A cikin hirarta ta farko ta watsa shirye-shirye a Amurka, muna yin sa'a tare da Greta Thunberg, 'yar shekara 16 mai fafutukar sauyin yanayi ta Sweden wacce ta zaburar da miliyoyin mutane a duk duniya. A shekarar da ta gabata ta kaddamar da yajin aikin makaranta na yanayi, inda ta tsallake zuwa makaranta duk ranar Juma'a ta tsaya a gaban majalisar dokokin kasar Sweden, inda ta bukaci a dauki matakin hana afkuwar sauyin yanayi. Zanga-zangar ta ya bazu, da sauri ta shiga duniya. Dubban daruruwan yara 'yan makaranta a duniya ne suka shiga yajin aikin nasu na makaranta saboda yanayi. Tun lokacin da yajin aikin nata ya fara a cikin 2018, Greta ta zama jigo a harkar tabbatar da adalci. Ta shiga zanga-zanga a fadin Turai. Ta yi jawabi ga shugabannin duniya a taron Majalisar Dinkin Duniya kan sauyin yanayi a Poland da Majalisar Tarayyar Turai. Har ma ta hadu da Paparoma. Yanzu kuma tana birnin New York domin shiga yajin aikin sauyin yanayi na duniya a ranar 20 ga watan Satumba, sannan ta yi jawabi a taron Majalisar Dinkin Duniya kan sauyin yanayi a ranar 23 ga Satumba. Greta ta ki tashi sama tsawon shekaru saboda hayaki, don haka ta isa nan ne bayan tafiyar mako biyu ta balaguron tekun Atlantika a cikin jirgin. jirgin ruwan tseren sifili. Tana kuma shirin halartar taron sauyin yanayi na Majalisar Dinkin Duniya a birnin Santiago na kasar Chile a watan Disamba. Greta ya haɗu da mu Talata a cikin Dimokuradiyyarmu Yanzu! studio.
AMY GOODMAN: A yau muna ɗaukar sa'a tare da Greta Thunberg, 'yar shekara 16 mai fafutukar sauyin yanayi ta Sweden wacce ta zaburar da miliyoyin mutane a duk faɗin duniya. A bara, tun tana ‘yar shekara 15, ta fara yajin aikin makaranta game da yanayi, inda ta fara zuwa gaban majalisar dokokin Sweden a kowace rana har tsawon makonni uku, sannan ta tsallake zuwa makaranta duk ranar Juma’a ta tsaya a gaban majalisar, tana neman a dauki mataki. don hana bala'in sauyin yanayi. Zanga-zangar ta ya bazu, cikin sauri ta shiga duniya. Dubban daruruwan yara 'yan makaranta a duniya sun shiga yajin aikin nasu na makaranta saboda yanayi.
Tun lokacin da yajin aikin nata ya fara a cikin 2018, Greta ta zama jigo a harkar tabbatar da adalci. Ta shiga zanga-zanga a fadin Turai. Ta yi jawabi ga shugabannin duniya a taron Majalisar Dinkin Duniya kan sauyin yanayi a Poland da Majalisar Tarayyar Turai. Har ma ta hadu da Paparoma.
Yanzu tana birnin New York domin shiga yajin aikin sauyin yanayi a duniya a ranar 20 ga watan Satumba da kuma gabatar da jawabi a taron koli kan harkokin yanayi na MDD a MDD a ranar 23 ga Satumba. Greta ta ki tashi sama tsawon shekaru saboda hayakin da ake fitarwa, don haka ta isa nan bayan balaguron balaguro na mako biyu a cikin wani jirgin ruwan tseren da ba a iya fitarwa ba. Tana kuma shirin halartar taron sauyin yanayi na Majalisar Dinkin Duniya a birnin Santiago na kasar Chile a watan Disamba.
Na zauna tare da Greta Talata a cikin mu Democracy Now! studio.
AMY GOODMAN: Greta Thunberg, yana da kyau a dawo da ku Democracy Now!
