Ke hele nei ke kanaka i ka pōʻino o ke aniau, ʻoi aku ka paʻakikī o ka pono e noʻonoʻo a kūkulu i nā hui a me nā ʻoihana hoʻokele waiwai i kēlā me kēia lā. Eia nō naʻe, ua kaupalena ʻia kā mākou noʻonoʻo hui a hiki ʻole ke ʻike i nā hui a me nā ʻoihana i hoʻonohonoho ʻole ʻia e pili ana i ka ʻimi kālā a me ka ulu mau ʻole. Pela i ka mea hiki he ʻano hoʻokele waiwai "degrowth"? No kekahi, ʻo ka "degrowth" he huaʻōlelo haumia e hōʻailona ana i ka wā e hiki mai ana o ka austerity e unuhi i nā poho nui o nā hana a me ke kūpaʻa waiwai no ka poʻe hana i ka wā e heihei ana nā hui e hōʻoki i ka hoʻokele waiwai e pale aku i nā hopena maikaʻi loa o ka hoʻololi ʻana i ke aniau. No nā poʻe ʻē aʻe, ʻo ka "degrowth" ke ʻano o ka hōʻemi ʻana i nā hana ma nā ʻoihana hoʻopau ʻino loa e like me ka aila a me ke kinoea i ka wā e ʻimi ana i ka ulu ʻana o ka hana ma nā wahi ʻē aʻe e like me ke kūkulu ʻana i nā ʻōnaehana ʻōmaʻomaʻo, nā hana hoʻomaʻemaʻe kaiapuni, ka mahiʻai hoʻomau, a pēlā aku. Akā, e like me ka mea maʻamau, ʻaʻole ʻoe e lohe i ka ʻōlelo a ka poʻe hana ma ka ʻāina e pili ana i kēia mau pilikia.
No ka makahiki i hala iho nei, ua loaʻa iā Max ka hanohano o ke komo ʻana i kahi papahana pili no ʻO nā mea mālama, "he ʻenehana noiʻi honua e makemake ana i nā manaʻo o ka mālama ʻana, nā ʻōnaehana, ka hoʻoponopono ʻana, a me nā ʻano hana he nui a me ka ʻike e hoʻomau i kā mākou honua i kūkulu ʻia e ke kanaka." Ma nā ʻāpana ʻelua e hiki mai ana, e hoʻolauna mākou iā ʻoe i kekahi o nā hana a Max a me The Maintainers e hana nei no ka pilina. I kēia lā, e lohe ana ʻoe i kekahi o nā nīnauele a Max i alakaʻi ʻia ma ke ʻano o ka papahana hui pōhaku kihi no ka 2022 cohort o Maintainers Movement Fellows.
Ma kahi kūkākūkā hui kūikawā e pili ana i ke ʻano o ka hoʻololi ʻana i ka poʻe hana i kahi ʻoihana hoʻokele kaiaola, ʻōlelo ʻo Max me: Megan Milliken Biven, he limahana mua o ke aupuni federala a hoʻokumu i ka True Transition, he hui e kālele ana i ka kamaʻilio pololei ʻana i nā limahana ʻaila a me nā kinoea holoʻokoʻa o ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa e pili ana i kā lākou kūlana hana, ko lākou aʻo ʻana a me ka uku uku, ko lākou manaolana no nā ʻoihana o ka lā ʻapōpō, a ke hana nei lākou e kōkua. hana i nā ʻano hana uku maikaʻi a loaʻa i nā limahana ke ʻano o ka hoʻomaʻamaʻa ʻana e pono ai lākou e hoʻololi i kahi ikehu hoʻomau e hiki mai ana; James Hiatt, he kanaka hana hoʻoheheʻe ʻaila, mea loiloi lab, a me ka mea hoʻohana no kekahi mau makahiki a ke hana nei me ka ʻO Louisiana Bucket Brigade e paipai i nā ʻano ʻano hoʻokele waiwai ʻē aʻe ma Louisiana ma mua o ka paʻa ʻana o ka ʻoihana wahie mōʻalihaku; a ʻo Clarke, he luʻu pāʻoihana lōʻihi i hana mua i ka hana ʻaelike no nā hui aila a me ke kinoea ma ke Kaiwa o Mekiko no nā makahiki he 15, akā ke hoʻololi nei i kēia manawa i nā ʻano hana luʻu ʻoihana ʻē aʻe.
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Maximillian Alvarez: ʻAe. Welina mai, e nā mea a pau, i kekahi manawa hou o Working People, kahi podcast e pili ana i nā ola, nā hana, nā moeʻuhane, a me nā hakakā o ka papa hana i kēia lā. Lawe ʻia mai iā ʻoe ma ka hui pū ʻana me In These Times magazine a me The Real News Network, i hana ʻia e Jules Taylor, a hiki i ke kākoʻo o nā mea hoʻolohe e like me ʻoe. ʻO Maximilian Alvarez koʻu inoa, a hauʻoli loa wau no ka mea he paʻi kūikawā kēia o ka podcast. E like me kāu e ʻike ai, he makahiki paʻa loa ia ma kēia hopena, e ʻōlelo iki, ma waena o nā kamaʻilio koʻikoʻi āpau me nā limahana a mākou i hoʻopaʻa a paʻi ʻia ma ʻaneʻi ma ka podcast, e hoʻopuka ana i kaʻu puke mua i ʻAukake, e hoʻomaka ana i kaʻu Art of ʻO ka mahele kaua papa ma Breaking Points, a ʻoiaʻiʻo hoʻi, nā uhi āpau a mākou e hana nei ma The Real News Network e pili ana i ke kaua ma Ukraine, ke koho balota waena, ke koho balota ʻo Brazil, ka pilikia e mau nei ma nā alanui kaʻaahi o ka lāhui, a me nā mea he nui. hou aku.
Akā ma luna o nā mea a pau, ua loaʻa iaʻu ka hauʻoli nui a me ka hanohano e komo i kahi papahana launa no kahi hui maikaʻi loa i kapa ʻia ʻo The Maintainers, a ua loaʻa iaʻu ka manawa e hana pū me kekahi poʻe kupaianaha maoli i ka hui mālama. , me nā lālā ʻē aʻe o ka 2022 cohort o Maintainers Movement Fellows. E like me kā lākou wehewehe ʻana iā lākou iho ma ka pūnaewele The Maintainers, "ʻO ka Maintainers kahi pūnaewele noiʻi honua e makemake ana i nā manaʻo o ka mālama ʻana, nā ʻōnaehana, hoʻoponopono, a me nā ʻano hana he nui a me ka ʻike e hoʻomau i kā mākou honua i kūkulu ʻia. Hele mai ko mākou mau lālā mai nā ʻano ʻano like ʻole me nā ʻenekinia, nā alakaʻi ʻoihana, nā mea kākau moʻolelo hoʻonaʻauao, nā ʻepekema pilikanaka, ke aupuni, nā keʻena waiwai ʻole, nā mea pena, nā mea hana, nā coders, a me nā mea hou aku. Ma o nā hoʻoikaika like ʻana ma waena o kahi ʻoihana i hui pū ʻia o nā kaiāulu, ke ʻimi nei mākou i kā mākou misionari o ka mālama ʻana iā ʻoe iho a me ke kaiāulu ma o ka noʻonoʻo ʻana, ka noiʻi, a me ka hoʻolaha ʻana i ka manaʻolana e loaʻa i kahi honua mālama a mālama maikaʻi ʻia.
I kēia manawa, maopopo iaʻu ma hope o ka lohe ʻana i kēlā wehewehe ʻana hiki paha iā ʻoe ke ʻike i ke kumu i hauʻoli nui ai au e pili ana i ka manaʻo e lilo i Fellow Movement Movement a e pili ana i ka manaʻolana o ka hoʻohui ʻana i ka hana aʻu e hana nei ma ke aupuni o ka media a me ka hana me ka misionari ʻO nā mea mālama. A ma nā ʻāpana ʻelua e hiki mai ana, e hoʻolauna aku au iā ʻoukou a pau i kekahi o nā hana aʻu e hana nei no ka launa pū ʻana, a e hele ana ʻoe e hālāwai me ke koena o ka hui The Maintainers a loaʻa kahi in- e nānā hohonu i kā mākou papahana Hui Pōhaku. A ʻo ka mea ʻoiaʻiʻo, inā makemake ʻoe e hui pū me aʻu, ʻo nā mea ʻē aʻe Maintainers Movement Fellows, a me ka hui Maintainers holoʻokoʻa no ke kūkākūkā ola e pili ana i kā mākou papahana, a laila e kaha i kāu mau kalena a kāhea aku no kā mākou hanana virtual ma ka Pōʻalima, Dec. 15, ʻo ia hoʻi. mai ka hola 2:00 a 3:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, a ua kapa ʻia ʻo Embodying De-Growth: An Event with the Maintainers Movement Fellows. Eia hou, ʻo ia hanana ola ma ka Pōʻalima, Dek. :15 PM Eastern Standard Time, a hiki iā ʻoe ke kelepona ma kahi mamao aku, a hiki iā ʻoe ke ʻike i nā kikoʻī hou aku ma ka hahai ʻana i ka loulou i ka hanana ma nā memo hōʻike no kēia ʻāpana.
A no laila i kēia lā, e lohe ana ʻoe i kekahi o nā nīnauele aʻu i alakaʻi ai ma ke ʻano o ia papahana hui. ʻĀnō, ʻo kēia nīnauele kahi aʻu i makemake nui ai e hana no ka hōʻike no ka manawa lōʻihi, a ua noʻonoʻo mua wau e hoʻohui i kekahi mea ma kēia ʻano i koʻu noi ʻana e lilo i Fellow Movement Maintainers i kēia makahiki i hala. .
A e like me kaʻu i kākau maoli ai i kaʻu noi i ka poʻe mālama mālama, "makemake nui wau e hoʻomohala i kahi papahana e nānā ana i nā hana o kēia wā o ka mālama, hoʻoponopono, a me ka mālama ʻana i nā ʻoihana ma o ka hoʻokumu ʻana i nā hana, nā leo, a me nā hakakā o ka ʻiʻo a me ke koko kanaka. ʻO kāna hana i kēlā me kēia lā ka ikaika nui e mālama ai i ke kaiāulu e like me kā mākou e ʻike ai, ʻoi aku ma hope o ka hoʻololi ʻana o ka honua i ka ʻike o COVID-19, nā limahana i manaʻo ʻia he mea koʻikoʻi a me ka poʻe e hana nei i nā ʻano hana koʻikoʻi e like me ka hana mālama, ʻoiai inā ʻaʻole lākou i hāʻawi ʻia. ʻO kēlā manaʻo koʻikoʻi koʻikoʻi, ua ʻike ʻoi aku paha i ke ʻano o ke ʻano o ka mālama ʻana i ke koena o ke kaiāulu mai ka hāʻule ʻana.
"ʻO ka papahana aʻu i manaʻo ai e kālele ana i ke kamaʻilio ʻana me nā limahana ma ia mau kūlana ma nā ʻoihana like ʻole, e hoʻonui ana i kā lākou ʻike i ka wā maʻi maʻi, a me ka hui pū ʻana i ka manaʻo kūpono o ke ʻano o ke kaiāulu hoʻomau, a me ka mālama ʻana a me ka mālama ʻana i ka nohona. ʻO nā ʻōnaehana i loko o ia hui e ka poʻe hana e komo i kēlā me kēia lā. Makemake au e kamaʻilio i ka ʻoiaʻiʻo hoʻonāukiuki mau, i ka wā e hiki mai ana i ka noʻonoʻo ʻana i nā hui a me nā ʻoihana hoʻokele kaiapuni, ʻo nā alakaʻi ʻoihana a me nā alakaʻi kālai'āina ʻaneʻane hoʻopaʻa mau i kā mākou noʻonoʻo hui ʻana i nā ʻano hana e loaʻa mai ia mau hui a me nā ʻoihana i ka paradigm o ulu waiwai a pau ʻole. Akā ʻo nā nīnau e pili ana, ma kekahi ʻaoʻao i ka wā e hiki mai ana o ka hana, a ma ka ʻaoʻao ʻē aʻe e hoʻoponopono ai i ka pilikia aniau, ʻaʻole kaʻawale kekahi mai kekahi. Loaʻa nā ʻano hana a me nā ʻano hana i hiki ke kau ʻia ma ka lawelawe o ka hoʻihoʻi ʻana i ke kaiapuni a me ka mālama kaiāulu. Inā hiki, makemake au e ʻimi ma o ka papahana Maintainers i ke ʻano o kahi papahana i hoʻokumu ʻia i ka hana a me ka poʻe hana no ka ulu ʻana o ka hoʻokele waiwai.
I kēia manawa, ʻike wau e kiola nui ʻia ka huaʻōlelo "de-growth", a hiki ke manaʻo i nā mea like ʻole i nā poʻe like ʻole. No kekahi, he huaʻōlelo haumia ia e hōʻailona ana i ke ʻano o ka austerity i hoʻopaʻa ʻia e unuhi i nā poho nui o nā hana a me ke kūpaʻa hoʻokele waiwai no ka poʻe hana i ka wā e heihei ana nā hui e hōʻoki i ka hana hoʻokele waiwai e pale aku i nā hopena maikaʻi loa o ka hoʻololi ʻana i ke aniau. No nā poʻe ʻē aʻe, ʻo ka de-growth ke ʻano o ka hōʻemi ʻana i nā hana ma nā ʻoihana hoʻopau ʻino loa e like me ka aila a me ke kinoea ʻoiai ke ʻimi nei i ka ulu ʻana o ka hana ma nā wahi ʻē aʻe e like me ke kūkulu ʻana i nā ʻōnaehana ʻōmaʻomaʻo, nā hana hoʻomaʻemaʻe kaiapuni, ka mahiʻai hoʻomau, a pēlā aku. Akā ʻo ka mea aʻu i ʻike ai i ka huhū nui e pili ana i ka nui o kēia mau kūkākūkā, ʻo ia, e like me ka mea maʻamau, ʻaʻole ʻoe e lohe i ka mea a ka poʻe hana ma ka ʻāina e ʻōlelo ai no lākou iho.
