Nws yog qhov tseeb tias txij li thaum 9-11-2001, Tsoomfwv Meskas tau ua lag luam los rhuav tshem lub tebchaws thiab siv NATO ua nws txoj cai ntsuas. Qhov ntawd tau hais ntau tshaj li kaum xyoo dhau los los ntawm US Tus Lwm Thawj Saib Xyuas Kev Tiv Thaiv Paul Wolfowitz thiab tom qab ntawd los ntawm General Wesley Clark. Lub Pentagon tau kos cov npe ntawm 7 lub xeev uas yuav tsum raug rhuav tshem: Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan thiab Syria thiab lawv tau ua haujlwm ua kom puas tag nrho lub tebchaws hauv cov npe. Lub tswv yim nyob rau hauv Ukraine yog tib yam, US / NATO / EU yog txhawb lub destabilization thiab breakup ntawm Ukraine nyob rau hauv thiaj li yuav ua tau lub NATO lub hom phiaj ntawm tsiv mus rau hauv Ukrainian thaj chaw ze rau Russia. Harvard xibfwb Francis Boyle, tus kws tshaj lij Asmeskas raws li Lavxias tau raug caw tuaj koom rau hauv Soviet Union los qhia txog cov teeb meem no thiab ntau ntxiv hauv kev xam phaj nrog Lub Suab Russia. Thaum Russia tau cuam tshuam rau hauv kev ntseeg tias Asmeskas xav kom rov pib dua US txoj cai txawv teb chaws tau raug npaj thiab hais los ntawm cov neeg ntxub Russia nyiam Zbignew Brzezinski thiab Richard Pipes. Brzezinski xav rhuav tshem Russia mus rau kwv yees li 68 qhov chaw thiab tau tso nws cov protรฉgรฉs nyob rau hauv tseem ceeb US txoj cai txawv teb chaws posts. Raws li Mr. Boyle Brezezinski tau ua haujlwm rau Obama cov thawj coj nrog nws cov acolytes thiab protรฉgรฉes, suav nrog US Ambassador rau Russia Michael McFaul, tus kws tshaj lij ntawm kev hloov xim. Thaum kawg ntawm hnub US txoj kev npaj yog pom kev tawg ntawm Lavxias Federation, uas yog lub hom phiaj.
Nov yog John Robles, koj tab tom mloog kev xam phaj nrog xibfwb Francis Boyle. Nws yog tus xibfwb hauv International Law ntawm University of Illinois College of Law hauv Champaign, Illinois. Nov yog ntu 1 ntawm kev xam phaj ntev dua. Koj tuaj yeem nrhiav lwm qhov kev xam phaj no ntawm peb lub vev xaib ntawm voiceofrussia.com
Robles: Nyob zoo Sir! Hmo no koj nyob li cas?
Boyle: Zoo heev. Ua tsaug rau kuv, John, thiab kuv qhov zoo tshaj plaws rau koj cov neeg mloog.
Robles: Ua tsaug Sir! Thiab ua tsaug rau qhov pom zoo nrog peb tham. Xov xwm ntawm hnub yog Ukraine. Tam sim no koj tsis ntev los no tau hais qee nqe lus thiab ua qee yam haujlwm txog Syria. Kuv xav nug txog koj cov kev sib raug zoo ntawm dab tsi tshwm sim tam sim no hauv Syria thiab dab tsi tshwm sim tam sim no hauv Ukraine. Koj puas pom kev sib txuas? Qee tus neeg hais tias Ukraine, qhov thawb muaj vim tias Asmeskas tsis raug tso cai ua tub rog ua haujlwm tawm tsam Syria. Koj puas pom kev sib raug zoo ntawm lawv?
