Ua pepehi nā pūʻali koa ʻIseraʻela i 183 Palestinians mai kēlā me kēia pule i hoʻomaka ai nā hōʻikeʻike ʻo Great March of Return ma Gaza ma kahi o hoʻokahi makahiki i hala aku nei e kuhikuhi ana i ka pale hoʻokaʻawale ikaika o ka ʻIseraʻela. ʻO ia e like me kahi noiʻi hou o nā Aupuni Hui Pū ʻIa i ʻike ai ua hana nā pūʻali koa ʻIseraʻela i nā hewa kaua a me nā hewa kūʻē i ke kanaka ma o ka hoʻopaʻa ʻana i nā keiki kīnā ʻole, nā mea nūpepa a me nā mea kīnā ma Gaza. Ua hoʻokuʻu ʻia ka hōʻike e ka UN Human Rights Council i ka Pōʻalima. Ke kamaʻilio nei mākou me Norman Finkelstein, ka mea aʻoaʻo a me ka mea kākau o "Gaza: An Inquest into Its Martyrdom," a me Sara Hossain, he lālā o ke komisina kūʻokoʻa UN nāna i alakaʻi i ka hoʻokolokolo Gaza.
AMY GOODMAN: Makemake au e hele i ke Kuhina Haole o ka ʻIseraʻela, ʻo Yisrael Katz, e pane ana i ka UN Human Rights Council. hoike.
ISERAELA KATZ: [Unuhiʻia] He mokuna ʻē aʻe kēia hōʻike ma ka hale kiʻiʻoniʻoni o ka mea lapuwale i hana ʻia i kekahi manawa e ka United Nations Human Rights Council, kahi hōʻike kūʻē kūʻē, hoʻopunipuni a slanted e kūʻē i ka mokuʻāina o ʻIseraʻela. He hōʻike ia e pili ana i ka ʻike hoʻopunipuni, kahi i nānā ʻole ʻia ai nā ʻoiaʻiʻo, nona wale nō ka manaʻo e hōʻino wale i ke aupuni democracy wale nō ma ka Hikina Waena a hōʻino i ko mākou kuleana e pale aku iā ia iho i mua o ka hoʻoweliweli o kahi hui pepehi kanaka. Ua hōʻole loa ka mokuʻāina o ʻIseraʻela i kēia hōʻike.
AMY GOODMAN: ʻO Norm Finkelstein, ke koʻikoʻi o ka ʻIseraʻela e ʻōlelo nei e hōʻole i ka hōʻike?
Norman FINKELSTEIN: ʻAe, ua hōʻole mau ʻo ʻIseraʻela i nā hōʻike, inā paha mai United Nations mai lākou a i ʻole, ʻoi aku ka nui o nā hui pono kanaka kaulana, e like me Amnesty International a me Human Rights Watch a i ʻole ka hui kuleana kanaka Israeli B'Tselem. No laila, ʻaʻole ia e like me ka hoʻohana ʻana i nā huaʻōlelo a ka mea āu i loaʻa ai, ʻaʻole ia he hōʻike UN mendacious maʻamau. He hōʻike ia e pili ana i nā ʻike o kēlā me kēia hui pono kanaka kaulana.
AMY GOODMAN: He aha ka mea i pīhoihoi loa iā ʻoe no kēia hōʻike?
Norman FINKELSTEIN: ʻO ka mea i hauʻoli nui iaʻu e pili ana i ka hōʻike ʻo ia ka ʻoiaʻiʻo. Ua pololei loa i kāna mau manaʻo. A ʻaʻole ia i hoʻopunipuni i kēia ʻano kaulike, ʻo ka hapa nui o nā hui pono kanaka, ʻoiai nā mea kaulana, i hoʻāʻo ma waena o ʻIseraʻela a me ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa. No laila, no ka lawe ʻana i kekahi mau hiʻohiʻona, ua ʻōlelo pololei ʻo ʻIseraʻela i ka manaʻo i nā keiki i kēia mau hōʻike. Huli ia i nā mea hoʻolaha. Kuhi ia i nā limahana lapaʻau. A he mea maʻamau kēlā. E ʻae mai iaʻu i ʻelua mau laʻana, āu e kamaʻāina ai. No laila, i ka wā i pepehi ʻia ai nā keiki ʻehā i ka wā o Operation Protective Edge e pāʻani ana i ka peʻe-a-ʻimi—
AMY GOODMAN: Ua hoʻi kēia i ka makahiki 2014.