A ʻo ia ke kumu i hauʻoli nui ai au i ka loaʻa ʻana o ka manawa e kamaʻilio ai i kā mākou poʻe malihini i kēia lā no kēia nīnauele e pili ana i ke ʻano o ka hoʻololi ʻana o ka limahana i kahi ʻoihana hoʻokele kaiaola. A makemake wale wau e hoʻomaikaʻi i kaʻu mau malihini kipa no ka hoʻokaʻawale ʻana i ka manawa e kamaʻilio pū me aʻu e pili ana i kēia, a no nā hana nui a lākou e hana nei.
ʻO ka mea mua ma luna o ka panel, loaʻa iā mākou ka Megan Milliken Biven. I kēia manawa, ua hana ʻo Megan i ke aupuni pekelala ma ke Keʻena Kalaiaina ʻOihana o Ocean Energy Management. Ma mua, e like me kāna i ʻōlelo ai, hele ʻo ia i rogue a hoʻokumu i ka hui ʻo True Transition, kahi e hele ai nā mea a pau e nānā. Ua hoʻokomo mākou i nā loulou i nā memo hōʻike. Ke nānā pono nei ʻo True Transition i ka kamaʻilio pololei ʻana i nā limahana aila a me nā kinoea ma ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa e pili ana i kā lākou kūlana hana, ko lākou aʻo ʻana a me nā pono uku, ko lākou manaolana no nā ʻoihana o ka lā ʻapōpō, a ke hana nei lākou e kōkua i ka hoʻokumu ʻana i ke ʻano o nā hana uku maikaʻi a loaʻa i nā limahana ʻano hoʻomaʻamaʻa pono lākou e hoʻololi i kahi ikehu hoʻomau e hiki mai ana.
ʻO James Hiatt kekahi i hui pū me ka papa, ʻo ia ka mea hana ʻaila hinu, kahi loiloi lab, a me ka mea hana no kekahi mau makahiki. I kēia manawa, hana pū ʻo James me ka Louisiana Bucket Brigade e hoʻolaha i nā ʻano ʻano hoʻokele waiwai ʻē aʻe ma Louisiana ma waho o ka paʻa o ka ʻoihana wahie fossil.
A ʻo ka mea hope akā ʻaʻole ka mea liʻiliʻi loa, ua kamaʻilio mākou me Clarke, he hoaaloha lōʻihi a aloha o ka hōʻike, a mākou i loaʻa ai ma mua, a he kanaka luʻu kalepa ʻoihana i hana mua i ka hana ʻaelike no nā hui aila a me ke kinoea. ʻO ke Kaiwa o Mekiko no nā makahiki he 15, akā ke hana nei i kēia manawa e hoʻololi i nā ʻano hana ʻē aʻe ma ke ʻano he luʻu kalepa. ʻO kā lākou moʻolelo kēia.
ʻAe, aloha, e nā mea a pau, i kahi nīnauele hou no ka Maintainers Fellowship. ʻO Maximilian Alvarez kēia, kekahi o ka 2022 Maintainers Fellows, a ke hoʻomau nei mākou i kā mākou noiʻi hui ʻana i ka nīnau o ka de-growth. He aha ka manaʻo? He aha ke ʻano o ia? A pehea ke koʻikoʻi o ka hoʻopakele ʻana i ka honua a me ka hoʻokele waiwai a me ka lehulehu? No laila, ua loaʻa iā mākou kekahi mau nīnauele maikaʻi loa aʻu i hoʻopaʻa ai a hiki i kēia manawa no kēia pūʻulu, a hauʻoli nui wau no ka kūkākūkā o kēia lā kahi e nānā ai mākou i ka mea a ka limahana i manaʻo ai, e hoʻololi wale i ʻoi aku ka maikaʻi o ka hoʻokele waiwai, a me ke ʻano o ka hoʻonohonoho hoʻokele waiwai o kēia manawa e alakaʻi nei iā mākou i ka piʻi ʻana o ke anuanu a me ka like ʻole a pēlā aku a pēlā aku, pehea ke ʻano o ka poʻe hana e mālama nei i kā mākou ʻoihana a mālama i ka holo o ke kalepa. . No laila me ka ʻole o ka liʻiliʻi, e hele a puni ka papaʻaina a hoʻolauna i kā mākou mau malihini kupaianaha ma ka hoʻolauna ʻana iā lākou iho. No laila, e Megan, no ke aha mākou e hoʻomaka ai me ʻoe?
Megan Milliken …: Aloha ʻoukou. ʻO Megan Milliken Biven koʻu inoa. ʻO Backstory kaʻu ma mua he bureaucrat no ke aupuni pekelala no ke Keʻena Kalaiaina's Bureau of Ocean Energy Management. Ua hele au i ka hewa mai ia manawa mai, a ua hoʻokumu au i kaʻu hui ponoʻī i kapa ʻia ʻo True Transition, e kālele ana i ka hana ʻana i nā hana a nā limahana e hoʻololi ai i loko, a me ka hōʻoia pū ʻana i ka palekana a ʻoi aku ka maikaʻi o ka hana a me ka hana no nā limahana e hōʻoiaʻiʻo nei i kēlā. hiki i ko kakou mau kukui ke aa, i hiki i ko kakou mau kaa ke holo, a me ka maikai o ko kakou ola ana.
James Hiatt: ʻAe. ʻO wau ʻo James Hiatt. Aia wau ma Southwest Louisiana kahi i hana ai koʻu makuakāne i ka hana hoʻomaʻemaʻe. He kanaka hana hoʻomaʻemaʻe au, ka loiloi lab, a me ka mea hoʻohana, a i kēia manawa ʻo kaʻu kuleana me ka Louisiana Bucket Brigade e hoʻāʻo e hoʻoikaika i ka hoʻomohala ʻana i ka hoʻokele waiwai ʻē aʻe ma Louisiana ma mua o ka pālua ʻana i kēia ʻoihana wahie fossil i paʻa i ko mākou mokuʻāina. maoli ka honua. Hauʻoli loa ka noho pū ʻana me ʻoukou a pau i kēia lā.
Clarke: Aloha, ʻo Clarke koʻu inoa. He luʻu pāʻoihana 15 makahiki aʻe au i hana ma ke Kaiwa o Mekiko, no ka ʻaila a me ke kinoea. I ka waena o ka hoʻololi ʻana, neʻe i koʻu ʻohana i Florida e pakele ai i ka ʻaila ʻaila a loaʻa kahi hana palekana, ʻoi aku ka luʻu ʻana, ʻo ia ka ʻoihana e pili ana i ka hapa nui o nā mea kanu a me nā mea i kēia manawa… A ʻo ia nō. Ua ʻike au i ka piʻi ʻana o ka mākeke i ʻelua mau manawa i koʻu mau makahiki 15, a ʻo ka ʻelima hope loa he hakakā maoli no ka ʻohana, a ʻo ia ke kumu e hoʻoholo ai mākou e huki i ka plug a puka maikaʻi. A ke hana maikaʻi nei kaʻu mau hoa a pau i kēia manawa, akā i loko o ʻelima mau makahiki, ʻaʻole hiki iā ʻoe. He ʻino loa ia, a hiki i ka luʻu ʻana, ʻaʻohe mea no mākou. He mea ʻoluʻolu loa o kahi hana e mālama iā lākou e pili ana i ka hāʻawi ʻana iā ʻoe i nā pōmaikaʻi. ʻO wau kēlā.
Maximillian Alv…: Whew. ʻAe, no laila e ʻeli kākou i kēia. No laila, ma mua o kā mākou kamaʻilio hou ʻana e pili ana i ka hana a ʻoukou e hana nei i kēia manawa a loaʻa i nā manaʻo o kēlā me kēia kanaka i ke kahakaha ʻana i ke ala e hele ai i kahi honua ʻoi aku ka hoʻokele waiwai a me ke kaiapuni, a pehea ke ʻano o ka poʻe hana e like me ʻoukou, e ʻike hou aku kākou. e pili ana iā ʻoukou ʻekolu a pehea ʻoe i hana ai i kēlā hana a me ka nānā ʻana i kēlā mau nīnau. No laila, e hoʻi au a puni ka papaʻaina, a, e Megan, ʻoiai ʻoluʻolu ʻoe e kamaʻilio nei e pili ana i kou ola ma ke ʻano he bureaucrat a me ke ala i alakaʻi ai iā ʻoe e hele hewa, hiki iā ʻoe ke haʻi hou aku iā mākou e pili ana i kāu moʻolelo hope a me ka hana āu. hana i kēia manawa?
Megan Milliken …: No laila, ʻo kaʻu moʻolelo hope ʻo kaʻu kāne he mea hana kola keʻokeʻo no ka ʻoihana. He kanaka kālai moku a he ʻenekinia moana. Ua hoʻokomo ʻo ia i nā rigs, kūkulu ʻo ia i nā OSV, hana ma nā hale moku, hana ma nā wahi like ʻole ma Louisiana, a ua hōʻea ʻo ia i kona kiʻekiʻe. Ua luhi mākou i ka ʻike ʻole ʻana iā ia, a ua hana nui ʻo ia e like me nā poʻe ʻē aʻe ma luna o ka pā. ʻO koʻu manaʻo, inā ʻaʻole ʻoe he haku, ua hana nui nā mea a pau. ʻAʻole lawa lākou, a pono ʻo ia e hoʻomaha. A ua hoʻololi ʻo ia i ka ʻenehana olakino maʻi diabetes, no ka mea, he maʻi maʻi ʻo ia, a ke hana nei ʻo ia i nā mea ʻepekema data ma ka ʻaoʻao a hoʻoholo, ʻike ʻoe he aha? Makemake au e hana i kēia manawa piha, a no laila ua hoʻololi ʻo ia i nā māla, a ʻo ia ka mea i lawe mai iā mākou ma ʻaneʻi.
Akā, ma muli o koʻu pili ʻana iā ia a me nā poʻe ʻē aʻe ma nā pā a me ka ʻoihana, hoʻokahi mea i ʻike nui ʻia iaʻu e hana ana ma ke aupuni federal, ʻaʻole lawa ka nānā ʻana i ka poʻe hana maoli. He helu wale nō lākou ma ka ʻaoʻao. Nui ka mahalo i nā ʻoihana. E like me BESSI, ko mākou kaikuahine ʻoihana, ʻoiai he hoʻolālā palekana ka hui i loaʻa iā lākou, ʻo ia nō. ʻAʻohe hōʻoia maoli. ʻAʻole nui ka mākaʻikaʻi e hōʻoiaʻiʻo ana i ka loaʻa ʻana o nā limahana maʻamau i ko lākou pono, a he nīnau ia e hoʻomau mau nei iaʻu a hiki i ka wā i lilo ai ia i mea nānā.
A ʻo ka nui aʻe o kaʻu kamaʻilio ʻana me nā kānaka i kēlā me kēia lā, ʻoi aku ka nui o koʻu ʻike ʻana i nā poʻe maʻamau e hana ana i ka ʻoihana, ʻoi aku ka nui o ka ulu ʻana o ka manaʻo, a me ka ʻike ʻana ua lawe ʻia ka iwi kuamoʻo o ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa, a he mea ia i koʻu manaʻo he ʻAʻole makemake ka nui o nā limahana e ʻae a hoʻopaʻapaʻa ʻia ʻo ia ka mea i hoʻohana pono ʻia. Hoʻokaumaha ʻia lākou. A ʻaʻole lākou makemake i kēlā, no ka mea, he mea ʻino. A no laila ke manaʻo nei au he nui nā hana hoihoi, hoihoi, piha i mua. ʻAʻole au makemake e monopolize, no laila i ke keonimana e hiki mai ana.
Maximillian Alv…: ʻAʻole, maikaʻi kēlā. A ke manaʻo nei au e hoʻolilo i kēlā manaʻo i mea ʻoi aku ka maikaʻi, ke kamaʻilio nei mākou ma mua o 24 mau hola mai ka pani ʻana o ke kaʻaahi aupuni mua o ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa mai ka makahiki 90. ʻAʻole mākou e hele i hope ma laila, akā ua hōʻike wau i kēia no The Real News and Working People, a holo a puni e like me ka moa me koʻu poʻo ʻoki e hoʻāʻo e hōʻike i nā mea e hana nei. Akā i kou manaʻo, e Megan, ua ʻike koke nā mea a pau i kēia pule, "ʻAe, shit. Ke hilinaʻi nei kā mākou kaulahao hoʻolako i ka poʻe hana ʻiʻo a me ke koko e holo nei i kēia mau alahao a me nā kumu nui ʻē aʻe o nā ʻōnaehana aupuni, a pēlā aku a pēlā aku, a ke holo nei lākou i ka lepo. ʻAʻole hiki iā lākou ke kū pololei. ʻAʻole lākou e ʻike i ko lākou ʻohana. ʻAʻole loaʻa iā lākou ka uku hoʻomaha maʻi, a ua mākaukau lākou e hoʻopaʻa i kēlā, "a ua hoʻomaopopo koke i nā mea āpau i ka hilinaʻi ʻana o kā mākou ʻoihana holoʻokoʻa i kēia poʻe e hana nei i kā lākou mau hana.
No laila, pono paha kākou e mālama pono i ko lākou kūlana hana a me ka pōʻino a lākou e noho nei, a pēlā aku. No laila, makemake wale e hoʻokūpaʻa i kēlā wahi. ʻAe, e James, e kiola kāua iā ʻoe. E haʻi hou mai iā mākou e pili ana iā ʻoe iho, kāu moʻolelo hope, a me ke ʻano o ka hana āu e hana nei.
