AMY GOODMAN: Ndi funso lomwe lakhala likufunsidwa kwa magulu a anthu kwa chaka: Tikudziwa zomwe mumatsutsa, koma njira yanu ndi iti? Mlendo wanga wotsatira amawerengedwa kuti ndi m'modzi mwa oganiza bwino masiku ano pafunso lomweli. Michael Albert wakhala akulemba ndikuyankhula pa lingaliro lake la masomphenya azachuma ndi chikhalidwe cha anthu kwa zaka zambiri. Iye ndiye woyambitsa wa Z Magazine ndi webusayiti yake ZNet, komanso woyambitsa nawo South End Press. Iye ndi mlembi wa mabuku ambiri kuphatikizapo Parecon: Moyo pambuyo pa Capitalism ndi Kuzindikira Chiyembekezo: Moyo Wopitilira Ukapitalizimu. Tsopano iye walemba bukhu lina. Amatchedwa Kukumbukira Mawa: Kuchokera ku SDS kupita ku Moyo Pambuyo pa Capitalism, Memoir. Takulandirani Demokarase Tsopano!
MICHAEL ALBERT: Zikomo kwambiri chifukwa chokhala nane. Ndizosangalatsa kukhala pano.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndizosangalatsa kukhala kuno ku Boston ndikulankhula nanu. Michael Albert, ili ndi buku laumwini komanso landale, kukumbukira kwanu. Bwanji osalankhula za mmene munaloลตerera mโndale?
MICHAEL ALBERT: Chabwino, kalekale, motalika kwambiri, ndinapita ku koleji ku MIT kuno ku Cambridge. Ndipo mawu oyamba kusukuluyi, anthu ambiri anganene kuti sizinali zandale, koma inali nthawi yodziwika bwino m'moyo wanga. Ndinali m'gulu la abale kumeneko, ndipo ndi nkhani yayitali, koma chochititsa chidwi chinali chakuti mkati mwa sabata yothamanga pamakhala kugawanikana pakati pa mabungwe ndi ma dorms, ndipo mabungwe amayesa kulemba anthu. Ndipo mumapita ndipo mumakhala kwakanthawi mukuthamangitsidwa, zomwe zikutanthauza kuti mumapita kukacheza ndi abale.
Ndipo tidazindikira patapita miyezi ingapo, titakhala mamembala, kuti tinanyengedwa, kuti adayimba mafoni ndi zipinda zokhala ndi vuto, ndipo lingaliro linali lakuti abalewo akupatsani zomwe mukufuna. Chifukwa chake ndikadati, "Ndimakonda kwambiri, koma kulibe sayansi yokwanira," kapena "Ndimakonda, kulibe tennis," kapena "Ndinedi" - zilizonse zomwe zidasowa, m'mawa wotsatira ndikapeza, ngati amandifuna. Akadapanda kundifuna, ndikananditulutsira kunja mwachangu, mukudziwa, mumsewu kuti ndizipita. Ndipo inu simunamve za izo mpaka pafupi miyezi isanu ndi umodzi kenako, pamene inu munadutsa mu njira yayitali yozolowerana ndi mabwenzi apamtima, ndipo chirichonse chimakhazikika pa icho, ndipo aliyense amangogudubuzika nacho icho. Inu mukudziwa, iwo amangopita nazo izo.
Ndipo patapita miyezi ingapo, mโnyengo yachilimwe, ndinachita mantha kwambiri kuti ndinali nditangogubuduza nalo ndi kupita nalo ndikuchilandira, ndipo ndinachipandukira. Ndipo chimenecho chinali choyamba kwenikweni, ndikuganiza, kuswa ulamuliro, kuswa malamulo, kuswa malamulo ondizungulira. Ndipo kuyambira pamenepo, iwo unali mzere wolunjika. Izo zinali m'ma 60s. Ndinali m'kalasi ya '69, ndipo mkati mwa chaka ndinali mu gululi, ndipo mkati mwa - zinali ngati mibadwo -
AMY GOODMAN: Mukutanthauza chiyani ponena za "gulu"?
