THey ndi thrasher, punk, ndi ndale. Pazaka pafupifupi 20 pamasewera oimba, gulu lanyimbo la ku Canada la Propagandhi ladzipangira dzina loimba. Propagandhi yafika patali kwambiri pazandale komanso mwaluso kuyambira pomwe adapanga gululi chapakati pa 1980s, pomwe Chris Hanahh adatumiza zotsatsazi: "gulu lachiwembu lotsogola lomwe likuyang'ana woimba nyimbo za bassist" m'malo ojambulira m'deralo. Mamembala a gululi - woyimba / gitala Hanahh, woyimba bassist Todd Kowalski, ndi woyimba ng'oma Jord Samolesky adaganiza zoyika gululo kuti lithandizire kusintha kwa chikhalidwe cha anthu, zomwe zalimbikitsa mawu awo, ziwonetsero zopindulitsa, komanso ntchito yodzipereka kumudzi kwawo ku Winnipeg, Ontario. .
Gululi lidayamba ulendo wawo woyamba kudutsa Latin America mu Okutobala. Ali ku Buenos Aires, Propagandhi adakhala ku BAUEN Hotel, yomwe yakhala ikuyang'aniridwa ndi antchito kwa zaka zinayi zapitazi pakatikati pa mzindawu. Pofunitsitsa kukhala ku hotelo yankhani 19 yopanda bwana kapena mwiniwake, adafunsa mafunso amitundu yonse okhudza momwe mgwirizanowo wapangidwira. Ambiri mwa mafunsowa adachokera pa zomwe adakumana nazo poyang'anira gulu loyimba ndi kujambula, Komiti Yolandira G7. Othandizira a Parecon [Participatory Economics] ndi Z owerenga, Hanahh ndi Kowalski adakhala pansi m'chipinda chapansi pa BAUEN Hotel, pa ofesi ya Grupo Alavío ya kanema, kuti alankhule za kukula kwa ndale za Propaghandi ndi tsogolo laluso.
TRIGONA: Kodi Propagandhi ndi chiyani?
HANAHH: Dzinali ndi chinthu chomwe tidatulukira tili ndi zaka 16. Mwina likadali ndi tanthauzo, koma kwenikweni ndi dzina kwa ife tsopano. Gululo limatengera mtengo.
KOWALSKI: Ndikuganiza molingana ndi zomwe gulu liri-nyimbo, mawu, zinthu zomwe timathandizira, phindu lomwe timasewera.
Kodi mumapanga bwanji nyimbo?
HANAHH: Palibe gulu linalake la ntchito za gululo. Ndi kusinthika kokongola kwachilengedwe momwe zinthu zimachitikira. Timayesetsa kuchita zonse mogwirizana. Timayesetsa kupeza malingaliro a aliyense, mukamatero ngati chomaliza chimakhala bwino aliyense akapereka. Mwamwayi, zangokhala mwachibadwa momwe zakhalira, sitinachite kukakamiza ndondomeko imeneyo. Ndikuganiza kuti zimalankhula ndi chizolowezi chachilengedwe cha momwe zinthu zingakhalire. Zinthu zitha kukhala bwino ngati aliyense aperekapo kusiyana ndi munthu m'modzi kuwuza aliyense zoyenera kuchita ndipo pamapeto pake mumapeza katundu wawo osati za aliyense.
Kodi filosofi yoyambira ya zolemba za G7 Welcoming Committee ndi chiyani?
HANAHH: Choyamba, kuthana ndi ojambula kapena oimba omwe timakonda komanso omwe timaganiza kuti amanyalanyazidwa ndi makampani oimba omwe amapindula kwambiri kuposa mtengo. Ndilo gawo linalake. Mbali inanso yakhala malo ogwirira ntchito, kuonetsetsa kuti sizikubwereza zomwe ndikuganiza kuti ndi njira yachibwana yokonzekera malo anu antchito, omwe ndikukhala ndi purezidenti kapena bwana. Kenako ena onse amatsatira mndandanda wa malamulo kumene mayendedwe amachokera kumtunda kupita pansi. Taziwona ndi zolemba zathu zakale zaku US, Fat Records, ndi zolemba zina. Pali mfumu, ndiye aliyense amachita zomwe wauzidwa.