Boyle: Zoo kuv yuav tsis hais tias yog "tsim" vim li cas. Raws li peb paub, Ukraine tau ntev los ua lub hom phiaj ntawm Teb Chaws Asmeskas thiab sim kom Ukraine mus rau NATO. Thiab txoj kev npaj EU no tsuas yog thawj kauj ruam hauv kev coj ua. EU tsis tau muab dab tsi rau Ukraine. Tab sis nws yog qhov tseeb heev, yog tias lawv tuaj yeem txav Ukraine mus ze rau EU, qhov ntawd yuav yog ib kauj ruam ze rau NATO. Qhov tseeb, kuv khuv xim hais tias ntau xyoo, txawm tias kuv muaj EU ua pej xeem thiab nqa daim ntawv hla tebchaws EU, EU tam sim no tau dhau los ua tsis muaj dab tsi tab sis qhov chaw rau NATO.
Yog li, kuv xav tias qhov no tiag tiag yuav tsum nkag siab txog kev maj mam txav ntawm NATO ntxiv mus rau sab hnub tuaj ua txhaum cov lus cog tseg uas George Bush Senior thiab Jim Baker tau muab rau Thawj Tswj Hwm Gorbachev tias yog nws pom zoo rau kev sib sau ua ke ntawm lub teb chaws Yelemees, NATO. yuav tsis txav mus rau sab hnub tuaj, mus rau Russia tus ciam teb.
Robles: Zoo, peb tau pom cov lus cog tseg ntawd, cov lus cog tseg zoo sib xws tau ua rau Thawj Tswj Hwm Gorbachev - thawj zaug thiab zaum kawg Thawj Tswj Hwm ntawm Soviet Union - cov no kuj tsis quav ntsej. Thiab hais txogโฆ
Boyle: Qhov teeb meem yog - nws yeej tsis tau txais lawv sau ntawv.
Robles: Qhov ntawd yog qhov kuv yuav hais.
Boyle: Qhov ntawd yog incredibly naive ntawm nws feem tsis tau txais lawv nyob rau hauv kev sau ntawv. Thiab kuv xav hais tias, tam sim no Tebchaws Meskas tab tom sim ua ib yam nkaus ntawm kev xa tawm BMDs (ballistic missile defense) mus rau Tebchaws Europe thiab ncig ciam teb ntawm Russia hais tias "koj yuav tsum lees txais peb qhov kev lees paub, tab sis peb tsis yog. yuav muab txhua yam rau koj sau ntawv. "
Koj paub, nws yog preposterous. Qhov tseeb, peb muaj qee yam hauv kev sau ntawv thiab qhov ntawd yog Anti-ballistic Missile System Treaty ntawm 1972 uas tiv thaiv tag nrho cov no. Thiab tom qab ntawd Bush Junior rub tawm ntawm qhov kev cog lus ntawd. Yog li, raws li nws sawv tam sim no, tiag tiag txhua yam mus, cov lus lees paub tsis muaj dab tsi.
Robles: Tau deb me ntsis ntawm ABM system tam sim no, koj hais NATO thiab Ukraine; muaj lub hom phiaj ua tub rog, yog tias koj tuaj yeem qhia peb txog qhov ntawd? Thiab puas muaj lub hom phiaj ua tub rog zoo sib xws rau Syria? Los yog lub hom phiaj ntawm Teb Chaws Asmeskas tsoom fwv hauv Syria?
Boyle: Txij li thaum 9/11 2001, raws li kev lees paub los ntawm Tus Lwm Thawj Saib Xyuas Kev Tiv Thaiv Paul Wolfowitz, Tsoomfwv Meskas yuav tau nkag mus rau hauv kev lag luam ntawm kev rhuav tshem cov xeev. Thiab tom qab ntawd tau lees paub los ntawm General Wesley Clark, raws li koj paub hauv nws cov ntawv sau cia, nws lub rooj sib tham nyob ntawd ntawm Pentagon qhov chaw uas lawv muaj cov npe ntawm xya lub xeev uas lawv yuav mus ua haujlwm.
