David Barsamian ndiye woyambitsa wa Alternative Radio, pulogalamu yapawayilesi yosaphatikizidwa sabata iliyonse yomwe imamveka pamawayilesi ammudzi ku North America. Ena mwa mabuku ake akuphatikizapo Imperial Ambitions ndi Noam Chomsky, Eqbal Ahmad: Confronting Empire, ndi The Checkbook and the Cruise Missile: Zokambirana ndi Arundhati Roy. Kuyankhulana uku kudachitika m'mawa wadzuwa mu Okutobala 2005 ku Montreal.
KT: Ndinawerenga kuti munati "US ikapita kunkhondo, atolankhani amayenda nawo". Kodi mungafotokoze momveka bwino momwe media imagwirira ntchito nthawi zambiri?
DB: Makamaka ku United States komwe mabungwe asanu amalamulira zomwe anthu ambiri aku America amawona, kumva, ndi kuwerenga, mabungwewa ali ndi chuma chambiri, ndale, ndipo ndingayerekeze kunena kuti amalumikizana ndi mphamvu. Amadziwika ndi boma, ndipo amatsitsa makamera awo ndi maikolofoni awo kuti achite chidwi ndi boma. Makamaka m’nthaŵi yankhondo kumene kuli chipwirikiti chambiri, kugwedezeka kwa mbendera, ndi changu chautundu; zofalitsa, zofalitsa zambiri, osati zonse, zofalitsa zambiri zimadziwona ngati zida za tsogolo la America, chirichonse chomwe chingatanthauze, kapena mphamvu za America. Tidawona izi momveka bwino ndi Iraq ndi Afghanistan, komanso mbiri yakale, Nkhondo ya Vietnam, kuukira kwa Laos ndi Cambodia, izi sizinayesedwe kwa zaka zambiri. Atolankhani internalized mfundo zoyambira kuti amapangidwa ndi boma, kuti ndi dziko loterolo ndi chiwopsezo kwa United States, amene amakhala maziko a zokambirana, ndiyeno kukambirana, ndi zambiri monologue ndiye kukambirana, ndiye zimachitika. pakati pa akatswiri, pakati pa akatswiri, ochokera ku ma rolodex agolide awa ndi oganiza bwino, monga Michael Ignatieff waku Canada, David Frum, ndi ena. [Zokambiranazi za] Momwe mungagwiritsire ntchito mfundozi, ndiye kuti US iwukire Iraq ndi asitikali a 200,000 kapena asitikali a 150,000? Kodi iwukire kuchokera ku Turkey ndi Kuwait, kapena kuchokera ku Kuwait? Kodi payenera kukhala kampeni yophulitsa bomba koyambirira, kapena kampeni yamtunda? Uwu ndiye nkhani, ndiye mukuwona momwe zinthu ziliri ku United States, atolankhani satsutsa malingaliro oyambira, palibe amene anganene kuti “dziko la United States lili ndi ufulu wotani kulanda dziko lililonse malinga ndi malamulo apadziko lonse lapansi, osaloledwa' . Ndikupatsani chitsanzo, nyuzipepala ya New York Times imatengedwa kuti ndi nyuzipepala yaufulu, ndi nkhani zonse zomwe ziyenera kusindikizidwa, ndi mtundu wa US Global ndi Mail, nyuzipepala yaikulu ya dziko, osati kwa anthu wamba. , ndi ya mameneja ndi eni ake, ndi anthu apamwamba pa ndale ndi pachikhalidwe. Kuyambira pa Seputembara 11, 2001 mpaka kuukira kwa Iraq mu Marichi 2003, nyuzipepala ya New York Times inali ndi zolemba za 70 ku Iraq, m'modzi mwa olembawo sanatchulepo Charter ya United Nations, kapena ma Tribunals a Nuremberg, kapena Misonkhano Yachigawo ya Geneva. Zonsezi, makamaka Charter ya United Nations, imanena mwachindunji kuti kukonzekera ndi kumenyana ndi nkhondo yoopsa, ndiko kugunda koyamba kwa dziko lomwe silikuopsezani, ndilo chigawenga chachikulu chapadziko lonse lapansi. Tsopano, bwanji sanalembe zimenezo, chifukwa chiyani sanadziwitse owerenga awo, mwinamwake iwo samadziwa? Izo sizomveka, ndithudi iwo ankadziwa, izo zinasiyidwa mwadala kuti zambiri zisakhale mbali ya nkhani zandale.