M'malingaliro anga, zawononga mapulojekiti omwe lebulo lakhala likuchita. Pomwe G7 - ngakhale zomwe zikuchitika ndi nyimbo zomwe nyimbo sizikugulitsidwa ndikutsitsa ndizotchuka kwambiri - ipulumuka chifukwa cha malo athu antchito. Ndilolimba kwambiri m'njira zambiri. Aliyense—chabwino, pali anyamata aŵiri okha—koma ngakhale pamene tinali ndi anthu asanu akugwira ntchitoyo, anthu analipo chifukwa chakuti anali okondweretsedwa ndi makhalidwe m’malo mongopeza ndalama. Zimenezo ndi zofunika kwa ife.
Kodi kukhala gulu lomwe lili ndi zilembo zake kwakhudza bwanji kugawa?
HANAHH: Per capita tachita ntchito yabwinoko kuposa makampani olemera omwe ali pamwamba. Mapangidwe a malo ogwira ntchito ndi ntchito yamkati, yothandiza ya lingaliro. Kunja kwa izo timapereka ogawa zolemba pa nthawi yake. Kunja kwa malo athu antchito ndife akapolo amsika.
Ndi magulu ati a chikhalidwe ndi ndale omwe alimbikitsa ntchito ya Propagandhi?
KOWALSKI: Posachedwapa, Sisters in Spirit amakhala ku Winnipeg. Tawasewera zopindulitsa. Alongo mu Mzimu amagwira ntchito ndi azimayi achiaborijini aku Canada. Amayesa kupeza azimayi achiaborijini omwe akusowa ku Canada omwe adaphedwa ndipo apolisi sakuchita mokwanira kuti awapeze. Komanso, kudziwitsa anthu za kuzunzidwa kwa akazi achiaborijini m'dera la Canada. Komanso kwa ine pali malo otchedwa Welcome Place, malo a anthu othawa kwawo posachedwapa ku Canada kumene ndathera nthawi yambiri ndikudzipereka. Kuwonetsa anthu pozungulira, kutenga makadi a library, kuwawonetsa momwe angagwiritsire ntchito Y.
HANAHH: Zowonadi, pazaka zapitazi za 15 kapena 20 zochita nawo mabungwe, zinthu zomwe zimapangitsa kuti makutu athu amve bwino ndi magulu omwe akuchita zosiyana ndi mabungwe omwe alipo omwe akulephera bwino aliyense pafupifupi pafupifupi magawo onse. Pamene tinali ana, makutu athu anali kumvetsera za anarchism kapena socialism, chirichonse chimene chinkawoneka chokhudza makhalidwe kuposa phindu lenileni. Izi zatifikitsa pomwe tili lero, kuyesabe kupeza zomwe zili zogwira mtima kapena zogwira mtima mwa anthu kupanga zenizeni.
Tsopano popeza muli ku Latin America ndi chiyani chomwe mwapeza cholimbikitsa?
KOWALSKI: Zina mwazojambula zomwe tikuwona mumsewu.
HANAHH: Monga momwe mabungwe a anthu amapitira, [BAUEN Hotel] iyi mwina ndiyapadera kwambiri pazomwe tawonapo mpaka pano. Chinthu china chomwe chinandisangalatsa ine, osati kwenikweni, makamaka ku Central America, ndi kuchuluka kwa anthu omwe amadziwa, pafupifupi molakwika, chikhalidwe cha North America. Ndinkayembekeza kuti ndidzatsikira ku Central America ndikumva kusefukira kwa mawu osiyanasiyana komanso anthu osadziwa zomwe zikuchitika ku North America ndikutiwonetsa zomwe zikuchitika ndi magulu pano. Ndi Achimereka kwambiri. Zimenezo zinandidabwitsa kwambiri. Ndi njira imodzi - chikhalidwe cha North America kupita ku Latin America. Sikuli bwino kukhala ndi njira imodzi yosinthira chikhalidwe.
KOWALSKI: Wabwera kuno ndipo sukufuna kung'amba anthu. Mukuwopanso kuti ngati ulendo ukuyenda bwino, mukutsegula chitseko cha magulu a dikweed omwe akufuna kubwera kudzayesa kupanga ndalama kuchokera kwa ana. Kotero likhoza kukhala lupanga lakuthwa konsekonse.
Kodi ntchito ya akatswiri pakusintha kwa chikhalidwe ndi chiyani?
HANAHH: Sindichita manyazi kunena zinazake zomwe zimawonedwa ngati zandale kapena kugwiritsa ntchito siteji ngati ndale. Nthawi zambiri timanena zina paziwonetsero.
Payekha, ndipo mwina timagawana nawo malingaliro awa, ndili ndi udindo ngati munthu wobadwa m'dziko lino komanso amene amawona dziko mwanjira inayake. Ndipo ndani amene amawona dziko mwanjira yolakwika kwambiri [ndiyenera] kuyankhapo. Kupyolera mu gulu loimba ndizochepa zomwe tingachite kuti tikhale ndi udindo pa ... za kukhala ngati palibe.
