Kusanganiswa kwezvematongerwo enyika, nhau, uye varaidzo kwakapa mukurumbira kune vanyarikani vakaita saJimmy Kimmel, Stephen Colbert, Seth Meyers, naBill Maher, vanoshanda sembwa dzinorwisa bato reDemocratic Party, iro rakabatana nebato rekutanga reRepublican. Bato rinopesana naDonald Trump nevatsigiri vake. Nekuzvidza Trump nevateveri vake, aya makomiki anodyisa smug, kuzviruramisa kweiyo inotonga, vachisimbisa pfungwa yavo yehunhu nehungwaru hwepamusoro. Nguva yese iyi, vanoramba vakabatikana zvakanaka nemakambani nevashambadziri vanovashandisa. Vanoshanda sevaseki vedare, vasingambobvunzi kodzero yevatongi yekutonga kana kusaruramisira kwakashata kwemagariro kunovakirwa muhurongwa hwekubiridzira. Ivo vanoshanda sembwa dzekurwiswa kwesimba rekugadzwa, vachitungamira mabara avo emucomedic kune vatsoropodzi vehurongwa, kunyangwe kana vatsoropodzi ava vachibva kuruboshwe. Comedian uye mutsigiri wezvematongerwo enyika Lee Camp anojoinha Iyo Chris Hedges Report kukurukura nezve shanduko yekomedhi kubva paunyanzvi hwakadzika midzi mucounterculture kuenda kune iyo yakanyanya kuita megaphone yesimba.
Lee Camp munyarikani, muongorori wezvematongerwo enyika, uye aimbove munyori mukuru uye mutambi wemutambo weTV wenyika Yakagadziridzwa Manheru ano naLee Camp paRT America. Iye aimbova mubatsiri The Onion, aimbova vashandi kuseka munyori we HuffPost, uye dandemutande rake rewebhu "Nguva yekujekaโ yakaonekwa nemamiriyoni. Camp atenderera nyika nepasirese nerudzi rwake runotyisa rwemushonga wekumira, uye mwanasikana waGeorge Carlin, Kelly, akamudaidza semumwe wevashoma vanyarikani vanochengeta tochi yababa vake ichibatidzwa.
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Chris Hedges:
Kusanganiswa kwezvematongerwo enyika, nhau, uye varaidzo kwakapa mukurumbira kune vanyarikani, kunyanya avo vakaita saJimmy Kimmel, Stephen Colbert, Seth Meyers, John Oliver, naBill Maher, vanoshanda sembwa dzekurwisa kuDemocratic Party, iyo yakabatana nemauto. bato rekugadzwa kwebato rekare reRepublican Party richipokana naVaDonald Trump nevatsigiri vake. Nekudzikisira Trump nevateveri vake, aya makomiki anodyisa smug, kuzviruramisa kweiyo inotonga kugadzwa uye pfungwa yavo yehunhu nehungwaru hukuru. Aya makomiki nemanetiweki anovapa mapuratifomu, HBO, Comedy Central, TBS, ABC, CBS, NBC, uye kunyange CNN, iyo yakahaya makomiki akadai saW. Kamau Bell kuti aite zvirongwa padandemutande renhau, hazvina zvazvinoita. pamusoro pemamiriro ezvematongerwo enyika. Vanosemeswa nekuregeredzwa nevatsigiri vaTrump sekutambirwa kwavanoitwa nevanovenga Trump. Vanomanikidzwa nemakambani nevashambadziri vanovashandisa. Vanoshanda sevaseki vedare, vasingambobvunzi kodzero yevatongi yekutonga, kana kusaruramisira kunotyisa kwevanhu kunovakwa muhurongwa hwakabiridzirwa.
Vanotengesa zvinhu zvisina maturo chete, vachitsvaga zvisinganzwisisike, zvisinganzwisisike, mapenzi, uye zvisizvo mutsika dzine mukurumbira kana mishumo yenhau. Vanosimudzira fiction yekuti tinorarama mudemocracy. Havapikisa upenzi hwehondo yekusingaperi kubva kuMiddle East kusvika kuUkraine. Ivo havadaidzire makambani akabvisa-maindasitiri nyika uye akasiya uye nekuita varombo vashandi vekuAmerica. Vanorwisa vatsoropodzi vehurongwa kunyangwe vatsoropodzi ava vachibva kuruboshwe. John Oliver, semuenzaniso, akapa chiratidziro kunyomba mumiriri weGreen Party, Jill Stein. Bill Maher akazivisa pachena chipo chake chemamiriyoni emadhora kumushandirapamwe wa1 waBarack Obama. Aya makomikisi anotengesa mukuzvikunda-kutsoropodza izvo zvinobvunza zvese zvinotsoropodza zvemagadzirirwo chaiwo esimba. Simba rinongoseka nyambo dzaro uye aya ndiwo majee anotaurwa nemakomiki aya.