Norman FINKELSTEIN: 2014. I kēia mau lā, ʻO ke kuʻina he ʻatikala e pili ana i kēlā ʻehā-pepehi ʻana i nā keiki ʻehā, a loaʻa kēia moʻolelo ʻaʻole lākou i manaʻo ʻia e pepehi ʻia, he pōʻino, he kuhihewa. A me ka mea like me The New York Times i ka wā i loaʻa ai ka moʻolelo nui ma Razan al-Najjar, i ʻōlelo ʻia ma nā wahi āpau. ʻO ke kumu o ka moʻolelo, aia ka pōkā sniper a ka ʻIseraʻela, ua paʻi i ka honua, ricocheted a laila ua paʻi ʻia ʻekolu mau limahana lapaʻau ʻIseraʻela. He poka kupua ia, no ka mea, ua nui ka lehulehu o na kanaka, aka, ua ku keia poka kupua i ekolu kanaka lapaau wale no.
Akā ʻo kēia hōʻike pono kanaka a ka Human Rights Council, pololei loa. Ua ʻōlelo ʻia e hoʻopaʻa manaʻo i nā keiki, e hoʻopaʻa i nā poʻe kino kīnā. A iaʻu, he hōʻaiʻē ia iā lākou ʻaʻohe kaulike hoʻopunipuni. Inā ʻoe e nānā i nā ʻāpana, i ka nānā ʻana i nā pōʻino i hana ʻia i ka poʻe o Gaza, hāʻawi lākou i 10 mau ʻaoʻao piha. A laila aia kahi ʻāpana i kapa ʻia ʻo "Impact on Israel." ʻEkolu pauku. A ʻo ia ka mea i hōʻike ʻia e ka ʻoiaʻiʻo, ʻoi aku ka nui-ʻo ka ʻoiaʻiʻo, ʻaneʻane holoʻokoʻa-ʻo nā mea āpau o ka make a me ka luku ʻana aia ma ka ʻaoʻao Palestinian. No ka manawa a lākou i uhi ai, i ka wā o nā hōʻikeʻike, ʻaʻohe mea make i ka wā o ka hōʻike ʻana, a ʻehā mau koa ʻIseraʻela i ʻeha māmā. He mau pepehi kanaka keia. ʻAʻole lākou he paio. ʻAʻole lākou he hoʻopaʻapaʻa. He mau pepehi kanaka wale no lakou o na mea hoikeike ikaika ole.
AMY GOODMAN: Ua puka mai kēia hōʻike e like me ka ʻōlelo a ka loio kuhina o ka ʻIseraʻela e hoʻopiʻi ʻo ia i ke kuhina nui, ʻo Benjamin Netanyahu. ʻO ke koʻikoʻi o kēia?
Norman FINKELSTEIN: ʻAe, hōʻole ka ʻIseraʻela i nā hōʻike. No laila, ma ia pōʻaiapili, ʻaʻole ia he mea nui. Eia nō naʻe, he koʻikoʻi koʻikoʻi. ʻO ia hoʻi, ʻelua mau hihia i hāʻawi ʻia i ka International Criminal Court e pili ana i ke kūlana ma waena o ka Palestinians. Aia kekahi hihia ma ka Mavi Marmara, ka flotilla ma 2010 i hele mai ma lalo o ka hoʻouka kaua ʻana o ka ʻIseraʻela. A ʻo ka lua o ka hihia e pili ana i nā hewa kaua o ka ʻIseraʻela ma West Bank, ʻo ka hapa nui o nā noho, a me Operation Protective Edge ma Gaza. I kēia manawa, ʻo ke poʻo o nā limahana i ka wā o Operation Protective Edge i Iulai, ʻAukake 2014-ʻo ke poʻo o ka ʻIseraʻela ʻo Gantz—manaʻo wau ʻo Benny kona inoa mua, akā hiki iaʻu ke kuhihewa—Gantz. A ʻo ka ʻoiaʻiʻo o ka hihia, inā i waho ʻo Netanyahu, ʻo Gantz paha ke kuhina nui, a e kū ʻo ia no ka hoʻopiʻi ʻana e ka International Criminal Court. ʻO ka luna hoʻopiʻi nui, ʻo Fatou Bensouda, ke hoʻāʻo nui nei ʻaʻole e noiʻi i nā hewa kaua o ka ʻIseraʻela. Akā i loko o ka International Criminal Court, ua loaʻa kahi pushback i ʻike ʻole ʻia. Nui na lala—nui na lala o ka ICC ka poe e olelo ana, ua hiki i ka manawa e hoopii ai i ka Iseraela. A ʻo ke koʻikoʻi—ma muli o kēia hōʻike, e piʻi nui ana ke kaomi ʻana iā Bensouda, ka luna hoʻopiʻi nui ʻo Bensouda. ʻO ka manawa kēia e hoʻopiʻi ai i ka ʻIseraʻela.
