Zaka khumi kuchokera mu 2010 mpaka 2020 ndi zomwe zidawona anthu ambiri padziko lonse lapansi akuchita ziwonetsero zazikulu kuposa nthawi ina iliyonse m'mbiri ya anthu. Ndipo komabe, poyang'ana m'mbuyo, zotsatira za zionetsero zambirizi, kusintha kwa anthu komwe kunatsatira, zinali zosiyana ndi zomwe otsutsa ankafuna. M'buku lake latsopano, Ngati Tiwotcha: Zaka khumi Zotsutsa Misa ndi Kusintha Kwakusowa, mtolankhani wopambana mphoto komanso mtolankhani wakunja Vincent Bevins akufunsa kuti: Chifukwa chiyani? Mu gawo lapaderali, lolembedwa pa studio ya The Real News Network ku Baltimore, Mkonzi wamkulu wa TRNN Maximillian Alvarez amalankhula ndi Bevins za buku lake latsopano komanso za moyo wake wogwira ntchito ngati mtolankhani wofalitsa za kuwukira kwa anthu padziko lonse lapansi.
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Vincent Bevins:
Inde. Moni. Dzina langa ndine Vincent Bevins ndipo ndine mtolankhani ndipo ndine mlembi wa If We Burn: The Mass Protest Decade and The Missing Revolution, yomwe ikutuluka mu October uno ndi Public Affairs. Izi zisanachitike, ndidalemba buku lotchedwa The Jakarta Method, lomwe lidatuluka mu 2020. Ndipo izi zisanachitike, ndakhala ngati mtolankhani wakunja padziko lonse lapansi kuyambira cha 2008 pazofalitsa monga The Financial Times, Los Angeles Times, ndi Washington Post. .
Maximillian Alvarez:
Chabwino, landirani aliyense ku gawo lina la Working People, podcast yofotokoza za moyo, ntchito, maloto, ndi zovuta za ogwira ntchito lero zomwe zabweretsedwa kwa inu mogwirizana ndi In These Times Magazine ndi The Real News Network yopangidwa ndi Jules Taylor ndikupangidwa. zotheka ndi chithandizo cha omvera ngati inu.
Dzina langa ndine Maximilian Alvarez ndipo ndili wokondwa kwambiri, chifukwa monga mudamva anyamata, tili ndi mwamuna wanga, Vincent Bevins kuno ku Baltimore. Tikukhala pompano mu studio ya Real News Network. Vince akuyamba ulendo wamabuku a buku lake latsopano lodabwitsa, lomwe adatchula pamwamba, lomwe limatchedwa, Ngati Tiwotcha: Zaka khumi Zotsutsa ndi The Missing Revolution. Ngati mwakhala pansi pa thanthwe ndipo simunakumanepo ndi ntchito za Vincent, kuphatikizapo The Jakarta Method ndi bukhuli, muyenera kukonza izo dzulo. Ndikukulonjezani, ngati mungamvetsere pulogalamu imeneyi, mudzaphunzira zambiri kuchokera ku ntchito ya Vincent.
Ndipo zidzakugwedezani kwambiri pachimake, koma ndikuganiza m'njira yabwino komanso yofunikira, chifukwa ntchito yomwe amachita sikofunikira kuti timvetsetse nthawi yomwe tili komanso njira yayitali yopondereza yomwe idapanga. momwe tikukhalamo ndikukonzekera masiku ano, osati ku US kokha komanso padziko lonse lapansi. Koma ndikukhulupirira kuti pali njira zambiri zolumikizirana ndi ntchito yomwe Vincent amagwira komanso ntchito yomwe timagwira pano komanso mayendedwe omwe timapanga sabata iliyonse pawonetsero.
Ndipo m'malo mwake, buku lake latsopano, Tikawotcha, limakakamiza kukambirana kofunikira koma kovutirapo komwe ndikuganiza kuti tonse tiyenera kukhala nako. Tikayang'ana m'mbuyo, makamaka zaka khumi zapitazi, makamaka pakati pa 2010 ndi 2020, tikuwona kuchuluka kwa chipwirikiti ndi zigawenga za anthu zomwe zakhala zikuchitika panthawiyo ndikufunsa momasuka ndi moona mtima funso la momwe zidayendera bwino. mayendedwe awa? Kodi abweretsa kusintha kotani mwa ife ndi madera amene tikukhalamo? Kodi kukhazikitsidwa, apolisi, asilikali, mphamvu zomwe zimayankhidwa paziwonetsero zazikuluzikulu zaumunthu zikukwera ndi kulira kuti zikhale bwino ndikumenyera bwino? Kodi bungweli lachitapo chiyani kwa iwo?
Ndipo ndikuganiza kuti zomwe Vincent akulemba m'bukuli ndi yankho lochititsa chidwi kwambiri la funsoli, ndipo ndikufuna kukumba bukhuli ndi ntchito ya Vincent yomwe tikuchita mumphindi imodzi. Koma kuti ndikhazikitse tebulo pano, ndikufuna ndikuwerengereni kagawo kakang'ono koyambira koyambira buku latsopano la Vincent. Ndipo monga mwanthawi zonse, tikamapanga magawo apaderawa awonetsero, tikakhala tikuyang'ana kwambiri mabuku ndi zinthu ngati izi, cholinga pano sikuyesera kufupikitsa ndi kufotokoza mwachidule buku lofunikirali kukhala kukambirana kwa ola limodzi. Mfundo ndi yoti musangalale nayo kotero kuti mupite kunja, kukagula, ndikuwerenga nokha, ndiyeno mutifikire ndikutidziwitsa zomwe mukuganiza.
Chifukwa chake kuti ntchitoyi iyambike, ndidafuna kuwerenga kuyambira pomwe Vincent adalemba kuti, "Zaka khumi zapitazi, kuyambira 2010 mpaka 2020, padziko lonse lapansi, anthu adawona kuphulika kwa ziwonetsero zomwe zidawonetsa kusintha kwakukulu. Iwo adapambana mosangalala kwa omwe adatenga nawo gawo ndipo adasangalatsidwa ndi chiyembekezo m'manyuzipepala apadziko lonse lapansi. Koma patapita zaka zambiri, atolankhani ambiri akunja atapita, tikuwona kuti zipolowezo zidapitilira, ngati sizinachitike chifukwa cha zotsatira zomwe zinali zosiyana kwambiri ndi zolinga zamayendedwe. Palibe paliponse pamene zinthu zidayenda monga momwe adakonzera. M’zochitika zambiri kwambiri, zinthu zinafika poipa kwambiri mogwirizana ndi miyezo yofotokozedwa ndi misewu yeniyeniyo.
Zowonadi, zitha kukhala zotheka kunena nkhani yazaka khumizo ngati nkhani ya zionetsero zazikulu ndi zotsatira zake zosayembekezereka. Pokhala pachiwopsezo chowonekera mofunitsitsa, bukuli lidzayesa kuchita zomwezo. Kodi chimachitika ndi chiyani ngati tiyesa kulemba nkhani ya dziko kuyambira 2010 mpaka 2020, motsogozedwa ndi funso limodzi lodabwitsa, zingatheke bwanji kuti zionetsero zambirimbiri zomwe zidayambitsa ziwonetsero zotsutsana ndi zomwe adapempha?"
Chabwino, kotero kachiwiri, ngati simukufuna kupita kukagula bukhuli ndi kuliwerenga ndi mawu oyamba okha, muyenera kuyang'ana momwe mukumvera, koma tikukumba mu bukhuli mozama ndi Vincent tsopano. Koma tisanafike kumeneko, bambo, ndidakuwuzani tisanajambule, pawonetsero, timakonda kwambiri kudziwa zambiri zakumbuyo kwa anthu ogwira ntchito omwe timalankhula nawo. Ndipo mumayambanso bukuli ndi inu nokha ngati mtolankhani pansi pakati pa zonsezi. Chifukwa chake ndidafuna kupanga mawonekedwe amtundu wa Working People pano ndikuyamba kudziwa zambiri za inu, mbiri yanu, ndi njira yanu yochitira ntchitoyi, ndikulemba Njira ya Jakarta, ndikulemba Ngati Tiwotcha, kukhala mtolankhani wakunja, mwathera bwanji komwe munathera?
Vincent Bevins:
Eya, mwamtheradi. Inde, ndikanakonda ndikuthokoza kwambiri chifukwa chokhala ndi ine komanso chifukwa cha mawu oyambawo. Ndine wothokoza kwambiri chifukwa chakulozera pagawo la bukhuli, lomwe ndikuganiza kuti ndilomwe lidandipangitsa kuti ndikhale usikuuno kwazaka 10 kuyambira pomwe mwafotokoza kumene. Kutsegulira kwa bukhuli komwe ndili ku Sao Paulo ngati mtolankhani wakunja ndipo kwandigwira kwa zaka zinayi zapitazi pomwe ndimagwira ntchito yolemba bukuli nthawi zonse. Koma zonsezi zisanachitike, ndinakulira kum’mwera kwa California. Ndinapita ku yunivesite ya Northern California. Nthawi zonse ndinkakonda kuwerenga ndi kulemba komanso ndale ndi mbiri yakale komanso zachuma, koma ndinkakhulupirira kuti ndidzakhala wophunzira. Monga wophunzira wamaphunziro apamwamba, ndinali mtundu wa wophunzira yemwe ankaganiza kuti chinthu choyenera kuchita chinali kupitiriza. Ndinkaganiza kuti ndichita PhD mu filosofi ya ndale, koma inenso-
Maximillian Alvarez:
Momwemonso. Osati gawo la filosofi ya ndale.