Kubatana neni kuti tikurukure shanduko yekomedhi kubva kumhando yehunyanzvi yakadzika midzi mucounterculture kuenda kune iyo yakanyanya kuve megaphone yesimba ndiLee Camp. Ndiani, semakomiki eimwe nguva, Lenny Bruce, Richard Pryor, Mort Sahl, Bill Hicks, naGeorge Carlin uye vashoma venguva yake, kusanganisira Jimmy Dore, haatyi kushandisa reza-inopinza wit kurwisa vavengi vedu chaivo. Saka censorship yemakomiki haisi nyowani, tinogona kudzokera kuna Lenny Bruce. Uye zvakare kupa acerbic komiki nerutsigiro rwemari inorema kuti vatenge kuvimbika kwavo hachisi chitsva. Asi ngatidzokerei titaure mumakumi emakore apfuura kwataive, kuti zvakashanda sei uye kwatave iko zvino.
Lee Camp:
Zvakanaka, chekutanga, ndatenda nekuve neni, Chris. Rukudzo kuva pano. Kunyangwe vazhinji vevanhu vawakataura munhanganyaya iyoyo, vaive magamba angu pandakatanga nekutanga, uyezve zvishoma nezvishoma ndakasvika pasi pezvinhu, ndikaziva kuti masisitimu akashanda sei. Asi hongu, uri kutaura chokwadi kuti censorship haisi itsva. Lenny Bruce, kune avo vasingazive, akadzingwa kurufu rwake. Ndinoreva kuti, akasungwa panenge pachinhanho chega chega chaaizosvika pakupera kwehupenyu hwake, nekuda kwemazwi ake, achipokana nechitendero, nekupikisa hurumende, kuseka mapurisa. Akanga asingakwanisi kurarama. Akadzingwa. Vakatyisidzira nzvimbo yake nekumutorera rezinesi redoro. Iye pakupedzisira OD'ed.
Saka ichi hachisi chitsva, asi ndinofunga chave kunyanya kunyengedza ikozvino, nekuti paive neboka rakasarudzwa revarindi vemikova kumashure paive nematanho matatu eTV. Uye saka neimwe nzira, zvinhu zvakazaruka. Iwe unogona ikozvino kuve neruzivo urwu rwese uye rwunosvikika uye vanoseka kubva kupi vanogona kuenda kuhutachiona paYouTube uye zvinhu. Asi kana ukasvika kure zvakakwana uye kushoropodza kwako kwakasimba zvakakwana, hausi kuzogamuchirwa mune izvo zvinotengeswa zvakanyanya. Iwe uchadziviswa kubva kwavari. Unozosundirwa kubva munzira. Avo vachiripo, vanhu veComedy Central nguva dzose, vanhu vari pazviratidzwa zvehusiku izvi, vakaita dhiri nemakambani kuti havasi kuzonyatsovabvunza nenzira yakakura. Vanogona kunge vaine mutsara mudiki pano kana uko, asi ivo havazosvika pamwoyo weiyo inverted yehudzvanyiriri system yatinayo.
Chris Hedges:
Taura nezvaBill Hicks. Ndimi makaita kuti nditarise Bill Hicks. Aive akangwara, asi muenzaniso weizvozvo.
Lee Camp:
Iye muenzaniso wakanaka chaiwo weโฆ ngano yake yakura. Aizivikanwa asi asina mukurumbira muAmerica paakafa. Ndinofunga kuti akanga ari 1994. Aizivikanwa zvikuru muBritain panguva iyoyo, kunyange zvazvo akanga ari muAmerica. Asi ngano yake yanyatsokura nekuti aitaura zvinhu nezvekupinda kwedu muIraq kuhondo yekutanga yeIraq yakabata yechipiri. โTinoziva sei kuti vane WMD? Nekuti tine marisiti,โ ndiyo yaive mitsetse yake. Ndidzo dzaive mhando yezvinhu zvakazoita kuti aongororwe. Yake yekupedzisira Letterman haina kuridza zvine mukurumbira, kunyangwe iye akaitepa uye ivo havana kuiburitsa. Asi akataura zvinhu zvakakosha uye akateedzera makambani aya, akaenda mushure mekushambadzira uye nemabatiro aanoita meseji. Uye akazviita nenzira yakanyatsounza vateereri vakawanda nekuseka. Zvakanga zvisina kuita sekunge ari kurasikirwa nemunhu wese uye aisaseka. Aisekesa zvisingaite. Uye saka ngano yake yakakura chaizvo uye iye zvino ari padivi paGeorge Carlin nevamwe ivavo.
Chris Hedges:
Tinofanira kutaura nezvaCarlin nekuti anoita kunge aine basa rakabudirira asi akabatirira kurudzi irworwo rwekugona kuseka nzvimbo chaidzo dzesimba.