KT: Kodi mukuwona izi ngati [zomwe zidachitika] m'maufumu am'mbuyomu, kuti media nawonso aziguba ndi [ufumu]?
DB: Chabwino, mbiri yakale ya zofalitsa monga momwe tikudziwira kuti si yakale kwambiri, tikhoza kubwerera ku kubadwa kwa zofalitsa zomwe zimachitikadi mu nthawi ya nkhondo yoyamba ya padziko lonse, kumene a British ndi America adayambitsa ntchito yovuta kwambiri kuti awononge anthu a ku Germany. Pankhani ya United States, bungwe lenileni lofalitsa nkhani zabodza linapangidwa ndi oyang'anira a Woodrow Wilson, munthu yemwe amadziwika kuti ndi womasuka m'mbiri ya US. Uku kunali kubadwa kwa, kwenikweni, zofalitsa zamakono. Owunikira monga Walter Lippman ndi Edward Bernays anali mamembala a bungwe limeneli lomwe limadziwika kuti Creel Commission, lomwe linalinganizidwa kuti lithandize dziko la United States kuti lilowe mu Nkhondo Yadziko I. Nkhondo yoyamba yapadziko lonse itatha, chapakati pa zaka za m'ma 1920 pamene Hitler analemba buku lake lakuti Mein. Kampf (Kulimbana Kwanga), adawonetsa kuti Germany idatayadi nkhondo yabodza, adadzigwira okha pankhondo, koma pamlingo wabodza, adathedwa nzeru kwambiri ndikugonjetsedwa ndi Briteni ndi America. Ndipo adalonjeza mu nkhondo yotsatira, kuti Germany idzachita zinthu mosiyana, ndipo ndithudi iwo anachita zinthu mosiyana, iwo anakhazikitsa Utumiki wa Propaganda, iwo anali ndi propagandist wochenjera kwambiri monga mkulu wake Joseph Gerbils. Propaganda imafika pakukula kwake m'zaka za zana la 20. Tsopano m'zaka za 21st Century ndikukula kwa TV ndi zamagetsi. Nyengo iyi isanafike, zofalitsa zabodza zinali zongopeka komanso mwina zolemba zina ndi manyuzipepala angapo. Chingwe chamagetsi chamagetsi chinali chisanapangidwe mpaka pano, makamaka pogwiritsa ntchito kwambiri wailesi yakanema.
KT: Ndikudziwa kuti mudali ku Turkey posachedwa kupita ku Khoti Lapadziko Lonse pa Nkhondo ku Iraq, chinali chinthu chomwe sichinapezeke kumadzulo. Mwina mukhoza kuyankhula za izo ndi Tribunal palokha.
DB: Panali zowonera zoyera kapena zakuda, kutengera mtundu womwe mumakonda, ndikanena media ndikutanthauza media media. Panali nkhani zina m'manyuzipepala odziyimira pawokha ku United States. Ichi chinali chochitika chodabwitsa chomwe chinachitika ku Istanbul sabata yomaliza ya June 2005. Unali gawo la 20 komanso lomaliza la makhoti angapo omwe achitika padziko lonse lapansi, New York, London, Rome, ndi mizinda ina. Kukumana ku Iraq, ndikuwonetsa maumboni ndi mafotokozedwe, panali bwalo lamilandu ku Istanbul lomwe linali ndi Arundhati Roy waku India, wanzeru Chandra Muzaffar waku Malaysia, Eve Ensler waku United States yemwe amadziwika kuti ndiye wolemba Vagina Monologues, ndi anthu ena amtunduwu. caliber, chidwi kwambiri. Anamva, tidamva umboni wochokera kwa anthu osiyanasiyana, kuphatikiza Samir Amin waku Egypt, Denis Halliday waku Ireland yemwe kale anali Deputy Security General wa United Nations komanso m'modzi mwa oyang'anira pulogalamu yoyipa ya Food-for-Oil, adasiya ntchito chifukwa. adati zilangozo zikupha anthu aku Iraq osalakwa. Wolowa m'malo mwake analinso ku Istanbul akupereka umboni Hans Van Sponeck, nayenso adasiya ntchito potsutsa, adati pulogalamu iyi sikuthandizira anthu aku Iraqi wamba, ikuwapha, analipo akuchitira umboni. Panali ma Iraqi ambiri omwe adachokera ku Iraq, kudutsa ku Turkey. Dahr Jamail anali komweko, mtolankhani wodziyimira pawokha wodabwitsa, wosaphatikizidwa, waku Lebanon wa m'badwo wachitatu kumbali ya abambo ake, yemwe adaganiza kuti nkhondo ya Iraq idayamba mu Marichi 2003 adanyansidwa ndikudabwa kwambiri ndi zomwe adafalitsa, kapena kusowa kwa nkhani, atolankhani ku United States, adaganiza zopita ku Iraq. Iye si mtolankhani.
