Monga ofuna ku Republican adalumbira kuti adzakulitsa nkhondo ku Middle East, pulofesa Stephen Zunes akuwona momwe ambiri mwa omwe adasankhidwa adanyalanyaza momwe kuwukira kwa US ku Iraq kunathandizira kupanga zomwe zidadziwika kuti Islamic State. "Panali chiwonetsero cha testosterone chomwe chimayikidwa ndi amuna omwe amadziwa pang'ono za Middle East komanso magwero a zinthu monyanyira," adatero Zunes ponena za mkanganowo.
YOSH JAKOBO: Ndine Josh Jacob wochokera ku Georgia Tech. Posachedwapa, Donald Lipenga ananena kuti tiyenera kupha mabanja a ISIS mamembala. Komabe, izi zikuphwanya mfundo yosiyanitsa anthu wamba ndi omenyera nkhondo pamalamulo apadziko lonse lapansi. Ndiye funso langa ndilakuti: Kodi kupha mwadala anthu wamba osalakwa kungatisiyanitse bwanji? ISIS?
WOLF BLITZER: Bambo Trump?
Donal dzina TRUMP: Tiyenera kukhala olimba kwambiri. Tiyenera kukhala amphamvu kwambiri kuposa momwe takhalira. Tili ndi anthu omwe akudziwa zomwe zikuchitika. Mukuwona zomwe zidachitika ku California tsiku lina. Panali anthu ambiri, kuphatikizapo amayi, omwe ankadziwa zomwe zinkachitika. Anaona bomba la chitoliro litakhala pansi. Anaona zipolopolo paliponse. Iwo ankadziwa bwinobwino zimene zinkachitika. Pamene munali ndi World Trade Center kupita, anthu anaikidwa mu ndege zomwe anali abwenzi, achibale, atsikana, ndipo anaikidwa mu ndege, ndipo iwo anabwezeretsedwa, makamaka, ku Saudi Arabia. Iwo ankadziwa chimene chinali kuchitika. Iwo anapita kunyumba, ndipo ankafuna kuonera zibwenzi zawo pa TV. Ndikadakhala wokhazikika kwambiri ndi mabanja. Ndipo kunena zoona, zimenezi zidzachititsa anthu kuganiza, chifukwa mwina sangaganizire kwambiri za moyo wawo, koma amasamala za moyo wa mabanja awo, kukhulupirira kapena ayi.
JEB BUSH: Donald, izi si—izi ndi—
WOLF BLITZER: Bwana Bush? Bwana Bush?
JEB BUSH: Ichi ndi chitsanzo china cha kusowa kofunika. Taonani, izi—izi zikuvutitsa, chifukwa ife tiri pa nkhondo. Atilengeza nkhondo, ndipo tikuyenera kukhala ndi njira yoti tiwonongere ISIS. Koma lingaliro lakuti imeneyo ndi njira yothetsera vutoli—ndi yopenga basi. Palibe zomveka kunena izi. Taonani, miyezi iwiri yapitayo, Donald Trump ananena izo ISIS sinali nkhondo yathu—miyezi iwiri yokha yapitayo. Iye anati—
Donal dzina TRUMP: Sindinanenepo zimenezo.
JEB BUSH: -kuti Hillary Clinton adzakhala wokambirana bwino ndi Iran. Ndipo amapeza zochitika zake zakunja kuchokera kuwonetsero.
Donal dzina TRUMP: O, bwerani. Ndipatseni [osamveka].
JEB BUSH: Ameneyo si munthu wofunika kwambiri. Tikufuna wina woganizira izi, yemwe angatsogolere dziko lathu kuchitetezo ndi chitetezo.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndiye a Jeb Bush ndi a Donald Trump omwe adakumana usiku watha pamkangano wapurezidenti wa Republican ku Las Vegas. Tikuphatikizidwanso ndi Stephen Zunes, pulofesa wa ndale ndi maphunziro apadziko lonse ku yunivesite ya San Francisco, kumene amatsogolera pulogalamuyi ku Middle East Studies. Mayankhidwe anu pazomwe mudawonera usiku watha, osati chabe kanema yemwe tangosewera kumene, Professor Zunes?