GARI THUNBERG: Na gode.
AMY GOODMAN: Don haka, Greta, me yasa ba za mu fara a farkon ba? Akwai babban gardama, kuma shine yadda kuke furta sunan ku. Za a iya ce mana cikakken sunan ku?
GARI THUNBERG: Greta Thunberg.
AMY GOODMAN: Kuma wannan shine sigar Sweden.
GARI THUNBERG: Yeah.
AMY GOODMAN: Kuma yayin da kake zuwa Amurka, mutane suna kiranka da sunaye daban-daban. Za ku iya gaya mana yadda kuke daidaitawa?
GARI THUNBERG: Wani lokaci yana Tune-berg, wani lokacin Thunn-berg. Ina nufin, ina tsammanin yana da ban dariya cewa kowa yana furta shi daban. Don haka, wannan shine kawai - Ba na damu da kowa ya furta hakan ba daidai ba. Babu wata hanya mara kyau don furta shi. Kowa ya furta ta ta hanyarsa.
AMY GOODMAN: Don haka, ka sake faɗi yadda aka haife ka, abin da iyayenka suka kira ka.
GARI THUNBERG: Greta Thunberg.
AMY GOODMAN: To, Greta, yana da ban sha'awa don samun ku tare da mu a yau. Bari mu fara a farkon, yadda kuka shiga cikin ayyukan yanayi, yadda kuka shiga cikin damuwa sosai game da rikicin yanayi. Shekara nawa?
GARI THUNBERG: Ina tsammanin lokacin da nake - Ina tsammanin na kasance mai yiwuwa 7, 8, 9 shekaru lokacin da na fara jin labarin matsalar. Kuma a sa'an nan, ba shakka, da lokaci, na karanta game da shi da kuma irin fahimtar yadda yake da muhimmanci da kuma yadda tsanani wannan rikicin. Sabili da haka, yana kusa da wannan shekarun kuma watakila 10, 11, 12. Ina tsammanin na shiga cikin motsin yanayi lokacin da nake 12, 13. Kuma wannan shine lokacin da na zama kamar mai gwagwarmayar yanayi. Na je zanga-zanga a lokacin hutuna, kuma na yi kokarin shiga kungiyoyi da ƙungiyoyi da sauransu. Amma sai kawai na yi tunanin cewa duk abin da har yanzu yana faruwa a hankali kuma bai yi sauri ba. Don haka sai kawai na yanke shawarar cewa zan yi wani abu da kaina, kuma wannan ba zai yi aiki ba, amma akwai damar da zai yi - yana iya yin tasiri. Kuma na yi tunani, "Me zai hana?" Don haka sai na fara yajin aikin makaranta don yanayin.
AMY GOODMAN: Kun shiga cikin rikici a cikin wannan lokacin, bayan kun kasance 8 shekaru. Za ku iya magana kan abin da kuka shiga?
GARI THUNBERG: Ee. Bayan haka ne na ci karo da karantawa, kuma na fahimta, kuma hakan ya sanya ni cikin damuwa, tabbas. Kuma lokacin da kai kaɗai ne ke da gaske game da wannan rikicin, kuma kowa yana da alama, "Ok, yana da mahimmanci, amma na shagaltu da rayuwata" - kuma kawai na yi tunanin cewa abin mamaki ne cewa babu kowa. wani kuma ya kasance yana yin ta hanya mai ma'ana. Don haka, Ina -
AMY GOODMAN: Me hakan zai kasance?
GARI THUNBERG: Don yin wani abu, don fita daga yankin jin daɗin ku kuma ku gane cewa, “Ok, ba za mu iya ci gaba kamar yadda muka yi yanzu ba. Muna buƙatar yin wani abu sosai. Kuma zan yi duk abin da zan iya don taimakawa wajen turawa a hanya mai kyau. " Amma babu wanda ya yi kama da haka. Iyayena sun kasance kamar ci gaba kamar da. Abokan karatuna, kowane dangi na, ina nufin, babu wanda ya kasance - babu wanda ya damu da waɗannan batutuwa sai ni. Kuma wannan wani bakon ji ne.