James Hiatt: ʻAe. Mahalo nui loa. ʻAe, ʻo koʻu makuakāne he mea hana hoʻoheheʻe a he mea loiloi lab e ulu ana, a manaʻo mau wau ʻaʻole wau e komo i kēlā kahua. Ua neʻe mākou, neʻe i New York City. Ua loaʻa kaʻu keiki kāne, a ua hoʻi mākou i ka home i Lake Charles ma ʻaneʻi, a ʻo nā manawa kūpono no ka hana, ʻaʻohe oʻu kēkelē koleke, pili i ka ʻoihana. Hiki iā ʻoe ke hana no ka mea kanu. Hiki paha iā ʻoe ke ʻaelike no ka mea kanu. Inā makemake ʻoe e loaʻa kahi hana i uku nui ʻia ʻaʻole pono ʻoe i ʻelua mau hana, ʻaʻole i loaʻa nā manawa ma laila koe wale nō i loko o ka hoʻomaʻemaʻe ʻana, no laila ua hoʻopau wau i ka hana ʻaelike no kekahi mau makahiki e hana ana i nā pahu, hoʻopaʻa ʻia. nā moku a me nā moku, a laila e hana ana i loko o ka mahiʻai pahu i ka piʻi ʻana i kēia mau pahu, a i ka hopena ua hoʻomaka wau i ka hoʻomaʻemaʻe.
A no iaʻu, ʻo ka mea kupanaha loa, i ka wā e piʻi mai ana koʻu makuakāne, hana lākou i ʻewalu mau hola, a no ka mea he kuleana ʻo Louisiana e hana i ka mokuʻāina, ua hoʻopau mālie ʻia, ua hoʻopau mālie ʻia ka mana o ka uniona. kahi i hoʻoholo ai lākou e hoʻololi i nā hoʻololi, a no laila ke hana nei mākou i nā hoʻololi hola 12, e hiki ai i ka hui ke hoʻolimalima i nā poʻe liʻiliʻi, no ka mea, pono ʻoe i ʻelua mau kānaka i kēlā me kēia lā ma mua o ʻekolu, a no laila hiki i ka poʻe hana, nā koina hana. e iho i lalo, no ka mea, ʻaʻole pono ʻoe i nā mea he nui. A ʻike wau i ka hana ʻana i nā manawa he nui ʻaʻole lawa ka poʻe e uhi. E kāhea kekahi i ka maʻi a i ʻole nā lā hoʻomaha, a ua hoʻokō lākou i kekahi mau kulekele luhi, i hiki iā ʻoe ke hana i nā lā 13 wale nō, a laila koi lākou iā ʻoe e hoʻomaha i kahi lā, koe wale nō inā ʻo ia kāu hoʻololi mau.
No laila, aia kekahi manawa ma laila au i hana ai i 22 lā pololei, 12 hola, a ʻo kekahi o lākou he 18 hola mākou e paʻa ai. No laila, ʻo ke ala wale nō e loaʻa ai ka wahie no nā kaʻa no ka mea aia kekahi limahana e hana nei i kēia kaʻina hana a e hoʻopau i ka wahie iā ʻAmelika, a no laila ʻo kēia mau limahana, manaʻo wau ʻaʻole makemake kekahi i ka hui ʻaila e like me kā lākou makemake i kahi hana uku maikaʻi e kākoʻo ai i ko lākou ʻohana. , a ʻo ka manaʻo ʻo ke ala wale nō e hiki ai iā mākou ke loaʻa ia mea ma ka ʻili ʻana a me ka hoʻomaʻemaʻe ʻana i ka aila a i ʻole ke kinoea he mea ʻakaʻaka wale nō ia, ʻoiai inā ʻo ke kumukūʻai o kēia mau ʻoihana i ko mākou kaiapuni, i ko mākou olakino, a me ka palekana o kēia mau limahana. ke kumukuai. Hoʻokahi mea, aia maoli kekahi mau hoʻomaikaʻi palekana i nā makahiki i loko o kēia mau māla aila, akā ʻo ka ʻoiaʻiʻo o ka mea ua hoʻonohonoho lākou i kēia mau papahana kahi i loaʻa kahi kulekele palekana, a no laila ka poʻe ma luna, ka Luna Nui a me nā luna hoʻomalu, ʻaʻole maopopo iaʻu ua manaʻoʻiʻo maoli lākou, akā manaʻo lākou e hana ʻia ana ka hana e like me ke kulekele.
A hiki ʻoe i nā luna waena, maopopo iā lākou, ʻaʻole hiki iā mākou ke hana pēlā. Pono mākou e hoʻokō. A laila ka poʻe hana ma ka honua, ua kānalua ka moʻomeheu palekana. He ʻano moʻomeheu wale nō ia, a ke ʻike nei mākou i nā manawa he nui ka poʻe e hōʻeha ʻia, a laila hoʻopiʻi ʻia lākou no ia mea. Na ka limahana ka mea i ʻeha a ʻaʻole ka moʻomeheu a i ʻole ka nele o ka hoʻokō maoli ʻana i kahi kulekele hiki ke hana. I kekahi manawa ua loaʻa iā mākou kahi kulekele a i ʻole kaʻina hana e hana ai i kahi mea hiki ʻole ke hahai i ke kaʻina hana a hana, akā ua lōʻihi ia ala, a ke hoʻokō nei ka hana no ka mea e piʻi kekahi i luna o ka paipu. e wehe a wehe i ka pahu ma kahi ʻano palekana ʻole, akā paʻa maoli kēia ʻano mea. He nui koʻu mau hoaaloha, a ʻaʻohe oʻu manaʻo kūʻē iā lākou no ka hoʻāʻo ʻana e hānai i ko lākou ʻohana a hauʻoli i ke ola.
No laila, hana ka poʻe i kēia mau hana no ka loaʻa ʻole o nā manawa ʻē aʻe, a ʻo ia ka mea i hāpai ʻia ma ke ʻano he hana uku maikaʻi loa no ka mea hiki iā ʻoe ke hana ma ʻaneʻi a noho kūloko, a maikaʻi ka manawa hoʻomaha āu e loaʻa ai, a nani ka uku. maikaʻi loa. ʻAʻole ʻoe e ʻike i kēlā ma kahi ʻē aʻe, akā i ka manawa like, ʻo ka ʻaoʻao ʻē aʻe o ia mea ua paʻa mākou. Paʻa mākou i kēia ʻōnaehana kahi a mākou e manaʻo ai ʻo ia wale nō ke ala. Pono mākou e waiho wale me ka lapalapa, a me nā kahe, a me nā mea make i hoʻokuʻu wale ʻia i ka lewa, no ka mea, ʻo ia ke ʻano, a ʻo ka ʻoiaʻiʻo ʻaʻole pono ia pēlā, a ʻo ia nō. pepehi maoli iā mākou a pepehi i ka honua. No laila pono mākou e neʻe i ke ʻano o ka noho ʻana a me ke ʻano he mea ʻole a hoʻohana i nā limahana a me nā ola o nā kānaka.
Maximillian Alv…: ʻAe, e ke kanaka. ʻAʻole hiki iā ʻoe ke hoʻomaikaʻi iaʻu iho, a no ka ʻano wikiwiki o ka hahai ʻana i kēlā, no ka poʻe makemake iaʻu iho ʻike i ka jack shit e pili ana i ka hana ʻana ma ka hale hana hoʻomaʻemaʻe, i kēlā me kēia lā, he aha ke ʻano o ia ʻano. nāu?
James Hiatt: ʻAe, ma ke ʻano he mea hoʻohana, ʻōlelo wau, pono ʻoe e hoʻokomo i ka mea hoʻokomo, no laila ʻo ia ka ʻaila, a laila pono e hoʻolapalapa ʻia. Basically, hoʻolapalapa mākou i ka ʻaila, a māhele ʻia i nā ʻāpana like ʻole. Loaʻa iā ʻoe ka diesel, a me ka jet, a me ka ʻaila i hiki ke hana ʻia mai ia mea. A no laila, ʻo kēia mau hale kiaʻi nui, kēia mau hale kiaʻi distillation he wela kiʻekiʻe, piʻi kiʻekiʻe, a pēlā ʻoe e wāwahi ai i nā ʻāpana o kēia ʻaila, a laila e hoʻokomo ʻia i loko o kēia… ʻO ka hale hoʻomaʻemaʻe aʻu i hana ai ma kahi o 420,000 barela i ka lā hoʻoponopono. No laila, mālama ʻia ka ʻaila i loko o 100,000 pahu pahu, he 60 kapuaʻi ke kiʻekiʻe, nui, hana ʻia i loko o kēia mau hale kiaʻi kiʻekiʻe he haneli kapuaʻi, a laila hoʻokomo pū ʻia ka huahana hope i loko o kahi pahu. A no laila, i mea e ana ai i ka nui o ka huahana i loko o ka pahu, pono e pi'i kino kekahi kanaka ma luna o ka pahu a ho'opa'a i ka lula a i 'ole ka lipine ana i loko o ka huahana e ana i ke 'ano o ka pae, no laila hiki iā 'oe ke helu i ka nui o nā barela. aia i loko o ka pahu.
No laila, ʻo ia kahi o kaʻu hana i hana ai ʻo ka piʻi ʻana i kēia mau pahu. Aia ka hapa nui o nā mea hoʻohuihui e like me ka ʻaila ma luna o ka hale lana, no laila ʻaʻole ia e like me ka hale paʻa. ʻO ka pahu, ke lana maoli nei ka hale ma luna o ka huahana, no laila, inā nele ka pahu, aia nō ma kahi o ʻehiku kapuaʻi o ka huahana i loko, a pono ʻoe e piʻi i lalo. Pono ʻoe e piʻi i luna i ka pahu 40 kapuaʻi, a laila piʻi ʻoe i lalo i 30 kapuaʻi i loko o kēia lua, no laila hiki iā ʻoe ke ana, a hoʻāʻo paha, a i ʻole, a no laila ʻo ia kahi ʻāpana. A laila e laina ana ka ʻaoʻao ʻē aʻe, nā kiwi nui e hoʻouna i kēia huahana i kahi e pono ai ke hele. No laila, ʻo ia ka mea nui o ka hana ke ʻike ʻia nei ʻoe i kēia mau mea kemika, no ka mea he puka hāmama kāu, a aia ʻoe i kahi wahi paʻa, ʻo ia hoʻi kahi ʻāpana o ka papahana.
ʻO ia kahi o ke kaʻina hana. 'Ōlelo ke kaʻina hana e piʻi ana ʻoe i ka pahu. Oe e lawe mai ana i ka pahū mika me oe, no laila, ina he haʻahaʻa pahū pae, ina i nui loa gasoline i loko o ka lewa, e hiki ia oe ke haalele, aka, o ka oiaio o ia mea, ua pii mua oe. E hoʻokō ʻoe i ka hana, a malia paha he moʻomeheu palekana ia aʻu i komo ai, akā maopopo iaʻu ʻaʻole ia he mea kū hoʻokahi. A laila, hoʻokuʻu ʻia ia ma nā wahi a pau, i nā paipu e holo ana ma ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa, i nā moku i lawe ʻia i nā awa ʻē aʻe ma ʻAmelika, a i ʻole i nā moku i nā manawa he nui e holo i nā ʻāina ʻē a i Florida paha. ʻAʻole loaʻa i Florida kahi paipu, no laila, hele mai kā lākou ʻaila, jet, diesel mai nā hale hoʻoheheʻe ʻē aʻe o Gulf Coast ma nā moku ʻAmelika me nā luina ʻAmelika e lawe ana iā ia i Florida. Manaʻolana ʻo ia kahi mea hoʻomaka liʻiliʻi i nā mea e hana nei ma kahi hoʻomaʻemaʻe.
Maximillian Alv…: ʻAe, e ke kanaka, maikaʻi kēlā, a ke pani nei au i koʻu ʻāwae i ka hoʻolohe ʻana i kēia mau mea a pau. ʻAe, loaʻa iaʻu nā manaʻo he nui, akā ʻo wau wale nō, eia hou, ke ʻano o ka hoʻohālikelike ʻana i ka ʻoiaʻiʻo i ʻike ʻia e nā poʻe e like me ʻoe ma kahi pae pili, a ʻo ka hapa nui o mākou, hiki iā mākou ke waiho wale i kēia mai ka ʻike. noʻonoʻo, pololei? A aia kekahi ʻaoʻao kūʻai o kēia, no ka mea, makemake nā mea a pau i nā kumukūʻai haʻahaʻa. ʻO ia wale nō ka mea a mākou e manaʻo ai ke holo mākou i ka hale hoʻokele kinoea. ʻAʻole mākou e noʻonoʻo e pili ana i nā limahana e hoʻokomo mau ʻia ma Hazard e lawe i kēlā huahana i ka mākeke, a pēlā aku. A [inaudible 00:28:06] me he mea lā he segue maikaʻi loa ia i kāu moʻolelo hope a me kāu mea e hana ai, ʻo ia hoʻi kahi mea a ka poʻe e noʻonoʻo ʻole ai, akā inā ʻaʻole nā poʻe e like me ʻoe, ʻaʻole mākou e loaʻa i nā mea he nui. a makou e hilinai nei. No laila e kamaʻilio mākou e pili ana iā ʻoe, kāu moʻolelo hope a me ke ʻano o kāu hana.
Clarke: ʻAe, mahalo, Max. Ua paʻi ʻo James. Ua hana wau no kekahi mau hui like ʻole, a he poʻe ʻaelike mākou no nā hui ʻaila nui, kahi āu e hele ai e kūʻai i kāu kinoea mai, a ʻo ka mea nui, ʻo kā mākou wahi kūʻai aku he moʻomeheu palekana a me nā papahana palekana a mākou e kūkulu ai. ʻO ka hapa nui o ka manawa, hahai mākou i kēlā mau lula a hana me ka palekana, akā he hana pōʻino kēia a mākou e hana nei, no laila e pale wale iā ʻoe i kēia manawa. ʻO ka mākaukau, manaʻo wau ʻo ia ka mea nui, a laila… ʻAe, kani kaʻu kelepona, kala mai. Ke aʻo ʻana i nā ʻōpio a me nā kaikamahine e hele mai ana i ke kula i nā hana a me nā hana ʻole, a, "E, e ʻōlelo lākou i kēia, akā e nānā i kāu hoki. ʻO kēia ka mea e hana nei i lalo."