Afghanistan yog thawj zaug, Iraq yog thib ob, Sudan nyob rau hauv daim ntawv teev npe, Libya nyob rau hauv daim ntawv teev npe thiab Syria nyob rau hauv daim ntawv, Iran yog nyob rau hauv daim ntawv. Yog li, lawv tab tom ua raws li cov npe ntawm kev rhuav tshem lub xeev. Syria tam sim no nyob ze rau saum, Iran tej zaum yuav yog tom ntej. Thiab nws kuj tshwm sim tam sim no tib lub tswv yim yog siv rau Ukraine los txhawb kev tawg ntawm Ukraine ntawm sab hnub tuaj thiab sab hnub poob thiab, Kuv xav ntxub hais tias, kev tawg ntawm Ukraine ua ib lub xeev.
Robles: Koj puas tuaj yeem rov hais qhov lus ntawd dua? Nws hais tiasโฆ
Boyle: Yog Wolfowitz tau hais tiasโฆ Kuv muaj cov lus qhia hauv kuv phau ntawv "Kev Ua Phem Txhaum Cai ntawm Nuclear Deterrence", qhov twg Wolfowitz tau hais tias: "Peb yuav nkag mus rau hauv kev lag luam ntawm kev rhuav tshem lub xeev". Thiab tom qab ntawd, tsis ntev tom qab ntawd General Wesley Clark (tus thawj coj ntawm NATO) tau nyob hauv Pentagon thiab tuaj yeem lees paub tias lawv tau kos npe ntawm xya lub xeev uas lawv tau ua raws li kev mus tom qab.
Yog li, qhov ntawd yog tiag tiag, lub hom phiaj ntawm Syria, tawm tsam Syria, yog li lawv tau ua rau Libya: txhawm rau txhawm rau Syria ua lub xeev rau hauv nws cov koom haum, kev ntseeg thiab haiv neeg tsis yog rau Tebchaws Meskas nkaus xwb tab sis kuj yog rau cov txiaj ntsig ntawm cov neeg Ixayees.
Raws li koj paub, cov neeg Ixayees tau ua tus tawm tsam ntev rau Syria. Lawv tau coj txoj kev npaj nyob ntawd, Yi Nolan Plan txhawm rau txhawm rau txhawm rau txhawm rau tswj hwm lawv thiab tswj hwm lawv. Yog li, ntawm no koj pom qhov kev pom zoo ntawm kev txaus siab ntawm Tebchaws Meskas thiab Israel.
Thiab kuv khuv xim hais tias, tab sis zoo nkauj npaum li cas lawv tau tawg Syria nyob rau hauv nws constituent units, raws li lawv tau ua rau Iraq. Tam sim no peb muaj peb lub xeev mini hauv Iraq. Tib yam tau ua rau Afghanistan thiab Libya, qhov twg koj muaj, koj paub tias nws nyuaj rau hais tias muaj lub ntsiab lus tseem ceeb nyob ntawd ntxiv lawm. Kuv muaj ib phau ntawv tshiab tawm hu ua "Kev Ua Liaj Ua Teb Libya thiab Ntiaj Teb Kev Txiav Txim" qhov twg kuv muaj tag nrho cov ntawv pov thawj hauv qhov ntawd thiab kev tshuaj xyuas. Thiab tom qab ntawd, kuv sim txuas qhov no mus rau Syria nyob ze ntawm qhov kawg ntawm phau ntawv.
Thiab nws tshwm sim peb tab tom pom tus qauv zoo sib xws ntawm tus cwj pwm ntawm no ntawm Ukraine: kom tsis txhob muaj teeb meem Ukraine, txhawb kev tawg, qee hom kev ua tsov ua rog lossis leej twg paub dab tsi. Thiab kuv twv qhov kev xav yog, zoo yog tias NATO-EU tuaj yeem tau txais sab hnub poob Ukraine - zoo! - lawv tuaj yeem txuas ntxiv ciam teb ntawm NATO, EU kom deb li deb.