MICHAEL ALBERT: Eya, mโnthaลตi zimenezo, nthaลตi inayenda mofulumira kwambiri. Kotero inu mukanadzutsidwa ndi ufulu wachibadwidwe, kapena mukanadzutsidwa ndi nkhondo. Inu mukanadzutsidwa ndi chinachake. Mutha kukhala wandale, kutanthauza kuti mudzakhala wotsutsa. Mungayambe kutsutsa zinthu zopanda chilungamo zimene mumaona pozungulira inu. Ndipo mwamsanga, moyo wanu unasintha. Mwamsanga kwambiri, mudamvetsetsa zomwe zikuchitika zomwe zinali zosiyana kwambiri ndi zomwe mumamva kale, ndipo mutha kukhala m'gulu. Kwa ine, ndinakhala m'gulu la SDS, Students for a Democratic Society, lomwe linali ku MIT, ndi gulu lolimbana ndi nkhondo, komanso mayendedwe ozungulira mitundu ina.
Izi zikubwerezedwa tsopano. Mitu ya SDS m'dziko lonselo ikukula, ndipo ndichinthu chofunikira kwambiri pakali pano. Ichi ndichifukwa chake ndinalemba bukhuli, kuyesa kufotokozera zina za mbiri yathu kwa anthu omwe akubwerezanso.
AMY GOODMAN: Pamapeto pake, mudathamangitsidwa ku MIT?
MICHAEL ALBERT: Eya, ndinali. Ndinakhala - ndikuganiza kuti "wotchuka" ndi mawu oyenera. M'malo mwake, anyamata aja adandipanga kuti ndidzakhale pulezidenti wa bungwe lonse la ophunzira. Chabwino, ndinasiya pambuyo pa chaka changa chaubale. Koma patapita zaka zinayi, ndinakhaladi pulezidenti. Chodabwitsa, ndinapambana, ndipo ndinali mmodzi wa atsogoleri a zochita ndi ziwonetsero, ndi zina zotero. Ndipo kotero, adanditaya kunja pa milandu yopusa, makamaka chifukwa samadziwa zonse zomwe ndidachita, zomwe zikadakhala, malinga ndi malingaliro awo, milandu yovomerezeka. Iwo anangopanga zinthu mwa njira. Koma ananditaya kunja, inde.
AMY GOODMAN: Kodi izi zikutanthauza chiyani kuti akuchotseni ku yunivesite?
MICHAEL ALBERT: Kwa ine, izo sizinatanthauze zambiri, mโlingaliro lakuti izo ziri pangโono ngati kuthamangitsidwa mu cesspool. Ndikutanthauza, mwa kuyankhula kwina, kuchokera kumalingaliro anga, MIT anali malo omwe anali ndi makhalidwe abwino ambiri, m'lingaliro la kuphunzitsa anthu ndikukhala malo omwe anali otonthoza ena, osachepera. Koma mโlingaliro lina, inali fakitale yomwe inali kutulutsa maganizo komanso luso lamakono limene linagwiritsidwa ntchito pankhondo ya Vietnam.
Chifukwa chake zina zomwe tidatsutsa zinali kutsata zida zanyukiliya kangapo. Iwo anali ndi ma helikopita omwe anali kukhazikika, ndipo adanena kuti akuwalimbikitsa kuti athe kuwuluka ku Detroit ndikupereka malipoti a nyengo. Kotero kwenikweni ife tinazembera mkati ndikupeza kuti iwo anali kuwakhazika mtima pansi kuti mfuti zamakina zisagwedeze makina kwambiri pamene iwo anali kuwombera alimi kumidzi ya Vietnam.
Choyipa kwambiri chomwe iwo anali kugwirirapo ntchito, sitinkachidziwa, ndipo mwanjira ina kwa ine mwina ndi mwayi, koma, mulimonse, anali mabomba anzeru, mabomba omwe adawonekera kwa anthu ambiri, pambuyo pake. ku Iraq, mabomba omwe kwenikweni anali olunjika ngati mizinga. Izi zidayamba kupangidwa ku MIT masiku amenewo, ndipo zidagwiritsidwa ntchito kumapeto kwa Nkhondo ya Vietnam kuphulitsa mabomba.
Lingaliro linalipo, ngati tiyenera kuchoka, tiyenera kutumiza uthenga. Ndipo uthengawu ndi wakuti, ngati mukutsutsa United States, ngati mukuyesera kudzichotsa nokha - dziko - ngati dziko likuyesera kudzichotsa pa intaneti, maukonde achifumu omwe amagwiritsa ntchito chuma chawo ndi mphamvu zawo ndi umunthu wawo ndi zotsatira zawo zachuma. kuti mupindule ndi United States, m'malo mwa anthu a dzikolo, ngati mutayesa kudzichotsa pa izo, tikulangani. Ndipo tikulangani mwaukali kotero kuti zotsatira zake zidzakhala zoopsa.