Lee Camp:
Ehe. Aive nebasa rinonakidza zvisingaite nekuti pakutanga, uye iyi ndiyo nziraโฆ Takataura nezvevachengeti vemikova nguva yapfuura. Kana waizobvunza zvinhu, zvinhu zvakadzama, waifanira kutanga waita mukurumbira uchiita komedhi yakachena yaitenderwa paEd Sullivan Show nezvimwe zvakadaro. Richard Pryor naGeorge Carlin mienzaniso mishoma, vakawanaโฆ naLenny Bruce, vakave nemukurumbira vachiita iyo yakachena, yakanaka mhuri inosetsa iyo yavaizobvumira pamitambo yehusiku kana mitambo yakasiyana-siyana. Zvino vakabva vatanga kubvunza zvinhu ivo pachavo, uye zvakange zvave kunonoka kuhurongwa. Lenny Bruce akanga atova nemukurumbira zvikuru. George Carlin, ane mukurumbira wakanyanya. Asi system yakabva yaona Lenny Bruce was a risk ndokubva vatanga kumudzingirira nekumusunga.
Carlin, shanduko yake huru akaziva kuti anga asiri iye, akange asiri kuvhurika. Aiita iyi komedhi yakachena, uye aive nekuchinja kunoshamisa kwaaizvivenga uye akachinja zvese, akatanga kushandisa mazwi ekutuka pachikuva, izvo zvakaita kuti adzingwe kubva kumagigi ake ese eVegas, magigi anobhadhara. Uye kwemakore mashoma aingowana chouviri. Asi ipapo tsika yakatendeuka, kamwe kamwe akaremekedzwa nekuve rudzi rwekusundidzira chiremera uye kusundira kupokana nezvirambidzo izvi uye akave nemukurumbira zvakare. Asi panguva iyoyo, akange asiri kunyatsotevera nyika yehondo isingaperi kana humambo hweAmerica. Ndiko kwaisava kushoropodza kwake. Pane kudaro, kwaiva kutuka kwakanga kwakaoma uye kwakaenda kuDare Repamusorosoro. Yakanga iri nyaya yeDare Repamusorosoro rekuti mashoko ake ekutuka ainzwika here panhepfenyuro dzedu.
Asi pakupedzisira, uye ini handinzwi vanhu vazhinji vachitaura pfungwa iyi, uye chikonzero chaakabvumirwa kuita izvi ndechokuti HBO yaiva chinhu chiduku, chitsva, chakanga chiri kubhadhara-kwakavakirwa. Pakanga pasina chaizvo kunyoreswa-kwakavakirwa terevhizheni yakaitika zvisati zvaitika. Uye akapihwa aya madhiri akakosha kwaaive asingazvidavirire kune chero kushambadzira kwemakambani. Vakamuisa kumusoro uko nekuti aive George Carlin. Akaita kufarira gumi uye ivo vaingoda kuti vanhu vanyore. Saka aikwanisa kusveerera fenzi oita chero zvaaida uye aizviita kusvika pakufa kwake. Uye akabudisa mamwe ehungwaru uye anotyisa, ehushe hweAmerica, majee ekuti, "Oo, isu tiri shasha pakubhomba vanhu vebrown." Ndidzo dzaive mhando dzemabhii aive asati ambonzwa neAmerica. Chikonzero chaakatenderwa chaive A, nekuti aive nemukurumbira zvisati zvaitika, uye B, nekuti aive ari pakunyorera kwete pachikuva chekambani. Mazuvano, HBO, zvisinei haisati ichizove nevanhu vanobvunza Israeri kana kubvunza humambo hweAmerica.
Chris Hedges:
Zvinoita sekuti makomiki, nekuti akatsigira masimba emakambani, vashambadziri vakaramwa kushoropodza zvakanyanya bato reDemocratic Party nekuti imhando yemakodhi ane divi rimwe cheteโฆ Ivo vakazviita ivo pachavo kusashanda zvachose. Ndinofunga kumashure kune, kune memoir inoshamisa nemushumiri weLutheran, Martin Niemรถller anozviwana ari mumusasa wevasungwa weDachau, ndinotenda kuti aive Niemรถller, nevaridzi ve cabaret kubva kuBerlin vakaparadza vaNazi mu cabaret, mumitambo ye cabaret. Asi chokwadika, vaive vasiri kutevera hurumende yehutongi isingashande iyo yaisaziva kubata nekudonha kubva muKuderera Kukuru kana kuti yakabvisa inishuwarenzi yekurovha. Yakanga iri rudzi rwakafanana rweโฆ Uye nekuti ivo vaishanda zvine hunyoro vakamiririra sisitimu, vaive vasina chero chimiro chezvematongerwo enyika. Ini ndinofunga iwe unobvuma kuti irwo rudzi rwekufananidza kwezviri kuitika pano.