STEFANO ZUNES: Ndikutanthauza, panali chiwonetsero cha testosterone ichi choyikidwa ndi amuna omwe analibe chidziwitso chochepa cha Middle East kapena magwero a zinthu monyanyira. Tinkangomva Purezidenti Obama akutchulidwa kuti "wofooka," ndipo adalonjeza kuti adzakhala amphamvu komanso olimba. Ngakhale pafunso lokhudza uchigawenga wapakhomo monga San Bernardino, funso lokhudza chitetezo chamkati, ngakhale otchedwa John Kasich wodekha nthawi yomweyo adayamba kunena kuti, "Tiyenera kutumiza ankhondo ambiri. Msonkhano waposachedwa wa ku Paris uyenera kuti unali pafupi ISIS, osati za kusintha kwa nyengo.” Mukudziwa, pali pafupifupi, chiyani, 20,000 ISIS omenyana, ndipo United States ikuwononga kale ndalama zokwana madola 800 biliyoni pachaka, pafupifupi theka la ndalama zonse zapadziko lonse. Ndipo ife timati ndicho—sitingagonjetse ISIS, chifukwa ndalamazo si zokwanira.
Ndipo chodabwitsa apa ndikuti Purezidenti Obama, pomwe anali senator wa boma ku Illinois, pamsonkhano wotsutsana ndi nkhondo mu Okutobala 2002, adanena kuti Iraq sinawopseza. Iye anachenjeza kuti kuwukira kudzakoleza moto ku Middle East. Zingabweretse zoyipa, osati zabwino kwambiri, zadziko lachiarabu. Itha kukhala gulu lolembera anthu achisilamu ochita zinthu monyanyira. Ndipo komabe, anthu omwe adathandizira nkhondoyi tsopano akunena kuti ndiye vuto lake, mukudziwa, kuti mwanjira ina - ndipo izi ndi zomwe kwenikweni, ndi zankhondo zosasamala zomwe zidatifikitsa mu chisokonezo ichi. Ndipo zomwe tikumva ndikungofunika kukhala nazo zambiri.
JUAN GONZALEZ: Ndipo, Stephen Zunes, ndikufuna ndikufunseni inu za izo. Mobwerezabwereza, ambiri mwa osankhidwawo anapitiriza kunena kuti United States ndi yofooka, kuti dziko sililemekezanso United States, ndipo zimenezo ziyenera kusintha.
STEFANO ZUNES: Ndikutanthauza, Purezidenti Obama waphulitsa mayiko asanu ndi awiri achisilamu kuyambira pomwe adabwera paudindo. Ndipo, mukudziwa, kuchoka ku Iraq kunali-iye anayesa kukulitsa kupezeka kwa asitikali aku US kumeneko, koma Purezidenti Bush adasaina pangano, akadali paudindo, zomwe zidafuna kuti US ituluke. Tikadakhala, tikadakhalanso gulu lankhondo, ndipo boma la Iraq likanakhala ndi ufulu wovomerezeka kutiukira. Inde, izi ndizodabwitsa momwe akupotozera mbiri yakale.
Ndipo chimodzi mwazodabwitsa ndichakuti - mukudziwa, mkangano wabwino kwambiri, wachabechabe - ndikutanthauza, pali mikangano yambiri yomwe munthu angapange motsutsana nayo, koma mkangano wofunikira kwambiri ndikuti sitinayenera kuukira Iraq ku Iraq. choyamba, chifukwa ISIS ndi mphukira yachindunji ya kuwukira kumeneko. Pafupifupi utsogoleri wonse wandale ndi utsogoleri wankhondo wa ISIS ndi Iraq. Kafukufuku waposachedwa ndi pulofesa waku Oxford University yemwe adasindikizidwa posachedwa mu Nation analankhula za momwe, pofunsa mafunso ISIS olembera anthu, pafupifupi onse amalimbikitsidwa osati ndi Chisilamu, koma chifukwa chowawidwa ndi ntchito ya US ndi zotsatira zake.