A ma ke Kai Kūʻono, i kaʻu hana ʻana i ka aila a me ke kinoea, ʻo ia ka nui o ka hana pipeline, no laila ʻo ia ka hana like a nā kāne e hana ai ma ka ʻāina koe wale nō mākou e hana i lalo o ka wai, a aia ma ke Kaiwa o Mexico. ʻAʻole hiki iā ʻoe ke ʻike i kekahi mea. Pono ʻoe e aʻo i kēia mau mea āpau ma ka hoʻopā ʻana a me ka manaʻo, a e aʻo maoli e pili ana i nā valves, a pehea e hoʻopaʻa inoa ai iā lākou me kou mau lima wale nō a me nā mīkina lima i ka wā e hauʻoli ai ʻoe i lalo o ka wai. ʻAe, ʻo wau ke kanaka ma nā hālāwai palekana e ʻōhumu i kekahi mea e like me, "Safety third," no ka mea, ʻike wau e ʻōlelo lākou i nā mea, a ua like wau, "E ke kanaka, ʻaʻohe kanaka ma ʻaneʻi bro. ʻAʻole pono ʻoe e hoʻopaʻa i kou palekana. Ke pāʻani wale nei ʻoe i kā lākou makemake e pāʻani ai ʻoe, e ka hoa. ʻAʻole lākou manaʻo i kēlā. ʻO kā mākou hoʻolaha kēia no lākou, a hiki mākou i laila, a nānā i kā lākou mau pahu a pau e pono ai lākou, a laila mākou e hōʻoia i loaʻa iā mākou nā pahu pahu ʻelua e nānā pono ai. ʻIke ʻoe ʻo ia nō.
Akā, e hana i kahi hoʻoneʻe kahua kahi e lawe aku ai mākou i 600, 700 kapuaʻi paepae, nā ʻaila hinu ma waho, a na lākou e hoʻouna iā mākou i laila, a ua hana wau i 38 mau hola ma mua o ka pololei, ʻaʻole lākou he palekana. i kēlā, a ʻaʻole makemake nā poʻe ma luna o ka moku iā mākou i waho, no ka mea, ʻo kā lākou waʻa ia. Akā, aia mākou ma laila e hoʻopaʻa i kā lākou crane i ke kahua, a makemake lākou e ʻike i ke kumu o ka lōʻihi. He 250 kapuaʻi ma lalo o ka wai, e ke kanaka. He liʻiliʻi ka manawa e iho ai i laila a hoʻi hou i luna, a lana ka manaʻo e hele pololei nā mea a pau, ʻaʻole loa ia, no laila e liʻiliʻi iki, a lawe lākou i ʻelua mau ʻauwaʻa e hana i ka lā a me ka pō. , akā, ke kahe wale nei ke koko i loko ona iho. A ʻo ka mea aʻe āu e ʻike ai, maikaʻi, ua loaʻa iaʻu ʻekolu hola o ka hiamoe, akā ua hoʻāla mai ʻoukou iaʻu e hoʻi mai i waho e hana ai, no ka mea, pono ʻoe i nā lima ʻē aʻe no ka mea ua hele mai ʻo Murphy, a ʻaʻole i holo ka papahana i ke ala. ua manaʻo ʻo ia e hele ana ka papahana.
A no laila, lawe wale mākou i kēlā palekana, wāwahi, hoʻolei, hele ma hope o ka hoʻokō ʻana i ka hana, no ka mea ke hoʻokuke nei ka moku iā ʻoe. ʻAe, e like me kā James i ʻōlelo ai, ʻo kā mākou mau hola hana he 12 mau hola. Ke hana nei ʻoe ma luna o ka waʻa, a moku paha, a i ʻole he paepae paha, a inā ʻoe e hana ana pēlā, hana ʻoe i ʻelua ʻumikūmālua, e like me ka poʻe o ke ao a me ka pō, a ʻaʻole ʻino loa ia, akā aia ʻoe ma waho. no 30 mau lā a ʻoi aku paha. Ua hana au i nā lā he 160 ma mua, nānā maikaʻi, akā ua hoʻi hou mai i ka honua, a ua like ia me kahi wahi hou, ʻike wale i nā kumulāʻau a me nā mea nani loa. ʻO ka ʻike ʻana i nā kānaka, ʻo ka hele ʻana i ka hale kūʻai he mea hoihoi iaʻu.
Maximillian Alv…: ʻAe, a no ka hoʻonui ʻana i kēlā wahi, ʻeā? No ka poʻe e hoʻolohe mai nei i kēia, he kanaka luʻu kalepa ʻoe, no laila ke hoʻouna ʻia aku nei ʻoe i waena o ke kai ʻino, a ʻo kou wahi hana i lalo o ka wai i nā manawa he nui, a ua piha ʻoe i nā mea luʻu. Aia ʻoe i lalo, aia paha ʻoe ma lalo o ka wai, e hoʻomaʻemaʻe ana ʻoe i nā ʻōpala, akā aia ʻoe i waho no ka lōʻihi o ka manawa e pau ai ka hana, ʻaʻole ʻoe e hoʻi i ka home i kēlā me kēia pō e ʻike i kāu. ʻohana a me nā mea, pololei?
Clarke: Pololei. ʻOiaʻiʻo. Ke noho nei ʻoe me kou mau hoa hana, a ke lana nei ka manaʻo ʻaʻole lākou he poʻe palaka, a ʻo ka mea maʻamau, akā ma hope o ʻelua pule, lilo nā mea a pau i ʻano ʻino. Maikaʻi ka launa pū ʻana. Pono ʻoe e aʻo i ka launa pū ʻana i ka hana, akā pono, no laila e hoʻi mākou i ka home a malia paha e hoʻomaha ʻoe i hoʻokahi pule e noho ai me kou ʻohana ma hope o nā pule ʻelua ma waho, malia paha e lawe lākou i ke kaʻa holo moku i kahi uka ʻē aʻe, a e kau wale ʻoukou ma luna o ka moku ʻē aʻe, a hele i waho, a hana i kekahi hana ʻē aʻe me ka haki ʻole. ʻO kekahi kumu o koʻu haʻalele ʻana, a ke hana nei au i uka i kēia manawa, ʻo ia kaʻu e hoʻi ai i ka home i kaʻu wahine a me kaʻu keiki i kēlā me kēia lā, no ka mea, he keiki kā mākou ma kahi o ʻehā makahiki aku nei, a ua like wau, "ʻAʻole kēia. ia, kanaka. ʻAʻole hiki iā ʻoe ke lilo i makua kāne e hana ana i kēia.
A inā ʻoe e hana ana i ʻumikūmālua a hoʻi i ka home, he mea liʻiliʻi kēlā. Ua hele mai nei ka'u wahine e kipa, a loaa ka'u keiki, a malama ko'u mau makua i ke keiki, ka'u keiki, o Jude, a hele mai oia a noho no elua pule, a i na la ekolu i hala, ua like ia, "Bro. , ke hana nei ʻoe i nā lā 14 hola. Hiki iaʻu ke ʻike iā ʻoe no ʻelua hola, a huhū ʻoe i ka hana i ka manawa holoʻokoʻa, no laila ke manaʻo nei wau e hele wale ana mākou a hoʻi i ke koena o ka hoʻomaha hoʻi i Louisiana, a hoʻonoho i nā mea a pau, a neʻe i waho. maanei," akā, he manaʻo maikaʻi kēia, i kēlā me kēia manawa ua paʻa loa ka papa hana hana, a ua komo pono ʻo ia i loko o ka pōʻino, akā he ʻono maikaʻi ia, a ua like ʻo ia, "ʻOi aku kēia. ” Pono mākou e hele e hana i kekahi mau paka leʻaleʻa Florida a me nā mea ʻē aʻe, loaʻa kahi manawa ʻohana liʻiliʻi, akā, ʻaʻole wau i ʻike, manaʻo wau e loaʻa iaʻu ka hana ma kēia ʻano ma mua o kaʻu e hana ai ma waho.
A laila ʻo ka manawa ʻē aʻe i kekahi manawa ʻaʻole ʻoe e hana no ʻekolu a ʻehā mau mahina, a he pilikia maoli kēlā. E ʻike maoli i kāu hoa pili, a ʻike wale ʻoe i ka pilikia kālā, no ka mea, ʻo ke ala e hele ai i kēia manawa makemake lākou e hoʻolimalima iā ʻoe ma ke ʻano he 1099, no laila nui nā pōmaikaʻi no ka hui. ʻAʻole nui nā pōmaikaʻi iā ʻoe. Hiki i kāu ʻauhau ke ʻano ʻoi aku ka maikaʻi ma lalo o kahi 1099, akā ʻaʻole nui. Ua ʻike au i ka piʻi ʻana a i lalo. Ua puka au i waho a hoʻomaka i kēia ʻoihana ma hope pono o Katrina, a ke kiola wale nei lākou i ke kālā iā mākou e hele e hoʻoponopono i ka moeʻuhane i hana ʻia e ka ʻino i waho o uka, a laila ʻike wau iā lākou e hoʻomaka mālie ana e pani i ka pahu a hoʻoheheʻe i ke koko o ka mīkini kālā. ke ano.
A laila ma kahi o '08 a i ʻole, ʻo ka mea kūʻai aku, ʻo ia ka aila, ua luʻu i ka ihu, no ka mea, manaʻo wau ua hoʻomaka maoli nā māla aila ʻāina e hoʻohua nui aku ma ʻAmelika, no laila, ma waho o ka ʻāina mākou e lawe i ka hopena nui, no ka mea, ʻo ia. nui loa ke kālā. Pono ʻoe e uku hou aku i nā kāne. Loaʻa iā ʻoe nā waʻa. No ka hoʻomaʻamaʻa wale ʻana, pono ia i ʻelua mau waʻa e hana ai, i kahi o ka ʻāina pono ʻoe i kahi kanaka i loko o ka semi-truck e hoʻoneʻe i kekahi mea nou. Makemake au i kēlā kanaka, a laila makemake au i kapena waʻa a me ka poʻe holo moku, a laila pono ʻoe i kahi pūʻulu o nā asshole luʻu e hele mai i laila, a lawe lākou i kāu kālā a pau. ʻAe, pololei, pololei, pololei, a ʻike wau.
No laila, i ka iho ʻana o kēlā mea kūʻai aku i ka waiwai, lawe mākou i kahi ʻoki uku 10%, a laila lawe hou mākou i 10% oki uku, a laila i loko o ʻelua makahiki, ua ʻoki ʻia mākou he 30%, a haʻalele wau, hele a hana i kahi. hana ʻāina no nā mahina ʻelua, a laila loaʻa iaʻu kahi hoaaloha i kāhea mai iaʻu a ua like ia, "E ke kanaka, loaʻa iaʻu kahi moku, a ke uku nei lākou i kēia." A ua like wau, "ʻAe ..." E like me kā James e ʻōlelo nei, ke hoʻāʻo nei wau e hoʻomaka i Louisiana, e kiʻi i kahi hana maʻamau, akā ke nānā nei au iā ia, a ua like wau, "E ka hoa, e hele ana wau. e loaʻa i ʻelua mau hana e hana ai i kēia hana no ka uku ʻana i kēia moraki, a hoʻopaʻa ʻia, e bro. E hele ana au ma keia moku. E hoʻi ana au i ka luʻu. Ua kāhea aku i kaʻu wahine a ʻōlelo aku, "E, ua loaʻa iaʻu kahi lā 45 lā. E nui ana ka waihona kālā, no laila ʻoluʻolu ʻoe me aʻu e haʻalele i ka lā ʻapōpō?" A ʻōlelo ʻo ia, "ʻAe, hele ʻoe. Pono mākou i kēlā kālā. "
A ʻo ka mea hoʻokahi wale nō ka hakakā mau me kēlā, a me ka hahai ʻana i kēlā haki, a laila haʻalele wau i ka hana ʻana no kahi ʻoihana nui, no ka mea, aia lākou a puni, a ke hana maikaʻi nei lākou, akā he nui nā mea ʻē aʻe. Ua ʻano hina nā hui luʻu. Loaʻa iā lākou nā mea ʻokoʻa ʻē aʻe e hana wale ana, e like me nā divers temp, ka mea e hoʻohauʻoli wale i koʻu manaʻo, akā maikaʻi ia no nā kāne makemake ʻole e hoʻokuʻu. Ua hoʻokuʻu wale au no ʻelima mau makahiki, a ua like ia me ka wā ʻaʻole au i ka hana, hoʻomaha wau me kaʻu wahine a me kaʻu keiki, a ke kelepona nei au i ka hoʻāʻo ʻana e laina i ka hana i loko o hoʻokahi pule, a me ka manaʻolana i ke Akua. ʻO nā mea a pau aʻu e laina ai, hele kēlā mau ʻaelike, no laila hiki i kaʻu ʻaelike ke hele. A laila ʻo Ianuali a i ʻole, ke alualu nei au i kēlā mau makahiki, a ʻaʻohe mea i hana no kekahi, a he hakakā maoli nō.
No laila, hele mai au i uka a hoʻomaka wau e hana no kahi ʻoihana i ʻoi aku ka hana mau a ʻo ka mea maʻamau e hana wale i ʻewalu hola i nā lā me ka nānā maikaʻi loa, akā hana ma nā mea kanu mana, a pono mākou e hana i kā lākou mau pamu a me nā mea, a ua loaʻa iā lākou. pio. E komo ana mākou i hoʻokahi i kēia pō, no laila, e hana wau i ʻelima pule o ʻehiku ʻumikūmālua o ka pule, akā he luna au i kēia manawa, no laila ua like koʻu 12 me 14, no ka mea, loaʻa iaʻu nā pepa ma mua, pepa. ma ke kua, a pono au e lawelawe i na kanaka a pau a e hoomaopopo i ka maikai o na kanaka a pau, a ua palekana na mea a pau, a holo ia mau mea a pau, a hana i na halawai, a maoli, makemake au e kau i ka mahiole ma ke poo, e puhi i na pua. , a huli wili, eia nae au. Ua lōʻihi koʻu hana ʻana i hiki iaʻu ke ʻike i ka wā e loaʻa ai nā pilikia o nā kāne, a me nā ʻano ʻokoʻa āu e ʻike ai, nā mea maikaʻi, nā mea ʻino, a hoʻoikaika i kēlā mau kāne e hana maikaʻi, e lawe mai i kahi moʻomeheu palekana.