Vincent Bevins:
Munaganiza kuti mudzakhala wophunzira.
Maximillian Alvarez:
O, eya, ndinayesera. Iwo anandithamangitsa mwachifundo.
Vincent Bevins:
Ndinapatsidwa mlatho wopita ku nyumba yoyaka yomwe sindinatenge chifukwa, ndikutanthauza, zikadakhala zosangalatsa, koma sipakanakhala ntchito pamapeto pake, nzeru zandale. , mulimonse. Zaka zisanu ndi zitatu pambuyo pake PhD itatha. Zomwe zidachitika ndimaganiza, chabwino, nditenga Chisipanishi changa ndi Chijeremani changa m'mawonekedwe apamwamba. Kotero ndisanayambe PhD iyi, ndinapita kukakhala ku Berlin pang'ono, ndinagwira ntchito pamalo odyera pizza omwe ndinalembedwa ntchito kuti ndithandize kukhazikitsa modabwitsa chifukwa ndinali ndi zomwe ndinakumana nazo ku Oakland ndi Berkeley. Ndiyeno ku Venezuela, ndinafika kufunafuna ntchito yamtundu uliwonse, chirichonse chimene ndinali nacho … Ndinadziŵa kuti ndale zinali kuchitika kumeneko, koma chimene ndinali kusamala nacho chinali kungopeza njira yogwirira ntchito ku Caracas ndikukhala m’Chispanya tsiku lililonse kuti ndibwerere kukakhala wophunzira pambuyo pake.
Sindinali kuyang'ana utolankhani. Sindinkaganiza kuti ndidzakhala mtolankhani. Sindinali m'modzi wa ana omwe anali ngati, ndimakonda nyuzipepala. Ndimakonda nkhani. Koma china chake chomwe chidatulukira, ndipo iyi ndi nkhani yoyambira ya olemba ambiri akunja, ndikuti ndili kunja uko, panali nyuzipepala yachingerezi panthawiyo, idatchedwa The Daily Journal, ili ndi mbiri yayitali ku Venezuela yomwe inali. amafunitsitsa kuti anthu alembe zina mwazolemba zawo zapadera zomwe anali kuchita. Ine ndimadziwa winawake yemwe ankadziwa winawake yemwe ankagwira ntchito kumeneko. Anandifunsa ngati ndingalembe zinthu zina. Ndinati, "Sindinaganizepo za izo." Ndinkafuna kugwira ntchito m’Chisipanishi chokha, koma ndinkatha kulemba zinthu zimenezi m’Chingelezi. Ndinazikonda. Inakhala njira yogwirira ntchito ndikupanga ndalama ku Venezuela panthawiyo.
Posakhalitsa, ndinazindikira kudzera m'makalata ena akunja kuti nditha kutumiza nkhani m'manyuzipepala apadziko lonse lapansi. Izi zinagwira ntchito ndipo ndinazindikira, chabwino, izi zikutuluka tsopano, pamene PhD yanga yotheka idzatuluka zaka zisanu ndi zitatu, kotero izi ndizabwino. Ndine wokhudzidwa mwanjira ina ndi zomwe zikuchitika pano. Koma ndimachita masters, miyezi isanu ndi inayi ku London. Pambuyo pake, ndimapita ku Financial Times. Ndipo patatha zaka ziwiri, pamene Brazil ikukula kwambiri, pamene kumapeto kwa nthawi yachiwiri ya Lula, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, mtsogoleri wa chipani cha ogwira ntchito, yemwe kale anali wogwira ntchito zachitsulo komanso mtsogoleri wa bungwe, akumaliza nthawi yake yachiwiri ndi kuvomerezedwa kwakukulu. 88% nthawi zina. Chuma chikuyenda bwino. Brazil ikupitadi pa siteji yapadziko lonse lapansi.
Ku The Financial Times, mwayi umabwera wowonjezera munthu wachiwiri pazomwe amaphunzira kumeneko, ndipo ndimati, "Chabwino, chabwino. Ndikupita." Ndimachita izi ndipo ndili ku Brazil kwa zaka zisanu ndi chimodzi, ndikusinthira ku LA Times, patatha zaka zisanu ndi chimodzi za izi, zomwe ... Ndiye nditafika ku Indonesia kuti ndiyambe kuphimba Southeast Asia ku Washington Post, ndinazindikira kuti simunganene nkhaniyi popanda kuyang'ana kupha anthu ambiri mu 1965. Ndipo ndinalemba buku langa loyamba ndipo ndinasangalala kulemba bukuli kwambiri. kuti ndinaganiza kulemba ina. Koma ndikuganiza, izi zimabwera m'buku lachiwiri, osati chifukwa chakuti ndinalipo, kotero sindingathe kunena nkhaniyi moona mtima popanda kudziyika ndekha, koma ndikuganiza kuti mikhalidwe yomwe makalata akunja amagwirira ntchito ali nawo. anaipiraipira, ndipo nthaŵi zonse anali opanda ungwiro.
Monga ndikulemba m'bukuli, makalata akunja akhala ndi chizolowezi chochulukitsa [inaudible 00:11:11] mphamvu zamakoloni. Zizolowezi, kusintha kwamakampani komanso momwe atolankhani amakumana nazo zapangitsa kuti izi zisinthe, ndikuganiza, kuipiraipira kwambiri ndipo tili panthawi yomwe tikukamba za nkhani zapadziko lonse lapansi, zomwe ndi chifukwa china chomwe ndimafuna. kuti ndidziike ndekha m'buku kuti ndisayambe kuwukira, koma kuti ndikhale ndi zotsutsa zopindulitsa zamakampani anga.
Maximillian Alvarez:
Ndikufuna kuchita zonse zomwe ndingathe, monga Larry King pano, ndikufunsa, ngati titha kukulitsa izi pang'ono, chifukwa ndikuwona, ndikuganiza, kulowererapo kofunikira komwe anthu ambiri samangoganiza za momwe mayiko akunja makalata akhoza reinscribe maukonde amphamvu achifumu, komanso zimene zikutanthauza mu mtundu wandale zandale chuma cha utolankhani, amene monga tikudziwira, zoipa, si zazikulu. Ndipo ichi ndichinthu chomwe ndimachiganizira nthawi zonse pano monga mkonzi wamkulu wa The Real News Network.
Mwachitsanzo, kwa zaka ziwiri tsopano, tonse takhala tikukamba za nkhondo ya ku Ukraine ndipo pano ku The Real News mu, ndikuganiza, miyezi isanu ndi umodzi, isanu ndi iwiri ya nkhondoyi, tinali kuphimba momwe tingathere. kuchokera ku ngodya zambiri momwe tingathere. Koma ndikhala woona mtima, ndinayamba kukhala wovuta kwambiri, osati pano kokha, koma ndi zofalitsa zolankhula Chingerezi m'njira zomwe amazifotokozera, kuphatikizapo zofalitsa zakumanzere ndi zopita patsogolo kumene anthu mwachiwonekere anali ndi malingaliro amphamvu kwambiri pa nkhondo, zomwe zinali kuchitika, ndipo tonse tili ndi chidwi, tonsefe timafuna kudziwa zomwe zikuchitika. Koma chimene chinandikhudza ine monga munthu amene anali wosalankhula mokwanira kupeza madigiri awiri mu Russian zinali ngati, palibe amene amalankhula Chiyukireniya kapena Russian pano.
Vincent Bevins:
Palibe amene akuwerenga kapena kupereka lipoti. Anthu akungoyang'ana pa intaneti ndiyeno-
Maximillian Alvarez:
Iwo akungoyang'ana pa intaneti ndikuyankha.
Vincent Bevins:
Ndipo kubwera ndi malingaliro awo pazomwe amawerenga pa intaneti ndikuzibwezeretsanso pa intaneti.
Maximillian Alvarez:
Ndendende. Ndinali ngati, si utolankhani. Sindikufuna kubisa nkhaniyi, koma izi ndizodabwitsa.
Vincent Bevins:
Makampani, ndiko kuti, zomvetsa chisoni, ndizomveka bwino pazachuma kuchita mwanjira imeneyi m'malo ochezera apano. M'malo amasiku ano atolankhani, kugwira ntchitoyo ndi lingaliro loipa, mwachuma. Ngati mukufuna kupeza ndalama zambiri pamtengo wanu, ngati mukufuna kutenga nthawi yambiri yogwira ntchito, ndizomveka kubwera ndi zokometsera zomwe mumawerenga pa intaneti m'mawa umenewo kusiyana ndi kuphunzira. Chirasha, atha zaka khumi akudziwa mitundu yonse ya anthu aku Ukrainian, zovuta za malingaliro andale m'dzikolo, kenako ndikubwereranso ndi kusanthula kosiyanasiyana. Ndipo izi, kachiwiri, sindikufuna kuyandikira pafupi ndi kugwera mumsampha wokhala ngati atolankhani ndi ngwazi, ndipo muyenera kusamala za ine ndi zanga chifukwa ndili bwino.
Ndipo sichoncho, mfundo ndi yakuti mukakhala ndi zovuta za utolankhani, makamaka utolankhani wapadziko lonse lapansi, chifukwa ndizomwe ndikudziwa bwino, zotsatira zake ndikuti ozunzidwawo si anthu ngati ine. Ndani amasamala za anthu ngati ine? Zotsatira zake ndi kupotoza kwenikweni kwa kupanga chidziwitso ndi malingaliro olakwika a dziko lapansi omwe tili nawo chifukwa anthu ochepa omwe timayenera kudzipereka nthawi yeniyeni ku lipoti lenileni komanso ndi mtundu wa kukhazikika kwa ntchito zomwe zimawalola kuganiza, chabwino, zoona zenizeni, osati zomwe ndinganene zomwe zingathandize ntchito yanga kwakanthawi kochepa?
