Pa Meyi 30, Khothi Lalikulu ku Britain linakana apilo yomaliza ya Julian Assange yotsutsa kubwezeredwa ku Sweden. Mwanjira yomwe sinachitikepo, bwalo lamilandu lapereka chilolezo kwa gulu loteteza mkonzi wa WikiLeaks kuti 'apemphenso' kukhoti pakatha milungu iwiri. Madzulo a chigamulocho, nyuzipepala ya m'mawa ku Sweden, Dagens Nyheter, yemwe amadziwika kuti DN, adafunsa mtolankhani wofufuza John Pilger, yemwe adatsatira kwambiri mlandu wa Assange. Zotsatirazi ndizolemba zonse za zokambiranazo, zomwe gawo limodzi lokha linasindikizidwa ku Sweden.
DN: Julian Assange wakhala akulimbana ndi kutumizidwa ku Sweden m'makhothi angapo aku Britain. Mukuganiza kuti nchifukwa chiyani ndikofunikira kuti apambane?
JP Chifukwa kuyesa kutulutsa Assange ndikopanda chilungamo komanso ndale. Ndawerenga pafupifupi mbali zonse zaumboni pankhaniyi ndipo zikuwonekeratu, mogwirizana ndi chilungamo chachilengedwe, kuti palibe mlandu womwe wapalamula. Mlanduwu sunafike mpaka pano pakadapanda kulowererapo kwa a Claes Borgstrom, wandale yemwe adawona mwayi pomwe woimira boma ku Stockholm adataya pafupifupi milandu yonse ya apolisi. Borgstrom ndiye anali mkati mwa kampeni yachisankho. Atafunsidwa chifukwa chake mlanduwu ukupitirira pamene amayi onse adanena kuti kugonana kunali kogwirizana ndi Assange, anayankha kuti, "Aa, koma si maloya." Ngati Khoti Lalikulu ku London lakana apilo ya Assange, chiyembekezo chimodzi ndi ufulu wa makhothi aku Sweden. Komabe, monga London Independent waulula, Sweden ndi US ayamba kale kukambirana za "kudzipereka kwakanthawi" kwa Assange ku US - komwe akukumana ndi milandu yomangidwa komanso chiyembekezo chokhala m'ndende zopanda malire. Ndipo chifukwa chiyani? Zonena zoona zenizeni. Mswede aliyense amene amasamala za chilungamo ndi mbiri ya anthu amtundu wake ayenera kusamala kwambiri za izi.
DN: Mwanena kuti ufulu wachibadwidwe wa Julian Assange waphwanyidwa. Munjira yotani?
JP Umodzi mwaufulu wachibadwidwe wofunikira kwambiri - woganiza kuti ndi wosalakwa - wakhala ukuphwanyidwa mobwerezabwereza pamlandu wa Assange. Woweruzidwa kuti alibe mlandu uliwonse, wakhala akuphedwa - wachinyengo komanso wankhanza - komanso woyipa kwambiri pazandale, zomwe umboni wake ndi wochuluka. Izi ndi zomwe loya wodziwika bwino komanso wodziwa bwino za ufulu wachibadwidwe ku Britain, Gareth Peirce, adalemba kuti: "Poganizira kuchuluka kwa zokambirana zapagulu, nthawi zambiri pamaziko a malingaliro onama ... Tsopano wapachikidwa pa iye osati malupanga amodzi koma awiri a Damocles omwe angathe kutumizidwa kumadera awiri osiyana potsata milandu iwiri yosiyana, yomwe siinali milandu m'dziko lake. omwe ali ndi vuto lalikulu pazandale."
DN: Inu, komanso a Julian Assange, simukuwoneka kuti muli ndi chidaliro m'mabwalo amilandu aku Sweden. Kulekeranji?
JP: Ndizovuta kukhala ndi chidaliro mu dongosolo lozenga milandu lomwe liri losemphana kwambiri ndikugwiritsa ntchito mwachipongwe atolankhani kukwaniritsa zolinga zake. Kaya Khothi Lalikulu ku London lapeza kapena kutsutsana ndi Assange, kuti mlanduwu wafika kukhothi lalikulu kwambiri mdziko muno ndi kudzudzula luso komanso chilimbikitso cha omwe akufuna kumutsekera m'ndende, popeza anali ndi mwayi wambiri. kumufunsa bwino. Ndi chiwonongeko chotani nanga zonsezi.
DN: Ngati Julian Assange ndi wosalakwa, monga akunena, sizikanakhala bwino ngati anapita ku Stockholm kukakonza zinthu?
JP Assange anayesa "kukonza zinthu", monga momwe mumanenera. Kuyambira pachiyambi, adapereka mobwerezabwereza kuti afunse mafunso - poyamba ku Sweden, kenako ku UK. Anapempha ndikulandira chilolezo chochoka ku Sweden - zomwe zimapangitsa kuti zikhale zopanda pake ponena kuti wapewa kufunsa mafunso. Woyimira boma yemwe adamuthamangitsa adakana kufotokoza chifukwa chake sangagwiritse ntchito njira zomwe Sweden ndi UK adasainira.
DN: NGATI Khothi Lalikulu litagamula kuti Julain Assange atumizidwe ku Sweden, ndi zotsatira zotani / zoopsa zomwe mukuwona kwa iye?
JP: Choyamba, ndinganene za mmene anthu wamba aku Sweden amaonera chilungamo komanso chilungamo. Tsoka, kuphimba omwe ndi osankhika aku Sweden omwe adapanga maulalo oyipa komanso owopsa ndi Washington. Anthu amphamvuwa ali ndi zifukwa zonse zowonera Julian Assange ngati chiwopsezo. Chifukwa chimodzi, mbiri yawo yodzitukumula yosalowerera ndale yaululidwa mobwerezabwereza ngati chinyengo mu zingwe za US zomwe zidatsitsidwa ndi WikiLeaks. Chingwe chimodzi chinavumbula kuti "kuchuluka kwa [asilikali a ku Sweden ndi luntha] kugwirizana [ndi Nato] sikudziwika kwambiri" ndipo pokhapokha ngati kusungidwa mwachinsinsi "kungatsegule boma kuti litsutse m'banja". WikiLeaks imayika kusalowerera ndale m'mbiri yakale. Kodi anthu aku Sweden alibe ufulu wodziwa zomwe amphamvu amanena mwachinsinsi m'dzina lawo?
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