Ndipo yankho labwino kwambiri lomwe ma Democrat atha kukhala nalo ndikuti sitinayenera kuukira Iraq poyambirira. Tsoka ilo, ngati Hillary Clinton ndiye wosankhidwayo, sanganene izi, chifukwa anali m'modzi mwa ochepa a ma Democrat omwe adathandizira Bush pa izi. Kotero, chomwe chimandiwopsyeza ine za—osati kokha mkangano wachi Republican, koma mfundo yakuti Hillary Clinton ndiye amene amatsogolera patsogolo, n’chakuti palibe amene akuyang’ana pa gwero la chilombo chimene tinachilenga, ISIS, ndipo zonse zomwe tikumva ndi za hypermilitarism ndipo-ndiwo muzu weniweni wa mantha omwe anthu a Iraq ndi Syria akukumana nawo, koma, monga tawonera, mayiko a Kumadzulo, kuphatikizapo United States, komanso.
AMY GOODMAN: Tiyeni tibwerere kwa a Donald Trump usiku watha ku kasino waku Venetian.
Donal dzina TRUMP: Taonani, ife tikusowa kulimba. Timafunikira mphamvu. Ife sitikulemekezedwa monga—inu mukudziwa, ngati fuko panonso. Ife tiribe mlingo wa ulemu umene timafunikira. Ndipo ngati ife sitichibwezeretsa icho mofulumira, ife tizingopita mofowokera, mofowokera, ndi kungophwasuka. Sitingalole kuti zimenezi zichitike. Timafunikira mphamvu. Ife tiribe izo. Pamene Jeb amatuluka, ndipo amalankhula za malire - ndipo ndidawona, ndipo ndinali mboni kwa izo, ndi momwenso analiri wina aliyense, ndipo ndinali nditayima pamenepo - adawona ngati chikondi. Akunena zomwezo pakali pano ndi chisilamu chokhwima. Ndipo sitingakhale nazo zimenezo m’dziko lathu. Izo sizingagwire ntchito. Timafunikira mphamvu.
WOLF BLITZER: Bwana Bush?
JEB BUSH: Donald, sungathe kunyoza njira yako yopita ku pulezidenti. Izo sizichitika. Ndipo ndili ndi mphamvu. Utsogoleri—utsogoleri suli—utsogoleri sikutanthauza kuukira anthu ndi kunyozetsa anthu. Utsogoleri ndi kupanga njira yayikulu yothana ndi chiwopsezo chanthawi yathu ino. Ndipo ndidayika njira imeneyo zisanachitike ku Paris komanso zisanachitike ku San Bernardino. Ndipo ndiyo njira yomwe—njira yakutsogolo. Tiyenera kuwonjezera ndalama zathu zankhondo. Tiyenera kuthana ndi malo osawuluka ku Syria, malo otetezeka. Tiyenera kuyang'ana kwambiri pakupanga gulu lankhondo lomwe silili lachiwiri kwa wina aliyense—
WOLF BLITZER: Zikomo.
JEB BUSH: -kuti tithe kuwononga uchigawenga wa Chisilamu.
Donal dzina TRUMP: Ndi maganizo a Yebu, sitidzakhalanso aakulu. Kuti ndikuuzeni.
AMY GOODMAN: Donald Trump akuti, "Sitidzakhalanso opambana," monga momwe amachitira ndi Jeb Bush. Stephen Zunes?