Ua haʻi aku au i ka luna hoʻomalu palekana o kēia hui he mea hoʻohenehene kā lākou moʻomeheu palekana, a ʻaʻole au i ʻike maoli i ke ʻano o ʻolua… He aha kāu e hana nei? ʻAʻole au e ʻike i kahi kaikunāne. Makemake ʻoe e hele mai nā kāne i ke kula, a ʻo kaʻu hana ke aʻo iā lākou i ka moʻomeheu, akā pono paha e loaʻa iā lākou kahi manaʻo ma mua o ko lākou puka ʻana i laila i ka mea a mākou e manaʻo ai iā lākou, ʻaʻole ʻoe e hana mai iaʻu. No ke aha mai? Aia ʻoe ma ka māhele palekana. No ke aha wau e hana nei i kāu hana? Ma ʻaneʻi au e ʻapo i kāu ʻoihana a kūkulu i ke ʻano o ia mea, akā pono ʻoe e ninini i kekahi ʻano kumu mua ma mua o ka hiki iaʻu ke hoʻolilo iā ʻoe i skyscraper o kahi limahana. ʻAe, ʻo ke kolu palekana wale nō, a ʻaʻole maopopo iaʻu, ʻike wau i kahi hoʻololi i kahi e pono ai e hoʻololi kēia mau mea āpau.
Ke pepehi nei i kā mākou limahana. Loaʻa iā Louisiana kahi hana maikaʻi, e like me kā James i ʻōlelo ai, e hoʻomau wau i ka hahau ʻana i kēia. ʻO ke ala wale nō e loaʻa ai kahi hana maikaʻi ma Louisiana ʻo ka hana ʻana ma ka ʻaila ʻaila, a inā ʻaʻole ʻoe i loaʻa ke kēkelē koleke, ʻo ia ke ala, a inā loaʻa iā ʻoe ke kēkelē koleke, ʻo ia nō ke ala, a hoʻokahi ala a i ʻole. ʻo kekahi, ke hana nei ʻoe no ka māla aila. ʻOiai inā ʻoe e hana ana ma McDonald's, a i ʻole he barista ʻoe, e kākoʻo ʻoe i laila no kēlā, a ʻaʻohe mea e hāʻawi iā Louisiana i ka hōʻaiʻē e pono ai no kāna mea e hoʻolako ai no ka ʻāina, a ke kamaʻilio nā kānaka e pili ana, ' e like me, “ʻAe, no Louisiana ʻoe? Maikaʻi kēlā. Pehea ka noho ʻana me ka uila a me nā mea a pau?"
A like wau, "He ʻano ʻē kēlā, e ke kaikaina. No Texas ʻoe. Maikaʻi koʻu wahi e noho ai. ʻAʻole maopopo iaʻu no hea ʻoe. ʻaʻole maopopo iaʻu. Ke manaʻo nei kēlā me kēia ʻo New Orleans, a [inaudible 00:41:15] i ka manawa maikaʻi, akā ʻoiaʻiʻo he pūʻulu o nā poʻe maikaʻi ma waho me ka moʻomeheu, a loaʻa iā lākou kēia mau mea hoʻomaʻemaʻe e hoʻopuni ana iā lākou e pepehi nei iā lākou. Pono lākou e hana i loko o kēia mau hale hoʻomaʻemaʻe e hana i ka uku no ka uku ʻana i ko lākou mau hale, a make lākou. ʻAe. ʻAʻole maopopo iaʻu, akā aia kahi hoʻololi hana aʻu e manaʻoʻiʻo nei. Pono e lawe ʻia a hoʻoneʻe ʻia kēlā ʻano hana a pau, a e hala ana nā makahiki he mau makahiki e hoʻoponopono ai i nā mea āpau.
Pono e mālama ʻia kēlā mau paipu a pau i ke Kaiwa. Aia kahi ala i mua, a he mau hana maikaʻi ia, a he mau hana palekana, ʻoi aku ka palekana ma mua o ka mea i kēia manawa, no ka mea, ʻo ka hana ʻana, ʻo ia ka hana no ka luku, a ʻo ia kaʻu mea punahele i ka wā e hele ai au i ke kahua a e ʻohi i nā mea. i waho. Makemake lākou i nā mea i hana ʻia i kekahi manawa, akā maopopo nō hoʻi lākou ke hoʻokaʻawale nei ʻoe i kahi mea ʻaʻohe mea i hana i kahi hoʻolālā paʻa maoli, no laila hiki iā ia ke kiʻi wikiwiki maoli, a inā e kāhea mākou i ka pau ʻana ma luna, e pau lākou. kū, a hoʻolohe, a ʻike i nā mea e hana nei. ʻAe.
Maximillian Alv…: ʻAe, e kamaʻilio kāua no kēlā, no ka mea, ʻo kēia wale nō-
Clarke: [inaudible 00:42:23] kēlā iā ʻoe.
Maximillian Alv…: ʻAe. He kōkua nui kēia i kēia manawa, a eia hou, ʻo ka ʻaoʻao o kēia moʻolelo a mākou e lohe pinepine ai, ʻeā? Akā, ʻo ia ka mea e hōʻike ana i ka mea a ʻoukou e ʻōlelo nei, ʻeā? ʻO ke koʻikoʻi o ka loaʻa ʻana o kēia kūkākūkā, a ʻoi aku ka nui o nā poʻe e noʻonoʻo nei i ke ʻano o ka hoʻololi wale ʻana mai ka ʻoihana wahie fossil, e like me kāu i ʻōlelo ai, ʻaʻole wale ka pepehi ʻana i ka honua, akā ke pepehi nei i nā limahana i ke kaʻina hana, a me ke ʻano o ka hoʻololi pono. ma waho o ia mea, e nānā mau ana ka mālama a mālama i nā pono o ka poʻe hana, ka poʻe pono e mālama i ka hale ma luna o ko lākou mau poʻo, hoʻolako i ko lākou ʻohana, hoʻi i ka home me ka maluhia i kēlā me kēia pō, a pēlā aku. A manaʻo wau, ʻo wau, ʻike mākou i ka hoʻoikaika ʻana mai ka ʻaoʻao ʻoihana, ʻeā? ʻO koʻu manaʻo, e hoʻomau mau ana ka ʻoihana wahie mōʻalihaku i ke kumukūʻai o kēlā me kēia kālā i hiki ke loaʻa i waho o ka ʻoihana ponoʻī.
E hana ana ʻo ia i ka mea hiki ke loaʻa ke kālā e like me ka hiki, a ua hōʻiliʻili ʻo ia i ka mana nui e ʻae i ka ʻoihana e hoʻomau i ka hana. No laila, ʻike mākou i ka hoʻoikaika kālā no ke ʻano ʻole o ka neʻe ʻana mai ka ʻoihana wahie mōʻalihaku a ʻaʻohe mea i koe, akā e like me kā ʻolua i ʻōlelo ʻia ma ka ʻaoʻao hana, ma ka ʻaoʻao limahana, ma ka ʻaoʻao kumu, ke koi ʻia nei mākou e mālama i kēia. e hele ana ka ʻōnaehana no ko mākou ola, ʻeā? ʻAʻole ʻo ka ʻoihana wahie fossil wale nō, akā ʻo kēia ka helu ʻana i hana ʻia. Ma Louisiana, e like me kāu e ʻōlelo pololei ai, ma kekahi ʻaoʻao āu e hana nei no nā māla aila, a i ʻole ke hana nei ʻoe no ka ʻoihana aila, a i ʻole ke kākoʻo nei ʻoe i ke ʻano o nā ʻoihana a puni e kākoʻo ana i ka ʻoihana ʻaila. .
Ma Alabama, ʻo ka ʻoihana ʻoihana koa kahi e puka mai ai ka hui maikaʻi, nā hana kola polū, a no laila ʻaʻole i like ka hewa o ka limahana i kēia mau ʻoihana, akā inā ʻo ia kahi e loaʻa mai ai ka uku, a pēlā ke ʻano o ka poʻe. e hoolako ai i ko lakou mau ohana, heaha hou ka lakou e hana ai? No laila ma West Virginia i ka lanahu, me he mea lā ma hea kahi e hele ai nā kānaka e hoʻolako iā lākou iho, a pēlā aku? No laila-
Megan Milliken …: ʻAe, hiki iaʻu ke ʻōlelo i hoʻokahi mea… Hiki iaʻu ke hoʻomaka i ka pane? No ka mea makemake wau e hoʻokūkū i kahi manaʻo ʻo nā hana wale nō ma Louisiana he ʻaila a me nā hana kinoea. ʻAʻole wau i ʻae, akā ke kuhikuhi wale nei au ma ke ʻano he mea hana, ʻo ka ʻoihana ʻaila a me ka ʻenehana… Inā makemake ʻoe i nā hana maikaʻi, pono ʻoe e hoʻomau iā mākou. " ʻO ia ka ʻaelike Faustian, ʻo Stockholm syndrome, akā i ka wā e kamaʻilio ai lākou i nā mea kuleana, i ka wā e kamaʻilio ai lākou i kā lākou luna kiʻekiʻe, ʻo ia, "Pehea mākou e hana ai i kēia lean? Pehea mākou e ʻoki ai i nā limahana?" No ka mea, ʻo nā mea a pau a kēia mau keonimana e wehewehe nei, ʻo ia ke kumu o ka liʻiliʻi o nā limahana e hana i ka hana, no ka mea, ʻo ko lāua manaʻo, ʻo ia kā lāua papahana.
A ua ʻike ʻoe i nā makahiki he 15 i hala aku nei me ka ikaika loa ma ka upstream a me ka lalo, kahi ʻo Louisiana, e like me kaʻu i ʻōlelo ai ma mua o ko mākou ʻoki ʻana, ʻo 2% wale nō, 3% o ka nui o ka hana mai ka ʻoihana aila a me ke kinoea. He helu liʻiliʻi loa kēlā i hoʻohālikelike ʻia i ka hana maoli, akā ʻo nā hana I ka makahiki 2005, 2006, ua hoʻomaka mākou e hele i uka, 2008, a ʻaʻole hiki i ko waho ke hoʻokūkū, akā ʻo ka hana ma waho o ka ʻāina ʻaneʻane pālua i kēlā manawa, akā. ua hāʻule ka hana ʻeli a me ka ʻimi ʻana e 67% no Louisiana. No laila ua hiki iā lākou ke unuhi hou aku me ka liʻiliʻi. Ua hiki iā lākou ke wili hou i nā luawai me nā liʻiliʻi liʻiliʻi, nā moku liʻiliʻi, a me nā kānaka liʻiliʻi, a e hoʻomau lākou i ka hana ʻino.
Ke nānā nei ʻoe me nā laka ma Beaumont a me nā hana hoʻomaʻemaʻe i hana ʻia i kēia manawa, ua hiki iā lākou ke hoʻomau i kēia mau mea kanu me ka nui o kā lākou limahana i laka ʻia ma 70% hiki, a he ʻano ia a lākou e hana nei mai ka wā mai. ka makahiki 1950. ʻAʻole makemake kēia ʻoihana e hoʻolimalima i nā kānaka, a pili pū me ia, pālua me ia. ʻAʻole ia e hoʻohana i nā kānaka. ʻO kā lākou papahana ka emi ʻana o nā kānaka. A noʻu, hoʻomaka ka hoʻololi me ka hoʻopiʻi mua ʻana i kēlā manaʻo, ʻaʻole ʻae loa me ka manaʻo he poʻe hana koʻikoʻi kēia, a ʻo ka hoʻomau ʻana i ka ʻaila a me ke kinoea, a i ʻole ka hoʻomaʻemaʻe ʻana, a hoʻokumu i kā mākou ʻōnaehana ikehu holoʻokoʻa, ka lawe ʻana, a me ka hoʻokele waiwai. ma luna o kēia mau huahana e hoʻokumu i ka hana koʻikoʻi lōʻihi e kākoʻo i ko mākou kaiāulu. ʻAʻole, akā e hoʻomaʻemaʻe.
James Hiatt: Eia hou, ʻo wau, ʻoiaʻiʻo, he wahi koʻikoʻi loa ia no ka poʻe e hoʻomaopopo. ʻO ka mea hana nui loa ma ka pā hale aʻu e noho nei, ʻo ia ka papa kula. ʻO lākou ka ʻoihana nui loa, ʻaʻole nā mea hoʻolaʻa nui ʻelua a i ʻole nā petrochem ʻē aʻe i loaʻa iā mākou. ʻOi aku ka poʻe o ka papa kula, a ʻoi aku ka nui o nā kānaka me ka liʻiliʻi o ke kālā, no ka mea, ʻaʻole uku kēia mau ʻoihana i kā lākou ʻauhau waiwai. Hele lākou mai… Ua paʻa lākou i kēia moʻolelo ʻo lākou… ʻO mākou ke kumu e ola ai ʻo Lake Charles. ʻO mākou ke kumu. ʻO ka ʻoiaʻiʻo, aia ʻo Lake Charles ma ʻaneʻi ma mua o ka hiki ʻana mai o kekahi hale hoʻomaʻemaʻe aila, a inā mākou e hoʻomau i ka pālua ʻana i nā wahie mōʻalihaku, a kūkulu mākou i kēia mau pahu hoʻokuʻu kinoea e hoʻohana wale ana ma kahi o 200 poʻe, ʻo kēia heluna liʻiliʻi loa o ka poʻe. me ka ʻōlelo ʻana e pau kākou i lalo o ka wai.