Lee Camp:
Ehe. Vanhu vanogona kutarisa pazviratidzwa zvehusiku izvi, Colbert, et cetera, voti, โUnorevei? Vanoseka vatongi nguva dzose. Vanogona kutoโฆโ Handina kumbovatarisa nguva pfupi yadarika. "Vanogona kutoseka Biden," asi kunyangwe vari kuseka Biden naTrump zvakaenzana, izvo zvavasiri, zvakatonyanya kuremerwa naTrump, asi chero nzira, vari kuseka izvi. level critiques. Saka ari kuita mbeveve, akawira pasi. Haisati iri iyo system yakanyorwa yakakura, haisati iri humambo hweAmerica, haisi hondo isingaperi. Saka chero iwe uine vanhu vanofunga, "Ah, izvi zvinosetsa, tiri kuseka vatongi, tiri kuita izvi zvinosemesa," tisingambosvika panzvimbo ino, kusambosvika kutsoropodzo dzinogona kunyatso shanduka. zvinhu, uchiri kushandira iyo system yese.
Chris Hedges:
Unodzokera kumaGreek, komedhi aive Aristophanes uye ndinoreva, aya aive ezvematongerwo enyika [inaudible 00:11:41] uye aya aiveโฆ uye vaizobvisa mutongo, kutungamira kweAtene. Mumutambo wechiGiriki, komedhi yaive nebasa rakakosha rezvematongerwo enyika. Iwe neni tese taive paRT. Iwe waive neshoo huru paRT uye wakaita zvese izvi. Ndinoda kuti iwe utaure mupfungwa dzako izvo komedhi huru inofanira kuita.
Lee Camp:
Ehe. Ini ndinofunga inofanirwa kuita kuti simba ritye, ndinofunga ndicho chinangwa chekupedzisira. Kana vachigona kugara ipapo pachikuva, sezvavanoita paWhite House press corps dinners voseka newe, saka zviri pachena kuti hausi kutyisidzira. Zviripachena, hausi kurova zvinhu izvo simba rinotya kuti richabuda kune vanhu. Ndizvo chaizvo izvo radical komedhi iri kutsvaga kugadzira kunyangwe idiki shanduko inofanirwa kuita. Isu hatizviwane kubva kune vakawanda vevatambi vane mukurumbira vanogona kudoma nevanhu pamitambo yavo yehusiku yeTV. Uye pane zvikonzero zviviri zveizvi. Imwe ndeyekuti vazhinji vevanhu ava, vangave vasina kuzvidzidzisaโฆ Havana kuverenga mabhuku ako, Chris. Havana kuzvidzidzisa zvakakwana kuti vasvike ipapo kuti vanonzwisisa rudzi irworwo rwekutsoropodza kana kana vaine, vanonzwisisa kuti hurongwa hweterevhizheni hunoshanda sei, vanonzwisisa kuti haugari ipapo kwenguva refu kana uri kuita tsinhiro idzodzo. Ndinoreva, gehena, ini ndanga ndiri pane network yanga isiri kana network yakakura uye ndichiri show yangu uye show yako zvakazotongerwa rufu. Uye-
Chris Hedges:
Zvakanaka, ngatijekese, ese mashow aive paYouTube akadzimwa.
Lee Camp:
Ehe. Kwandiri, pamusoro pemavhidhiyo e2000, ingori bhuku redhijitari rinopisa zvese zvaivepo. Uye zvinosuruvarisa, kwete kuti ndinofarira kuzviona zvichiitika, zvinosuruvarisa, izvo zvinoreva kuti critiques dzedu dzaive dzakabudirira uye dzaityisidzira kune vane simba.
Chris Hedges:
Ngatitaure nezve zvimwe zvezvinhu zvawakwanisa kutaura pachiratidziro icho chisingagone kutaurwa mumazhinji.
Lee Camp:
Zvakanaka, ini ndinogara ndichida kutaura iyo pfungwa, nekuti vanhu vanofunga kuti uri paRT, unoudzwa zvekutaura, sewe iwe neni tichigona kuudza vanhu, ini handina kumboudzwa zvekutaura. Ndakanyora mazwi angu ese, ayo ezviratidziro zvekomedhi haanzwike. Vanhu ava vese vane zvikwata zvevanyori. handina. Ndakanyora izwi rega rega uye handina kumboongororwa. Zvino zvave kutaurwa, ndinogona kutevera zvinhu zvakavanzwa zvachose kubva kune vezvenhau, zvinhu zvakaita seIsrael iri muhudzvanyiriri, zvinhu zvakaita seAg hombe. Ndinoreva, kangani iwe unonzwa kutsoropodzwa kweag hombe, iyo inodzora hurumende yedu uye ndeimwe yevaparadzi vakakura kwezvakatipoteredza pasi pano.
Kutsoropodza kwemasangano mazhinji emakambani, angave ari Cargill kana Monsanto kana Nestlรฉ. Uye kwete kungovatevera nekamwe kajee, asi kuvatevera nenzira yakadzika uye chaiyo. Kupa vanhu muenzaniso wemashandiro azvinoita kune mamwe manetwork, iro iri peji rimwechete mubhuku rose rakanyorwa nezveDaily Show iro rakandipfupisa uye ragara rakamira neni. Jon Stewart achangopedza Daily Show, vakaburitsa bhuku, handiyeuki kuti rainzi chii, asi nekubvunzurudzwa kwese uye zvese zvichiratidza kuti Daily Show yakashanda sei, mashandiro emukati.