KT: Mbiri yake inali yotani isanakwane?
DB: Iye anali kuchita ntchito zosamvetsetseka, kwenikweni anali atakhalapo ku Colorado monga mphunzitsi wa ski, kenako anapita ku Alaska kukakwera mapiri, anali kuchita zinthu zodabwitsa. Iye ndi wamaluwa mochedwa, ali ndi zaka za m'ma 30, adaganiza zokhala mtolankhani, zomwe ndimaganiza kuti zinali zanzeru, zinagwirizana ndi zomwe ndakumana nazo, ndili ngati wamaluwa mochedwa, sindinatero. Yambani kugwira ntchito yamtunduwu mpaka nditadutsa zaka zapakati kapena mochedwa 30, ndimachita zinthu zina, kusewera sitar, kuphunzitsa Chingerezi ngati chilankhulo chachiwiri ku World Trade Center, ntchito zotere. Ndinaona kuti zinali zosangalatsa kwambiri kuti Dahr anangonyamuka kupita ku Iraq ndikufotokozera zomwe zinkachitika kumeneko. Choncho awa adali ena mwa anthu amene adali kupereka umboni. Haifa Zangana anali komweko, wochokera ku Iraq. Azimayi angapo a ku Iraq anapereka umboni wa zomwe zinkachitika, momwe nkhondoyo inkakhudzira makamaka akazi. Ndipo kotero Tribunal idakumana ku Istanbul, idakonzedwa ndi anthu aku Turkey, idachita bwino kwambiri. Ndiyenera kukuuzani kuti dera la Tribunal linali lofunika kwambiri, linali mu mint yakale ya Ottoman Sultan mu nyumba yawo yachifumu yotchedwa Topkapi. M'nyumba ya Topkapi Palace, yomwe tsopano ndi malo akuluakulu oyendera alendo, timbewu tating'onoting'ono tating'onoting'ono tawonongeka, sinakonzedwenso. Apa tinali kukumana m’nyumba imene penti inali kusenda ndipo njerwa zinali kugwa, zinali zophiphiritsa kwambiri chifukwa apa panali mabwinja a ufumu wakale, ndipo tsopano tikulankhula za kuwonongedwa kwa ufumu wina, ufumu wina umene udzagwa. ufumu wa US. Anthu sakanakhoza kuphonya chophiphiritsa cha izo. Khotilo lidapereka chilengezo chomaliza, silinapeze United States yokha yolakwa pamilandu yankhondo, koma United Kingdom, boma la Tony Blair, Berlusconi ndi Italy, John Howard waku Australia, mayiko onse omwe adachita nawo zigawenga izi. Iraq, zomwe zinali zoyembekezeredwa. Panali zigamulo zina zingapo zomwe oweruza adapereka zomwe zinali zodabwitsa kwambiri. Monga momwe ndikudziwira kwa nthawi yoyamba m'mbiri, atolankhani adasankhidwa kuti ali ndi mlandu, zofalitsa zamakampani zidakhala ndi udindo wokhala chothandizira kunkhondo. Munjira yotani? Iwo adakhala ngati lamba wotumizira mabodza omwe maboma a