ʻAʻohe wahi e hana ai, no ka mea, e piʻi aʻe ana ka ʻilikai, a inā manaʻoʻiʻo ʻoe i kēlā ʻāpana a ʻaʻole paha, inā ʻaʻole ʻoe i ka hoʻololi ʻana i ke aniau, inā ʻaʻole ʻoe e manaʻoʻiʻo, ua maikaʻi. ʻO kahi mea aʻu e manaʻo ai e pili ana i kēia mau pahu hoʻokuʻu kinoea i loaʻa i kaʻu radar i kēia manawa, ʻo kēia mau keʻena kinoea wai wai maoli a lākou e lawe nei i ke kinoea maoli i loaʻa mai ka paipu fracking ma ʻaneʻi a hiki i Louisiana hema a laila maloʻo. ka nui o ka ikehu e hoʻokuʻu ai i 260 degere Fahrenheit, e kau ai ma luna o ka moku, e hoʻouna aku i nā ʻāina ʻē i Asia a me ʻEulopa. A ke hana mākou i kēlā, ʻo ka mea a mākou e hana nei ʻo ka hana ʻana i kēlā me kēia ʻAmelika, ʻoi aku ka uku o nā mea hana no kā lākou uila. Hoʻohana ʻia ka Methane no ka hana ʻana i nā mea kanu, no laila ke ʻike nei mākou i ka piʻi nui ʻana o ke kumukūʻai meaʻai no ka mea ke hoʻouna nei mākou ma luna o 20% o ke kinoea i hana ʻia ma kēia ʻāina i waho.
A ʻo wai ka pōmaikaʻi mai ia mea? ʻO kēia wale nō ka poʻe e loaʻa kālā kēia mau hui kinoea nui, a ʻo wai ka mea e uku? ʻO wai ka mea e uku ana i kēlā me kēia ʻAmelika, a ʻoi aku ka haʻahaʻa a me ka loaʻa kālā paʻa ke uku nui nei nā ʻAmelika, a ua ʻike pū mākou i nā hui kālepa ʻaʻole maoli ma ka ʻaoʻao like me nā mea hoʻokele kaiapuni ʻē aʻe, nā mea hana plastik e uku nui nei no kā lākou uila ma muli o kēia lele lele ʻana o ʻAmelika kahi a mākou e lawe ai i ka waiwai i loaʻa iā mākou, ko mākou waiwai kūlohelohe, ka mea hiki iā mākou ke waiho i ka lepo, akā hiki iā mākou ke hoʻohana e kōkua maoli i kahi hoʻololi, a ma kahi o ka mālama ʻana ma ʻaneʻi. a me ka hoʻohana ʻana iā ia ma ke ʻano he alahaka, lawe mākou iā ia, a hoʻokuʻu iā ia, a kūʻai aku i ka mea kūʻai kiʻekiʻe loa, ʻo kēia mau hui. A ke pepehi nei lākou iā mākou, a ke pepehi nei lākou i ko mākou kahakai, ʻaʻole lākou e hāʻawi i kēlā mau hana he nui. Manaʻo wau ʻo ia ka manaʻo.
No laila ma kahi o ka pālua ʻana, makemake lākou e… He ʻekolu kā mākou ma ke komohana hema o Louisiana. Makemake lākou e kūkulu hou i ʻewalu mau hale hana ma ke kahakai ʻo Gulf Coast. Aia he 20 mau hale ho'oku'u kinoea 'oko'a a lākou e makemake ai e kūkulu. ʻAʻole kēia ke ala e neʻe ai i loko. ʻO ke ala e neʻe ai i loko e pili ana i nā mea hiki ke hoʻololi, a hoʻomau, a me nā ana kūpono. Ua ʻike mākou i kēia mau lā ma St. James Parish, aia ma waena o Baton Rouge a me New Orleans, ʻo ia ka ʻaha kūkā o ka hale pule i ʻae like me ka lokahi o ka nui piliona mea kanu plastik haole, ʻo Formosa, i hoʻopaʻa i ka moratorium ma nā mahiʻai lā. No laila, maopopo iaʻu ʻaʻole ia ka manaʻo o ka ʻaha kūkā. Manaʻo wau aia kekahi, he manu liʻiliʻi i loko o ko lākou pepeiao e hoʻāʻo nei e hoʻomau i ko mākou hilinaʻi a hilinaʻi i nā wahie mōʻalihaku, a ʻo ia ka pilikia ma Louisiana a ma ka hapa nui o ka ʻāina ʻo ka loaʻa ʻana o ko lākou mau maiuu i nā mea āpau, kēlā me kēia ʻaoʻao. aupuni, a ma ka moʻolelo hoʻi, a me ka noʻonoʻo o ka poʻe inā makemake ʻoe e hoʻā i kou mau kukui, pono ʻoe e loaʻa i nā wahie fossil.
A no laila e hoʻihoʻi i hope, a e ʻōlelo aku ʻaʻole ʻoiaʻiʻo kēia, no ka mea hiki iā mākou ke ʻike i ka hana ʻana o kēia ma nā ʻāina ʻē aʻe, a ma Texas hoʻi i kēia nalu wela hope loa, ʻo ia nā mea hou i hoʻomau i ka uila. , ʻaʻole nā wahie fossil. No laila, me ka hele ʻole i ka nahele, manaʻo wau he mea nui ia, ʻo ka ʻike ʻana i nā hana a mākou e kamaʻilio nei, ʻo kēia mau luawai haʻalele ʻia a kēia mau hui aila nui i kūʻai aku ai i nā hui liʻiliʻi i banekorupa, a laila aia i kēia manawa. ke kuleana o ka mea ʻauhau e hoʻomaʻemaʻe. ʻO kēia ma ka hoʻolālā. Ua hana lākou i kēia ma ka hoʻolālā ʻana, a no laila ua nui ka hoʻomaʻemaʻe e hana ʻia, a he nui nō hoʻi nā mea hiki ke hana e kōkua i ka lawe ʻana mai i nā mea hou inā mākou e hoʻoikaika a ʻaʻole e hoʻomau i ka hāʻawi ʻana i nā ʻauhau ʻauhau i nā hui ʻaʻole. pono iā lākou.
Hoʻopaʻa kālā lākou. He mea pupule loa ke hoomau aku i keia ala ke loaa ka manawa no ka hoololi ana, a e waiwai ana ia, a e hiki ke ola, aka, pono kakou e hooki i ka hoolohe ana i na kale aila e olelo mau mai nei ia kakou, “O makou ke ala. i mua.” ʻAʻole, ʻaʻole ʻoe. ʻO ʻoe ka mea e kāohi iā mākou. No laila, [inaudible 00:53:01] monopolizing.
Maximillian Alv…: Haʻi aku, kaikaina. ʻAʻole, ʻo koʻu manaʻo, ʻo ia ke ʻano o koʻu hele ʻana ma mua, ʻo ia ke kuhikuhi koʻikoʻi a mākou e koi mau nei. ʻO ka hana e hana ana i nā ʻoihana e pono ai mākou e mālama i nā ʻāpana koho i kēia a i kēlā mokuʻāina i hana, ʻeā? ʻO ia ka mea i ʻōlelo mau ʻia iā mākou, ʻeā? ʻO ia wale nō ka manawa a ka poʻe kālai'āina i manaʻo nui ai i ka poʻe hana i kēia mau ʻoihana ke hiki iā lākou ke hana i kekahi ʻano mauʻu politika e pili ana iā ia, a pehea lākou e hana nei i nā hana, yada, yada, yada. No laila, ʻo kēia kahi e lilo ai ka nīnau de-growth i ke kikowaena, ʻeā? No ka mea, e ʻōlelo ka poʻe, "ʻAe, he aha hou aʻe ka poʻe e hana ai?"
E like me kāu i ʻōlelo ai, e James, ua ʻōlelo ʻia mākou he pono nā wahie fossil. ʻAʻole e pau nā wahie fossil. ʻO kēia kahi e pono ai ka hoʻopukapuka kālā. ʻO kēia kahi e loaʻa mai ai ke kālā, akā ʻo ka mea a nā poʻe a pau ma aneʻi i ʻano lawe ʻia he nui nā hana i hiki ke hana i ka reclamation a me ka hoʻomaʻemaʻe. Nui nā hana i hiki ke hoʻololi ʻia, a me ka hale kūkulu hale e pono ai ke komo i kēlā. Hiki ke loaʻa kahi ʻano hana hou e hoʻokau i nā poʻe he nui i ka hana, nā hana uku maikaʻi, nā hana uniona e hoʻoponopono maoli nei i kēia mau mea, akā ua haʻi ʻia mākou ʻaʻole i laila ka hoʻoikaika kālā. No laila, kahi aʻu e loaʻa ai i kēia, e hoʻi kāua a puni ka papaʻaina a kamaʻilio hou no ka poʻe e pili ana i ke ʻano o ia mea. He aha nā ʻano mea ʻaʻole mākou e noʻonoʻo i ka wā e kūʻai mau ai mākou i kēia manaʻo noʻonoʻo ʻo ka ʻoihana wahie fossil wale nō ke ala e hoʻoulu ai i ka ʻāina, ka hoʻokele waiwai, a me ka hoʻolako ʻana i nā hana no ka poʻe hana?
Megan Milliken …: No laila, ʻaʻohe hemahema o ka hana ma ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa, ʻeā? Aia kekahi ton o ka lohi o ka mālama ʻana e pili ana i nā ʻōnaehana lehulehu, ma nā ʻōlelo o nā huahana a mākou e pono ai. Aia ke kaulahao hoʻolako [inaudible 00:55:16] no nā mea, nā huahana maoli e pono ai mākou. ʻAʻohe hemahema o nā mea e hana ai. Aia ka nele o ka makemake e uku i nā kānaka e hana i nā mea, ʻaʻole? Aia kekahi ʻokoʻa, a ʻo kaʻu mea nui aʻu e koi nei ma ke ʻano he mea hana ʻoihana, ʻaʻole ia… Pono, no ka mea, ʻaʻole i hāʻawi ʻia ka mākeke. ʻO ke kumu he mākeke maikaʻi. ʻO koʻu manaʻo, e kala mai iaʻu, he mea pono e hoʻolako ʻia no ka lehulehu e ka lehulehu.
A ʻo kekahi o nā mea nui aʻu e kākoʻo nei, ʻo ia ka hoʻokumu ʻana i kahi keʻena federal hou, ʻo ka Abandoned Well Administration, nāna e hoʻohana pololei i nā limahana aila a me nā kinoea e hana i kēlā hana reclamation, no ka mea, ʻaʻole pono mākou i nā hui aila a me ke kinoea. Pono mākou i nā mea hana aila a me ke kinoea. ʻO kēlā mau mākau, kēlā poʻe a mākou e pono ai i kēia lā e hana i kēia hana, a no laila, aia ka Abandoned Well Administration ma 30 mau mokuʻāina a puni ʻo ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa, ʻike, hoʻopili [inaudible 00:56:13], a me ka nānā ʻana i nā luawai aila a me ke kinoea mau loa. , no ka mea, ua lohe paha nā kānaka a pau i ka bila ʻoihana bipartisan mai ka makahiki i hala, a ua hoʻokumu i kahi papahana hāʻawi, e hāʻawi ana i nā kālā federal i nā papahana luawai keiki makua ʻole e hāʻawi i nā hui e like me Schlumberger a me Halliburton e hoʻopili i nā luawai.
ʻO ka mea e pili ana i kahi pūnāwai, kahi pūnāwai aila a me ke kinoea, ʻo ia, ʻae, hiki iā ʻoe ke hoʻokomo i ka sima i loko o kahi pahu hana, akā pehea ka hopena me ka sima? E hāʻule hope. He aha ka hana i ke kila? ʻO ka pahu o kēia mau pūnāwai, ua ʻino lākou. Aia kekahi hihia kūlana kiʻekiʻe loa ma Texas o kahi kahu hānai nona nā luawai Chevron i hoʻopili ʻia. Ua hoʻopili ʻia lākou i ka makahiki 1990, i koʻu ʻano kahiko ke kani nei, a ua hāʻule lākou. Ua hoʻokuʻu ʻia lākou ma lalo o ka ʻāina, a ʻo kekahi o kēlā mau pūnāwai i hoʻopili ʻia e Chevron i hoʻopili ʻia me nā kapuaʻi o ka pahu pahu. Ke mālama nei mākou i kēia pilikia me he mea lā, e like me ka hiki iā mākou ke hoʻopili i kahi pūnāwai a hele aku, akā ʻaʻole, ʻoi aku ka like me ka ʻōpala nuklea kahi e pono ai mākou e nānā i kēia mau loa.
A no laila, ʻo ka manaʻo o ka hoʻomaʻemaʻe ʻana he hana mau loa ia, pono mākou i kēia limahana no ka manawa pau ʻole, no ka mea inā he hapa liʻiliʻi o ka 10 miliona a me nā luawai i ʻeli ʻia ma ka mōʻaukala o ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa ma uka, ʻaʻole i helu ʻia. ʻAʻole hiki i waho, kahe, hoʻokuʻu i ka methane, hoʻoulu i ka puhi ʻana, pahū e like me ia ma nā wahi ʻē aʻe, ʻo kēia mau māla kahiko kahi e pahū ai ke kinoea ma luna o kahi hale i kūkulu ʻia me ka ʻike ʻole ʻia ma luna, pono mākou i kahi limahana mākaukau e pane aku. , a hoʻopaʻa hou i kēlā mau pūnāwai, a e hōʻoia i ka palekana o nā kaiāulu. A ʻo ia ka mea aʻu i manaʻo ʻaʻole maopopo i ka poʻe ʻo ia ka hiki ke hana mau loa, no ka mea pono mākou.
A laila, ʻoiaʻiʻo, kamaʻilio mākou e pili ana i ka ikehu hou. Loaʻa iā Louisiana a me Texas kekahi o nā ʻenehana ʻenehana kiʻekiʻe loa no ka mana makani o waho ma ʻAmelika holoʻokoʻa, ʻoi aku ka kiʻekiʻe ma mua o Kaleponi, ʻoi aku ka kiʻekiʻe ma mua o ke kai hikina. ʻAe, kala mai, Florida pū kekahi. ʻO koʻu manaʻo, he nui ka hiki. Inā makemake mākou e hoʻohana pono i kēlā papa ʻāina pāpaʻu, a kau i ka makani o waho me ka ikaika loa, hiki iā mākou ke hoʻoiho i nā hoʻokuʻu kalapona. Akā ʻo ka pilikia i kēia manawa ua hoʻopau ʻia i nā pipelines, no laila ua ʻae ke aupuni federal i nā hui e haʻalele wale ma hope o ko lākou ola pono ʻana, loaʻa iā mākou he 18,000 mau mile o ka poʻe ma ke Kaiwa o Mexico.