Ndakaona zvichinakidza, asi rimwe peji vanoenda, "Ini ndaive mukomana ..." pakanga paine mumwe munhu aitungamira kana show ichida kuseka mutsigiri wekambani kana mumwe munhu ari pasi peamburera yeimwe yekambani. vatsigiri, munhu uyu aishandira Daily Show aifonera kambani iyoyo oedza kuvanyengetedza kuti zvakanaka kusekwa. Hazvina mhosva kusekwa paDaily Show. Chirevo chakajeka ndechekuti kana iyo kambani ikati kwete, haisi kuenderera ipapo. Saka fungidzira mwero wemakambani akasungirirwa neimwe nzira kuViacom, Comcast, ese ayo, ese masangano. Kana vasingade kusekwa paDaily Show, saka havazodaro. Zvakanaka, ipapo Daily Show haigone kutsoropodza hafu yevaridzi venyika ino. Zvinopenga kuita senge, "Isu tiri chiratidziro chinoshoropodza mashandiro anoita America, tichiedza kuratidza vanhu chimiro chemukati uye isu hatigone kushoropodza hafu yehurongwa."
Chris Hedges:
Zvakanaka, ivo vanogonawo kudhonza kushambadzira.
Lee Camp:
Ehe. Ehe.
Chris Hedges:
Ngatitaurei nezve tsika yakamutswa mucomedy.
Lee Camp:
Zvingave zvakanaka kana zvakaipa?
Chris Hedges:
Ndichakurega uchipinda mugomba renyoka.
Lee Camp:
Ndine maonero akasiyana pane izvi. Ini ndinofunga kazhinji, hongu, zvakakuvadza zvakawanda zvekomedhi mukuti vanhu vangangove, ndingati ndagumburwa zviri nyore. Vanongonzwa ruzha uye vanosarudza kuti munhu uyu haafanire kubvumidzwa kutaura pachikuva kana pachiratidziro zvakare. Saka zvapfuura, zvachose. Zvisinei, ini-
Chris Hedges:
Unogona kundipa mimwe mienzaniso kana muenzaniso?
Lee Camp:
Ndinofunga muenzaniso ungave kana ... iwe unofanirwa kufunga nezvese kuseka. Saka vamwe vanhu vanozonzwa kuti jee rinoshandisa izwi rekuti ngochani kana kushandisa izwi rekuti obese kana chimwe chinhu ivo voti, "Zvakaipa. Ari kuita dambeโฆโ Zvakanaka, asi jee rese rakaseka avo here? Handizive. Ini ndinofunga iwe unofanirwa kutora iyo joke yese uye chimiro chayo uye zvese mu account uye vanhu havaite izvozvo. Vanongonzwa izwi voti, "Handifarire kuti izwi iri rakashandiswa." Saka kwandiri, izvo zviri kuzvitora zvakanyanya. Nekudaro, ini ndodawo kutaura kuti unonzwa zvakawanda, kazhinji-vane mapapiro ekurudyi, asi vazhinji vevanyanyi vanoita sekunge vari kudzimwa nekuti mumwe munhu agumbuka. Uye zvakaita sekuti, aiwa, vanhu vanewo kodzero yekugumburwa. Kana iwe ukanzwa mutambi anogumbura iwe uye iwe ukabuda kunze kwechiratidziro, ndiyo kodzero yako. Waive nekodzero yekugumburwa uye wakagumburwa. Zvino kutaura kuti, "Ndinoda kuve nechokwadi kuti munhu uyu haana basa," idanho rakanyanyisa, kazhinji kutaura.
Ndinofunga mativi ose ari kutadza pane izvi. Ini ndinofunga iyo pendulum inowanzo tenderera ichidzokera kumashure munhoroondo yeAmerica. Paive nenguva apo blackface yaive yakajairika pamatanho eAmerica, uye zvino hazvisizvo, uye zvinhu izvi zvinotenderera zvichienda mberi. Asi ini ndinofunga kuti nekuenda kure zvakanyanya, nekuita senge munhu anofanirwa kurasikirwa nebasa rake nekuti vakati joke rausingade, ndinofunga isu tinovhura nzvimbo iyo iko zvino hurukuro idzi dzisingagone kuitwa. Iwe unovhura nzvimbo iyo ikozvino inotonhorera kuti uone kuti vangani vanhu vaungagumbure. Uye saka ini handizive, ndine maonero asina kunaka pazviri uye zvinogona kukanganisa mativi ese, ndinofunga.
Chris Hedges:
Zvakadini naDave Chappelle nekuti akadaidzirwa izvi?
Lee Camp:
Ehe. Mapoinzi maviri pane izvi. Imwe, vanhu vanoti akanzurwa. Haana kuregererwa. Anoita $100 miriyoni pagore kana chero zvazvingava, $100 miriyoni inobata neNetflix. Izvi hazvina kukanzurwa. Unogona kuita nharo yekuti ndakadzimwa, kana iwe ukarasikirwa neYouTube yako uye podcast yako neTV yako show kamwechete, Dave Chappelle haana kukanzurwa. Saka kana vanhu vachiti mumwe munhu akadzimwa, ibenzi. Zvino, ndinoda here anti-trans comedy yake? Aiwa, ndinofunga yakaremara. Asi kana vanhu vachizvifarira, saka zvakanaka, vane kodzero yekunzwa iyo mhando yecomedy.