Yog li, nws yog qhov xwm txheej txaus ntshai heev, vim tias, raws li koj paub, Ukraine yog qhov tseem ceeb tshaj plaws rau Russia. Thiab qhov thib ob, Russia ntseeg tias Ukraine yog lub txaj txaj ntawm nws txoj kev vam meej.
Robles: Zoo nws yog, qhov ntawd tsis yog kev ntseeg. Ukraine yog leej niam ntawm Rus.
Boyle: Kuv tau mus rau Ukraine thiab kuv tau mus rau qhov chaw Nestor sau nws cov keeb kwm, thiab kuv tau kawm keeb kwm Lavxias thiab Ukrainian, paub tseeb, ntawm Harvard. Thiab kuv tau dhau los ntawm tib PhD program ntawm Harvard uas tsim Zbigniew Brzezinski ua ntej kuv thiab Richard Pipes, ob leeg yog, yog cov neeg nyiam Russia ntxub, tsis muaj lus nug txog nws. Thiab qhov ntawd yog ib feem ntawm qhov teeb meem ntawm no hauv Tebchaws Meskas, thaum nws los txog rau kev tshawb fawb Lavxias, uas ntau ntawm nws yog kev tsis ncaj ncees rau Russia inherently.
Robles: Yog vim li cas, thov, yog tias koj ua tau? Koj tau dhau los ntawm qhov system, koj paub qhov system. Vim li cas Teb Chaws Asmeskas ntxub Russia heev? Vim li cas?
Boyle: Zoo kuv tau siv kaum xyoo nyob rau hauv University of Chicago thiab Harvard Law School kawm txog keeb kwm ntawm Lavxias teb sab, Lavxias teb sab ntaub ntawv, Soviet nom tswv, Lavxias teb sab kev nom kev tswv. Qhov tseeb tiag kuv txawm muaj kev nom kev tswv Soviet thiab Lavxias keeb kwm ntawm kuv PhD General Exams ntawm Harvard, uas tsim nyog kuv los qhia ob qho kev kawm rau undergraduates ntawm Harvard. Tab sis kuv yeej tsis tau kawm lus vim qhov ntawd tsis yog qhov kuv xav ua.
Thiab tag nrho cov xyoo, kaum xyoo ntawm kev kawm, kuv tsuas muaj ob tug xibfwb uas kuv xav tias yog ncaj ncees, tsim nyog thiab sib npaug thaum nws tuaj rau Russia thiab Soviet Union. Thiab nkag siab Harvard thiab Chicago yog ob lub chaw ua haujlwm hauv Tebchaws Meskas rau kev cob qhia cov kws tshaj lij Lavxias. Lawv cob qhia cov xibfwb thiab cov kws tshaj lij, tsoomfwv cov thawj coj thiab cov xwm txheej ntawm qhov xwm txheej ntawd.
Robles: Diplomatsโฆ
Boyle: Yog li, thiab dua, koj muaj Brzezinski, Kuv tau dhau los ntawm tib txoj haujlwm PhD uas tsim Brzezinski thiab Kissinger. Koj paub Brzezinski yog tus neeg txawv teb chaws Pole uas ntxub cov neeg Lavxias nrog kev mob siab rau.
Robles: Oh Vajtswv yog, yogโฆ
Boyle: Tseeb tiag Brzezinski xav kom tawg Russia rau hauv nws cov koom haum.
Robles: Yog lawm, kuv xav tias nws yog 68 thaj chaw muaj kev ywj pheej, yog tias qhov ntawd yog.
Boyle: Nws yog qhov txaus ntshai tshaj qhov ntawd! Hauv qhov ntawd Obama tus kws qhia ntawm Columbia yog Brzezinski. Thiab Brzezinski tau khiav cov cuab yeej ua haujlwm txawv teb chaws rau Obama txoj kev sib tw thiab nws tau ua haujlwm rau Obama cov thawj coj nrog nws cov neeg ua haujlwm thiab cov neeg saib xyuas, zoo li McFaul - tus sawv cev tam sim no.