AMY GOODMAN: Don haka, kun sauko cikin damuwa?
GARI THUNBERG: Ee. Tabbas, ya kasance saboda dalilai da yawa, amma wannan shine, ina tsammanin, babban dalilin shi ne, saboda kawai na yi tunanin cewa komai yana da kuskure kuma komai yana da ban mamaki kuma komai yana da bakin ciki, kuma me yasa ba'. Shin akwai wani abu game da wannan? Don haka sai na fada cikin damuwa. Kuma ya dade har tsawon shekara daya ko wani abu. Sannan ina -
AMY GOODMAN: Ka tsaya magana?
GARI THUNBERG: Ee, na tsaya. Na daina magana, kuma, saboda ina da zaɓi na mutism, ko aƙalla - sun ce wani lokaci yana tafiya - cewa kawai na yi magana da wasu mutane: malam na, misali, iyayena, wasu dangina da sauransu. Kuma na daina ci kusan gaba ɗaya. Ni kawai - babbar matsala ce. Na yi asarar nauyi da yawa, domin kawai na yi baƙin ciki sosai. Babu wani abu da ya yi kama da komai kuma.
Amma sai na fara dawowa, na zama lafiya, na ji daɗi. Kuma dalilin hakan shine don na ga cewa a zahiri akwai abubuwan da za ku iya yi, kuma na gane cewa zan iya yin abubuwa. Bai kamata in zauna a nan ba ina yin kome ba, ina ɓata lokaci na, lokacin da zan iya yin tasiri a zahiri. Daga nan sai na fara inganta, sannan na zama mai fafutukar kare yanayi. Kuma hakan ya taimaka matuka. Kuma ina tsammanin yawancin shigar da na shiga, yadda nake shiga cikin motsin yanayi, mafi kyawun jin dadi, jin dadi, saboda ina jin kamar ina yin wani abu mai mahimmanci, wani abu mai ma'ana.
AMY GOODMAN: Don haka, magana game da abin da ya faru, abin da kuka yi, menene, kusan shekara guda da ta wuce yanzu. Kuna da shekaru 15. Kun shiga gaban majalisar dokokin Sweden kowace rana, a farkon?
GARI THUNBERG: Ee. Na farko - ko, ina nufin, kowace ranar makaranta, ba Asabar da Lahadi ba, amma kowace ranar makaranta har tsawon makonni uku har zuwa zabe mai zuwa. Sannan wannan shi ne shirina na tsayawa bayan zabe. Amma sai, a ranar Juma’a, 7 ga Satumba, a lokacin ne aka fara Juma’a don Gaba, domin a lokacin na yi tunani, “Me ya sa ba za a ci gaba ba? Me yasa za mu tsaya a yanzu, alhali muna da tasiri?” Don haka ni da wasu ’yan yajin makaranta muka yi tunanin mu ci gaba, a ce ranar Juma’a don gaba, kuma a yi ta Juma’a.
AMY GOODMAN: Kuma ta yaya 'yan majalisar Sweden suka amsa muku, wannan yarinya mai shekaru 15, matashiya, a kan matakan majalisar dokokin Sweden duk rana?
GARI THUNBERG: A farkon, ba su lura da ni ba. Kowa ya wuce kai tsaye -
AMY GOODMAN: Kuna riƙe da alama?
GARI THUNBERG: Haka ne, babban alamar da aka yi da itace.
AMY GOODMAN: Yace?
GARI THUNBERG: Yeah.
AMY GOODMAN: Aka ce a kai?
GARI THUNBERG: "Skolstrejk ga Klimatet." Sai na ba da wasu filaye na folo, wanda na ce - inda aka ce, “Mu yara ba mu saba yin abin da ku manya ke ce mu yi. Muna yin yadda kuke yi. Kuma tun da ba ka yi la’akari da makomara ba, to ni ma ba zan yi ba. Don haka ina yin makaranta don yanayin,” da sauransu. Kuma a baya, na dauki lokaci mai yawa don rubuta bayanan da nake tunanin kowa ya sani. Kuma na raba wa]annan filaye.