KOWALSKI: Ndikuganiza kuti anthu amachita zinthu akamamvetsera, amangochita zimene akudziwa. Magulu osiyanasiyana amakhudzidwa ndi magawo osiyanasiyana a mawu. Ngati inu mupeza gawo ili, ngati simulipeza, simulipeza.
HANAHH: Sitikunena zinthu kuti tiyese kukhala osiyana ndi aliyense. Lingaliro lathu ndikuti pali mfundo ya mediocrity kwenikweni. Anthu ambiri akhoza kugwirizana, mwachitsanzo, ngati ndikuona kuti n’kulakwa kukhala paubwenzi wa bwana ndi wantchito. Ngati ndikuwona kuti pali china chake cholakwika, chomwe sindinasangalalepo nacho paubwenzi umenewu m'moyo wanga wonse wantchito, ndiye kuti ndikuganiza kuti anthu ambiri amagawananso zomwe zimachitikira kukhala ndi ubale wosagwirizana ndi bwana-wantchito. Ine sindine munthu wapaderadera. Chifukwa chake mukayika malingaliro amenewo ndikuyamba kuwona, inde, aliyense adakumana ndi zomwezi. Ngati mupempha kuti muwonetsere manja pa chinachake chonga icho, manja onse amakwera mmwamba. Kungoti anthu ambiri samachita zinthu mwadongosolo kapena amaona ngati sangakwanitse. Aliyense amadzimva kuti ali yekhayekha ndipo ndichifukwa chake palibe chomwe chimawoneka kuti chikusintha kwambiri.
Kodi mukuganiza kuti nyimbo zimatha kutumiza uthenga wabwino kuposa olankhula ndi ena?
HANAHH: Zingatheke, koma sizitero chifukwa magulu ambiri - makamaka mu nyimbo za punk - amasankha kusasankha. Amasangalala ndi maunansi amene alipo, amasangalala ndi kusiyana pakati pa olemera ndi osauka kumene angagwiritse ntchito kuti apindule nawo. Ngakhale zomwe akunena, ndikukhulupirira kuti magulu ambiri a punk omwe adakhazikitsidwa ku North America alibe chidwi chofuna kusintha. Nyimbo zingakhale chida champhamvu.
KOWALSKI: Chinthu chokhudza nyimbo ndi chakuti zimakupangitsani kumva chinachake, kapena mumatha kumvetsa momwe wina akumvera pa chinachake. Inu mukumva izo ndiyeno inu mukuti, “Eya.
HANAHH: Chikhalidwe cha DIY chidadziwitsa kuyambira pachiyambi. Pamene Todd anali mu Eye Spy, gulu lake lakale, ndi Propagandhi ndi Eye Spy zinali kukula limodzi, DIY inali chikhalidwe chomwe tinkafuna. Mpaka lero, chilichonse chothandiza, chilichonse chosatheka, timayesetsa kupanga m'malo athu.
KOWALSKI: Nthawi ina tinali ndi ma CD 5,000 ndipo tinkakhala ndikudula zidutswa za makatoni pa CD iliyonse yoyesa kupanga milandu.
HANAHH: DIY mpaka zopusa nthawi zina.
KOWALSKI: Kenako inkiyo imachotsa katoni pa CD ndikuiphwanya.
HANAHH: Koma kukulitsa koyenera kwa DIY ndi anthu kugwirizana m'malo moti wina azikakamiza malingaliro awo kwa wina aliyense.
Kodi zolinga za ndale zonse ndi zotani?
KOWALSKI: Chimodzi mwa zolinga zathu zazikulu monga oimba ndi kupanga nyimbo zomwe tingathe tikafika kunyumba. Pangani mawu abwino ndi nyimbo zabwino. Ndikufuna zambiri zomwe tikuchita kuti zikhudze kwambiri tsamba lathu. Nthawi zina timangoyendayenda ndikuzimiririka m'mithunzi. Zingakhale zabwino kukhala patsogolo ndi malingaliro atsopano nthawi zonse ndi zinthu zambiri zikuchitika.
HANAHH: Nthawi zikusintha nyimbo ndi magulu. Kupanga nyimbo zomwe zimatisangalatsa kwambiri - sungataye chifukwa anthu amamva ndikunena kuti "Inde, ndikhoza kukumba." Ndipo izi ndizofunikira pamalingaliro ndi nyimbo. Mutha kukhala ndi malingaliro abwino koma ngati muli ndi nyimbo zopusa, anthu sangagulemo nkomwe.