Chifukwa chake, pochoka, tidayenera kuchita momwe tingathere kuwonetsetsa kuti zomwe zidatuluka titapita zisakhale zachitsanzo, sizingakhale zachitsanzo, sizingakwaniritse. Ndipo kotero, zomwe tidachita ndikuti tidatulutsa zotsutsa zamkati ndi ziwawa momwe tingathere, ndipo tidawononga dziko lonse momwe tingathere, ndipo gawo lomaliza la izi linali mabomba anzeru awa.
AMY GOODMAN: Mukukamba za Vietnam?
MICHAEL ALBERT: Inde, izi zonse ndi Vietnam, m'masiku amenewo, ngakhale zimapitilira.
AMY GOODMAN: Nanga nโcifukwa ciani mukuti munali ndi mwayi osadziลตa?
MICHAEL ALBERT: Tangoganizani kuti panthawiyo munali pa sukulupo. Ndiwe wopindika kwambiri. Ndiwe wosinthika kwambiri, wokwiya kwambiri. Mwakwiya. Ndinu wamng'ono. Mukufuna kuchita chinachake. Zikuoneka kuti mwina ndi mphindi imodzi m'mbiri, kapena m'mbiri yaposachedwa ku United States, pomwe chiwonongeko chikanakhala ndi zotsatira zochititsa chidwi. Panali malo amodzi okha pamene mabomba anzeruwa anali kupangidwa, ndipo panali ntchito imodzi yokha yomwe ikanatha kuwatulutsa ndipo ikanawapanga m'njira yoti agwiritsire ntchito kuphulitsa madamuwa ndikusefukira kumidzi ku Vietnam. Chikadaonongedwa, chikadachiletsa. Zikanakhala ndi zotsatira zake. Kotero sikunali ngati kuphulitsa bafa kapena chinachake chonga icho. Zinali ndi chiyambukiro chachikulu pa miyoyo ya anthu, chinthucho chikanawonongedwa.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndikutanthauza, kunali kuphulika kwa mabomba ku yunivesite ya Wisconsin, Madison, komwe kunapha wophunzira wophunzira maphunziro a sayansi.
MICHAEL ALBERT: Inde, ndipo zambiri mwa izo - ndikutanthauza, ndikuganiza kuti zochitika zamtunduwu ndi zolakwika kwambiri, osati m'njira zomwe anthu angaganizire, koma ngakhale poyesera kukwaniritsa zolinga zina, chifukwa zimasiyanitsa anthu. , kumachepetsa chithandizo chomwe chilipo, chimakonda kukankhira anthu kutali ndi kusagwirizana m'malo mosagwirizana, popanda zotsatira zowopsya pa munthu amene agwidwa ndi moto kapena chinachake chonga icho. Koma mchitidwe woterewu ukanakhala wothandiza. Ndi chotchinga chambiri chomwe ndidakumana nacho, kwenikweni.
AMY GOODMAN: Tiyenera kuswa. Tikabweranso, ndikufuna ndikufunseni za zaka zimenezo, chifukwa ndi kumene mudakumana ndi Noam Chomsky, ndipo takhudzidwa kwambiri ndi ubale umenewo, monga pulofesa komanso ngati bwenzi kwa zaka makumi anayi zapitazi. Tikulankhula ndi Michael Albert, ndipo buku lake ndi Kukumbukira Mawa: Kuchokera ku SDS kupita ku Moyo Pambuyo pa Capitalism, Memoir. Khalani nafe.
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AMY GOODMAN: Tikulankhula ndi Michael Albert. Iye anayambitsa ZNet ndi Z Magazine ndi South End Press. Iye ndiye mlembi wa bukhuli, Kukumbukira Mawa: Kuchokera ku SDS kupita ku Moyo Pambuyo pa Capitalism, Memoir. Tikukamba za zaka zake zoyambirira. Noam Chomsky, kukumana kwanu ndi iye, zomwe zimakhudza moyo wanu?