Nyaya yangu hombe, chokwadi, uye izvi hazvireve kuti anofanirwa kudzimwa, ndeyevanhu vese vakadzvinyirirwa munyika ino, ndinofunga, Dave Chappelle anoita seane dzimwe nguva ainetsekana nezve, zvevanhu vese vaneโฆ Panyaya dzese dzatingave tichitarisana nadzo, dzatingave tichirwira, vanhu vane mamirioni matanhatu vakafa kubva kuUS Global War pamusoro pekutyisa, idzo mhando dzezvinhu. Chokwadi, unogumbuka kuti vakachinja chiratidzo muimba yekugezera? Zvinoshamisa kuti ndiyo nyaya yako. Uye haisi nyaya yako chete, inyaya yako pane ina dzakatwasuka specials. Zvakafanana zvakajeka, une imwe mhando ye hangup kwausingakwanise kupfuura nayo.
Chris Hedges:
Saka chii chinoitika? Ndinoreva, komedhi inoenda pasi pevhu here? Ndinoreva kuti, vanhu vakaita sewe vari kuitei?
Lee Camp:
Ndinoreva, maererano nekuyedza kuramba ndichiburitsa zvinhu zvangu kunze uko, ndinoenderera mberi nekuita nzizi dzangu dzepamoyo. Ini ndinoedza uye kuve pamapuratifomu akawanda sezvandinogona kuti asadzime, kana kuti imwe yacho inogona kudzimwa uye ini ndichiri kunze uko. Asi hongu, ndinoreva kuti inguva yakaoma uye inguva ine njodzi kune idzi mhando dzechokwadi dzakanyanya kusetsa. Ndinovimba kuti zvinoenderera mberi uye vanhu havadaro ... pane zvakawanda zvekuzviongorora, ndinofunga zvinoenderera mberi. Vanhu vanonzwisisa kuti chii chichawana kurova kweYouTube uye vanomira kutaura izvo zvinhu. Uye izvo zvimwe zviri kutonyanya kutyisidzira pane kungodzima chiteshi nekutiโฆ hongu, zvakaitika kwandiri, asi izvo hazviitike zvakanyanya. Chii chinoitika kazhinji kazhinji pamapuratifomu ese aya vanhu vanotanga kuzviongorora, nekuti ivo, "Ah, haugone kubvunza izvozvo. Iwe haugone kutaura nezvePalestine. Iwe haugone kutaura pamusoro peizvi kana izvo. " Saka vakangomira kutaura nezvazvo, nekuti nei panjodzi papuratifomu yako?
Chris Hedges:
Saka iwe une dhizaini iyi kwaunenge uine akawanda mapuratifomu, asi iwe unogona kutaura zvishoma.
Lee Camp:
Mune mamwe maitiro, hongu.
Chris Hedges:
Zvakanaka, nekuti zvishandiso zvekuongorora, uye izvi zvakabuda mumafaira eTwitter, zvinobata ese enhau dzemagariro uye vanoraira, ivoโฆ zvakanangwa, ndosaka wanga wakanangwa uye nei ndakanangwa. Saka isu tinogona kunge tine kuwanda kwemapuratifomu, asi isu hatina rusununguko rwakakura.
Lee Camp:
Ehe. Iwe unogona kupedza nguva yakareba, makore mazhinji uchivaka mapuratifomu aya, kutsvaga vateveri vako vekomedhi kana kutsvaga vaverengi, uyezve inogona kuvharwa muminiti. Saka zvakaita sekunge uri kutamba whack-a-mole kuyedza kuโฆ kana ivo vari kutamba whack-a-mole vachiedza kukumisa. Asi hongu, ini handizive imwe nzira yekuzviita. Ini ndinofungidzira vazhinji vemakodhi vanozopedzisira vasimudza maoko mudenga voti, "Ndichaita imwe mhando yemakodhi." Nekuti zvirokwazvo ndinozvigona izvozvo, ndakapedza makore mashanu ekutanga ebasa rangu rekusetsa ndichiita komedhi yaisagumbura humambo. Asi mazuvano, handisi kumboona kudzokera pasi, handisi kuona kuzviita neimwe nzira. Kwandiri, mugwagwa wandinoda kufamba ndiwo une basa rekushoropodzwa, kwete kwandinongowana kuseka. Hongu, ndinoda kuseka, asi ndinodawo kunge ndichitaura nezvenyaya idzi dzakakosha zvikuru uye handisi kuona ndichisiya zvese izvo, pamwe vamwe vanoseka vanoita.