Howard, Bush, Blair, ndi Berlusconi anali kupanga, ndipo adangowabwereza. Sanawatsutse, sanawafunse mafunso, sanawafunse mafunso. Ndipo nthawi zina ngakhale atolankhani adatchulidwa, monga Judith Miller wa The New York Times, wina yemwe adakhala pakamwa pa Ahmed Chalabi, wa ku Iraq wolemera kwambiri, yemwe adachoka ku Iraq pambuyo pa kugonjetsedwa kwa ufumu wa Hashemite mu 1958. Anali wochokera kubanja lolemera kwambiri la Shia, adakhala ku ukapolo, ndipo adakhala ndi mbiri yachinyengo komanso yachigawenga, adaweruzidwa kuti akakhale m'ndende zaka 20 ku Jordan, chifukwa chophwanya malamulo chifukwa chobera komanso kubera banki kumeneko ku Amman. . Uyu ndi munthu yemwe anali kupereka chidziwitso kwa Judith Miller za zida zowononga anthu ambiri, anali asanakhale ku Iraq zaka 50, anali kupanga nkhani zenizeni. Ndipo Miller, mwamanyazi ndi manyazi ake, sanatsutsepo chidziwitsocho, sanafunsepo umboni wokwanira wotsimikizira izi. Chifukwa chake atolankhani adakhala olakwa, komanso mabungwe monga Halliburton ndi Bechtel omwe apindula kwambiri pakuwukira kwa Iraq ndi ntchito yomwe ikupitilira. Komanso makampani ena otchuka apadziko lonse lapansi monga Pepsi, Nestle, KFC, omwe apindula ndi nkhondoyi. Chifukwa chake chinali chitukuko chosangalatsa, ndipo ndikuganiza gawo lofunikira kwambiri la World Tribunal pa Iraq. Anthu amatha kuwerenga pazokambirana ndi chigamulo chomaliza, pali masamba omwe ine ndikutsimikiza, ngati mutayang'ana google World Tribunal pa Iraq mutha kuzipeza. Zinali zochitika zokhumudwitsa kwambiri, kumbali imodzi, komanso zolimbikitsa kwambiri.
KT: Ndinkafuna kuwerenga china chake kuchokera kwa Hakim Bey kuchokera m'buku lake la Temporary Autonomous Zone, akulemba kuti:
"Kum'mawa, olemba ndakatulo nthawi zina amaponyedwa m'ndende - kuyamikira, chifukwa zikusonyeza kuti wolembayo wachita chinachake chenicheni monga kuba, kugwiriridwa kapena kusintha. Apa olemba ndakatulo amaloledwa kufalitsa chilichonse - mtundu wa chilango, ndende yopanda mipanda, yopanda mawu, yopanda kukhalapo - mthunzi wosindikizidwa, kapena malingaliro osamveka - dziko lopanda chiopsezo kapena eros.
"Choncho ndakatulo yafanso - ndipo ngakhale mumia kuchokera mtembo wake atakhalabe ndi machiritso, kuukitsa akufa si imodzi mwa izo."
Alakatuli a Kum'maŵa amatha kugwedeza anthu, koma kuno kungatenge chiyani kuti agwedeze anthu?