ʻAe, he hana nō hoʻi kēlā. Pono mākou e neʻe i kēlā mau mea me ka wikiwiki. Pono mākou e hoʻokau i kēlā mau waʻa e hana. Aia kēia mau moku hoʻolako i waho e noho wale ana ma Louisiana a me Texas me ka hana ʻole. ʻAe, nui nā hana e hana ai. Pono mākou e hoʻopili i nā kumuwaiwai lehulehu i kēlā mau mea a e hōʻoia i ka uku ʻana o nā hui i kā lākou ʻāpana kūpono, ʻo ia wale nō. No laila ʻaʻohe liʻiliʻi o ka hana. Pono mākou e mākaukau e hana.
James Hiatt: He wahi maikaʻi kēlā. Manaʻo wau no Kentucky koʻu makuahine, no ka ʻāina lanahu ma Kentucky. A ʻo ka mea a mākou e ʻike ai ma ka Rust Belt a me nā wahi ʻē aʻe ma hope o ke komo ʻana o kēia mau hui, loaʻa iā lākou ka mea e loaʻa ai, a ʻo ka mea a lākou e haʻalele ai, ʻo ke kaumaha. ʻO ka ʻoiaʻiʻo inā ʻaʻole ʻoe e hoʻololi i ka hoʻokele waiwai ma mua o ka hala ʻana o ka mea hoʻokele nui, waiho ʻia ʻoe me ka mea ʻole, a no laila ka hoʻohana ʻana i ka lāʻau, nā pilikia ʻē aʻe a pau e hele mai me ka poʻe i ke kaumaha no ka mea ʻaʻohe hana i loaʻa, ʻaʻohe… Lawe ʻia kēia mau mea a pau. Pono mākou e nānā. ʻAʻole hou ka puke pāʻani aila a me ke kinoea. Ua ʻike mākou i kēia ma ke ʻano o ka paka i hoʻohiki ai, “ʻAe, ʻaʻole, maikaʻi ia iā ʻoe. Mai hopohopo no ia mea.” ʻO koʻu manaʻo, ʻo ia ʻano mea ka mea a mākou e lohe nei, a e like me kā Megan i ʻōlelo ai, nui ka hana.
ʻO ka ʻoiaʻiʻo, pono e loaʻa i kēia mau hui ma kā lākou ʻae ʻana i ka hoʻomaʻemaʻe ʻana i kēia mau mea a pau, kēia mau lua hohonu a pau, a me ka ʻino i waiho ʻia ma ʻaneʻi wale nō, pono, aneane wau e uē i ka noʻonoʻo ʻana i kēia. Aia kekahi kaikamahine ʻilihune ma Beauregard Parish ʻaʻole wau i ʻike inā ʻo ia ka makahiki i hala, akā e pāʻani ana ʻo ia ma kahi haʻalele ʻia… He mau kaʻa kā lākou. Ua pahū, a nalowale kona ola i ka wā e hana ana ʻo ia i TikTok a i ʻole ke pana ʻana i kahi… ʻAʻole pono kēlā. ʻO koʻu manaʻo, he aha kā mākou e hana nei? No laila ma waho aʻe o ka hoʻomaʻemaʻe ʻana, makemake ʻoe e ʻā nā kukui, ʻeā? A ke hoʻololi ʻoe i ke kī, inā ʻaʻole hilinaʻi, ʻaʻole maikaʻi.
ʻAe, ma hope o kēia mau ʻino, ʻaʻole hiki iā ʻoe ke hoʻohuli i ke kuapo a e ʻā nā kukui ke loaʻa ʻoe i ka makani ʻino, no laila pono mākou e neʻe i kēia ala ʻo ia wale nō ke ala i mua no kā mākou mau keiki a me kā mākou. ʻO nā keiki, kā lākou mau keiki, e like me kā mākou e hana nei i kēia manawa e hoʻomau i kēia manaʻo e hiki iā mākou ke kūkulu i nā ʻōnaehana wahie fossil, ʻo ia ka mea i hana ʻia e kēia bila IRA a me ka mea a Joe Manchin e hoʻāʻo nei e hoʻokō me kāna ʻaoʻao ʻaoʻao, kāna liʻiliʻi. ʻO ka ʻaoʻao ʻaoʻao, e wehe ana mākou no ka ʻimi ʻana i ka aila a me ke kinoea ma waho o ka ʻāina, ʻaʻole pono. ʻOi aku ka maikaʻi ma uka i kēia manawa no nā kumu. ʻO ka fracking, he mea weliweli hoʻi, a i ʻole ke kau ʻana i nā pipeline hou aʻe e hoʻomau i kēia ala, ʻaʻole ia ka mea e pono ai mākou. ʻO kā mākou mea e pono ai, ʻo ia ka hoʻohana ʻana i ka methane ma ke ʻano ʻaʻole… ʻIke loa, ke hoʻokele kaʻa nei mākou a pau. ʻAʻole mākou i laila. ʻAʻole mākou i ke kiko, akā ʻaʻole mākou e hele i ke ala o Louisiana.
ʻO 75% o ka uila i hana ʻia ma Louisiana mai nā mea kanu kinoea maoli, a ʻike mākou i kēia mau manawa e hoʻopukapuka i ka makani o waho, e hoʻokomo i nā mahiʻai lā e hoʻonui ai i ka pono. Nui nā hana. Nui nā hana e pono ai e hoʻonui i ka pā. He waiwai ia no ka lehulehu, ʻoiai ke uku nei mākou i kahi hui e loaʻa kālā ai i nā uku hoʻolimalima, no laila hiki iā mākou ke loaʻa ka uila iā lākou. Eia naʻe, e komo hohonu au i loko o ka ululāʻau a hoʻomaka wau e kamaʻilio e pili ana i ka hoʻihoʻi ʻana o ka ʻino, akā ʻaʻohe manaʻo o ka hoʻomau ʻana i ka hilinaʻi a hilinaʻi i nā wahie mōʻalihaku a i ʻole e hoʻolilo hou aʻe i loko o ia mea ma mua o ka hoʻololi ʻana i kahi nui o nā hana inā mākou E haʻalele wale i ka hoʻolohe ʻana i nā moʻolelo i koi ʻia e nā kaʻa ʻaila. Kāhea wau iā lākou he cartels. ʻO ia paha kaʻu hoʻolaha ponoʻī iā lākou, akā ʻo nā moʻolelo a lākou e paipai nei e like me ka nui o ka propaganda.
Clarke: E pāpālua wau i ka ʻōlelo a Megan e pili ana i nā paipu. Mahalo, James. He mau cartels lākou. E komo au i ka propaganda me ʻoe. No laila, i koʻu hana ʻana ma ke Kai Kūʻono, hoʻopaʻa au i ʻeono mau paipu ma ka makahiki maʻamau. Pono mākou e hele i lalo o ka wai. Ua kanu ʻia nā paipu i ʻekolu kapuaʻi, i manaʻo ʻia, i loko o ka papahele o ke kai. No laila, pono mākou e iho i lalo a hōʻike i ka paipu e ʻike ai i ka leak, a laila e loaʻa iā mākou kēia mau kaukani kālā o ka paʻi a mākou e kau ai ma luna o lākou, hoʻopaʻa paʻa, a laila hoʻokomo lākou i ka ea pahu pahu ma loko o laila e ʻike inā aia kekahi. nā ʻōhū, inā e kahe hou, a laila hoʻihoʻi lākou i ka paipu ma ka pūnaewele. ʻO ke ala e loaʻa ai iā mākou, ʻo ia ka hoʻoheheʻe ʻana i ka paipu. Hoʻopau lākou i ka ʻaila, hoʻohuli i ka mea kūʻai aku mai ia mea, akā ke hele ʻoe i laila e ʻike iā lākou, aia kahi pūʻulu o nā mea ʻepekema ʻē aʻe i hana ʻia me ka ʻaila, a loaʻa iā lākou kēia paraffin wax e pahele i loko o ka ʻaila. paipu, a he mau pahele i loko o nā kemika mai nā mea kūʻai aku.
ʻO NORM kekahi o ia mea, he mea radioactive maoli i pili i kēia mau paipu. Ke hele au i laila e ʻimi i ka lua, loaʻa iaʻu nā ʻōhū. Manaʻolana ʻaʻole au e hōʻike i nā ʻōhū ma luna oʻu iho, ʻo ia ka mea maʻamau, a loaʻa iaʻu kahi wela kemika ʻino loa ma koʻu ʻāʻī. ʻO kēia wale nō ka ʻāpana i ʻike ʻia ma koʻu kino ke luʻu au, akā ua like wau, “E, ʻike wau aia nā paipu. E noho mamao mai nā ʻōhū. A ʻo ka mea maʻamau, loaʻa iā mākou kekahi mea like PPE, kahi cream a mākou e kau ai, akā inā ʻoe i lalo i laila no ʻekolu hola, ʻaʻole ia e pili pono. No laila, e like me ia i loko o kēia mau paipu, kēia mau paipu kahiko a lākou i haʻalele ai. Aia lākou ma laila, no laila aia kahi hoʻoulu kinoea e hiki ke hana, a inā loaʻa iā ʻoe kahi leak, a he kelepona kekahi, a ke hana nei lākou i kahi TikTok me ia, kēlā kelepona, ʻo ka uila e hana ai e hiki ke puhi. lawa i ka lamalama e hoomalamalama ai i kekahi mea.
ʻAʻole palekana wale nō, a ʻaʻohe kumu e hoʻomau ai i kēlā. ʻO ke Kaiwa o Mekiko, ua kokoke loa kēlā māla i ka make, a ke hele nei ka hui aila ma hope o ka frack i ka frack gas. He ʻano hōʻailona wale nō ia e hele ana kēia ʻoihana e like me ka hana ʻana o ka aila kohola i nā haneli mau makahiki i hala aku nei, a pono mākou e makaʻala i kēlā a hoʻomaka e hoʻololi i kahi mea e ʻoi aku ka maikaʻi, a ʻoi aku ka maikaʻi o ke olakino. iā mākou, a laila pono mākou e hoʻopau i nā hewa a mākou i hana ai. ʻAʻole like me ka ʻoihana koholā, ʻaʻohe mea i ʻike hou aku, ʻo ia wale nō nā waʻa lāʻau a me nā luina. Loaʻa iā mākou nā ʻōnaehana ʻo ia kēia mau paipu hiki ke pepehi kanaka.
Ua kahe ka aila e New Orleans i kapa ʻia ʻo Taylor Oil spill i hana ʻia. Aia kēia rig ma ka ʻaoʻao o ka pali i lalo o ka wai, ma ke ʻano, a hele mai ka makani ʻino ma waena o ka ʻōpala, a ua hoʻohiolo ka rig, a ua hele ka hui ʻaila i nā poʻe i waho, ʻo ia hoʻi, ʻaʻole hiki ke hoʻōki i kēia hana. Ua kanu ʻia ka rig me 100 kapuaʻi o ka lepo ma luna ona, no laila, ʻo ka hele maoli ʻana i ka pūnāwai a pepehi ʻia he hana hiki ʻole. Aia kekahi hui i hele i laila, a hopu lākou me ka dome, a lawe lākou i kēlā ʻaila, a laila hoʻihoʻi mai i kahakai, a kūʻai hou aku a me nā mea a pau, no ka mea ua loaʻa iā lākou nā kuleana hoʻopakele ma luna. ʻO ka mea nui, ʻo ia ka hoʻōki ʻana i kēlā kahe.
A ʻo ka Coast Guard, ua ʻano palaka lākou i ka lawelawe ʻana. ʻAʻole lākou i hakakā maoli a hiki i ka loaʻa ʻana o kahi kāpena hou ma ka ʻāina ʻo Louisiana. Ua hahai ʻo ia ma hope o ia, a aia ke ala, e ʻimi i kekahi mau ʻaelike e hoʻōki i kēia. A ʻaʻohe mea e kamaʻilio e pili ana. Nui ka hana kālai'āina o kēlā kanaka ma Louisiana i mea e hoʻomāmā ai, a ʻoi aku paha ka ʻino o kēlā kahe ʻana ma mua o ke kahe ʻana o BP, akā no ka mea ʻaʻole i loiloi ʻia, noiʻi ʻia, nānā maikaʻi loa, ʻaʻohe mea nāna i hoʻokumu. he pilau nui maoli no ia mea. Aia ka makemakika fuzzy e ʻike i ka mea e hana nei me ia.
Ke hana nei au i ka wā i hoʻoheheʻe ʻia ai ka ʻaila BP, a ʻo ka mea pōʻino, ʻike wale wau i nā ʻaila nui ma luna, i loko o ka wai, i lalo o ka wai. ʻO wau iho a me kekahi mau hoa luʻu, ua uhi ʻia mākou. Loaʻa iā mākou kahi papahana palekana e hoʻoponopono ai i kēia kūlana, ʻo ia hoʻi, loaʻa iā ʻoe ʻelua mau kāne, a me kahi pūʻulu kopa kakahiaka, a me nā pulupulu, a holoi lākou iā ʻoe e like me ka manu a i ʻole kekahi holoholona ʻilihune ʻē aʻe i paʻa i loko. , a pono mākou e hele i loko o kahi keʻena hyperbaric no kā mākou luʻu ʻana, a ʻaʻole hiki iā ʻoe ke lawe mai i nā petrochemical, no ka mea, aia ʻoe i loko o ka oxygen enriched environment ke hana ʻoe i kēlā, a paʻakikī maoli ke hana i ka wā e pau ai ʻoe. uhi ʻia i ka ʻaila BP, akā ua hana mākou. Manaʻo wau ʻaʻohe pilikia a mākou. ʻAʻole au makemake e ʻike i ke ʻano o nā pilikia olakino e loaʻa iaʻu mai kēlā.