MICHAEL ALBERT: Chabwino, ndinali ndi mitundu iwiri yolumikizana naye poyamba. Wina anali ngati wina aliyense: kumumva iye akuyankhula pa msonkhano kapena chiwonetsero kapena chinachake chonga icho. Winayo anali kutenga maphunziro kuchokera kwa iye, chifukwa ndinali ku MIT, ndipo adaphunzitsa maphunziro omwe anali okhudza ndondomeko ndi malingaliro aku America, ndi zina zotero. Ndiyeno, kenako, ndinakhala ngati ndinaphunzitsa gawo lina la izo ndi iye. Anali ndi chiyambukiro chachikulu pa ine, ndithudi, monga momwe amachitira ndi anthu ena ambiri. Kwa ine, mbali ina inali kungowona malingaliro oterowo akugwira ntchito, kuwona tanthauzo la kuganiza bwino, kuganiza mwaulemu, ndi zina zotero. Koma makamaka chinali chinachake chokhudza kukhulupirika, chinachake chokhudza kuona mtima, kudekha, nkhawa, ndi zina zotero.
Chitsanzo chimodzi chinali chakuti, Weathermen anali gulu limene linkachita nawo ntchito panthaลตiyo. Linali mbali ya SDS, osati gawo lomwe ndinali nalo, koma ankafuna kundilemba ntchito. Panthawi ina, ndinapita ku ofesi ya Noam, ndipo ndinamufunsa za izi, ntchito yawo yolemba anthu ntchito komanso ngati - mukudziwa, momwe ndingagwirizanitse. Nowa sankafuna kulangiza anthu zochita pa moyo wawo kapena za njira.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndipo fotokozani zomwe a Weathermen anali.
MICHAEL ALBERT: The Weathermen anali kwambiri - anali mapiko achiwawa kwambiri, achiwawa kwambiri a SDS. Kusanthula kwawo kunali kwachilendo. Ine sindikuganiza kuti tiyenera kufotokoza mwatsatanetsatane.
Koma mulimonse, kotero ine ndinamufunsa za izo, ndipo iye anali wonyansidwa kwambiri kutero, koma mu nkhani iyi - ife tinali kale pafupi kwambiri, ndipo iye - mukudziwa, iye sanafune kuti ine ndilakwitse. kenako adapereka chiyembekezo. Ndipo iye anakhala ngati ananena mofulumira kwambiri, iye anati, โIwo ndi anthu odabwitsa. Iwo ndi anthu aakulu. Amasunthidwa bwino. Ndikutanthauza, zolinga zawo ndi zabwino. Ena a iwo adzafa. Ena a iwo adzavulaza ena. Zidzakhala ndi zotsatira zochepa kwambiri pa moyo wa anthu padziko lonse lapansi chifukwa cha zomwe akuchita. Ndipo m'mawu akuti, kulondola, adagwira zomwe zinali pamenepo, ndipo upangiri wake unali wofunikira. Sindikuganiza kuti chinali chotsimikizika pakusankha kwanga kuti ndisalowe nawo, koma chikanakhala chinthu chachikulu.
Nkhani ina yaying'ono ya apocrypha - pali nkhani zambiri za Noam. Tinali ku Poland panthawi ya zipolowe ku Poland, ndipo tinali m'chipinda ndi anthu ena, ndipo nthawi ina panali zokambirana za zilankhulo, chifukwa mmodzi wa iwo anali katswiri wa zilankhulo, ndipo ine ndinali kufotokoza, inu. dziwani, malingaliro a Nowa kuchokera pamene adayankhula naye. Ndiyeno, pambuyo pake, panali kukambirana za zolimbikitsa ndi zotsutsana ndi zotsutsana ndi capitalism, ndipo wina anali kufunsa za maganizo a mnyamata uyu Chomsky. Ndipo kamodzinso, ndinali kufotokoza, mukudziwa, zomwe maganizo ake ali, kuchokera ku zochitika zaumwini. Nthawi ina, wina anandifunsa kuti, "Kodi mungadziwe bwanji Noam Chomskys, yemwe anali katswiri wa zilankhulo komanso yemwe anali wandale?" Ndipo kenako - ine ndikutanthauza, ndithudi, izo zinali hysterical. Linali gulu la anthu ochokera m'mayiko osiyanasiyana omwe mungaganizire mkati mwa Poland. Ndipo kenako, ndinazindikira kuti sizinali zosayankhula. Zinali zomveka. Ndiko kunena kuti, zinali zothekera kwambiri kuti panali zochitika zosamvetsetseka izi kuti panali anthu awiri, wodziwa zinenero ndi wina wandale, omwe anali ndi dzina lofanana kusiyana ndi kuti panali munthu mmodzi amene akuchita zonsezi. Pali nkhani zambiri za Noam.