STEFANO ZUNES: Inde, iyi ndi gawo lomwe limadabwitsa kwambiri. Kwenikweni ndi za ufumu, lingaliro ili kuti United States, mukudziwa, ingathe-ndi mphamvu yoyaka moto yokwanira, ngati tipha anthu wamba okwanira, ngati titumiza ankhondo okwanira, kuti mwanjira ina titha kuumba dziko momwe tikufunira. Ndi—nthawi zonse kwakhala kophweka kwenikweni, koma makamaka tsopano, mukakhala ndi gulu ili la ochita zisudzo. Ndikutanthauza, ngakhale zikafika pakukana kopanda chiwawa, tinali ndi mzere wopusawo - sindikukumbukira kuti ndi ndani. Ndikuganiza kuti anali Cruz, mukudziwa, yemwe adanena kuti Obama adagonjetsa Mubarak, kuti mwanjira ina tikanalepheretsa mamiliyoni a Aigupto kuti asapite m'misewu pofuna demokalase. United States si mphamvu zonse. Ndipo zowonadi, tikamayesa-timakhala ndi malingaliro oganiza kuti titha kupanga dziko lapansi, ndipamene timabwereranso. Ndikutanthauza, ndakhala ndikupita ku Middle East, mukudziwa, zaka 45 tsopano, ndipo dziko la United States lakhala likuchita zankhondo mderali, ndiye kuti sitikhala otetezeka kwambiri. Mukudziwa, ndinkakonda—Anthu a ku America ankatha kuyenda m’dera lonselo popanda mantha, ndipo tsopano akukhaladi malo oopsa.
AMY GOODMAN: Nkhani imodzi—nkhani yomwe sinayankhidwe pamkangano wa Lachiwiri inali ya kusintha kwa nyengo. Bwanamkubwa wa Ohio a John Kasich adasankha kukhala yekhayo amene anganene mawu oti "nyengo."
Gov. JOHN KASI: Choyamba, tiyenera kupita ndi kuwononga ISIS, ndipo tiyenera kuchita izi ndi mabwenzi athu achiarabu ndi anzathu ku Ulaya. Ndipo ndikawona ali ndi msonkhano wanyengo ku Paris, akadakhala akulankhula za kuwononga ISIS, chifukwa amachita nawo pafupifupi dziko lililonse, mukudziwa, padziko lonse lapansi.
AMY GOODMAN: Zinalidi zodabwitsa. Mukudziwa, Demokarase Tsopano! tangobwera kumene kuchokera ku Paris, kumene tinakambitsirana za msonkhano wa zanyengo wa UN kwa milungu iŵiri. Unali msonkhano waukulu kwambiri wa atsogoleri adziko lonse m’mbiri ya dziko lapansi. Zaid Jilani?
ZAID JILANI: Inu mukudziwa, ndizodabwitsa. Tili ndi nkhawa zambiri za othawa kwawo aku Syria. Ndinali nawo pamwambo wolandira mlungu wathawu ku Georgia—ndinaitana Ted Cruz, seneta—wa othawa kwawo—kuti adzakumane ndi ena. Koma ndizodabwitsa. Iwo anali ndi nkhawa kwambiri za othawa kwawo 4 miliyoni. Ngati sitithetsa kusintha kwa nyengo, tikulankhula 40 miliyoni, tikulankhula othawa kwawo 100 miliyoni.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndipo Pentagon ikudziwa bwino, sichoncho? Iwo akhala akuchita malipoti pa izo. Mukudziwa, munthu yemwe adapeza otsatira ambiri a Twitter usiku watha pamkangano wapurezidenti waku Republican: Bernie Sanders. Ndikufuna kuyimba kanema pompano wa Killer Mike, wojambula wodziwika bwino wa hip-hop, ndikuyambitsa Bernie Sanders ku Atlanta.