Mutha kuwona, mukayang'ana zamphamvu izi, zosinthika zamkati, zomwe ndimajambula pang'ono m'bukuli, mutha kuwona chifukwa chake zimakhala zovuta kuti zida zikuwuma kwa utolankhani wapadziko lonse lapansi. Ndipo mphamvu ina yomwe ndikuganiza, ndipo izi zinali zoipa kale mu 2010, izi zinali kale. Zinali kale kuti zimakonda kukhala anthu apakati kapena apamwamba ochokera kudziko loyamba omwe akuyenda kuzungulira dziko lonse lapansi kutanthauzira ndi kufotokoza zochitika zapadziko lapansi. Koma pamene ndinayamba zaka 15 zapitazo, ndipo izi zinali zoona zaka 25 zapitazo, ndipo zinali zoona zaka 40 zapitazo, mukhoza kuchita ngati ntchito. Tsopano mu 2023, monga lamulo, anthu okhawo omwe amatha kuthamanga kuchita izi ndi anthu omwe amabadwa ndi ndalama zambiri ndipo amatha kupita kumeneko akudziwa kuti mwina izi sizibweretsa phindu lililonse. .
Ndipo kachiwiri, ndani amasamala za anthu amenewo? Koma zomwe timataya ndi anthu onse ogwira ntchito, anthu onse ochokera kumwera kwa dziko lonse omwe angakhalenso akugwira ntchitoyo, kubweretsa malingaliro awo, koma sangapange chisankho chifukwa ayenera kupanga ndalama chifukwa ali ndi banja komanso banja. ayenera kulipira ngongole. Ndipo kotero ine ndimakonda kulabadira, monga inu mukunenera, kwa ndale za media, ndale zachuma za media, osati chifukwa mabungwe atolankhani ofalitsa nkhani zaufulu ku DC ndi New York amafunikira misozi ya aliyense kapena kuti tifunika kugwiriridwa. momwe ma TV amakonda kuchita zomwe timachita. Ndichifukwa choti mumawona dziko molakwika ngati muli ndi chuma chocheperako komanso malo ogulitsira omwe akuchulukirachulukira a oligarch, ndipo mumapangitsa kuti anthu azikhalidwe zosiyanasiyana, komanso madera osiyanasiyana, akhale gawo la ntchito yofunikayi, yomwe. ndi kupanga chidziwitso cha dziko.
Maximillian Alvarez:
Ayi, ndikuganiza kuti zayikidwa bwino. Ndabwera kuno ndikugwedeza mutu ngati chitsiru. Koma kachiwiri, izi zikukhudza tonsefe, aliyense amene akumva izi. Anthu omwe timawafunsa pawonetsero, chinthu choyamba chomwe chidabwera m'maganizo chinali monga momwe mudanenera, pali zachilendo apa. Chifukwa cha Mulungu, titha kukhala ndi zotsutsana pang'ono pano chifukwa ndimakumbukira kuti ndikuyesera kuyikapo malingaliro amenewo kumayambiriro kwa chaka chino pomwe ndikunena za zovuta zantchito zomwe takhala tikuziwona m'makampani ofalitsa nkhani. Chifukwa chake Tucker Carlson atachotsedwa ku Fox News, Don Lemon adachotsedwa ku CNN, palibe amene adakhetsa misozi pa awiriwo. Anyamata amenewo ali bwino, komanso onse akuyamwa, ndikhululukireni French yanga. Koma anthu amawawona ngati mtundu wa cipher kwa makampani onse azama TV, koma mutha kukhala ndi zenizeni pomwe anthu ngati Don Lemon ndi Tucker Carlson, mamembala owoneka bwino amakampani, osankhika atolankhani, chilichonse chomwe mungafune. ndikufuna kuwatcha iwo, iwo ali mu chilengedwe chomwecho monga atolankhani okhudza ku Pittsburgh Post Gazette omwe akhala akunyanyala kwa pafupifupi chaka chimodzi tsopano.
Iwo anasiya ntchito mu October chaka chatha. Takambirana ndi anthu ochokera ku Pittsburgh Post Gazette. Pali mabungwe asanu omwe akukhudzidwa pakupanga mapepalawo. Iwo akhala akugwira mzere nthawi yonseyi, akhala akupanga pepala lomenyera kwaulere. Koma zomwe atolankhaniwa akutiuza mobwerezabwereza ndikuti pepala lathu ndi la banja lolemera lamtunduwu. Ndiwo eni oligarchic omwe ali ndi masomphenya osiyana kwambiri ndi bungweli, Pittsburgh Post Gazette, yomwe ili ndi mbiri yakale yomwe imabwerera zaka 200, imapanga utolankhani wofunika kwambiri kuti anthu a m'deralo ndi kuzungulira dera adziwe bwino momwe moyo ulili. m’chigawo chimenecho. Ndipo ogwira ntchitowa ali kunja uko akuphimba ngozi yowopsa ya sitima yapamtunda ku East Palestine, Ohio, kutsidya lina la malire. Akuphimba ogwira ntchito ku Starbucks ku Pittsburgh, mamembala a SAG omwe akuchita chidwi ku Pittsburgh. Osati ngakhale nkhani zantchito, koma mulu wa nkhani zofunika zomwe anthu ayenera kudziwa komanso pamlingo womwe chidwi chakuya komanso kukhwima kwa atolankhani zomwe anthuwa angapereke.
Chifukwa chake zinthu ziwirizi zitha kukhalapo nthawi imodzi, koma tikangonena kuti, media wamba "ndizofanana. Tiyenera kuwachotsa onsewo. Ingolembetsani ku Substack yomwe mumakonda." Sitikuwerengera zonse zomwe zidzatayike, ndi zomwe, kwenikweni, takhala tikutaya makamaka theka lazaka zapitazi.
Vincent Bevins:
Ine ndikuganiza zambiri za izo zatayika.
Maximillian Alvarez:
Zapita.
Vincent Bevins:
Pali zokwanira kusunga chidwi chanu. Pali The New York Times, yomwe imatulutsa zinthu zambiri tsiku lililonse. Koma kutha kwa utolankhani wakumaloko, komwe pachiwopsezo chomveka chokopa pang'ono, kufotokozera zandale zapaderalo ndikofunikira kuti demokalase ikhalepo. Simungakhale, pakapita nthawi, demokalase popanda anthu omwe amaphimba City Hall.
Maximillian Alvarez:
Eya.
Vincent Bevins:
Ndipo izi zachepetsedwa chifukwa cha kusintha kwamakampani m'zaka makumi angapo zapitazi. Ndipo zikuwoneka ngati yankho likhala lolola oligarchs kugula malo ogulitsa mayina akulu angapo, aliyense atha kulembetsa ku mapepala odziwika kwambiri ku New York ndi DC, kuwasunga iwo mwanjira ina, ndiyeno timangolola china chilichonse. kufa. Ili ndi vuto kwa ogwira ntchito omwe akunyanyala, ogwira ntchito omwe akuchotsedwa ntchito m'malo osiyanasiyana mdziko muno. Ndipo ndivuto kwa ndale za thupi.
Maximillian Alvarez:
Thupi la ndale, chabwino? Chinthu chotsiriza chimene ine ndinene pa icho, chifukwa ine ndikufuna kulozera izi ku bukhu lokha, koma ine ndikhoza kuyankhula kwa inu kwa maora atatu za izi. Koma kachiwiri, tengani chitsanzo chilichonse, tengani zantchito zomwe timachita. Mapepala aliwonse m'zaka za zana la 20, osati zonse, koma mapepala ambiri omwe anali ndi mtolankhani wa ntchito, anali ndi kugunda kwa ntchito. Zimenezo kulibenso. Ali ngati atolankhani anayi anthawi zonse m'dzikoli, ndipo Stephen Greenhouse wangotsala ndi zaka zambiri.
Ndipo kotero muli ndi gulu la odziyimira pawokha, malo odziyimira pawokha monga ife tikuyesera kutseka kusiyana kumeneko, ndipo palibe njira yotheka yochitira izo. Ndipo zomwe zikutanthauza kuti mabwana ochulukirachulukira azimva ngati palibe amene akuwayang'ana, palibe amene amawayankha. Ndipo ngakhale nkhani itatuluka yokhudza iwo, palibe chidwi chokhazikika pa zomwe akuchita kuti iwo aziwopsezedwa kuti asinthe njira zawo zochitira zinthu. Zomwezo zimagwiranso ntchito kwa apolisi omwe akuti timachita. Ichi ndi chitsanzo chokhazikika. Mukakhala mulibe atolankhani oweruza milandu omwe ali ndi bata pantchito ndipo amatha kugwiritsa ntchito nthawi yomwe zimatengera kuti apeze ndikunena za zolakwika za apolisi, kuwombera nzika za apolisi, komanso kuphwanya ufulu wa anthu, zomwe mumapeza m'malo mwake ndi malo ogulitsira. ndikungobwereza-
Vincent Bevins:
Kutulutsa atolankhani apolisi.