Mwakula bwanji mwaluso komanso ndale?
KOWALSKI: Mwaluso, takula mopusa. Ndikaganiza za kusewera kwanga komwe kwazaka zambiri, sindikhulupirira kuti tidakumana ndi gulu lamtundu uliwonse. Ndili ndi makanema amagulu anga akale ndipo mwachiwonekere takhala bwino.
Monga oimba nyimbo zakale za punk zomwe mumanyadira nazo kwambiri pantchito yanu?
KOWALSKI: Ndizovuta kunena. Nyimbo zina kapena zigawo za nyimbo.
HANAHH: Mwinanso kungosunga zenizeni kwa nthawi yayitali. Kuwona anzathu ambiri akugulitsa kapena akungoipiraipira. Sitinapiteko kukafuna mphete ya mkuwa ya perverbial. Ife tazisunga izo zenizeni. Ndi abwenzi anayi omwe ali m'chipinda chapansi akupanga nyimbo zomwe munthu aliyense amakonda.
KOWALSKI: Nthawi zina umayenera kunyada kuti ukudziwa kuti gulu lomwe muli nalo ndi lomwe mukadakonda mukadali mwana, koma ngati mwana simukanatha kulingalira nyimbo zomwe mukupanga chifukwa zenizeni. mawu ndi masitayelo panalibe mudakali mwana. Munatenga nyimbozo ndipo mudazipanga zatsopano.
HANAHH: Pamlingo wowoneka bwino komanso wodziwika bwino, kulandira mayankho kuchokera kwa anthu, ngakhale achinyamata, anthu onse. Iwo amanena kuti gulu lakhudza miyoyo yawo m'njira yosonyeza makhalidwe athu, ndicho chachikulu. Potsutsana ndi dongosolo lonse lomwe limaphunzitsa mfundo zina, gulu limatha kutembenuza munthu ku zikhalidwe zomwe mukuganiza kuti zimakhala zomveka. Mutha kunena kuti ndiye kulungamitsidwa kwa moyo wanu, ngakhale zitangokhala zongopeka.
Ndi nyimbo iti yomwe ili pafupi kwambiri ndi inu?
KOWALSKI: Ngati ndingapite ndi imodzi yomwe ndinapanga, "Wobweretsa Zinthu Zazikulu," yomwe ndinalembera mawu ake. Ndinakulira ku Regina. Zinali zatsankho kwambiri. Banja langa linali latsankho. Kuti ndizitha kusintha m'moyo wanga ndikuzindikira, ndili ndi zaka 17-18, tonse tatopa. Kuwona amayi anga akudikirira ndikunena kuti "Inde, tatopa" ndipo mchimwene wanga amangoyang'ana kuti "Inde, tatopa." Kulemba nyimbo yosalemala ndipo ili ndi tanthauzo kwa ine ndipo ili ndi cholemetsa chomwe ndimachiwona m'mutu mwanga monga chithunzi chonse. Nyimboyi ikunena za, ku Saskatoon, apolisi akutenga anthu achiaborijini kunja kwa mzindawo ndikuwapangitsa kuti ayende kunyumba mu 40 digiri pansi pa nyengo. Anyamata ochepa amwalira ndi izi. Inu mukudziwa izo zimachitika. Ndimanyadira kuti ndachotsa china chake pachifuwa changa m'njira yomwe imandisangalatsa mwaluso.
Kodi m'tsogolomu ndi chiyani?
KOWALSKI: Kupita kunyumba kukamenya mwamphamvu momwe tingathere.
HANAHH: Mbiri ina mwanjira iliyonse yomwe msika umalola. Kusewera kwambiri, kugwedezeka kwambiri m'chipinda chapansi, kuchisunga kukhala chenicheni, kulumikiza mawu ndi magulu ku zomwe timachita m'miyoyo yathu yeniyeni. Kuyesera kuthandiza anthu omwe akuchitanso zinthu zomwe zimagwirizana ndi zomwe gululi limadzinenera. Gawo lalikulu la gululi likuthandizira anthu omwe akuchita ntchito zonyansa.
KOWALSKI: Tikuyesera kuchita ntchito yomweyo. Pali gulu ndikuyesera kuchita mtundu wa ntchito. Zonse ndizosangalatsa. Palibe chomwe chikuwoneka ngati ntchito. Palibenso ntchito yolipidwa.
Marie Trigona ndi wolemba, wopanga wailesi, komanso wopanga mafilimu.