AMY GOODMAN: A no ka maopopo, ʻo ke Kuhina Nui ʻo Benjamin Netanyahu, inā i hoʻopiʻi ʻia, e like me ka ʻōlelo a ka loio Kuhina, ʻaʻole ia e hoʻopiʻi ʻia no kēia, akā no ka palaho.
Norman FINKELSTEIN: Pololei kēlā. He ʻano ia - e like me kaʻu i ʻōlelo ai, ua like ia me Al Capone i hoʻopiʻi ʻia no ka ʻauhau ʻauhau. Ma ka hoʻolālā nui o nā mea, ʻo ia ka mea liʻiliʻi loa o nā hewa a Capone. Akā ʻo ia ke ʻano o ka ʻōnaehana hoʻokolokolo.
AMY GOODMAN: Ua pane aku ʻo ʻAmelika i ka hōʻike?
Norman FINKELSTEIN: I koʻu ʻike, ʻaʻole ʻo ʻAmelika. He hōʻike mua kēia. E puka mai ka hōʻike piha i ka lā 18 o Malaki, manaʻo wau. No laila ʻo kēia ke ʻano o ka mea a lākou e kapa ai e like me ka hōʻuluʻulu manaʻo. He 22 ʻaoʻao. Manaʻo wau e ʻoi aku ka nui o ka hōʻike piha.
AMY GOODMAN: A, e Sara Hossain, he aha kāu makemake e ʻike i ka puka ʻana mai o kēia hōʻike?
Sara HOSAINA: Manaʻo wau makemake mākou e ʻike i kekahi hana, ka hana a ka ʻIseraʻela, ka hana a ka Palestinian Authority a me ka hana a ke kaiāulu honua.
Makemake wau e haʻi i hoʻokahi mea, akā naʻe, e pili ana i nā ʻike. Ua ʻike pū nō hoʻi mākou ma ka ʻelua o nā hanana a mākou i nānā ai, ma ka lā 14 o Mei a ma ka lā 12 o ʻOkakopa, aia paha kekahi kumu kūpono no nā pana. Ma ka lā 14 o Mei, ua loaʻa iā mākou kahi hanana i make ai nā kānaka he 21, akā ke manaʻo nei mākou aia paha kahi pilikia o ke komo pololei ʻana i nā hakakā, a hiki paha ke hōʻoia i nā pana. A pono e noiʻi hou aku.
Akā ke manaʻo nei mākou ua loaʻa nā ʻike āpau, a no laila e lawe mākou iā lākou i mua. Manaʻo mākou he mea koʻikoʻi me ka lā 30 o Malaki i mua o mākou, ka lā hoʻomanaʻo o ka hoʻomaka ʻana o ka mea i kapa ʻia ʻo Great March of Return, he mea koʻikoʻi loa ka hana ʻana o ke kaiāulu honua e hōʻoia i ka pau ʻole o kēia make a me kēia mau ʻeha. 'aʻole hoʻomau. Ke kāhea nei mākou no ka mālama ʻana i ka mālama ʻana. Ke kāhea nei mākou e hoʻopau i ka hana - e hoʻopau i kēia nui o ka make a me ka ʻeha e hoʻomau nei i ka makahiki i hala a ke hoʻomau nei a hiki i kēia manawa.
AMY GOODMAN: ʻO Sara Hossain, makemake wau e hoʻomaikaʻi iā ʻoe no kou noho pū ʻana me mākou, he lālā o ke komisina kūʻokoʻa UN nāna i alakaʻi i ka hoʻokolokolo Gaza. ʻO Norman Finkelstein, ka mea kākau a me ka haumāna; kāna puke hou loa, ʻO Gaza: He nīnau no kona make ʻana. E hoʻi mākou i 30 kekona.
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