Maximillian Alvarez:
Nkhani za apolisi. Ndiye mumapeza mthunzi wotere womwe apolisi amatha kupanga, ndipo zoulutsira nkhani zimakhala ngati zabodza zomwe zimasokoneza chowonadi chosokonekerachi kudzera munjira za chikhalidwe chathu. Ndipo ndilo vuto lalikulu kwambiri. Koma izi zimalumikizananso komwe mumayambira buku lanu. Ndipo tikhala ngati timaliza kukambirana za izi, ndi udindo wa atolankhani ngati inu, monga ine, komanso kuganizira za chikhalidwe cha TV. Kodi izi zakhala ndi gawo lotani poyimira ngakhalenso kupotoza kayendedwe ka anthu m'zaka zapitazi za 13, zotsatira zomwe anali nazo, kukhazikika kwa kayendetsedwe kameneka, ndi zina zotero. Kotero ine ndikufuna kuti tikathere kumeneko, koma tiyeni tibwerere ku Sao Paulo kwa kamphindi.
Vincent Bevins:
Inde.
Maximillian Alvarez:
Chifukwa chake, ndikutengerani mtolankhani wogwira ntchito ku Sao Paulo koyambirira kwa zomwe zingakhale zaka khumi zankhondo padziko lonse lapansi. Munayambiranji pamenepo? Ndipo mundiyendetse ine kupyola pamenepo ku bukhu ili likubwera limodzi? Chifukwa monga munanenera, munali singano muubongo wanu yomwe simungatulukemo. Choncho ndiyendetseni njira imeneyo.
Vincent Bevins:
Zonse zimagwirizana kwenikweni ndi funso la kuyimilira kwawayilesi ndi zotsatira zake zamphamvu, osati kungotanthauzira zomwe zimachitika m'misewu, komanso zomwe zimachitika m'misewu. Kukonzekera konkire kwa mphamvu kumapangidwa okha ndi kuyimira kwa media. Ndipo ichi ndi chinachake chimene chinachitika modabwitsa kwambiri mu June, 2013, pafupi kwambiri ndi nyumba yanga ku mzinda wa Sao Paulo. Ine, ndithudi, ndinalipo, koma izo zinangobwera kwa ine ngati mbiri yakale ndi likulu H likubwera likugogoda pazitseko zathu zonse ndipo zinthu zinasintha zomwe zinali zodabwitsa kwambiri. Ndipo ndikuganiza kuti ine, ndi pafupifupi aliyense mdziko muno, takhala zaka khumi zikubwerazi ndikuyesa kumvetsetsa. Ndipo panali kuchuluka kwa matanthauzidwe zotheka, ndipo ine ndikuganiza ndicho chikhalidwe cha mtundu wa zionetsero zomwe tidaziwona mzaka khumi izi.
Ndipo tikhoza kulowa mu zomwe zinali pambuyo pake, ngati mukufuna. Koma zomwe zidachitika ndikuti ndidabwerera kuchokera kunkhalango pomwe ndimalankhula ndi anthu ammudzi omwe adawukiridwa mkati mwa Brazil, kenako ndidachita nawo ziwonetsero zachinayi zomwe zidachitika ndi Movimento Passe Livre, MPL, kapena Free Fare Movement, lomwe linali gulu ku Brazil lomwe linakhazikitsidwa mu 2005, lomwe nthawi zonse lakhala likukakamiza kuti mayendedwe a anthu onse awonongeke. Mabasi onse azikhala aulere. Zonse ndi zaulere. Anali ma punk ndi akumanzere ndi otsutsa, ndipo adakhala m'misewu kuyesa kusokoneza boma la mzinda wa Sao Paulo kuti liwononge kukwera kwamitengo ya basi.
Tsopano, boma la Brazil panthawiyo, ndipo ndithudi, boma la Sao Paulo linali la Workers 'Party, kumanzere kwa chipani chapakati chomwe chinali chodziwika kwambiri ndipo chinadzipereka kwathunthu ku kukulitsa demokalase ya chikhalidwe cha anthu momwe zingathere. m’dzikolo. M'mawa wa June 13, 2013, masitolo akuluakulu ku Brazil, omwe ndimagwira nawo ntchito osati kwenikweni, adaitanitsa apolisi. Ndipo apolisi ankhondo ku Brazil ndiye cholowa chaulamuliro wankhanza wothandizidwa ndi US. Apolisi ndi apolisi ankhondo. Ofalitsa ambiri adapempha apolisi ankhondo kuti aletse ana awa. Majwi aakoonana ku Brazil aamba kuti, “Tatweelede kulibombya. Tiyenera kuchotsa ma punk ndi anarchists awa m'misewu. Zokwanira. Ayambitsa chipolowe, tsutsani anthuwa. "
Tsopano kuponderezedwa komwe kumabwera m'njira yomwe anthu azungu ndi olemera a ku Brazil akadadziwa kuti zikadabwera ngati atakhala ndi nkhanza za apolisi zomwe anthu ambiri aku Brazil amachita. Koma apolisi aku Brazil adachita zomwe amachita nthawi zonse, adapondereza misewu ndipo kuponderezana kumeneku kudakhudza anthu ngati ine komanso anthu omwe amagwira ntchito kumaloko. Kuponderezedwa sikunangogunda a punks oonda komanso anthu akuda ndi abulauni omwe nthawi zonse amawapondereza. Kuponderezedwa kumeneko kunali kofulumira komanso kokwanira kotero kuti kunakhudza atolankhani ndipo kunakhudza anthu olemekezeka a pakati pa azungu ku Brazil omwe amaonedwa kuti ndi osatsutsika ndi magulu akuluakulu a TV.
Ndipo kotero kuyambira wachinayi mpaka wachisanu, atolankhani amatembenuka. Amachoka pakunena kuti, tiyenera kuthana ndi ma punks kuti, kwenikweni, zomwe zikuchitika tsopano ndi kuwuka kwaulemerero, kukonda dziko, kuteteza ufulu wodziwonetsera wokha. Ichi ndi chionetsero chotsutsa. Ndipo osati chifukwa cha chiwembu china monga momwe mwafotokozera, sikuti atolankhani omangika amayesa kukhala ofalitsa zabodza apolisi, koma akuyesera kuti adziwe zomwe angachite. Ndipo ofalitsa nkhani ku Brazil, chifukwa cha malingaliro awo akuzama, machitidwe awo azikhulupiriro, akuyenera kunena zomwe kuphulika kwatsopano kumeneku komwe apanga tsopano kuchirikiza. Ndipo amapereka matanthauzidwe omwe ali olondola kwambiri komanso omasuka komanso osamala komanso ochulukirapo, motero amauza dzikolo-
Maximillian Alvarez:
Izi zili ngati Kylie Jenner, Lowani nawo mtundu wa Kukambirana?
Vincent Bevins:
Inde. Anthu amatuluka ndi mtundu uliwonse wa chizindikiro chomwe mungaganizire chifukwa adauzidwa ndi atolankhani, chifukwa kuyimilira kwawayilesi ndikofunikira kuti pakhale ziwonetsero poyambira. Simungapite kumeneko ngati simungathe kufikira anthu omwe sangathe kuwona ndi maso anu, sichoncho? Anthu amatha kuona zomwe zili patsogolo pa nkhope yake. Chifukwa chake kuyambira pachiyambi, zionetsero zakhala zikudalira kuyimilira kwa media. Chifukwa chake ndi media media akuwuza dziko X zichitika, tili ndi ziwonetsero zamtunduwu zomwe timathandizira zomwe ndi zokonda dziko lako komanso mtundu umodzi wamtundu umodzi umagwirizana ndi chilichonse, mokomera chilichonse chomwe chili chabwino komanso choyipa chilichonse. Chionetsero chachisanu chikubweretsa anthu m'misewu omwe akufuna kulowa nawo ziwonetsero zomwe kulibe.
Akuwonetsa kuyesa kulowa nawo gulu la zionetsero, zomwe zimasemphana ndi anthu omwe analipo sabata imodzi yapitayo. Ndipo izi zimathera m’nkhondo za m’misewu. Ndipo pamapeto pake, ndipo ndidawona izi, nanenso adandizunza, koma sindinali m'modzi mwa milandu yodziwika bwino yomwe idapangitsa kuti chilichonse chisinthe. Pamapeto pake, patangotha sabata imodzi, zomwe titha kuzindikira kuti ndi chiyambi cha [chilankhulo chakunja 00:29:11] gulu, gulu lankhondo lachigawenga lodziletsa mwankhanza limathamangitsa zipani zoyambira kumanzere m'misewu patangotha sabata imodzi. Ndipo funso la kuyimilira atolankhani, ndikuganiza, ndilofunika kuti muwone momwe izi zimachitikira. Ndiyeno zinthu zimafa. Koma tsopano, mukalankhula ndi gulu la [chinenero chakunja 00:29:33], angakuuzeni kuti, “Eya, tinabadwa m’misewu mu June, 2013.”
Ngati mungalankhule ndi omwe adasiya kumanzere ndi ma anarchists, ndipo ndakhala zaka zinayi zapitazi ndikuchita mazana oyankhulana ndi omwe adakonza mayendedwe awa, makamaka iwo, angakuuzeni kuti, "Chabwino, zinali zokhuza kutsitsa basi. mitengo ndi kukulitsidwa kwa boma ndi ntchito za anthu osauka kwa anthu osauka. " Oulutsa nkhani adzakhala ndi kutanthauzira kosiyana. Ofalitsa anganene kuti, o ayi, zinali za kuyimilira kudziwonetsera. PT, Workers 'Party, ikhoza kunena kuti iyi inali nthawi yomwe idayambitsa mikhalidwe yomwe idapangitsa kuti aphungu aphungu a Dilma Rousseff alowe m'ndende komanso kumangidwa kwa Lula komanso chisankho cha Bolsonaro.