Robles: Kuv thov txim, koj puas tuaj yeem nthuav me ntsis ntawm McFaul? Koj hais tias nws yog ib tug ntawm Brzezinski protรฉgรฉ.
Boyle: Yog lawm, nws yog los ntawm Hoover lub koom haum ntawm Stanford, uas yog ib tug neo-conservative lag luam tawm muaj, thiab Brzezinski yog ib tug ntawm cov neeg no.
Robles: Puas yog McFaul xaiv los ntawm Brzezinski?
Boyle: Kuv xav tias txhua qhov kev teem caij siab hauv Obama cov thawj coj hauv kev ua haujlwm txawv teb chaws tau khiav los ntawm Brzezinski. Qhov ntawd yog kuv tus kheej xav saib nws. Yog lawm, Brzezinski txiav txim siab tsis los ua nws tus kheej, tab sis tag nrho cov neeg no uas tau ncig Obama, tsis yog nyob rau Russia, tab sis lwm thaj chaw, yog Brzezinski protรฉgรฉs thiab qhov tseeb uas rov qab mus rau hauv Democratic Party Kuv xav tias txij li Carter los ua hwj chim thiab Brzezinski. yog nws tus kws pab tswv yim kev nyab xeeb hauv tebchaws. Koj paub, nws yog tus uas pib ua tsov rog Afghan Mujahidin tawm tsam Soviet Union hauv Afghanistan thiab khav txog nws.
Yog li ntawd, nyob rau hauv lub Democratic Party Brzezinski yog suav hais tias yog lawv txawv teb chaws guru thiab nws yog Obama tus cob qhia ntawm Columbia, thiab nws yog ib qho teeb meem ntawm pej xeem cov ntaub ntawv uas Brzezinski tab tom khiav lag luam txawv teb chaws apparatus rau Obama phiaj los nqis tes.
Robles: Wow!
Boyle: Yog li, kuv yeej ntseeg tias nws tau pab cov neeg ua haujlwm no cov thawj coj ntawm kev ua haujlwm txawv teb chaws.
Robles: Tib neeg tab tom xav txog qhov pib dua thiab sim txhim kho kev sib raug zoo. Thiab kuv tsis xav tias leej twg paub tias nws yog tag nrho Brzezinski, vim tias tib neeg paub tias leej twg Brzezinski tau ntev dhau los.
Boyle: Txoj cai. Zoo, qhov no kuv xav tias yog ib feem ntawm lawv txoj kev npaj kom pom kev tawg ntawm Lavxias Federation, thaum kawg ntawm hnub. Tseeb, qhov ntawd yog kuv xav tias nws lub hom phiaj yog dab tsi.
Koj paub, yog tias koj xav tau daim ntawv pov thawj raws li tus kws tshaj lij ntawm Russia, koj yuav tsum mus rau qhov chaw xws li Columbia lossis Harvard, lossis Chicago thiab tau txais koj daim Master's degree lossis PhD los ntawm cov neeg zoo li ntawd. Nyob rau hauv Harvard lawv kuj muaj Richard Pipes, nws yog Reagan tus thawj guru ntawm lub Soviet Union, Pawg Neeg Saib Xyuas Kev Nyab Xeeb Tam Sim No.
Kuv muaj Pipes rau imperial Lavxias teb sab keeb kwm, dua, lwm expatriate Pole uas ntxub cov Russians nrog mob siab rau. Cov kav dej tau phem heev hauv nws txoj kev kawm ntawm Imperial Lavxias teb sab keeb kwm, nws tau siv los ua hws thaum nws tab tom hais lus rau Peter the Great lossis Catherine the Great thiab yuav tsum tau nqa ib daim phuam tawm ntawm nws lub hnab thiab so nws ob lub qhov muag. Yog li, nws yog lwm tus kiv cua tawm tsam cov neeg Lavxias, tsuas yog muaj npe hauv Republican Party.