AMY GOODMAN: Munachoka, komabe. Mudachoka ku MIT. Munali mukuphunzira physics. Ndipo lankhulani za kukhazikitsidwa kwa South End Press ndikupita patsogolo Z.
MICHAEL ALBERT: Eya, ndikadakhala wasayansi, ndizowona. Nkhondo ndi china chilichonse chinapangitsa kuti izi zisatheke. Pambuyo pake, tidayambitsa china chake chotchedwa South End Press. Kunali kuyesa kupanga nyumba yosindikizira, nyumba yosindikizira mabuku - ikadalipo, ikupitabe mwamphamvu - yomwe ingapereke mabuku okhudza mtundu, jenda, gulu, mphamvu, ubale wapadziko lonse, mndandanda wonse wa zinthu zomwe zimakhudza miyoyo ya anthu m'moyo weniweni. njira. Ndipo cholinga chathu chinali kupanga china chake chomwe chingakhalenso mwachokha, mu bungwe lake ndi kapangidwe kake, zomwe tinali nazo. Ndipo izi zinali mochedwa m'ma 70s, pafupifupi '77,'78, pamene tinali kuchita zimenezo.
Tidaupanga. Unali msewu wovuta, koma tidaupanga, ndipo unali ndi mbali ziwirizo. Mabukuwo anali a khalidwe limene ndikufotokoza, kuyesera kupereka zambiri, masomphenya, malingaliro ena okhudza njira zomwe zingathandize anthu kusintha dziko lapansi, ndi omwe masomphenya ake, omwe mapangidwe ake, anali ndi makhalidwe abwino. Kutanthauza chiyani? Zinkatanthauza kuti tinali gulu, koma gulu mwa njira yapadera. Tidakhala ndi gawo lantchito lomwe linapangidwa kuti aliyense wotenga nawo mbali ku South End Press akhale, chifukwa cha zomwe akuchita m'manyuzipepala, mikhalidwe yofananira, mphamvu zofananira kuti athe kutenga nawo gawo pazosankha komanso mbali yosindikiza ya atolankhani. Chifukwa chake mamembala atolankhani - panalibe munthu yemwe anali mlembi kapena wina yemwe amatsuka kapena winawake, pankhaniyi, yemwe anali mkonzi kapena - anthu anali ndi maudindo osiyanasiyana. Ndipo kusakanikirana kunali kochititsa kuti ntchito yawo yonse ikhale yopatsa mphamvu komanso yofanana. Ndipo izi pambuyo pake zidakhala gawo la masomphenya achuma omwe amatchedwa participatory economics, kapena parecon, omwe mudawatchula koyambirira. Ndipo South End Press sanali okha -
AMY GOODMAN: Fotokozani parecon.
MICHAEL ALBERT: Capitalism ndi dongosolo lowopsa. Capitalism ndi dongosolo lomwe limabala malo omwe ulemu umabedwa, momwe anthu ali kunja - anyamata abwino amamaliza, malinga ndi mawu a mphunzitsi wotchuka wa baseball waku America, kapena m'malingaliro anga ankhanza, zinyalala zimakwera, kutanthauza kuti ndi malo opikisana. momwe mumaganizira za ena, mumavutika. Ngati mumaphwanya ena, mumapita patsogolo. Ndi malo omwe muli anthu pafupifupi 30 miliyoni osauka. Pali anthu pafupifupi XNUMX miliyoni osowa pokhala ndi zipinda za hotelo mamiliyoni asanu ndi awiri opanda kanthu. Kuli nkhondo, ndi zina zotero.
Ndipo funso kwa ine linali nthawi zonse, kuyambira koyambirira mu 1968, '67: timasintha chiyani? Ngati tikufuna kusintha izi, ndiye kuti sitiyenera kukhala ndi makhalidwe abwino, anthu olamulira miyoyo yawo, chilungamo, chilungamo, kusiyana, mgwirizano, tiyenera kukhala okhudza mabungwe omwe angapangitse kuti zikhalidwezo zikhale zenizeni. Chifukwa chake parecon kapena gawo lachuma ndi chitsanzo -
AMY GOODMAN: Mwapanga mawuwo?