Zonse zinayi za matanthauzidwe amenewo, ine ndikuganiza, chifukwa chokhala otsutsana kwambiri monga iwo aliri, ziri bwino. Zonse ndi zotheka. Ndizotheka kupeza mfundo zochirikiza mafotokozedwe osiyanasiyanawo. Chifukwa chake njira yamtunduwu ndi yomwe ine ndi anzanga ambiri tinadutsamo ku Brazil. Nanga zinatheka bwanji kuti dziko lonse liyimilire kufunsa X ndikupeza zosiyana? Zili bwanji kuti Bolsonaro atuluke pagulu lotsitsa mtengo waulendo wa anthu ogwira ntchito mdziko muno?
Ndipo izi zinali m'maganizo mwanga kwa zaka khumi zonse, monga zinalili pafupifupi aliyense amene ndimamudziwa ku Brazil. Ndipo kotero nthawi iliyonse pamene chinachake chonga ichi chikawunikidwa padziko lonse lapansi, ine ndinali kumvetsera mwatcheru kuganiza, chabwino, ine ndimadabwa ngati izo zidzapita momwe izo zinachitira. Sizinakhale zotsatira zomwezo, koma ndinapeza kuti mphamvu zina zinayamba kubwereza. Ndipo chimodzi mwazinthu zofunika kwambiri zomwe zidabwerezedwanso, ndikubwerera ku ntchito yanga, kunali kulephera kwa kalasi yanga kuyamikira zovuta zomwe zikuchitika m'misewu ndi momwe zidakhalira ndi zotsatira zake, osati momwe dziko limamvera. zomwe zidachitika, koma zenizeni, zomwe zidachitika m'misewu.
Maximillian Alvarez:
Chabwino, tiyeni tipitirire kukokera pa ulusi umenewo. Chifukwa kachiwiri, sitidzatha kusonkhanitsa mbali zonse za dziko lapansi zomwe mukuyang'ana m'bukuli, koma kuti mungodzaza chithunzi cha anthu ambiri, ndikuganiza kuti ndi gawo lina chabe. njira zomwe atolankhani amapangira zokambiranazi ndi chifukwa tangotsala pang'ono kuyang'ana motalikirapo m'zaka za m'ma 21 pomwe nkhani zimayenda pang'onopang'ono. Timakhala okonda kwambiri mafoni athu ochezera a pa Intaneti, COVID-19, pamene zinali ngati kusinthika kokakamizika kwa anthu komwe anthu, ngakhale atakhala kuti amakana kwambiri pazama TV kapena kuwonera nkhani, adakakamizidwa kulowa. malo omwe kugwirizana kwawo ndi dziko lakunja kunali pakati pa zinthu izi. Ndipo ndikuganiza kuti takhala tikuwona zovuta zandale pambuyo pazimenezi.
Vincent Bevins:
Ndikuganiza kuti kunali kufulumira kwazinthu zambiri zopanda thanzi.
Maximillian Alvarez:
Inde, kwambiri. Koma ndikunena izi kuti ndinene, chifukwa cha izi, chimodzi mwazizindikiro za nthawi ino yomwe tikukhalamo zili ngati kutopa kosalekeza komanso kumva kuti nkhani zoyipa zikungochulukirachulukira. Ndipo zimatero, koma izi zimapangitsa kuti zikhale zovuta kuyang'ana m'mbuyo ngakhale zaka 10, 12, 13 zapitazo ndikuzindikira kuti zambiri zachitika mu nthawi yochepa. Chifukwa chake sikuti tili ndi Sao Paulo kokha, koma tili ndi, sankhani. Kuno ku United States, tinali ndi Ferguson, tinali ndi Occupy, tinali ndi Minneapolis ndi zigawenga za George Floyd. Ndipo m'malo mwake, takhala tikufotokoza china chake chomwe chimatsimikizira malingaliro a Vincent kuti, ngati mukukumbukira apa pachiwonetserochi, tidapanga gawo lofotokoza chifukwa chake nkhondo yoletsa Cop City ku Atlanta ndi nkhani yantchito. Ndipo Kamau Franklin adatiuza moyenerera kuti zili ngati Cop City ndiye kuyankha kwa oyambitsa ziwonetsero za George Floyd.
Iwo anagwidwa pa phazi lakumbuyo. Iwo sankayembekezera kuti anthu ambiri angafike m’misewu. Ili ndi yankho lawo la momwe angathanirane nazo pambuyo pake. Koma titha kulankhulanso za Marichi ya Amayi. Izi sizili zofanana, koma, kachiwiri, ziwonetsero zambiri zachitika, ndipo ndikofunikira kuyang'ana mmbuyo ndikufunsa ngati, chabwino, zotsatira zake zinali zotani? Ndipo ngati tiyang'ana padziko lonse lapansi, ku India, chimodzi mwa ziwonetsero zazikulu kwambiri za ogwira ntchito m'mbiri ya anthu chinachitika, ndipo tsopano tili ndi boma lachifasisti lakumanja ku Narendra Modi. Chifukwa chake inde, zikuwoneka ngati zikubwera mochulukirachulukira kuti chiyembekezo chimachokera m'misewu, koma ndiye izi zimasanduka chisokonezo chochulukirapo pa anthu. Kotero ine ndikuganiza ingodzazani pang'ono kuchuluka kwa zomwe mukufuna kuphimba m'bukuli.
Vincent Bevins:
Ndipo ndithudi, ndikuganiza kuti ndikofunikira kuti zoyankhulana zambiri zomwe ndidachita sizikanatheka ngati anthu awa omwe ndidalankhula nawo m'maiko 12 padziko lonse lapansi kuyambira ku Tunisia, kenako Egypt ndi Bahrain ndi Turkey ndi Ukraine ndi Hong Kong. anthu sakanafuna kukhala pansi ndi ine, kutaya nthawi yawo ndi rehash zina mwa nthawi zovuta kwambiri pa moyo wawo ngati mfundo yonse sanali kuzindikira izo. Pali chikhumbo chodziwikiratu komanso chofala chofuna kukonza dongosolo lathu lapadziko lonse lapansi, koma pazifukwa zilizonse, machenjerero omwe adatengedwa, mndandanda wa mikangano, momwe tidayendera zinali zosagwirizana ndi zomwe timayesera kuti tichite. Chifukwa chake zomwe tingachite tsopano ndikusonkhana pamodzi ndikuphunzira kuchokera ku zomwe kusagwirizanaku kunali, kuyesa kukonza kusagwirizanaku, kenako kusonkhana ndikupanga dziko labwinoko kuti tiphunzirepo izi ndikusintha. Chifukwa mwanjira ina, mbali zolimba kwenikweni zachoka kale.
Ngati muli ndi chilakolako, mukhoza kuona kuti anthu akufuna kusintha dziko. Anthu ndi okonzeka kuika moyo wawo pachiswe. Anthu ali okonzeka kuyimirira ndikufunsa, koma zomwe muyenera kuchita ndikungoyang'ana ndi machenjerero, tcheru ndi njirayo. Chabwino, ndiye izo nzabwino. Ndiye ife timasonkhana ndiyeno izi ndizoyenera kuchita. Mfundo yonse ndikuyang'ana kutsogolo ndi anthu awa. Ndipo ndi cholinga chachikulu chimenecho, zomwe tidachita ndikukumbukira zaka khumi, zomwe zidayamba mu 2010, zomwe zidaphulika koyamba ku Tunisia. Koma monga mwanena, moto wolusawu ukufalikira mwachangu padziko lonse lapansi ndipo suzima. Ndikuganiza kuti sichinatulukebe. Koma tikhoza kuyang'ana zaka khumi monga momwe mtundu wina woyankhira ku chisalungamo ndi nkhanza za boma unakhala hegemonic, ngati sichoncho, ndithudi, zikuwoneka ngati njira yokhayo yoyankhira. Koma palibe chinthu chonga ntchito yandale yachilengedwe.
Palibe njira yomwe anthu samayankhira zinthu, palibe mphamvu yamatsenga yomwe imapangitsa anthu kuchita zoyenera poyankha vuto. Muyenera kumanga pazaka zambiri zamalingaliro ndi ndale komanso mbiri yakale kuti mufotokoze momwe njira ina idakhalira yolamulira. Ndipo ndimachita izi m'bukhu, koma sindikufuna kulowa mozama mu mbiri yakale, koma ndikuchotsa zinthu zonsezi ndikufotokozera komwe zidachokera.
Maximillian Alvarez:
Chabwino, kuti muyenerere kuti muyenerere izi, mukutsatira mutu woyamba, zili ngati bwanji komanso chifukwa chiyani ziwonetsero za anthu ambiri zidatulukira ngati njira yopezera kusintha kwa chikhalidwe.
Vincent Bevins:
Ndendende. Ndipo pofika m'ma 2010, sikunali ziwonetsero zokhazokha, koma kunali mtundu wina wake. Zinali ziwonetsero zopanda atsogoleri, zokonzedwa mopingasa, zolumikizidwa ndi digito m'mabwalo agulu kapena m'malo opezeka anthu ambiri. Ndipo pazifukwa zilizonse, ndi zifukwa izi zimatuluka m'mbiri yomwe timanena m'bukuli, m'nkhaniyi. Ndikuganiza kuti mukatenga bukuli, muwona kuti ndi mbiri yakale osati mikangano. Koma zifukwa izi zimawonekera m'nkhaniyi. Izi zidakhala zosakwanira bwino zomwe ziwonetsero zomwe ziwonetserozi zidayambitsa. Munjira zambiri, mndandanda wa mikangano iyi, njira iyi inali yabwinoko kuposa momwe aliyense amayembekezera, kuyika anthu m'misewu ndikusokoneza kapena kugwetsa maboma omwe alipo, koma kosayenera kwambiri kuthana ndi zomwe zidapangidwa ndi anthu onse. anthu m'misewu.