DB: Ku United States, anthu ayamba kuzindikira, anthu kumeneko alibe chidziwitso, sadziwa zomwe boma likuchita nthawi zambiri. Zimachitika pakapita nthawi, ndikuwona kuthekera kwa kusintha, ndikufanizira ndi marathon ndi sprint. Marathon ndi mpikisano wautali kwambiri. Ndipo sprint ndi mpikisano waufupi kwambiri womwe ndi wovuta kuti apambane ndipo umafunika kuwongolera komanso kuphunzitsidwa bwino, ndipo ndi 100m chabe tinene. Pamene marathon ndi makilomita ambiri. Chifukwa chake tikuyenera kupanga zoulutsira zodziyimira pawokha, tikuyenera kupanga makanema athu, zomwe ndili wokondwa kunena kuti zikuchitika, tili ndi ndakatulo zotsutsana koma alibe omvera ambiri ku US. Ndikufuna ndikupatseni chitsanzo cha kulimba mtima kwakukulu ku United States, Sharon Olds adalemekezedwa posachedwa, ndi pulofesa komanso wolemba ndakatulo ku New York University, adalemekezedwa ndi National Book Critics Award, adaitanidwa ku Washington DC ndi Laura Bush kuti akakhale nawo pa chakudya chamadzulo ndi miyambo ina. Adalemba kalata yolankhula momveka bwino kuti, 'Ndikadapatsidwa ulemu, ndidalakalaka nditapitako, koma lingaliro lonyema mkate ndi inu ndikukhala patebulo lokhala ndi nsalu ndi makandulo ndikutumikiridwa ndi operekera chakudya linali lonyansa komanso lodabwitsa, chifukwa. za manyazi anji amene mwabweretsa ku United States ndi mwazi uli m’manja mwanu ndi amuna anu m’manja chifukwa cha zochita zaupandu za boma.’ Alakatuli ndi amisiri nthaŵi zonse akhala ali mzere woyamba wa kutsutsa, zimene m’mbiri yakale zakhala zowona kwambiri m’mbiri ya anthu. Kum'maŵa kumene mwambo wapakamwa ndi wamphamvu kwambiri, m'mayiko achiarabu a Middle East, ku Turkey, ku Iran, ku Afghanistan, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, pakhala mwambo wa olemba ndakatulo omwe amatsutsa mphamvu, omwe amalankhula zoona ku mphamvu, funsani nzeru zodziwika bwino, kuganiza kwanthawi zonse, ndi malingaliro apamwamba. Kukulitsa chikhalidwe cha kukana kumafuna pang'ono pang'ono chitukuko cha mkati ndi kukhwima kwa chikhalidwe cha anthu, zomwe simukuziwona zambiri mwatsoka ku United States, osati kudutsa gulu lonse, pali matumba otsutsa ku US, ku Berkley, mu Madison, komwe ndimakhala ku Boulder, ku Albuquerque, m'mizinda yosiyanasiyana kuzungulira US. Koma chifukwa cha nkhani zabodza, chisonkhezero cha wailesi yakanema ndi wailesi yakanema, ndi dongosolo la maphunziro limene siliphunzitsa kwenikweni, limene limalimbikitsa m’malo mophunzitsa, limene siliphunzitsa ophunzira kugwetsa, siliphunzitsa ophunzira kukulitsa kuganiza mozama. ; tili ndi ntchito yambiri yoti tichite mkati mwa US pakukulitsa chidziwitso komwe tingathe kusintha momwe zinthu zilili kumeneko apo ayi izi zingopitirira kubwereza.
KT: Kodi mungalankhule zambiri za media ngati chida cha intifada kapena media ngati chida chotsutsa.
DB: Chabwino, zofalitsa ndi chida chofunikira kwambiri chotsutsa, chifukwa popanda chidziwitso, komanso popanda mgwirizano umene chidziwitsocho chimapereka, ndiye kuti anthu ali pachiopsezo cha kugwiriridwa, kulamulira ndi kugonjetsa. Tiyenera, ife - anthu otsutsa, anthu otsutsana ndi ufumu - tifunika kulimbikitsa kulumikizana kwamagetsi, mawaya, tifunika kumanga mawaya, tiyenera kupanga kugwirizana pakati pa makompyuta athu, ma minidisk athu, ndi makamera athu, ndi mindandanda yathu ya imelo ndi mawebusayiti athu, kuti apange intifada yamagetsi ngati titero, kulimbana ndi kuwongolera kwamakampani pazofalitsa zomwe zikuyesera kukhazikitsa