MICHAEL ALBERT: Inde, ndipo si kusankha kwanzeru, ndikuuzidwa. Ndi dongosolo lazachuma, gulu la mabungwe kuti akwaniritse kupanga ndi kugwiritsa ntchito ndi kugawa, zinthu zomwe zimapanga chuma, ndikuzichita mwanjira yomwe kuchitapo kanthu kumapatsa anthu kulamulira miyoyo yawo, kumapatsa anthu mgwirizano ndi ena, anthu gawo lolingana pazotsatira zamagulu, amapatsa anthu zosankha zingapo zomwe zikukwaniritsa. Chifukwa chake, mabungwe omwe amapanga ndiye chinsinsi chake, ndipo imayimira yankho ku funso, "Mukufuna chiyani?" Zikuyimira kukana lingaliro lomwe Margaret Thatcher, nduna yayikulu yaku Britain, adati: TINA, "palibe njira ina."
Chifukwa chomwe ndimaganiza kuti izi zinali zofunika, kungoyankha chimodzi - ndikutanthauza, chifukwa chiyani? Mukudziwa, chifukwa chiyani mumathera nthawi yochuluka kuyesa kupeza njira ina yotengera capitalism kapena, chifukwa chake, njira ina yotengera utsogoleri wa mabishopu kapena njira ina yosiyana ndi magawano amitundu ndi kusankhana mitundu, kapena njira ina yolamulira- chifukwa chiyani? Chifukwa chake chinali chifukwa kuyambira pachiyambi, pamene ndinali kukonzekera ku MIT, ndipo kwambiri mpaka pano, zinkawoneka kwa ine kuti panali zopinga ziwiri zazikulu kuti munthu wopatsidwa akhale wokangalika poyesa kulenga dziko labwino.
Chopinga chimodzi chinali kusadziwa zenizeni, kusadziwa chilungamo. Ndipo chimenecho chinali chopinga chachikulu mu 60s. Chotero pamene magulu a mโzaka za mโma 60 anafukula zowonadi ponena za dziko zimene zimanena kuti chisalungamo kapena zowawa zimene anthu anamva zinali zopanda chilungamo, zinali kuphwanya mwadongosolo, anthu anakwiya motero anadzuka gululo.
Koma panali chopinga chachiwiri chimene chinabisala, ndipo kumeneko kunali kuganiza kuti panalibenso njira ina. Kumeneku kunali kumverera kwakuti pamene okonza mapulaniwo anati, โBwerani mudzandiphatikize mโkagulu kolimbana ndi nkhondo ya Vietnam,โ zinali ngati kuuza munthu wina kuti, โBwera ugwirizane nane mโkuomba mphepo. Bwerani mudzandiphatikize polimbana ndi mphamvu yokoka. Bwerani gwirizanani nane pokonza zoletsa ukalamba.โ Inali ntchito yopanda chiyembekezo, sichoncho? Nanga nโcifukwa ciani munthuyo ayenela kucita zimenezo? Chotero umboni wochuluka umene tinali nawo wa kupanda chilungamoko, zinalibe kanthu. Zili ngati kuwunjikana umboni wosonyeza kuti khansa imapweteka, ndiyeno nkunena kuti, โLowani nawo gulu lolimbana ndi khansa.โ Si umboni umene uli wolakwika. Ndi - munthuyo akumva ngati "Zimene mukundipempha kuti ndichite ndi zopusa."
Ndipo pakati pa zopinga ziwirizo kuti atenge nawo mbali, zinkawoneka kwa ine kuti patapita nthawi inali yachiwiri yomwe inakula kwambiri, chikhulupiriro chakuti palibe njira ina, chikhulupiriro chakuti palibe njira yopambana, palibe njira yogonjetsa holo ya mzinda.