WOPHA MIKE: Ndiyenera kukuwuzani kuti mu mtima mwanga, mumtima mwanga, ndikukhulupiriradi kuti Senator Bernie Sanders ndiye munthu woyenera kutsogolera dziko lino. Ndipo ndimakhulupirira izi chifukwa iye—ine ndimakhulupirira izi chifukwa iye, mosiyana ndi wina aliyense, anati, “Ndikufuna kubwezeretsa Lamulo la Ufulu Wovota.” Iye, mosiyana ndi wina aliyense, adati, "Ndikufuna kuthetsa nkhondo yosaloledwa iyi yolimbana ndi mankhwala osokoneza bongo yomwe imalimbana ndi anthu ochepa komanso osauka." Mosiyana ndi wina aliyense m’moyo wanga, iye akuti maphunziro akuyenera kukhala aulere kwa nzika iliyonse ya dziko lino.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndiye wojambula wa hip-hop Killer Mike akuyambitsa Bernie Sanders. Anakhala limodzi nthawi yambiri ku Atlanta, ndipo Killer Mike adangolemba izi, ndikuganiza, kuyankhulana kwa ola limodzi, chifukwa ali ndi malo ometera, ku Atlanta ndi Bernie Sanders. Koma tanthauzo la izi, Bob Herbert? Ndipo ndikuganiza kuti zikuyamba chizolowezi ndi ojambula a hip-hop akuvomereza Bernie Sanders. Kafukufuku wangosonyeza—chinali chiyani? ABC [Nkhani Zapadziko Lonse Usikuuno], nkhani yaikulu, yapereka chinachake ngati 81 mphindi kwa Donald Trump poyerekeza-kodi masekondi 20, zosakwana miniti, kwa Bernie Sanders?
BOB Herbert mayeso ogwirizana ndi mayina ndi mayina awo: Kodi chimenecho si chinachake? Kotero, ife tsopano tiri pa siteji pamene, patatha zaka zonsezi zomwe ndakhala ndikuwulutsa, ndikuyenera kupeza malingaliro anga kuchokera kwa ojambula a hip-hop. Sindingathe kuzipeza kuchokera pawailesi yakanema. Ojambula a hip-hop akupanga nzeru kwambiri. Mukudziwa, sindimakonda kumenya atolankhani kapena ma TV. Mukudziwa, anthu amagwiritsa ntchito ngati mnyamata wokwapula nthawi zonse, ndipo ine sinditero. Ndiko komwe timapezako zambiri, ndipo ndikofunikira ku demokalase. Koma ndikuganiza kuti kufalitsa kwake kampeni yapurezidentiyi kwakhala koyipa kwambiri. Ndipo kotero, mukudziwa, usiku watha mkanganowo udayang'ana kwambiri-
AMY GOODMAN: Tili ndi 10 masekondi.
BOB Herbert mayeso ogwirizana ndi mayina ndi mayina awo: -pa ISIS. Ndipo, mukudziwa, chidwi chonse chakhala pa Donald Trump. Ndipo a Trump tsopano akutsogola chifukwa ndiye munthu wodziwika kwambiri m'dziko lino lokonda anthu otchuka. Ndi misala.
AMY GOODMAN: Chabwino, ndikufuna kukuthokozani nonse chifukwa chokhala nafe, Zaid Jilani wa The Intercept, Arun Kundnani of NYU ndi buku Asilamu Akubwera!, Stephen Zunes ku yunivesite ya San Francisco; ndi Bob Herbert wa Demos.
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Chifukwa chiyani ma circus atolankhani sakudandaula za kufa kwa mfuti 100+ patsiku pomwe akupereka mitu yachigawenga chaching'ono chokhudzana ndi ISIL - kapena kukonza zolakwika za omwe akufuna ku RNC?
Palibe njira, chifukwa cha dongosolo lomwe tili nalo, kuti gulu la utsogoleri la US ndi omwe akufuna kukhala pulezidenti adzalankhula moona mtima pazovuta zilizonse. Iwo omwe ali, omwe akuphatikizapo 15-20% ya anthu, asankha kusintha kwakukulu.
Tikukhala m'malo omwe anthu amanama molakwika. Palibe kukwera kwa mitengo, gulu la utsogoleri likutero. Aliyense amene ayenera kudzisamalira yekha ndi banja lake amadziwa kuti ichi ndi chilengezo chankhanza. Ulova mpaka 5%, chilengezo china chankhanza. Ulova weniweni ndi wochuluka kwambiri, ndipo ulova ndi wochepa kwambiri ndipo ziŵerengerozo zikuchulukirachulukira. Zitsanzo ziwiri zokha zoonekeratu.