kuvomerezeka kwa ufumu ndi ulamuliro. Timawona m'madera osiyanasiyana a dziko lapansi, opanga mafilimu akugwira ntchito pansi pa zovuta kwambiri, owulutsa mawailesi akupanga mawailesi ammudzi, wailesi ya FM yamphamvu yochepa (chimenechi ndi chitukuko chofunikira kwambiri), TV yofikira pa chingwe, zonsezi, zofalitsa, nkhani, pa- ma line ndi opanda intaneti. Intaneti yokha yakhala chida chachikulu, koma tiyenera kudziwa momwe tingachigwiritsire ntchito moyenera, apo ayi tikhoza kungoikidwa m'manda pansi pa ma e-mail ndi mitsinje yosatha ya encyclopaedia ya chidziwitso, timafunikira chidziwitso chomwe chingayambitse kuchitapo kanthu, chomwe chikhoza kuyatsa a kukana mu njira konkire. Zomwe zikuchitikazi ndizosangalatsa kwambiri, ndili ndi chiyembekezo, ndili wokondwa kwambiri kuwona, ndikukondwera kuwona achinyamata omwe adziwa bwino zofalitsa zatsopano ndipo akufuna kuzigwiritsa ntchito m'njira zopangira. Mwachitsanzo, Jehane Noujaim wachichepere waku Egypt waku America, adapanga zolemba zabwino kwambiri pa Al-Jazeera yotchedwa Control Room. Palinso achinyamata ena [opanga mafilimu], osati ku United States kokha, koma tinene kuti Ireland, achinyamata awiri opanga mafilimu a ku Ireland anapanga zopelekedwa bwino kwambiri pofuna kugwetsa boma la Hugo Chavez ku Venezuela mothandizidwa ndi a US, osankhidwa mwademokalase ndiyenera kunena. Imatchedwa The Revolution sipadzakhala TV. Izi ndizochitika zatsopano, pali mawebusayiti ambiri pa intaneti omwe ndi ofunikira kwambiri, komwe ndimapezako zambiri. Mutha kuphunzira zomwe zikuchitika ku India pankhani yokana madamu akulu omwe World Banks ikuyesera kuyika dzikolo, Narmada Bachao Andolan - NBA - ndi chitsanzo chabwino kwambiri cha bungwe loyambira lomwe lili pakati pa India omwe tsopano apeza kuwonekera kwapadziko lonse lapansi chifukwa cha makanema ojambula, chifukwa cha ntchito za Arundhati Roy ndi ena ambiri, omenyera ufulu padziko lonse lapansi, omwe akuthandizira kukana kwa anthu polimbana ndi kudalirana kwa mayiko.
KT: Kodi mungalankhule za momwe chidziwitso chanu chandale chinakhalira?
DB: Chabwino sindingathe kulozera ku chinthu chimodzi, silinali buku limodzi, kapena chiwonetsero chimodzi chomwe ndidapitako. Ndikuganiza kuti maganizo anga andale amachokera kumudzi kwathu ndipo kuti ndife Achiarmeniya. M'mbiri, takhala m'dziko lathu, lomwe tsopano ndi kum'mwera chakum'mawa kwa Turkey kwa zaka zikwi zambiri. Mu 1915 panali chiwembu chachikulu chomwe boma la Turkey linachita, tinataya zonse, tinagwetsedwa, nyumba zathu zinasiyidwa, minda yathu, maseminale athu, nyumba zosungiramo mabuku, mipingo yathu, miyambo yathu ya chikhalidwe, tinasiyana kotheratu ndi zimenezo. ndi kungoponyedwa. Pankhani ya banja langa, amayi adataya anthu ambiri a m'banja lawo, tinataya zonse, ndipo adapezeka ku New York monga alendo, bambo anga anali grocer, amayi anga anandilera, ndinali ndi azichimwene ake atatu, analipo anayi. a ife, otsika apakati. Nthawi zonse ndimafuna kudziwa chifukwa chake izi zidachitika, ndipo banja langa linali anthu wamba, anali ochokera kumudzi, sanali otsogola, osaphunzira, samadziwa zomwe zidawachitikira. Tsiku lina kunachitika chimphepo chamkuntho, ndipo kunagwa chimphepo chamkuntho, ndipo iwo anatuluka m’nyumba yawo. Izo sizinandikhutiritse ine ndili mwana. Nthawi zonse ndimafunsa mafunso: chifukwa chiyani anthu aku Turkey adachita izi? Kodi iwo anagwidwa ndi chiyani? Kodi zifukwa zinali zotani? Ndinkafuna kudziwa, ndipo sindinathe