ʻO ia wale nō ke ʻano o ka holoholona. Ua ʻaʻahu au i ka lole pulu ma kēlā mau luʻu a mālama i ka hapa nui o ia mea mai oʻu aku, akā he mea ʻino loa ia. A ʻo ka waiho ʻana i nā wili makani ma laila, ʻaʻole loa e loaʻa iā ʻoe kēlā, a e uhaʻi i kēlā mau mea a pau, aia nā ala e hana ai ia mea ma ke ʻano palekana ʻoiai inā loaʻa iā ʻoe nā kahe e like me ia, hiki iā ʻoe ke komo, no ka mea ke hahai nei ʻoe iā ia ma ke ʻano e hiki ai ke kahe, no laila e kau ʻoe i kahi paʻa ma mua o kou hoʻomaka ʻana e hana i ka wehe ʻana. I koʻu hoʻomaka mua ʻana ma ke kula, ʻaʻole mākou i hana maoli i ka wā e ʻoki ai mākou i nā paipu, a ua nui nā hewa i hana ʻia, a hoʻomaka nā hui aila e ʻike i kēlā, no ka mea, lawe lākou i nā uku a me nā mea āpau. ʻAʻole lākou makemake e hoʻolilo i ke kālā inā ʻaʻole pono lākou.
No laila, ke hoʻohana nei mākou i kahi dome ma luna o mākou e hopu ai i nā mea a pau e kahe ana, a laila e lawe mākou i mea e hoʻopaʻa ai i loko o ka moku, a ʻo ia ke ʻano o kā lākou hoʻōki ʻana i ka ʻaila ʻaila Taylor i ke Kaiwa me kahi dome pollution nui. ʻAe, hele wale wau i kahi tangent ma laila, akā ʻo kēlā mau paipu, loaʻa nā mea ʻino i loko o lākou. ʻOiai ke ʻōlelo nei lākou he maʻemaʻe lākou, ʻaʻole lākou, a ʻo ka radioactive, ʻo ia hoʻi, pono wau e lawe i ke kula ʻoluʻolu, kahi papa maʻalili e aʻo ai i ka hoʻohana ʻana i kahi counter Geiger, no ka mea ke haehae mākou i kēlā mau paipu. pono mākou e nānā iā lākou e ʻike inā he NORM a ʻaʻole paha, a he mea kupanaha. He ino na paipu.
Maximillian Alv…: ʻAʻole, e ke kanaka, ʻaʻole ia he mea hoʻopaneʻe. ʻO kaʻu manaʻo, he mea nui kēia no ka hoʻomaopopo ʻana i ka ʻoiaʻiʻo a mākou e noho nei, a he aha ka mea e pono ai ke poʻo… E like me kā James i ʻōlelo ai, ʻaʻole mākou e hele i ke ala pololei, ʻeā? Akā inā hiki iā mākou ke loaʻa i kahi poʻomanaʻo, ʻo ia ka mea e pono ai mākou e kamaʻilio ma kēlā ala. No laila mākou i hoʻokahi hola. Hiki iaʻu ke kamaʻilio pū me ʻoukou e pili ana i kēia no ʻelima mau hola, akā ʻike wau pono wau e hoʻokuʻu iā ʻoe. No laila, makemake wau e hele a puni ka papaʻaina i hoʻokahi manawa a nīnau inā he ʻano manaʻo hope a i ʻole nā mea āu e makemake ai e kaʻana like e pili ana i ka True Transition, The Louisiana Bucket Brigade, nā mea ʻē aʻe āu e makemake ai e haʻi ʻia ma mua o kā mākou uhi ʻana. i keia?
James Hiatt: E hele wau. ʻAe. Manaʻo wau ʻo ka mea nui e hoʻomaopopo ai ka poʻe, ma ka liʻiliʻi loa mai koʻu hiʻohiʻona ma ʻaneʻi, ʻo ia ka lōʻihi o ke kīkēkē ʻana i ke kini ma ke alanui, a me he mea lā ua kokoke e pau ke alanui. ʻAʻole mākou ma laila. ʻAʻole mākou e lele mai ka pali. ʻAʻole mākou i hoʻokuʻi ʻia i luna. Loaʻa iā mākou ka manawa e hana ai i kekahi mea. ʻAʻole i pau kēia kuʻikahi, akā pono mākou e ala a hoʻoikaika. ʻO nā mea a pau a mākou i hana ai a hiki i kēia manawa ua alakaʻi iā mākou ma ʻaneʻi, a ma ke ao holoʻokoʻa, hiki iā mākou ke hoʻopiʻi ma ka Global North, ʻeā? ʻO kēia mau hanana nui e hoʻololi i ke aniau, ʻo kēia mau pōʻino kūlohelohe hiki iā mākou ke lawe i ke kuleana no ia mea, a hiki iā mākou ke lawe i ke kuleana no ka hoʻopuka ʻana i kahi ala hou o ke ʻano a me kahi ala hou o ka launa pū ʻana a me ka pilina. ʻO ia ka mea hiki ke hoʻopau i ka hoʻohana ʻana a me ka noʻonoʻo mua iā mākou.
No laila ʻo ka mea hiki i ka poʻe ke hana aia kahi pūnaewele, ʻo Defendswla.org kahi e hele ai nā kānaka, a e ʻae iā ʻoe e hoʻouna i kahi leka i nā ʻelele ma ka ʻaha kūkā e ʻōlelo ai ʻaʻole pono mākou i nā mea hou aku o kēia mau wahi hoʻokuʻu kinoea fossil ma Louisiana a i ʻole. ma nā wahi a pau, a e kamaʻilio pū me kou hoalauna, e kamaʻilio me kāu hoaaloha e pili ana i ka mea e hiki ai iā mākou ke hana e kōkua i ka hoʻololi ʻana i nā ala āpau a hoʻololi i nā ala a mākou e noho nei i nā ala i ʻoi aku ke aloha a me nā ala e loaʻa ai kahi manawa hoʻomau, he honua ola no ko kākou wā e hiki mai ana, no kā kākou poʻe keiki, a me nā hanauna hou aku, a mahalo nui iā ʻoukou no ka hana ʻana i kēia a me ke kono ʻana mai iaʻu. Mahalo
Clarke: No ka loaʻa iā mākou, Max. James maikaʻi ka hui ʻana me ʻoe, a, Megan, hauʻoli mau. Hauʻoli wau e uhi ana ʻoe i ka de-growth. Manaʻo wau ʻike wau iaʻu iho he mea hoʻomalu kaiapuni iaʻu iho, he mea ʻē aʻe e ʻōlelo ai e hele mai ana mai kahi lima māla aila, akā ʻo wau. Ua hele au i laila e like me ka ʻimi ʻana i ka hoʻokalakupua a me ka hauʻoli, akā ʻike wau pono wau e hula me ka diabolo e iho i laila a hana i nā mea ʻoluʻolu, a ua aʻo nui wau. A ʻike wau i ke ala i mua no ka honua i ka de-growth. ʻAʻole pau ʻole kēia mea kūʻai aku iā mākou. Hiki iā ʻoe ke ʻōlelo i kāu makemake. ʻAʻole ia e hele mau i laila, a i kekahi manawa pono mākou e loaʻa kahi ala i ka wā i hala e hoʻomau i ka noho ʻana i ke ʻano o ko mākou noho ʻana, a manaʻo wau e hiki paha iā mākou ke hoʻololi iki i ke ala a mākou e noho nei. Ke ola nei au e maʻalahi iki, a ke manaʻo nei au ʻo ka manawa kēia e hoʻomaka ai e hoʻohuli i ka valve a hoʻomaka e hoʻopau i kēia mea, a i ka wā e loaʻa ai, e hele mai ana kahi ʻino e pono ai mākou e hoʻomaʻemaʻe.
ʻAʻole hiki iā mākou ke waiho wale i laila. Pono e hele. ʻO kēlā mau paipu i kanu ʻia ʻekolu kapuaʻi i ka papakū, ua ʻike au ma hope o ka Hurricane Katrina, ua haehae ʻia lākou ma kahi o 40 kapuaʻi mai luna mai o ka papakū i wili wale ʻia e like me nā pretzels a me nā mea mai nā hana nalu a me nā mea āpau. ʻAʻole hiki iā ʻoe ke waiho wale i kēlā mea ma laila. Hiki paha ke hoʻololi ʻia kekahi o ia mau kahua i hoʻokomo ʻia i nā turbine makani ma luna o lākou a i ʻole kekahi ʻano hydro turbine i kau ʻia ma luna o lākou e hoʻololi i nā mea, a laila holo mākou i kahi kaula hoʻonui nui loa, akā manaʻo wau he mea maʻalahi loa ka hana. . ʻAʻole lākou e lī, a inā hana lākou, ʻaʻole lākou e hana, a manaʻolana ʻaʻole nui nā iʻa e make i kēlā. ʻAʻole, aia nā ala a puni kēlā, a ʻoi aku ka maikaʻi ma mua o ka ʻaila.
Manaʻo wau aia kahi ala e hana ai i kēia. Manaʻo wau ʻo ka nui o ka makani makani, e like me kā Megan i ʻōlelo ai, aia ia no Louisiana, manaʻo wau he helu hōkū ia e hānai ai i ka ʻupena ikehu no ka hikina hikina kokoke i ʻAmelika a pau. Nui ma laila. A laila inā hoʻolei ʻo Texas iā ia, ʻoi aku ia. Aia kekahi ala ʻokoʻa, akā pono mākou e haʻalele i ka nānā ʻana i ka loaʻa kālā. ʻAʻole pono e piʻi mau ka laina. Hiki i ka laina ke hele pololei, a maikaʻi mākou. Ke pepehi nei ka waiwai i ko mākou honua, ke pepehi nei iā mākou, a ke pepehi nei i nā limahana. Makemake lākou e liʻiliʻi nā limahana e loaʻa kālā hou aʻe, ʻaʻole lākou e uku nui no mākou. ʻAʻole loaʻa iā mākou nā pōmaikaʻi a me nā mea e like me ka poʻe i maʻa i ka makahiki kanalima.
Ua loaʻa ka manawa kūpono e loaʻa ai nā mea luʻu uniona ma ke kahawai ʻo Mekiko i ka makahiki kanaiwa, a ua hele nā hui luʻu i nā uwa kahi i noho ai nā mea hoʻonohonoho uniona a haʻi maoli i kēlā poʻe inā ʻike lākou iā lākou e kau inoa i kahi kāleka, e hoʻi ana lākou i ka home. , a inā ʻoe e kamaʻilio ma luna o ka waʻa, manaʻolana ʻoe e hele ana ʻoe i ka home, no ka mea ʻaʻole hiki iā ʻoe ke hele ke pau mākou. ʻO ka manawa nui, ka manawa nui ʻaʻole i loko o nā uniona. E hana ana ma Kaleponi no kekahi mau hui ma waho o ko lakou mau rigs, no ka mea, he nui no lakou ma laila, a he poe nunui lakou, o na mea a pau e kāko'o ana he uniona, na mea holo moku a pau, na kanaka ma ka uka a me na mea, aka. ʻAʻole hui pū ka poʻe e hana ana no nā hui ʻaila a me nā subcontractors. ʻAʻohe luʻu uku i ka wā e hana ana ʻoe no ka hui ʻaila ma laila. ʻAʻole lākou makemake i kēlā.
A ʻike wau i kēia hoʻololi wale ʻana ma ke ʻano e like me ka papahana a Megan e koi nei, hiki iā mākou ke hoʻohui i kēlā. ʻOi aku ka maikaʻi o ka poʻe a pau e hana ana me ka naʻauao, a he hana pōʻino nō ia, ʻoiai ke make nā pūnāwai, a he pōʻino ia no nā mea a pau. Pono mākou e hoʻohuli i ka spigot a hoʻomaka e lawe i nā laina, e neʻe i kahi mea ʻē aʻe. I kēia manawa, kahi ʻāpana ʻē aʻe. Mahalo, Max.
Megan Milliken …: Manaʻo wau ʻo ke kumumanaʻo maʻamau ʻo ia ka ʻae ʻana i nā hui transnational e pōmaikaʻi ana nā hana a me kā lākou hana i nā mea i koho wale ʻia a ʻaʻole hānai maoli iā mākou, ʻaʻole ia e hāʻawi maoli iā mākou i ka wai maʻemaʻe, ʻaʻole ia e mana maoli i kā mākou. hale me ka hilinaʻi, ʻaʻole ia e hana i kekahi o nā mea a lākou e manaʻo ai e hana, ʻo ia ka mea e pili ana i ka waiwai nui o kekahi. No laila, ʻo ka hana, ʻo ia ka de-growth a i ʻole ka ʻenehana ʻōmaʻomaʻo, ʻo kēlā me kēia ala o mākou, pono ia i ka mana hui. Pono ia i ka socialism democratic. Pono mākou e hoʻomalu pono i nā mea e hana ai i ka hana e pono ai mākou e hana, no ka mea, e like me kēia manawa, pili nā mea āpau i ka waiwai pilikino o kekahi. ʻAʻole hiki iā mākou ke loaʻa nā ʻōnaehana wai maʻemaʻe. ʻAʻole hiki iā mākou ke loaʻa ka kaʻa kaʻa lehulehu. ʻAʻole hiki iā mākou ke loaʻa kekahi mea.
Hoʻopaʻa ʻia nā mea a pau i uku pānaʻi, a no laila ʻo nā mea a mākou e makemake ai e hana aʻe, pono mākou e hoʻomalu hou i kēlā mau mea, a he hana lōʻihi kēlā… ʻAʻole lōʻihi. ʻO ka wikiwiki inā e hana like mākou a pau, a ke manaʻo nei au ʻo ka mea e hana ʻia me ka hana kaʻaahi e hoʻonoho i ke kani no nā makahiki e hiki mai ana, akā ʻo kā mākou hana ʻo ka hoʻonohonoho ʻana i nā limahana a ʻōlelo aku, , a e loaʻa ana iā ʻoe kahi ʻoi aku ka maikaʻi inā hele mākou i kahi ala ʻē aʻe. A no laila hiki i ka poʻe e hoʻolohe nei ke hele i Truetransition.org. E hoʻonui koke ʻia, hoʻohiki wau, akā ʻo ka manaʻo ʻaʻole hiki iā mākou ke nānā aku i nā limahana ma ke ʻano he ʻenemi.