Chris Hedges:
Uye zvakadaro kune zvinokurudzira zvine simba zvemari. Ndinoreva, isu tose tinoziva makomiki aive paAir America uye aive akanyanyisa zvematongerwo enyika uye ari kuita zvakanaka kwazvo uye akazvidurura chero chirevo chezvematongerwo enyika zvachose.
Lee Camp:
Kana kuti vazvidure ivo pachavo mhando yezvematongerwo enyika comedy iyo inozoita kuti iwe uongororwe kana kumira. Ini ndinofunga kune vanhu vazhinji, uye zvinoendaโฆ zvinonakidza kuti zvakafanana sei nevatapi venhau. Ndinoreva, kune vatori venhau vazhinji vangangotanga kusimuka kumutsara iwoyo, vakaziva kuti chaive chii uye vakadzokera kumashure. Uye zvino unoenda, "Chii chakaitika kune zvakati nezvakati? Chii chakaitika kumutori wenhau iyeye chandairemekedza chaizvo uye zvava kuita kunge vari kuparura kuburitswa kwedhipatimendi rehurumende? โ Uye ndizvo, ndinofunga, vazhinji vavo vanosvika pamutsara iwoyo uye vanoona, โO, uku ndiko kwandinogona kuenda. Uye kana ndikaenda ikoko, mari inotanga kuvharika, zvinzvimbo zvinotanga kuvharika uye zvinonyanya kunakidza pano nemabhegi ese emari. "
Chris Hedges:
Saka kana iwe uri mukuru, pane madingindira anowirirana here? Inodzokera shureโฆ uye iwe unoziva zvakanyanya pamusoro peizvi kupfuura ini, kudzokera kune yako pachako? Iwe unowana mapatani akajairika pakati pemakomiki makuru?
Lee Camp:
Ehe, ndingati zvakawanda zvinodzokera mumunhu. Uye ini ndingati kune avo vanoti vane imwe comedy yezvematongerwo enyika mumaitiro avo, kazhinji angori mashoma majee aTrump kana zvinhu zvakadaro. Hazvisi kunyatsoenda zvakadzika kupfuura izvozvo. Semunyarikaniโฆ saka ndaigara muNew York uye ndanga ndiri pachikuva manheru ega ega esvondo, kazhinji mashoo matatu husiku, uye unoona zvinoseka kubva kune mhomho, asi unoonawo zvichakuita kuti urongedze nguva idzi. mashoo ehusiku. Unoona vaunoshanda navo, vaunogara navo mukusetsa, unoona, โAa, murume iyeye akasarudzwa kusvika pakati pehusiku, murume iyeye akasarudzwaโฆ Oo, munhu ari kupopota pamusoro pekuuraya kwatinoita vana mhiri kwemakungwa, uyo haasi kusarudzwa. pakati peusiku." Saka iwe unoona nzira, uye ndinofunga vamwe vanoseka vanoenda, "Ah, iyi ndiyo inoshanda."
Chris Hedges:
Zvakanaka, une mienzaniso. Randy Credico angave muenzaniso wakanaka. Aive, ndinofunga, mukuru, handiti?
Lee Camp:
Zvakanaka, uye Randy Credico, mumwe wezvaakataura zvakawanda mukurumbira, ndinoreva, iye zvino ari pachikwata chekuuraya cheUkraine, asi-
Chris Hedges:
Sezvandiri.
Lee Camp:
Uripowo here?
Chris Hedges:
NaRoger Waters.
Lee Camp:
Makorokoto. Asi tichidzokera kumakore ekuma80s, chimwe chezvaakataura kune mukurumbira ndechekuti akazviratidza pana Johnny Carson ndokuudza mamwe majee avaisada uye vanoti ndiye ega anoonekwa pana Johnny Carson ndokurasikirwa negigs nekuti aipikisa muAmerican. vanotonga vepamusoro nenzira isina mamwe makomiki. Saka hongu, Credico muenzaniso unonakidza.
Chris Hedges:
Ko komedhi yakakosha sei pakutsigira nzanga yakavhurika kana democracy?
Lee Camp:
Pamwe ndine rusarura, asi ndinofunga zvakakosha, asi inofanirwa kuve neaya mativi maviri. Pane komedhi inoshamisa isingashore chero chinhu. Pane abstract comedy. Kune vanosetsa vandakada, saSteven Wright naMitch Hedberg avo vanga vasingambotauri nezve chero chinhu chezvematongerwo enyika, hapana nezveโฆ uye hazvisi izvo zvekuti ndinofunga kuti komedhi yese inofanirwa kuve yakanyanyisa, edgy komedhi inoita kuti vanhu vafunge. Asi kana iwe uchizove mune kunyange zvishoma munzvimbo iyoyo kana kufunga kuti unozviita zvachose, saka maonero angu angave ekuti usangoite majee eTrump asina chaanochinja. Kana iwe waita sarudzo yekuti uchatora chimiro pazvinhu izvi, zviite.