kupeza kufotokozera kulikonse. Ndipo chotero ndinayamba kuphunzira, ndinayamba kuŵerenga chirichonse chimene ndikanatha kuchipeza. Ndine wophunzira kwambiri, sindinamalize sukulu yasekondale ku New York, ndinkadana ndi sukulu, ndinkasewera magemu nthawi zambiri, ndimapita kukaonera mafilimu m’malo mopita kusukulu, ndinkasewera ndi anzanga, sitingapite kusukulu. Ndinakwanitsa kupita ku koleji kwa chaka chimodzi, chinthu chomwecho, ndinali wotopa, sindinapite ku maphunziro, kenako ndinasiya. Chifukwa chake ndimaphunzira ndekha, zomwe ndikuganiza kuti panthawiyi zinali zothandiza, chifukwa sindinadutse maukonde abodza, sindinapite maphunziro apamwamba, sindinaphunzire bwino, ndinapeza maphunziro osayenera kwambiri. Pa mtundu wa ntchito yomwe ndikuchita, zoulutsira mawu ndikupanga zoulutsira zodziyimira pawokha, ndikuganiza kuti iyi ndi njira yomveka komanso yothandiza yokulitsa malingaliro anu, chifukwa sindimayesa kukhala, mwachitsanzo, katswiri wazamankhwala kapena wamano, komwe Ndinafunikira maphunziro apadera aukadaulo. Ndikugwira ntchito m'malingaliro, ndipo ntchitoyi imangofunika nzeru, malingaliro osanthula, komanso kufunitsitsa kukhala wopanda mantha, kutsutsa, kufunsa mafunso, komanso kukayikira, kotero anthu olamulira akanena china chake mumatenga chilichonse ndi njere ya mchere. N’chifukwa chiyani akunena zimenezi? Kodi ndi zofuna za ndani? Zokonda zandani sizikukwaniritsidwa? Ndani amapindula ndi ndondomekoyi? Ndikuganiza mbiri yanga ngati mwana wa othawa kwawo, omwe adabwera ku United States opanda kalikonse, omwe sankadziwa zomwe zidawachitikira, ndikufunsanso mbiriyo, ndikupeza zomwe zinachitika, ndiyeno maulendo anga adatsegula maso anga. nandidzutsa. Ndinali ndi mwayi waukulu wokhala ku Asia pafupifupi zaka zisanu, zomwe zinali ngati maphunziro anga. Ndinakhala zaka zisanu zimenezo nthawi zambiri ku India, ku Delhi, kumene ndinali ndi mwayi wophunzira ndi akatswiri oimba nyimbo, sitar osewera. Ndinakumana ndi imodzi mwa nyimbo zapamwamba kwambiri padziko lonse lapansi. Izi zinandithandizanso pa ndale, chifukwa zinaphunzitsa maganizo anga, zinandilanga, kuganiza motsatira ndondomeko, motsatira nthawi. Kuwonetsedwa kwa masters kunandilimbikitsanso kuti ndichite bwino. Nthawi zonse ndimanena izi, pali mwambi wachihindi: ngati mutayesa ndikuchita zinthu zambiri nthawi imodzi simungachite bwino, koma ngati muchita chinthu chimodzi bwino ndiye kuti mutha kuchita zambiri pambuyo pake. Mwambiwu uli ndi nzeru zambiri. Ndipo ndinakumananso ndi ndakatulo, ndakatulo za Chiurdu, zokongola kwambiri, imodzi mwa miyambo yakale kwambiri padziko lapansi. Ndinali m'chikhalidwe chomwe anthu amabwereza ma ghuzal kapena ma ghuzal onse – ndakatulo zachikondi – zolembedwa ndi Ghalib, Mir Taqi Mir, Momin, Iqbal, Faiz Ahmed Faiz, Shamim Jaipuri, ndi ena. Izi zinandikweza, m'njira yabwino kwambiri. Mukakhala pakuchita bwino mumalowetsa zina mwazinthuzo. Ndicho chinthu cholimbikitsa kwambiri. Ngakhale mutakhala kalipentala, ndipo munaphunzira ukalipentala kuchokera ku ustad – mbuye – mwakulitsa mphamvu zinazake, mlingo wakutiwakuti wopambana umene mungathe kuusamutsa kuti muchite zina. Mutha kukhala pafupi ndi ophika odziwa bwino, anthu omwe amadziwa kupanga zakudya zabwino kwambiri, izi zimakuthandizani kuti mukhale ndi njira zina.
KT: Zinali zosangalatsa kulankhula nanu Ustad David Barsamian.
DB: (David akuseka) Zikomo, Kasim. Bhot bhot shukria apka.
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