa nazi iindaba ezimnandi. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez; URashida Tlaib, oyinkongolokazi entsha, umPalestine-waseMelika osuka eDetroit; U-Ilhan Omar, imbacu yaseSomalia, yinkongolose entsha yaseMinnesota; U-Ayanna Pressley, wabetha i-Demokhrasi yexesha eli-10 kwindawo yokuqala, usuka eBoston. Kwiiwebhusayithi zabo, bathetha ngokusika uhlahlo lwabiwo-mali lomkhosi kunye nokusebenzisa loo mali kwintlalontle. Ukuba awunqumli uhlahlo lwabiwo-mali lomkhosi, singabonelela njani ngemfundo yasimahla yasekholejini? Singabonelela njani ngohlobo lokhathalelo lwempilo olufunwa lilizwe? Ke unyanisile, unyanisile-ngowona mcimbi mkhulu amajelo eendaba angayi kuthetha ngawo, i-MSNBC ayithethi ngayo. Kodwa ezinye zezi-ngokucacileyo, i-Truthdig iyathetha ngayo, i-Truthout ithetha ngayo, iDemokhrasi ngoku! uthetha ngayo. I-MSNBCโabathethi ngayo, akukho nto injengomkhosi wase-US okanye impiriyali yase-US kwezo zikhululo.
RS: Ke ndiza kuyiqukumbela le nto ngokuthi ndiqhwabela izandla-kwaye andizithobi apha-imizamo yenu, nabantu abafana noNorman Solomon, nabagqatswa obakhankanyileyo. Kwaye njengoko benditshilo, ndibaleke njengeDemocrat yeCongress, kwaye ndisebenze-ndasebenza kwi-LA Times iminyaka engama-29, ndiyakholelwa ekusebenziseni nantoni na onayo ukuze ufumane ingcinga, amagama athile, ukugxekwa. . Ndicinga ukuba sonke kufuneka silwe umlo omhle. Kodwaโkodwaโsikwanembopheleleko yokuthetha inyaniso ngamandla ngeyona ndlela icacileyo. Kwaye into engaqhelekanga yile iphiko lasekunene-ndingayibiza ngokuba yi-neofascist populist. Andizange ndibunciphise ubungozi bukaTrump, kodwa inyani yomcimbi kukuba, kukho into eyinyani ngendlela emangalisayo-
JC: Ewe.
RS: Malunga nephulo lakhe. Ukuba uchukumisa intlungu ngaphandle. Ngoku, ukwenza ngendlela engafanelekanga. Kodwa inyaniso kukuba, akukhona nje ukuba uqoqosho luhamba kakuhle; wenze uthethathethwano olusebenzayo kakhulu kurhwebo; I-NAFTA 2.0, athe wathethathethana nayo, sisihogo esingcono kakhulu kunezo kwakuxoxwa ngazo phantsi kweeDemokhrasiโ
JC: Kwaye u-Obama wayeneminyaka esibhozo ukuyilungisa ngokwakhe kwaye akazange.
RS: Ewe. Kwaye okwesihlandlo sokuqala, kukho uqwalaselo oluthile lomvuzo ofanelekileyo, kwaye eneneni ivumela iinkundla zaseMexico naseKhanada ukuba zibenazo, kwaye iMelika, zinento ethi malunga nokuba isivumelwano siyavuma. Ndicinga ukubaโkuMntla Korea, njalo njalo. Apho ayingozi ngokwenene, ngokumangalisayo, zizinto zaseRashiya; uqhubeka ebeka izohlwayo eRashiya, akayithathi ithuba lencoko yakhe noPutin ukuze abe nolawulo lwezixhobo; usandula ukukrazulwa-akukho mbuzo mnye namhlanje malunga, kwinkomfa yoonondaba, malunga nokukrazula kwakhe ulawulo lwezixhobo kwizixhobo zenyukliya eziphakathi. Kakhulu, inzulu kakhulu. Kodwa ndifuna ukuyiqukumbela le nto ngokuthi, akukho namnye kwaba bantu uthetha ngabo oya kuthetha ngongenelelo oluphambili lwamazwe angaphandle kolunyulo, kwaye yayinguSirayeli. Kwaye i-pivot, eyona nto iyingozi kakhulu eyenziwe nguTrump kumgaqo-nkqubo wangaphandle, eyona nto iyingozi kakhulu ayenzileyo kumgaqo-nkqubo wasekhaya kukugxeka abantu abasesichengeni, ngakumbi abaphambukeli. Iyoyikeka, kwaye ineechoes, i-echoes enamandla ye-fascism, ihlasela abona bantu basengozini. Kodwa kumgaqo-nkqubo wangaphandle, kwaye zihlobene, ingozi yokwenyani kukwamkela olu manyano phakathi kweSaudi Arabia kunye noSirayeli, kunye nengcamango yokuba i-Iran, engazange ihlasele iWorld Trade Centre, ukuba ngandlela-thile i-Iran yingxaki enkulu, kwaye kubonakala ngathi sijonge kuhlobo oluthile lokujongana neIran, ngaphandle kwamaFrentshi, amaJamani, amaRussia, amaTshayina onke athi ngamandongomane, ayasihlonipha isivumelwano. Kwaye awuva mntu uthetha ngayo. Ngoku, umongameli wayiveza kwinkomfa yakhe noonondaba. Wathi, Musani ukundihlasela; uthe, uNetanyahu uthe ndiyinto enkulu yoxolo lwehlabathi. Leyo yayiyeyona nto iphambili ayithethileyo kweyona nkomfa yakhe ibalulekileyo noonondaba. Akukho namnye kumajelo eendaba owamcela umngeni kuloo nto.