Haka ne, amma a farkon, babu wanda ya lura da ni. Kowa ya wuce kai tsaye. Ko da mutane suka fara taruwa a wurin, ’yan siyasa, ’yan majalisa, ba su gan ni ba. Kuma a sa'an nan, zuwa wani lokaci, ya zama abin ba'a, a wata hanya, domin na gan su kowace rana - kowace rana farko da kuma kowace Juma'a, kuma ba su taba ce hi. Don haka, bayan ɗan lokaci, sai suka fara cewa, kamar, “Hi. Barka da safiya.” Sai na ce, “Sannu da zuwa.” Amma ba su ba da haske sosai ba, ta wata hanya. Kuma a sa'an nan, lokacin da ya zama sananne, lokacin da ya zama babba, sai suka fara, ba shakka, yin amfani da wannan kuma su ce, kamar, "Muna goyon bayan Greta da masu yajin makaranta," da sauransu, saboda koyaushe za su nuna gaba. gare ku idan hakan ya same su. Kuma -
AMY GOODMAN: Kuna tuna wasu bayanan da ke bayan wannan hoton da kuka ɗauka?
GARI THUNBERG: Ee. Shi ke nan - tabbas, yana buƙatar sabuntawa a yau. Amma ya kasance kamar har zuwa 200 nau'in suna raguwa kowace rana, sannan, tabbas, tushen abubuwan da suka faru na shida, kuma tabbacin da na yi tunanin mutane su sani, wannan ya kamata ya zama ilimi na kowa, da kuma ɗan game da hayaƙin Sweden, game da yadda yawancin hayaƙinmu ba a haɗa su cikin inda muke ba - Ina nufin, hayaƙin hukuma da nawa matsakaicin matsakaicin Sweden ke fitar da CO2 a kowace shekara da sauransu. .
AMY GOODMAN: 'Yar gwagwarmayar sauyin yanayi Greta Thunberg 'yar shekaru 16 a Sweden. Ta kaddamar da yajin aikin makaranta a shekarar da ta gabata, inda ta tsallake zuwa makaranta duk ranar Juma'a domin ta tsaya a gaban majalisar dokokin kasar Sweden, inda ta bukaci a dauki matakin hana afkuwar sauyin yanayi. Za ta yi zanga-zanga a gaban Fadar White House ranar Juma'a. Lokacin da muka dawo, ta yi magana game da ciwon Asperger, da abin da ta kira ta "mafi ƙarfi." Ku zauna tare da mu.
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AMY GOODMAN: "Ba Zai Koma Ba" by Tom Petty. Wannan shine Democracy Now!, democracynow.org, Rundunar War da Aminci. Ni Amy Goodman, yayin da muke ci gaba da hira da Greta Thunberg, 'yar shekara 16 mai fafutukar sauyin yanayi ta Sweden wacce ta zaburar da miliyoyin mutane a duniya. Ta kasance a birnin New York don yin jawabi a taron Majalisar Dinkin Duniya game da yanayi a ranar 23 ga Satumba da kuma shiga cikin yajin yanayi na duniya a ranar Juma'a, 20 ga Satumba.
AMY GOODMAN: Don haka, kafin ku shiga duniya - mun sadu da ku a Poland - kafin mu zo, muna ganin hashtag ɗinku, ganin saƙon Twitter ɗin ku, in ji shi - a lokacin, kina 15 - “ ɗan shekara 15 mai fafutukar yanayi tare da Asperger.” Wannan bangare ne da ba mu yi magana a kai ba tukuna, na Asperger. Yaushe aka gano ku? Kuma ta yaya kuke tunanin hakan zai ba da gudummawa ga damuwar ku da kuma mayar da hankali kan wannan batu?