Posachedwapa, basi - ndimadana ndi kuthamanga pang'ono. Koma posachedwapa ndinawona filimu, Wosindikiza. Sindikudziwa ngati mwaziwonabe. Kumayambiriro kwa kanema, pali zochitika ndi Mark Wahlberg - ndipo, ndikutanthauza, ndi kanema wamkulu waku Hollywood. Mark Wahlberg, nyenyezi, akuyang'ana pa kompyuta. Iye akuyang'ana ZNet, kotero, inu mukudziwa, pamaso pa mamiliyoni a anthu. Ndipo anthu ambiri andilembera ine za izi ndikundifunsa, "Ndi chiyani gehena?" Ndipo kwenikweni, inu mukudziwa, ine ndikuganiza ena mwa anthu, ndale, mwachiwonekere anachita mwadala. Zinakhalapo kwa nthawi yayitali. Simungathe kuchita mwadala.
Koma uthenga kwa ine unali wosiyana. Kanemayo ena onse akuphatikiza momveka bwino kwambiri: mfundo zakunja zaku United States zimalimbikitsidwa ndi kuchuluka kwachuma kwa ochepa, mafuta, chuma, ndi mphamvu. Zikuwonekera kwambiri mufilimuyi, monga momwe zimakhalira m'madera ambiri otchuka. Ndipo uthenga kwa ine unali - ukanakhoza kukhala Demokarase Tsopano! pazenera. Zikanakhala zinthu zambiri. Uthenga kwa ine unali wakuti, ngati aliyense mu United States akanayang'anadi pa zinthu izi, iwo sakadatsutsa. Sizili ngati anthu - mu 1960 akanachita mantha. Koma tsopano, kanema wamkuluyu akuti ndi mafuta - palibe amene amatuluka m'bwalo lamasewera akutemberera wotsogolera, kuti, "Linali bodza. Ndinagwiriridwa.โ Palibe amene amamva choncho. Aliyense amazitenga mopepuka. Koma iwonso samatuluka mโbwalo la zisudzo ndi kunena, โZonsezi ndi zosalungama. Tsopano ndipita kukawonetsera. Tsopano ndipita ku bungwe lomwe likudzipereka kusintha zolakwika izi. " Ndipo ndikuganiza cholepheretsa ndikumverera kuti kuchita izi ndikufanana ndi kukhala gawo la gulu lolimbana ndi khansa kapena mphamvu yokoka kapena zina zotero. Choncho mufunika masomphenya kuti mugonjetse chopingacho. Koma a Thatcher anali olondola: TINA ndiye cholepheretsa chachikulu pakupanga magulu achikhalidwe cha anthu.
AMY GOODMAN: "Palibe njira ina," TINA. Michael Albert, mwatero ZNet, kuti ndi zomwe Wahlberg ankayang'ana. Fotokozani magazini - ndipo tatsala ndi mphindi ziwiri zokha - magazini ndi intaneti, webusaitiyi.
MICHAEL ALBERT: Pambuyo pa South End Press, Lydia Sergeant ndi ine - tidatenga nawo gawo popanga South End Press, kenako tidasiyana - osati kugawikana koyipa, kugawikana kwabwino - kuti tipange bungwe latsopano. Iwo unatchedwa Z Magazine. Lingaliro linali loti pakhale gulu la anthu ambiri omwe angakhale ndi chiyanjano chokhazikika ndi magazini. Kenako pambuyo pake, kachiwiri - m'masiku oyambilira, ngakhale intaneti isanachitike - tidachita ZNet, tsamba lawebusayiti, lomwe likadalipo: www.zmag.org, mtundu wa tsamba lalikulu. Timapanga sukulu yachilimwe. Timachita zinthu zonsezi ndi lingaliro -
AMY GOODMAN: Z Media Institute ku Woods Hole
MICHAEL ALBERT: Z Media Institute, inde.
AMY GOODMAN: - komwe mwaphunzitsa mazana ndi mazana a achinyamata padziko lonse lapansi.
MICHAEL ALBERT: Inde. Ndipo lingalirolo ndi losavuta. Lingaliroli kwenikweni ndi kufalitsa uthenga womwe uli wamtengo wapatali, kufalitsa chiyembekezo chomwe chili chofunikira kuti mukhale okangalika, kufalitsa zida zogwirira ntchito, kufalitsa masomphenya, ndi zina zotero, poyesa kupanga kuyesetsa kupanga dziko labwino ndi dziko labwino.
AMY GOODMAN: Michael Albert, ndikufuna kukuthokozani kwambiri chifukwa chobwera nafe lero komanso chifukwa cha memoir iyi, Kukumbukira Mawa: Kuchokera ku SDS kupita ku Moyo Pambuyo pa Capitalism, Memoir. "
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