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Ambiri mwa Ayuda aku Europe omwe adathawa chipani cha Nazi akadafuna kusamukira ku North America koma zitseko zidatsekedwa. "Lingaliro lomanga dziko lotere m'dziko lomwe silinali lachibwibwi, kutali ndi ilo, chifukwa cha anthu akumeneko linali kubzala mbewu za tsoka lomwe lakhalapo kwa zaka makumi angapo kuyambira 1947/1948." , akutero Achcar. Pambuyo pa kulandidwa kwathunthu kwa Palestine pambuyo pa Nkhondo Yamasiku Asanu ndi Imodzi mu 1967 Israeli idakana mosalekeza mgwirizano uliwonse wapadziko lonse lapansi ngati "malo osinthana ndi mtendere". Kusamutsidwa kwathunthu kwa Israeli m'madera onse omwe adagwidwa mu 1967 komanso kulemekeza ufulu wa anthu a Palestine odzilamulira okha mu 22 peresenti ya malo awo a mbiri yakale kungakhale njira yochepa yothetsera mtendere uliwonse. Ndikofunikiranso kuyimira pakati pa "nkhondo yankhani" pakati pa kutanthauzira kwa Zionist ndi Atsamunda pa mkangano, akutero Achcar.
Gilbert Achcar: Political Scientist and Sociologist ku "School of Oriental and African Studies", University of London, Peace Activist, Author of "The Arabs and Holocaust" komanso pamodzi ndi Noam Chomsky "Perilous Power"
David Goessmann: Pali malipoti ambiri okhudza nkhondo ya Israeli ndi Palestine m'ma TV aku Western. Iwo akuchilongosola kukhala chiwonongeko chakupha, chizungulire cha ziwawa. Koma nthawi zambiri samapereka zinthu zofunika monga chifukwa chomwe UN Resolution 242 kuyambira 1967 ndi zina zomwe adagwirizana padziko lonse lapansi pazamtendere sizingachitike. Tipatseni chidziwitso cha chifukwa chake mulibe chilungamo ndi mtendere mu Israeli ndi Palestine ndi zomwe ziyenera kuchitidwa kuti izi zitheke.
Gilbert Achcar: Sindikuganiza kuti pali chilichonse chakupha pazomwe zikuchitika, chifukwa chomwe chikuchitika kwa zaka makumi anayi tsopano, ndi zotsatira za zisankho za khalidwe la gulu linalake la ndale, lomwe likuchita zomwe zikuchitika kumbali ya Israeli. . Imfa yoyamba imene anthu angatchule ndi yakuti Ayuda amene anapulumuka chiwonongeko cha Nazi ku Ulaya, anagwera Apalestina. Isaac Deutscher, wolemba mbiri wotchuka, adagwiritsa ntchito fanizo la munthu yemwe akufuna kuthawa moto m'nyumba mwawo akudumpha kuchokera pawindo ndikugwera munthu wina. Munthu amene akudumpha kuchokera pawindo ndi Ayuda amene anapulumuka chiwonongekocho ndipo munthu amene agwera pa iye nโkuthyola miyendo ndi nsana wa munthu ameneyu ndi Apalestina. Izi zitha kufotokozera chinthucho ngati imfa. Koma zoona zake n'zakuti sizinali zakupha ngati mungaganizire. Chifukwa ngati mupita kuchiyambi cha zonsezo palibe kukayikira kuti Ayuda ambiri a ku Ulaya omwe akuthawa ku Nazism, akanakonda kupita ku North-America - koma anali atatseka zitseko. Akadakonda kupita ku Britain - analinso ndi zitseko zotsekedwa. Maikowa amangovomereza magawo ochepa a anthuwa. Iwo anayesa kuthetsa vutoli mwa kuchititsa Britain, yomwe inali kulamulira Palestine, kutsegula zitseko kumeneko...
David Goessmann: Pa nthawiyo kunali kudana ndi Ayuda ku North America.