GARI THUNBERG: Lokacin da nake sha'awar wani abu da gaske, na fi mayar da hankali kan hakan. Kuma zan iya ciyar da sa'o'i na sa'o'i ba tare da gajiya da karantawa ba kuma har yanzu ina sha'awar ƙarin koyo game da shi. Kuma wannan ya zama ruwan dare ga mutanen da ke kan bakan Autism. Ee, kuma shine kawai - Ina tsammanin hakan shine ɗayan dalilan da yasa, dalilin da yasa na kasance ɗaya daga cikin ƴan kaɗan waɗanda suka amsa da gaske game da rikicin yanayi, saboda na kasa haɗa ɗigon dalilin da yasa mutane ke ci gaba kamar dā kuma har yanzu. yana cewa, "Ee, canjin yanayi yana da mahimmanci." Ba na samun wannan ɗabi'a biyu, ta wata hanya, bambanci daga tsakanin abin da - tsakanin abin da kuka sani da abin da kuke faɗa da abin da kuke yi, yadda kuke aikatawa. Kuma a gare ni, ana kiransa rashin fahimta. Kuma ba ni da gaske - Ni, a wata hanya, ina tafiya. Idan na yanke shawarar yin wani abu, to, zan yi. Don haka, eh.
AMY GOODMAN: Kun kira kasancewa a kan bakan ikon ku. Me yasa?
GARI THUNBERG: Domin yana taimaka min ganin abubuwa ta hanyar da wasu ba za su iya gani ba, kuma hakan yana taimaka mini in bambanta, wanda a tunanina shine babban iko a cikin al'umma da kowa ya kasance iri ɗaya, inda kowa yake tunani iri ɗaya, kowa ya dubi daya, kowa da kowa. yana aikata abubuwa iri ɗaya. Don haka ina ganin wannan wani abu ne da ya kamata a yi alfahari da shi, cewa kun bambanta. Kuma a cikin irin wannan rikici irin wannan, muna bukatar mu yi tunani a waje da akwatin. Muna buƙatar tunani a waje-da-akwatin. Ba za mu iya ci gaba da tunani kamar yadda muke a yau ba, a cikin tsarinmu na yanzu. Kuma muna buƙatar - sannan muna buƙatar mutanen da suke tunani a waje da akwatin kuma waɗanda za su iya ganin wannan ta wata fuska dabam. Kuma, ba shakka, ba koyaushe ba ne kawai kyauta da iko ba, cewa mutane da yawa suna fama da shi - suna fama da ita, saboda ba za su iya samun gyare-gyaren da suka dace ba, kuma ba sa rayuwa a cikin yanayi mai kyau, wanda ban yi ba. , haka kuma, na dogon lokaci. Amma yanzu ina yi. Kuma -
AMY GOODMAN: Don haka, magana game da yadda kuka yanke shawarar yin rayuwar ku. Ee, kuna yin wannan yajin yanayi aƙalla sau ɗaya a mako, kuma za mu yi magana game da abin da kuke yi a nan, haka nan, a cikin Amurka, amma yanke shawara na sirri da kuka yanke waɗanda suma yanke shawara ne na siyasa - misali. , abin da kuke ci, abin da kuke sawa, yadda kuke tafiya.
GARI THUNBERG: Ee. Ina tsammanin biyu ko uku ne, watakila shekaru hudu da suka wuce, na daina tashi sama, saboda abin da ya zama kamar babban abu ne a yi, saboda tasirin, tasirin yanayin jiragen sama a duniya. Ina nufin, akayi daban-daban, yana da girma irin wannan - yana da babban sawun carbon. Don haka kawai na yanke shawarar ba zan ƙara tashi ba. Kuma wannan, ba shakka, ya kasance matsala mai yawa ga iyalina, domin suna son mu tafi hutu da sauransu. Don haka, na kasance mai tayar da hankali. Amma a zahiri na gamsu da su - na yi musu laifi su ma sun yi hakan, na farko mahaifiyata, sannan mahaifina, da kuma 'yar uwata, haka nan. Sannan kuma ni mai cin ganyayyaki ne. Kuma ina da kantin-sanya. Yana nufin cewa ba ku sayi sabbin abubuwa ba, kuna cinye sabbin abubuwa, sai dai idan lallai ne ku. Kuma kawai waɗannan ƙananan abubuwan da zan iya yi a cikin rayuwata ta yau da kullum, ban da gwagwarmaya da kuma bayyana matsalar.