Ndipo chifukwa chake mumayambira ku Tunisia ndikutha, ndikumaliza zaka khumi koyambirira kwa 2020 chifukwa zimathandiza, chabwino, ndidayambanso mu 2019, zidathandizira kuyika zomwe ndimachita. Ndipo mukuwona kudutsa zaka khumi zimenezo, osati kupatsirana kwa mphamvu, koma nthawi zambiri kukopera ndi kumata machenjerero omwe adapangidwa muzochitika zandale zadziko, zosiyana kwambiri. Ndipo ndithudi, kukopera ndi kumata machenjerero amenewo atatsimikiziridwa kale kuti akulephera poyamba. Koma anthu ngati ine anali atasiya kumvetsera. Anthu onga ine, monga munanenera m’mawu oyamba aja, atolankhani akale anali atasonyeza kwa mphindi ya chigonjetso chaulemerero, chosangalatsa ndipo kenaka onse ananyamula ndi kupita kwinakwake, ndipo dziko lonse linasiya kumvetsera. Chifukwa chake intaneti idatilola kuti tizilimbikitsana wina ndi mnzake, komanso kukopera zinthu zomwe sizinali zoyenera pazochitika zilizonse.
Ndipo cholinga, lingaliro ndilakuti mu zaka 10, mutha kuyang'ana mmbuyo pa izi ndikuti, o, chabwino, amene adabzala mbewu zomwe pamapeto pake zidakula kukhala chigonjetso chenicheni. Koma kuti izi zikhale zoona zaka 10 kuchokera pano, zaka 10 zikubwerazi ziyenera kukhala ndi kuphunzira maphunzirowa ndikumanganso ndi kumanga bwino.
Maximillian Alvarez:
Ndikuganiza kuti, kachiwiri, ndi mfundo yofunika kwambiri, koma ndizovuta kwambiri, makamaka kwa ife omwe timadziona tokha, ngati si olimbikitsa, anthu omwe amamva kuti akuphatikizidwa ndi zomwe mwanena. Timadziona tokha mumsasa wa anthu ambiri omwe akufuna kuti zinthu zisinthe, ndipo izi zikutanthauza kuti ndi zosayenera, kuphatikizika ndi kusalungama kwa dongosolo lazachuma padziko lonse lapansi lomwe likungoyamwa zonse zomwe zimachokera m'madera athu. , kupha dziko lapansi, kuchirikiza nkhondo yosatha, yada, yada, yada. Ndizomveka kuti ambiri aife tingafune kuti izi zisinthe, kuponderezedwa kwadongosolo komwe timakumana nako tsiku ndi tsiku. Ndipo zimamveka ngati, ndipo ndimamva ngati, chifukwa ndikuganiza tsopano ndikungomva mukulankhula, ndikuganiza za anthu osiyanasiyana omwe ndalankhula nawo kwa zaka zambiri omwe anali m'malo olimbana nawo.
Imodzi yomwe yangobwera kumene m'maganizo pakali pano inali 2011, Kuukira kwa Wisconsin, chifukwa pali zambiri zokhudza nthawi imeneyo zomwe zinali mbiri yakale, ndipo pali mbali zambiri za njira zomwe mudatchula zomwe zimakhalabe ndi kuwala kwinakwake pazochitika zamatsenga. kuyenda. Monga zoti anthu a ku Tahrir Square amayitanitsa ma pizza kwa anthu okhala ku likulu la boma ku Madison, ichi ndi chinthu chabwino kwambiri chomwe chachitika. Ndipo ndikamalankhula ndi anthu aku Wisconsin, ndinali komweko ndikuwuza anthu ogwira ntchito m'boma ndi mabungwe aboma ali bwanji zaka 10 pambuyo pa Act 10? Amakumbukirabe zimenezi mwachikondi. Ndipo ali ngati, "Izi zidatilimbikitsa kwambiri ndikutipangitsa kumva ngati china chake chikusintha, ngati tili gawo lakusintha kwapadziko lonse lapansi." Koma kachiwiri, zotsatira za Bevins zimabwera ndipo zili ngati, chabwino, chinachitika ndi chiyani pambuyo pake?
Scott Walker adapitilirabe kudzera mu Act 10, adatenga chomenyera anthu ogwira ntchito m'mabungwe. Zaka zingapo pambuyo pake, Wisconsin, m'njira zambiri, malo obadwirako gulu lopita patsogolo m'dziko lino ndi chimodzi mwazofunikira za kayendetsedwe ka ntchito m'dziko lino kukhala dziko loyenera kugwira ntchito. Kotero ife tinataya, chabwino? Tidakhala ndi zionetsero zodziwika bwino kwambiri m'mbiri ya boma pomwe anthu, alimi, ophunzira, aphunzitsi, ogwira ntchito m'boma amitundu yonse anali kutenga likulu la boma. Iwo anachigwira icho. Zinali ngati pamene Zapata ndi Villa m'magulu awo adasonkhana ku Mexico City mu 1914, ndipo adachoka. Kenako chidutswa cha zoyipa chimabwera pambuyo pake. Chifukwa chake ndikuganiza zomwe ndikunena zili ngati bukhu lanu ndipo mbiriyi imatikakamiza kuti tiganizire, zili ngati zili bwino kuti tilimbikitsidwe ndi nthawi za mgwirizano popanda kuyang'anira momwe amathandizira pakulimbana komwe tikuyesera kupambana. Ndipo mpaka pano, sitiri.
Vincent Bevins:
Inde. Ndipo tikamalankhula za mgwirizano, sindikuganiza kuti ndizoyang'anira kunena kuti chiwonetsero cha mgwirizano kuchokera ku Egypt kupita ku US kupita ku Brazil, Turkey, tinene, Indonesia, chiwonetsero chamgwirizano ndichinthu chomwe ndikuganiza. kuti simusowa kufunsa konse. Palibe chilichonse chokhudza izi chomwe chiyenera kufufuzidwa. Ichi ndi chimodzi mwazinthu zomwe intaneti imabweretsa zomwe, ndikuganiza, zabwino komanso zabwino, ndikuti mutha kusinthana mawu okoma mtima ndi mgwirizano mumlengalenga ndi nthawi yomweyo.
Tsopano, nkhani yovuta kwambiri ndi pamene njira zimamasuliridwa mlengalenga ndi nthawi pamene, monga ndanenera, mikhalidwe imakhala yosiyana kwambiri. Chifukwa chake ndikuganiza kuti mwina pafupifupi njira iliyonse yomwe ndingaganizire, pali nthawi ndi malo ake, koma palinso nthawi ndi malo ambiri pomwe njira inayake siyingagwire ntchito, ndipo zimafunikira kuphunzira mozama, monga kusamala. kusanthula zikhalidwe zomwe mukulimbana nazo.
Ndiyeno kachiwiri, chodabwitsa ichi chimene chimachitika mu 2010s pamene inu kulanda machenjerero kuti kwenikweni sanagwire ntchito mu osiyana ndi malo oyambirira kumene iwo anayamba. Ndipo njira imodzi yomwe mungatsatire izi, ndipo izi zimagwira ntchito bwino ndipo mwangozi sizinali bwino pazaka khumi zapitazi, ndikuti Tunisia imalimbikitsa Tahrir Square. Tahrir Square yaphulika padziko lonse lapansi. Ichi ndi chiwonetsero cholimbikitsa kwambiri, pazifukwa zomveka, za anthu akugwirira ntchito limodzi ndikudzuka. Koma kenako mumapeza mtundu wa Tahrir Square wotengedwa ku Western Europe ndi Indian ndi Occupy Wall Street. Chifukwa chake Adbusters Magazine akuti, tiyenera kuchita Tahrir Square ku Manhattan. Ndipo sitiyenera kulowa mozama mu izi, koma ndikuganiza kuti Occupy Wall Street imagwira ntchito. Occupy Wall Street imachita zambiri ndikubzala mbewu za chinthu chabwino chomwe chimamera pambuyo pake, makamaka chifukwa sichikhala gulu lachiwonetsero cha anthu ambiri, chifukwa sichimatseka Manhattan momwe Tahrir adatseka. ku Egypt.
Kubweretsa chitsanzo cha ku Brazil mu izi, chikanachitika nchiyani ngati anthu 10 miliyoni atangolowa ku Occupy Wall Street? Ndiyeno nchiyani chikanati chichitike? Koma chodabwitsa, ndikuganiza kuti Occupy Wall Street, ngakhale ndikulowetsamo chitsanzo kuchokera kumalo osiyana kwambiri, amatha kugwira ntchito chifukwa amapereka maikolofoni kwa malingaliro omwe anthu sanamvepo. Ndipo izo zimabzala mbewu za mitundu yonse ya anthu omwe alowa nawo ndale pazaka khumi zapitazi. Koma kenako mukupita ku Hong Kong mu 2014. Ku Hong Kong 2014, akukopera Occupy Wall Street, yomwe ndi buku la Tunisia, ndipo izi ndi zomwe Sisi zachitika kale ku Egypt. Izi ndi pambuyo pa chitsanzo choyambirira cha Tahrir. Sizikugwira ntchito m'malo momwe zimawoneka zolimbikitsa poyamba, koma zimangopitirizabe kusinthidwanso m'zaka khumi zomwe ndikuganiza kuti ndizomveka.