Gilbert Achcar: ... inde, ndikuwonjezera kuti munali ndi gulu la Zionist, lomwe linali kumenyana kwenikweni. M'malo momenyera kuti atsegule zitseko za dziko lonse lapansi, kwa opulumuka achiyuda gulu la Zionist lidafuna kapena kuyika khama lake lonse pa nkhani ya Palestine. Chifukwa chake adafuna kuti anthu ambiri abwere ku Palestine kuti apange dziko. Ndipo ndizomwe zili pachimake cha State-Zionism ya Theodor Herzl, wolemba Der Judenstaat. Lingaliro ili la dziko lachiyuda, chikhalidwe cha Ayuda, lomwe ndi lingaliro lomwe palokha, mukudziwa. Dziko lofotokozedwa mwanjira imeneyi ndi tanthauzo lopanda demokalase. Lingaliro lomanga dziko loterolo m'dziko, lomwe silinali dziko lopanda anthu, kutali ndi ilo, chifukwa cha anthu akumeneko, linali kubzala mbewu za tsoka, lomwe tsopano lakhala ndi ife kwa zaka makumi angapo, kuyambira 1947. /1948. Munali ndi mbiri yakale yachiwiri, yomwe inali pambuyo pa 1947, chigamulo cha UN chogawanitsa Palestine. Munali ndi chigamulo cha UN chomwe mudatchula, 242 mu 1967, pamene Israeli anamaliza ntchito yake ku Palestine, analanda Palestina yonse, 22%, yomwe idasiyidwa pamene dziko la Israeli linalengedwa mu 1948 pambuyo pa nkhondo. Chifukwa chake, izi zidamalizidwa ndipo ngakhale zoperekedwa ku mbali ya Aarabu komanso ngakhale malamulo apadziko lonse lapansi kapena malamulo adapangidwa ndi 242 yamtendere motsutsana ndi gawo. Kusinthanitsa uku kwakanidwa ndi maboma otsatizanatsatizana a Israeli. Ngakhale mgwirizano wa Oslo unali wolakwika, chifukwa mgwirizano wa Oslo, posayina mgwirizano wa Oslo, Israeli amangolonjeza kuti achoka kumadera okhala ku Westbank. Osati a Westbank yonse. Ndipo [iwo] anapitiriza kumanga midzi ndipo makamaka anawonjezera kumanga kwa midzi m'malo osiyanasiyana a Westbank, nthawi zambiri liwiro limene linali likukula pambuyo pa 1967. okhazikika, okhazikika achitsamunda, ku Westbank. Kotero, izi ziri kachiwiri, ndikutanthauza, awa ndi ndondomeko, awa ndi mizu yozama ya vutoli. Ndipo palibe imfa mu zonsezi. Ndondomeko yosiyana kwambiri ikanatheka. Ndikutanthauza, pa nthawiyo (?) Anthu ambiri mu Israeli monga mโmayiko achiarabu, ankayembekezera mtendere. Ndikuyembekeza kuti kumeneko kudzakhaladi kusinthana kwa mtendere ndi gawo. Ndi kuti dziko la Palestine lidzapangidwa. Tinali ndi maloto otere. Zoonadi Arafat ali ndi maloto otere ndipo adatsimikizira chinyengo chonse. Zinatsimikizira chinyengo chonse osati chifukwa cha Palestina. Ndizo zomveka mwamtheradi. Iwo ndi (?) gawo la mkanganowu, iwo ndi oponderezedwa, iwo sali opondereza, iwo sali olanda. Ndiyo mfundo yofunika.
David Goessmann: Kodi yankho likanatheka bwanji? Kodi chofunika nโchiyani kuti pakhale mtendere? Ndipo udindo wa United States ndi wotani pamenepo?
Gilbert Achcar: Ndikhoza kuziyika mozama kwambiri, chifukwa ndiโฆNdikutanthauzaโฆmunthu sangadzipereke pa zochitika zakale. Zomwe ndinganene: Kodi malo okhala mderali ndi ochepa bwanji? Ndipo midziyi imadziwikaโฆzimenezi zimadziwika. Chifukwa ma Palestine ali ndi chigwirizano chomwe amachilemba m'chikalata, pali chikalata chogwirizana cha magulu onse ankhondo aku Palestina kuchokera ku Fatah kupita ku Hamas, ndipo aliyense adalembetsa. Zochepa izi ndi kuthamangitsidwa kwathunthu kwa Israeli kumadera onse omwe adakhalako mu 1967 komanso kuthetsedwa kwa midzi. Ulemu wa ufulu wa Palestina wodzilamulira okha osachepera 22% awa a malo awo a mbiri yakale. Ngakhale izi sizikudziwika ndi Israeli. Chifukwa chake, pakuchepa pang'ono kumeneku, simungaganize zoyambira kukhazikika. Kukhazikika kulikonse pakati pa zilembo zotchulira kungakhale ngati Oslo [mgwirizano], njira yachinyengo, yomwe imagwa pakatha zaka zochepa ndikubweretsa tsoka lalikulu kuposa lomwe mudali nalo kale.
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