AMY GOODMAN: Don haka, dangane da zama mai cin ganyayyaki, bayyana ma’anar hakan.
GARI THUNBERG: Wannan ba na amfani da kowane kayan da aka yi daga - Ina nufin, kowane - ba na ci, misali -
AMY GOODMAN: Wani kayan dabba?
GARI THUNBERG: - kowane kayan dabba. Ba na amfani da kowane nau'in dabba, saboda dalilai na ɗabi'a da muhalli da yanayi.
AMY GOODMAN: Game da tufafi, ba ku saya sababbin tufafi?
GARI THUNBERG: A'a, ko dai na sayi na biyu ko kuma in karɓi tufafi daga wurin wani, ko kuma in ajiye kayana kawai, watakila in yi amfani da kayan ƙanwata ko na mahaifiyata ko na uba. Kuma, mun -
AMY GOODMAN: Don haka, lokacin da muka gan ku a Poland a taron Majalisar Dinkin Duniya kan yanayi a Katowice, ku yi magana game da yadda kuka isa wurin. Idan ba ku tashi ba, ku yi magana game da yadda kuke zagayawa.
GARI THUNBERG: Ina tafiya ta bas, ta jirgin kasa, motar lantarki, da jirgin ruwa a yanzu, haka ma. Kuma yana ɗaukar lokaci mai yawa. Kuma, ba shakka, ba na cewa kowa ya daina tashi ya fara tuƙi a ko’ina ba. Amma ya kasance - Na yi tunanin cewa ni ɗaya ne daga cikin mutane kaɗan a duniya waɗanda za su iya yin wannan a zahiri kuma waɗanda ke da wannan damar yin wannan tafiya. Sai na yi tunani, "Me ya sa?" Kuma tabbas ya sami kulawa sosai.
AMY GOODMAN: Don haka, ina so in je ga jawabin da kuka yi lokacin da muka gan ku a Poland a Katowice a taron kolin yanayi na Majalisar Dinkin Duniya. Wannan faifan bidiyo ne na abin da za ku fada wa babban sakataren MDD da dukkan wadanda suka hallara a taron kolin sauyin yanayi na MDD, domin Cop.
GARI THUNBERG: A yau muna amfani da ganga miliyan 100 na mai kowace rana. Babu siyasa da za ta canza hakan. Babu wasu ka'idoji don kiyaye wannan man a cikin ƙasa. Don haka ba za mu iya sake ceton duniya ta hanyar yin wasa da ka'idoji ba, saboda dole ne a canza ka'idoji. Don haka ba mu zo nan don mu roƙi shugabannin duniya su kula da makomarmu ba. Sun yi watsi da mu a baya, kuma za su sake watsi da mu. Mun zo nan ne don mu sanar da su cewa canji na zuwa, ko suna so ko ba sa so. Jama'a za su tashi don fuskantar kalubale. Kuma da yake shugabanninmu suna nuna hali irin na yara, dole ne mu dauki nauyin da ya kamata su dauka tun da dadewa. Na gode.
AMY GOODMAN: Greta Thunberg kenan, da take magana a taron sauyin yanayi na Majalisar Dinkin Duniya a Poland lokacin tana da shekaru 15. Yayin da kuke kallon wannan shirin, Greta, kuna murmushi. Me yasa?