Monga ndidanenera, aliyense amene ndimakhala naye, ndimakhala pansi mwachifundo [inaudible 00:45:58] kuti ndimvetsetse zomwe zidachitika. Koma ndizomvekanso chifukwa chake izi sizinachitike momwe timafunira. Kusemphana kotereku ndi chinthu chomwe, o, eya, chabwino, ndiye tiyeni tikhale pansi ndikuganiza kuti chinali chiyani. Ndipo nthawi zambiri, phunziro lomwe limachokera mu izi ndikuti chinthu chomwe mungakhale nacho, chinthu chomwe mungachite chomwe chingakupangitseni kuti mupambane pamene kuphulika kumabwera, ngati kubwera, ndikugwira ntchito kunja. nyengo yomanga pamene palibe, ndipo zikuwoneka ngati palibe chomwe chikuchitika, kumanga mabungwe, kumanga maulalo ndi anthu anzanu omwe akufunanso kusintha dziko momwe mukuchitira. Mangani mabungwe ogwirizana komanso ademokalase omwe akuyang'anitsitsa zomwe zikuchitika pansi, kumvetsera mwatcheru mwayi, komanso zomwe zingatheke ndikuyankha, kapena moyenerera, njira zosinthira pamene zinthu zikusintha.
Izi zimakonda kukhala magulu amtunduwu. Ngati mukufuna kubwera ndi rubriki yotakata kwambiri, monga ndidanenera, izi sizili wandiweyani, mwachiyembekezo, ndizosavuta kuwerenga, koma ndi mbiri yakale ndipo mayankho ali m'mbiri. Koma ngati mukufuna kubwera ndi rubriki yotakata kwambiri kuti muwone yemwe amapambana ndi amene alephera, anthu omwe ali okonzeka kwambiri chipolopolo chisanayambe ndi anthu omwe amachita bwino komanso omwe akugwira ntchito kale pamodzi ndi anzawo. ndi omwe amakonda kupeza zambiri zomwe akufuna kuchokera kukubwera mosayembekezereka kwachisokonezo m'misewu.
Maximillian Alvarez:
Chifukwa chake ndimakonda mfundoyi, ndipo ndikufuna kutsimikiziranso kuti anthu akumvetsera, Vincent ndi wolemba bwino, wosavuta kuwerenga ngakhale mutakhala kuti mukuwerenga zambiri komanso mbiri yanu. Chifukwa chake ndikukutsimikizirani, anyamata, kuti ngati mukusangalatsidwa ndi zokambiranazi, mudzalikonda bukuli ndipo muyenera kupita kukawona. Ndipo ife takhala ngati tinathera pamene ine ndinkafuna kukathera. Ndikudziwa kuti ndakupezani kwa mphindi zingapo pano, koma ndikufuna kuyang'ana pa izo, chifukwa kachiwiri, iyi ndi malo olunjika odutsana ndi malo olimbana ndi ntchito yomwe timaphimba pawonetsero sabata iliyonse.
Koma ndikuganiza tisanafike kumeneko, chinthu chimodzi chomwe ndimafuna kunena ndichakuti, ndikuganiza chinthu chotonthoza, ngati pangakhale chitonthozo, kusanthula kozama koma kofunikira komwe mukukonza, kuyang'ana kupitilira Kuwala koyambirira kwa chiyembekezo ndi kudzoza ndi mphamvu zomwe mumakhala nazo pansi m'misewu, kuwona anthu akuwuka, ngakhale zotsatira za kuwukako zimakhala zotsutsana kwambiri ndi zomwe anthu amanena kuti akufuna kuti zichitike, koma ndizo. zosavuta kukhala ngati kuyamwa ndi mphindi ya mphamvu ndipo inu mukhoza kumva palpable kuthekera kwa kusintha pamene inu muli pansi mu unyinji wa anthu. Ndizomveka.
Koma ife, monga atolankhani, ife, monga okonza mapulani, ife, monga anthu omwe tikufuna kuwona zosinthazo zikuchitika, zikufika ponseponse, ndikuganiza chinthu chimodzi chachikulu chochokera kwa ine m'buku lanu chinali momwe timachitira izi mu ntchito yomwe timapanga. chitani, fotokozani za izo moona mtima, molondola, osati kuchepetsa izo, komabe kuzindikira kuti pali chinachake champhamvu mwa anthu kubwera palimodzi kumeneko. Pali chifukwa chomwe timalimbikitsidwa ndi izi ndikuganiza kuti zibweretsa kusintha komwe tikufuna kuwona. Sikuti chimenecho nchoipa, koma tikuyenera kukhala otsutsa kwambiri za nthawi yayitali… Poyang'ana nthawi ya kuphulika kwa nthawi yayitali ya mbiri yakale ndipo tiyenera kutsatira ndipo tikufuna masewera apansi, monga munanenera. Timafunikira bungwe lamphamvu lomwe tikumanga ngakhale m'malo amenewo, makamaka munthawi zomwe zimawoneka ngati palibe chomwe chikuchitika.
Ndipo monga momwe ndimanenera gawo lotonthoza la izi, chifukwa zimatha kukhala zodetsa nkhawa kudziwa ngati, o, zoyipa, eya, takhala tikumenyana m'misewu. Takhala tikupeza zosemphana ndi zomwe tikufuna, m'njira yoti mwa iyo yokha si vuto latsopano kwa kumanzere kapena kwa anthu ogwira ntchito. Ndipotu, zaka zana zapitazo, otsalira ku Western Europe ndi Western Hemisphere anali kuyesa kudziwa chifukwa chake sitingathe kuchita zomwe Bolsheviks anachita chifukwa tinayesetsa ndipo sizinagwire ntchito, koma zinagwira ntchito ku Russia. Chifukwa chake mukapeza Gramsci, mufika ku Luxembourg, mumapeza khamu lonse la anthu omwe akuyesera kuti adziwe chifukwa chomwe mikhalidwe yaku Western Europe idapangitsa kuti zisakhale zotheka kutengera gawo lapakati lamphamvu monga momwe ma Bolsheviks adatha kutero. Russia.
Ndiye titani ndi izo? Ngati sitipeza kusintha komwe tikufuna, ngati tayesa ndikulephera, ndiye timatani? Kenako kuunikanso mwanzeru kumayamba, ndipo ndiye mfundo yomwe tili pano, zikuwoneka.
Vincent Bevins:
Ndipo ndikuganiza kuti mukulondola kunena kuti izi sizachilendo. Ndikuganiza kuti m'badwo wanga, makamaka ku US, anthu ngati ine, koma ichi chinali chizoloŵezi chodziwika bwino kumayambiriro kwa zaka za m'ma 2010, ndikuti tinali kuiwala chowonadi chowona, chosatha, chambiri chomwe tsogolo limatenga nthawi yayitali. Ngati mukufuna kusintha dziko, muyenera kusonkhana ndikuchitadi. Muyenera kupanga yatsopano. Ndipo ndikuganiza kuti m'badwo wanga, womwe ukukulira m'zaka za makumi asanu ndi anayi ndi zomwe zimatchedwa kutha kwa mbiri yakale, makamaka ngati muli ngati ine, monga ndanenera poyamba, anthu ambiri ngati ine amatha kukhala olemberana ndi mayiko akunja, makamaka ngati inu Ndinu mzungu wapakati ku United States, mutha kuyang'ana m'mbuyo zaka 250 za mbiriyakale pomwe chilichonse chidangoyenda bwino chokha. Ndipo makamaka kumapeto kwa Cold War ndi mtundu waulere wa nkhaniyo yomwe idauzidwa kwa m'badwo wanga, zomwe zimasiya kusiya pang'ono, zomwe ndimakambirana m'bukuli, ndikupanga intaneti.
M'badwo wanga unayamba kuganiza kuti ali ngati, chabwino, ndi chinyengo chimodzi chodabwitsa, mutha kungopanga Utopia. Ngati tingochita chipolowe chimodzi mwanjira yangwiro, ndi momwemo. Ndiwo mathero enieni a mbiriyakale, ndiye ife tiri kumeneko. Ma social media kuphatikiza mphamvu kuphatikiza kukomerana bwino, kuphulika kumodzi kokha kudzathetsa vuto lomwe lakhala likuvutitsa anthu kuyambira pomwe tidakhala anthu, ndimotani momwe timakhalira bwino wina ndi mnzake? sindikuyesera ku-
Maximillian Alvarez:
Tikugwira ntchito.
Vincent Bevins:
Working People ndi podcast yokhudza moyo wa anthu ogwira ntchito m'zaka za zana la 21. Mugawo lililonse, mumamva zoyankhulana ndi ogwira ntchito osiyanasiyana. Anthu Ogwira Ntchito akufuna kugawana ndi kukondwerera nkhani zosiyanasiyana za anthu ogwira ntchito, kudzikumbutsa tokha kuti nkhani zathu ndi zofunika, komanso kuti tipeze kulimbana ndi mgwirizano pakati pa ogwira ntchito padziko lonse lapansi.