Yog li, peb tsis tshua muaj ... koj paub xibfwb Cohen ntawm NYU Kuv xav tias yog ncaj ncees, sib npaug thiab tsim nyog thaum nws los txog rau Russia. Nws nyuam qhuav sau ib yam dab tsi hauv Lub Tebchaws ntawm Ukraine. Thiab kuv xav tias nws tau sau ib phau ntawv zoo heev rau Russia. Tab sis koj paub, nws yog qhov tshwj xeeb rau txoj cai zoo nkauj ntawm no hauv Tebchaws Meskas thaum nws los txog rau kev cob qhia thiab kev lees paub dab tsi yog Soviet thiab tam sim no cov kws tshaj lij Lavxias.
Robles: Yog li ntawd, yog vim li cas koj thiaj ncaj ncees Sir?
Boyle: Kuv sim tuaj ntawm Russia thiab Soviet Union nrog kev qhib siab. Kuv tau nyob los ntawm Cuban missile ntsoog thiab kuv xaus lus tias tej zaum qhov teeb meem tseem ceeb tshaj plaws ntawm kuv lub sijhawm yuav tsum kawm kom nkag siab txog Russia thoob plaws hauv pawg thawj coj saib xyuas thiab Soviet Union. Yog li, yog vim li cas kuv tau siv kaum xyoo kawm hauv University of Chicago thiab Harvard thiab tau txais daim ntawv pov thawj hauv cov cheeb tsam no.
Thiab kuv yuav tsum hais tias kuv txaus siab heev. Kuv muaj xibfwb Edward Keenan ntawm Harvard uas yog kuv tus kws qhia ntawv, tus cob qhia thiab phooj ywg. Thiab nws yog Tus Thawj Coj ntawm Lub Chaw Tshawb Fawb Lavxias. Thiab nws yog tus ncaj ncees, sib npaug thiab tsim nyog, thiab xibfwb Harold Berman ntawm Harvard Law School, dua, ncaj ncees, sib npaug thiab tsim nyog. Tab sis qhov ntawd tau zoo nkauj heev txog nws.
Kuv tau raug caw ntau tshaj ob zaug los ntawm Tsoom Fwv Teb Chaws Asmeskas los qhuab qhia, ib zaug nyob thoob plaws lub tebchaws xyoo 1986 thiab tom qab ntawd xyoo 1989. Thiab kuv twv lawv tsuas xav tias kuv yog ib tug neeg Amelikas uas tsim nyog tham nrog. Thiab kuv tau qhib, kuv tau ntsib nrog tib neeg thiab qhuab qhia thiab kuv zoo li tau nrog txhua tus. Peb tsis tas yuav pom zoo txhua yam, tab sis tsawg kawg peb tuaj yeem sim tham nws tawm.
Tab sis qhov ntawd tsis yog qhov peb tab tom pom tam sim no. Qhov ntawd yog qhov tseeb! Raws li peb paub los ntawm Nuland daim kab xev ntawm no nrog Ambassador nyob rau hauv Kiev, nws lees tias lawv tau siv tsawg kawg yog $ 5 lab tam sim no sim los txhawb kev tawm tsam rau tsoomfwv xaiv nom tswv hauv Ukraine. Txhua yam koj xav txog Yanukovych, nws tau raug xaiv los ntawm kev ywj pheej thiab txog tam sim no kuv xav tias nws tau pom muaj kev txwv zoo kawg.
Koj tau mloog kev xam phaj nrog xibfwb Francis Boyle. Nws yog tus xibfwb hauv International Law ntawm University of Illinois College of Law. Qhov ntawd yog ntu 1 ntawm kev xam phaj ntev dua. Koj tuaj yeem nrhiav lwm qhov kev xam phaj no ntawm peb lub vev xaib ntawm voiceofrussia.com
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