Ndinofunga nzanga inoshanda inoda mativi ose iwayo. Ehe, iwe unofanirwa kuve neiyo komedhi, iyo abstract komedhi uye iyo isiri yezvematongerwo enyika komedhi. Zvakakosha. Vanhu vanoda kuseka. Vanoda kuongorora tsika dzavo, uye ndinofunga kuti zvose zvakakosha zvikuru. Asi iwe unofanirwawo kuve nerumwe rutivi. Uye kana ukasadaro, saka uri muchimiro chenharaunda ine hutongi husingakwanise kubata nekutsoropodza kwayo. Ndinofunga kuti pane gakava rakanaka rinofanira kuitwa rekuti vatongi vepamusoro havakwanisi kubata zvinotsoropodza sezvo humambo hunoputsika, sezvo zvinhu zvinonyanya kuoma.
Chris Hedges:
Zvakanaka, iwe tarisa, ndakafukidza nyika yeStasi muEast Germany. Ndinoreva kuita majee pamusoro pemudzvanyiriri wemakominisiti Honecker aizokuona uchipinda mutirongo, kunyangwe kushamwari. Ndizvo zvakaitikawo panguva yaStalin. Ndinoreva, kuti kana uchigara muโฆo, nemaNazi zvakare. Ndinoreva, ivo havana kana pfungwa yekuseka zvachose.
Lee Camp:
Rudyi.
Chris Hedges:
Zvakapedzwa.
Lee Camp:
Rudyi.
Chris Hedges:
Unogona kuita majee evanotambura kana vane dhimoni, asi kwete zvesimba.
Lee Camp:
Ndinoreva, handisi munyori wenhoroondo, asi pano zvaive zvakafanana nehunyanzvi apo-
Chris Hedges:
Hongu.
Lee Camp:
... kana mapikicha aishoropodza hurumende zvakajeka, ipapo-
Chris Hedges:
Uye mabhuku.
Lee Camp:
Uye mabhukuโฆ zvino iro raive dambudziko. Asi kana zvaive zvisiri izvo, saka-
Chris Hedges:
Rudyi. Zvakanaka, indasitiri yemafirimu yeGerman yakawedzera pasi pevaNazi, asi zvese zvaive nefuro, zvese zvaive zvekuvaraidza.
Lee Camp:
Rudyi. Rudyi.
Chris Hedges:
Ini ndinoshamisika kana kurwiswa kwevazhinji, izvo zvakanyanya anti-Trump, zvinopokana nekufamba kwenguva.
Lee Camp:
Kurwiswa kwevanhu vakuru-
Chris Hedges:
Kupesana naTrump, kugara vachirohwa kwaTrump nevatsigiri vake. Ndinoshamisika kana izvo pakupedzisira zvinopesana.
Lee Camp:
Ndinoreva, zvinogoneka. Ndinoziva kutiโฆ Saka zvinogona kukanganisa pakuti zvinoita kuti vateveri vake vafunge-
Chris Hedges:
Zvakanaka, kana yakawedzera-
Lee Camp:
"...Ndiri pamwe nemupanduki."
Chris Hedges:
Inowedzera kupatsanura. Vanovenga masangano zvakadaro ari kupa vanhu ava mapuratifomu.
Lee Camp:
Ehe. Inoitawo maRiberals, ayo asiri munyarikani chete, asi munzvimbo dzakawanda, anoita kuti maRiberals afunge, "Ah, tiri kurwa kurwa kwakanaka. Tiri kurwisana nemunhu akaipa. " Zvichakadaro, ivo vachafara, "Ah, zvakanaka, Biden, zvakanaka, haasi Trump." Zvichakadaro, akavharira vanhu vakawanda vatema nevatema kupfuura zvaimbotarisirwa naTrump.
Chris Hedges:
Ehe, hongu.
Lee Camp:
Majee aTrump anoita kuti maRiberals afunge kuti vari kuita zvakanaka, vari kurwisana nehuipi.
Chris Hedges:
Kana ivo vari kungowedzera kupokana, siled demographic. Pane here makomiki akakomba ane vatsigiri vakasimba vaTrump?
Lee Camp:
Ehe. Ndinoreva, ndichave ndakatendeseka, handisi kufambirana nezviri kuitwa nevana mazuva ano. Asi hongu, kwete, kune vashoma-vane mapapiro, asi ivo varipo. Ini ndinofunga kuti vazhinji vevatambi vekurudyi vandaiziva muNew York City mune inosetsa, vangave vari kure-kurudyi-bapiro kunze kwesiteji. Saka vaizvivanza pachikuva nekuti vaiziva kuti vateereri vaiwanzo dzokera shure kana iwe wakanyanya-bapiro rekurudyi, asi zvaive pachena kuti ndipo paive nemaonero avo epasirese kana vange vasiri panhandare. Saka ivo vaizivawo nzira yekuenda nayo kuti vagamuchirwe pamashoo ehusiku nezvimwe.
Chris Hedges:
Hukuru. Ndinoda kutenda Real News Network neboka rayo rekugadzira, Cameron Granadino, Adam Coley, David Hebden, naKayla Rivara. Unogona kundiwana pa chrishedges.substack.com.
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