Inde, sizinali zoyipa kapena zamisala kapena zoyipa kukhala ndi chiyembekezo chambiri momwe m'badwo wanga mwina unali 10, zaka 15 zapitazo, koma zinali zolakwika. Zinapezeka kuti sizowona konse, kuti intaneti imapereka ufulu. Ndikuganiza kuti intaneti ikhoza, intaneti mwachidziwitso, koma intaneti yomwe tili nayo, yomwe imayang'aniridwa ndi oligarchs, yolimbikitsidwa ndi phindu, ndipo imathandizidwa ndi ndalama zotsatsa malonda ndikulimbikitsidwa ndi kufunikira kotisunga ife ku zowonetsera zathu ziribe kanthu. zomwe zimatengera, ndiyo intaneti yosiyana kwambiri ndi intaneti yomwe ingatheke. Ndipo ndikuganiza kuti ichi chiyenera kukhala chomwe tiyenera kudzipereka kwa nthawi yayitali, kuyesa kupanga kuti tipindulenso intaneti kuchokera kwa osankhika. Koma ndikutanthauza, eya, kotero tidayenera kuphunziranso phunziro lomwe aliyense adaphunzirapo m'mbiri ya anthu, zomwe ndizovuta kwambiri, mbiri yakale ndi yayitali ndipo tsogolo ndi lalitali, ndipo muyenera kutero. Ndipo ndizo zabwino. Zili bwino. Chifukwa ngati mutha kuzindikira zomwe muyenera kuchita, ngati mutha kuzindikira kuti kuyesa kumodzi ndikuyesa ziwiri ndikolakwika, koma ngati mutha kupanga zomwe mungayesere katatu, sindingaganize njira ina yabwino yokhalira moyo wanga wonse. kuposa kugwira ntchito limodzi ndi anthu ena kuyesa kupanga dziko labwino. Ndi chiyani chinanso chomwe muyenera kuchita padziko lapansi pano?
Maximillian Alvarez:
Monga Samuel Beckett wamkulu, adayika, yesaninso, lepheraninso, lepherani bwino. Ndipo ndipamene ndimafuna kumalizirira chifukwa uku kunali kukambirana kwabwino bambo. Ndikuyamikira kwambiri kuti mwatenga nthawi yayitali kuti mulankhule nane za izi. Ndipo kachiwiri, aliyense azipita kukawerenga mabuku a Vincent, osati buku latsopanoli Ngati Tiwotcha: The Mass Protest Decade ndi The Missing Revolution, koma buku lake lapitalo, The Jakarta Method, onse ofunikira amawerengedwa. Koma ndikulingalira pa mfundo yomalizayi, pamene ndinanena kuti izi zikusemphana ndi zomwe timawonetsa pano pawonetsero sabata iliyonse, tikuwona mtundu wa seweroli pompano. Kwa nthawi yoyamba m'mbiri ya United Auto Workers, mgwirizanowu ukukhudza onse atatu akuluakulu opanga magalimoto.
Tsopano, mkangano waukulu pakali pano, makamaka pakati kumanzere ndi anthu ogwira ntchito ndi UAW pansi pa utsogoleri watsopano motsogozedwa ndi kusintha Purezidenti Sean Fame akutenga njira yatsopano yomenyera nkhondo yotchedwa standup strategy, komwe m'malo moyitana mamembala onse a 146,000 a UAW akugwira ntchito. kudutsa Atatu Akuluakulu mpaka pamzere wa picket nthawi imodzi, adayamba kuyitana zomera zitatu kuti ziyambe kugunda masabata awiri apitawo. Ndiyeno Lachisanu lapitali, adayitana anthu ambiri ammudzi pa Big Three, GM ndi Stellantis. Ndiye iyi ndi njira yomwe anthu akuyesera kuwunika munthawi yeniyeni chifukwa anthu ambiri amakhala ngati, "Chabwino, bwanji osangowagunda pomwe zimapweteka ndi aliyense nthawi imodzi?" Kukhala ngati kugwira ntchito pamalingaliro omwewo, ngati tingotengera unyinji wa anthu mmisewu apambana.
Koma kwenikweni, zomwe ndakhala ndikuchenjeza anthu ndizakuti, taonani, sindikudziwa ngati njira iyi idzagwira ntchito, koma ndikudziwa kuti njira yongotulutsa aliyense pamzere wa picket nthawi imodzi popanda kugwirizana, bungwe. ndi kukhala ngati kugawana zenizeni, malingaliro olakwika a zomwe tikumenyera, zomwe sizinagwire ntchito. Izi ndi zomwe UAW idachita pomwe idagunda GM mu 2019. Adayitanira onse ogwira ntchito 40-kuphatikiza chikwi pamzere wa picket ndipo adagwidwa, sichoncho? Ndipo pamenepa, ngati atayitanira mamembala awo onse pamzere wa picket nthawi imodzi, kampaniyo imadziwa ndalama zomwe zili mu UAW Strike Fund. Amadziwa kuti adikire kwa nthawi yayitali bwanji kuti ndalamazo zithe. Chifukwa chake imakhala nkhondo yankhondo panthawiyo ndipo mulibe makhadi ena oti musewere. Koma ngati mupanga njira yoyimilira, mumadzipatsa mwayi wopitilira kukakamiza makampani omwe ali pagome lazokambirana. Chifukwa chake zonse zomwe ndikunena ndikuti ntchito ikuyesera kuzilingalira ndikuwongolera zolakwika zake zam'mbuyomu.
Ndipo ndicho chinthu chabwino, ndipo tiyenera kukhala nawo pazokambiranazi. Ngati buku la Vince litiuza chilichonse, zili ngati sitiyenera kungoganiza kuti kubweretsa anthu ambiri m'misewu kumabweretsa kusintha komwe tikufuna. Tiyenera kukhala osaganiza bwino komanso otsutsa komanso okonzekera bwino pazimenezi. Kapena monga pamene anthu amati, "O, kodi iyi ndi yomwe itsogolere ku kunyanyala?" Ndipo ndikanakonda kuwona sitiraka. Zimenezo zingakhale zabwino. Izi sizingachitike pokhapokha titakonza abulu athu pakati pa ziwonetsero tsiku lililonse, kupanga mgwirizano, kuthandiza anthu pamisonkhano yambiri yomwe siili a Mgwirizano.
Ndi 10% yokha ya ogwira ntchito aku America omwe ali mumgwirizano mdziko muno pakali pano. Chifukwa chake ngati tikufuna kumanga bungwe, dongosolo la mabungwe, ngati tikufuna kukhala ndi mphamvu yotsalira ya gulu lomwe lingakhale lanzeru, lomwe lingathe kukhalabe ndi mphamvu pambuyo pakuphulika koyamba kwaukali, ndiye kuti tidzakhala okonzeka kwambiri. kutengerapo mwayi pa nthawi zomwe zikubwera. Kodi ndikuwerenga molondola? Kodi ichi ndi chimodzi mwazinthu zazikulu zotengera zomwe tiyenera kusiya anthu nazo kuno?
Vincent Bevins:
Sindingathe kuyankhula ndi njira yabwino kwambiri ya UAW, koma ndinganene kuti zomwe zimachokera ku kafukufuku wa bukuli ndikuti njira ndiyo njira yoyenera, kuganiza mozama za zomwe mungachite pakati pawo. ndi nthawi yayitali komanso zotsatira zake zomwe zidzakhale. Ndipo monga mukunenera, kuyang'ana pakumanga, nyumbayo, ngati mumakhulupirira gulu la ogwira ntchito, muyenera kumangirira. Chifukwa chake muyenera kupeza nambalayi kuyambira 10 mpaka 15, mokwera momwe mungathere. Momwe mungamangire tsopano, ndizabwinoko pakapita nthawi.
Ndipo mwina, ndiyo njira imodzi yomwe ndingayesere kubweretsanso izi ku gawo loyambirira la zokambirana pomwe timakambirana za media, ndikudzudzula zovuta za utolankhani momwe zilili. Monga momwe zimakhalira ndi mayendedwe padziko lonse lapansi omwe amayang'ana boma linalake lomwe anali nalo lomwe linali lopanda ungwiro kwambiri. Monga demokalase iliyonse, monga boma lililonse loyimilira, ndikuganiza kuti utolankhani uyenera kutsutsidwa nthawi zonse kuti ugwire ntchito moyenera, momwe ungathere. Utolankhani uyenera kutsutsidwa mosalekeza nthawi zonse. Koma ndikuganiza kuti monga momwe zimakhalira, kungosangalala ndi malingaliro amenewo ndikuyembekeza kuti china chake chabwino chidzatuluka mu zinyalala ndizoopsa kwambiri, chifukwa chomwe chidzachitike ndikuti oligarchs adzalowa mumpanda wa mphamvuyo.
Chifukwa chake chinthu choti muchite, komanso, izi sizophweka, monga kuti sikophweka kupeza umembala wamgwirizano mdziko muno kuposa 10%, muyenera kupanga chilengedwe chomwe mukufuna kuwona. Kusangalala ngati malo ogulitsira, atha kukhala ndi ndale zosiyana ndi inu, utolankhani nthawi zonse umakhala wopanda ungwiro ku United States, koma kungosangalalira kutulutsa kwamakampani ndikuyembekeza kuti mzimu wamatsenga wadziko lapansi, kapena mbiri yakale yokhala ndi likulu H, ndi tingopanga media za demokalase zomwe tikuyenera, ndizowopsa, chifukwa ndikuganiza kuti oligarchs aukadaulo azingobwera ndikungotenga zomwe zatsala ndikuzigwiritsa ntchito pazolinga zawo.
Phunziro ndi kumanga. Ndipo chifukwa chake izi zitha kumveka zovuta, ndikuganiza kuti cholimbikitsa ndichakuti mukadziwa zomwe muyenera kuchita, kusonkhana ndi anthu ndikumanga kungakhale njira yabwino yogwiritsira ntchito moyo wanu.
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