JC: Makhe ndiphendule. Ewe. USirayeli sisihloko esingenakuchukunyiswa kumajelo aqhelekileyo. Siyayazi loo nto. Abantu baphulukene nemisebenzi emininzi ngenxa yokugxekwa kukaSirayeli. Kwaye yayiyinto xa ndandisebenza noPhil Donahue kwi-MSNBC, kutheni singena engxakini nabaphathi. Ngenxa yokuba sazithandabuza izenzo zamaSirayeli. Yiloo nto. Kodwa ngokweTrump, ndicinga ukuba uyibethelele. Ndiyathetha, unamandla amangalisayo okunxibelelana nabaphulaphuli bakhe. Ngabaphulaphuli abamhlophe; umxelela ukuba uyabathanda; wenza iziqhulo; uya kuthetha ngeendlela ezingezizo ezezopolitiko. Akukho mathandabuzo, unobuchule kumajelo eendaba aqhelekileyo. Unobuchule kumabonakude. Ndiyathetha, xa ndijonga, ngubani onetyala lokunyuka kukaTrump, unayo uJeff Zucker, wayengumongameli we-NBC yokuzonwabisa, eyadala "Umfundi" waloo ego eyaziwa ngokuba nguDonald Trump. Kwaye emva koko uhamba waya kwi-CNN, kwaye uyakhumbula kwi-2015 kunye neenyanga zokuqala ze-2016, kwi-CNN babenomgaqo-nkqubo we-Trump-all-time-time. Ke uTrump yinkosi kamabonwakude, kwaye ndicinga ukuba unalo olu nxibelelwano kubaphulaphuli uninzi lwezopolitiko zeDemokhrasi, ngokuyekelela kwabo kunye nokuthetha kwabo nge-mush emilonyeni yabo, abanalo. Kodwa uyazi, kukho imiba emininzi oyikhankanyileyo ekufuneka ibe kwiindaba zelizwe, kwaye kwi-MSNBC kunye ne-CNN yayiyiRussia, iRussia, iMueller, iMueller, iMueller. Uyazi, i-FAIR yenze uphando kwaye bafumanisa-oku bekungoJulayi walo nyaka-akukho nxalenye enye kwi-MSNBC ngendima yase-US ekubulaweni kwabantu eYemen, ingxaki yobuntu, i-US kunye ne-Saudi Arabia ibulala abantu abaninzi. Kodwa ngelixa amacandelo angama-zero eYemen, amacandelo angama-465 akhankanya iStormy Daniels. Ke ndiyathetha, sinokusilela kokwenyani kwinto ebizwa ngokuba yi-liberal media kunye nento abayigubungelayo. Kwaye i-Iran kunye ne-Israel-ndithetha ukuba, yi-powder keg. Unyanisile, yinto eqhelekileyo, nakwiNew York Times, oko kukuthi, uyazi, inokuba liphephandaba elinamandla. Kodwa banale ngqungquthela malunga ne-Iran njengomxhasi ophambili wobunqolobi emhlabeni. Siyazi ukuba akuyonyani, yonke ingcali iyazi ukuba ayiyonyani. ISaudi Arabia ngumxhasi ophambili. Kwaye njengoko usitsho, asizange sihlaselwe ngoSeptemba 11th yi-Iran; ngokuchaseneyo noko. Ngoko ke into endizama ngayo ukuba abantu bayenze-kunye neminyaka eyi-10 kwiKholeji yase-Ithaca, intsimi yam yokufunda yayiyimithombo yeendaba ezizimeleyo-uqhawule umtshato kwi-corporate, imidiya eqhelekileyo kwaye uqale ngokwenene ukumba kwiindawo ezizimeleyo ezizimeleyo. Ngenene sibenempembelelo kumajelo eendaba azimeleyo. Kodwa zonke ezi zigxeko uzenzayo ngenkqubo yezopolitiko, kunye nenkqubo yemidiya, ndiyavumelana nayo. Kodwa ndicinga ukuba ndinethemba lesizukulwana esitsha, kunye nesizukulwana esitsha esinemithombo yeendaba entsha, ezimeleyo eye yanda.
RS: Ewe, kwelo nqaku, ndifuna [ukuhleka] ukubulela, ndiyaqikelela, uJeff Cohen, oqale i-FAIR, kwaye ngoku, kutsha nje, ebekunye neRootsAction. Kwaye ndikubonile usebenza kwiNgqungquthela yeDemokhrasi, ndiyazi ukuba uzaliswe lithemba kunye nokuqonda. Kwaye uyazi, ukuba ibiliqela lakho leDemokhrasi, bendiya kuba ngaphezulu-
JC: Ngenye imini iya kuba yeyomntuโewe, ngenye imini iya kuba yeyomntu.
RS: Ewe, yile yolu hlelo lweScheer Intelligence. Abavelisi bethu nguJosh Scheer kunye no-Isabel Carreon. Iinjineli zethu e-KCRW nguKat Yore kunye noMario Diaz. Kwaye apha kwiSikolo sase-Annenberg soNxibelelwano kunye nobuntatheli kwiYunivesithi yaseSouthern California, uSebastian Grubaugh ube yindoda ebhodini. Nantso ke, sobonana kwiveki ezayo.
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