GARI THUNBERG: Kullum abin farin ciki ne a gani, saboda - ban sani ba - kawai yadda na yi magana da kuma yadda nake - abu ne mai kyawu. Yana da kyawawan abubuwa masu tsattsauran ra'ayi a faɗi a gaban sakatare-janar na Majalisar Dinkin Duniya kuma na tuna da wannan jawabin, domin, a da, na shirya jawabi, kuma mahaifina ya karanta ta. Kuma ya kasance kamar, "Ba za ku iya faɗi wannan ba. Wannan yana da tsattsauran ra'ayi. Kuma za ku kunyata kanku, kuma za ku kunyata kowa, saboda ba za ku iya faɗin haka ba. Sai kawai na ce, "Ok." Kuma ni - kuma na yanke shi.
AMY GOODMAN: Me kuke cewa?
GARI THUNBERG: Ba za mu iya ƙara ceton duniya ta hanyar yin wasa da dokoki ba. Kuma, ina nufin, wannan ke nan - ko kuma idan shine "Me yasa zan yi karatu don nan gaba wanda ba da jimawa ba?" da sauransu. Wani abu ne kamar haka. Kuma na yanke shi ne don ya ganta ya huta, saboda tsananin damuwa. Sannan, hakika, na haddace waccan, wadancan jimlolin, don haka na fadi su ko ta yaya yayin jawabin.
AMY GOODMAN: Amma kun ci gaba daga Poland, kuma kun ci gaba da yin jawabi ga ƙungiyoyin duniya ko ƙungiyoyin yanki, kamar a watan Afrilu, lokacin da kuka yi jawabi ga Majalisar Turai, inda kuka bukaci 'yan majalisar da su mayar da martani cikin gaggawa game da rikicin yanayi kamar yadda suka yi lokacin da yawa. An kona babban cocin Notre-Dame na Paris.
GARI THUNBERG: Jiya, duniya ta kalli cikin yanke kauna da tsananin bakin ciki yadda aka kona Notre-Dame a birnin Paris. Wasu gine-gine sun fi gine-gine kawai. Amma za a sake gina Notre-Dame. Ina fatan tushensa ya yi ƙarfi. Ina fatan tushenmu ya fi karfi, amma ina jin tsoro ba haka ba ne.
AMY GOODMAN: Don haka, yi magana game da waccan tafiya da yadda kuka ƙare a can a Majalisar Turai.
GARI THUNBERG: Ee. Na je can ta jirgin kasa, ba shakka. Kuma na tuna, saboda wannan jawabin, dole ne in sake rubuta daren da ya gabata, domin daren da ya gabata ko maraicen da ya gabata shine lokacin da Notre-Dame ya ƙone, kuma na yi tunanin cewa dole ne in saka wannan a cikin jawabin. Don haka, dole ne in warware - don haka dare ne mai wahala kafin a daidaita shi. Amma ya kasance - Ina tunawa, ina tsammanin wannan magana ce, na yi kuka a lokacin jawabin, saboda yana da tausayi tare da abubuwan da nake fada. Ina magana ne game da asarar ɗimbin halittu da dazuzzuka, da acidity na tekuna, da sauransu, sai kawai na yi baƙin ciki sosai.
AMY GOODMAN: Mu je wannan shirin.
GARI THUNBERG: Sake sare dazuzzuka na manyan dazuzzukanmu, gurbacewar iska mai guba, asarar kwari da namun daji, da yawan acidification na tekunan mu, wadannan abubuwa ne masu matukar hadari, ana kara habaka ta hanyar rayuwa da mu, a nan bangarenmu na duniya masu arziki, muke gani kamar hakkinmu na ci gaba kawai.
GARI THUNBERG: Kuma bayan haka, ina tsammanin na tafi Roma. Ee.
AMY GOODMAN: Kana nufin ka je ganin Paparoma?
GARI THUNBERG: Ee, zuwa Rome da Majalisar Dattijan Italiya da ganin Paparoma. Kuma a. Sannan zuwa London.
AMY GOODMAN: Bari mu yi magana game da ziyartar Paparoma, abin da yake nufi a gare ku, da abin da Paparoma ya ce game da rikicin yanayi, da abin da kuka gaya masa.
GARI THUNBERG: Ee. Ina nufin, ya yi magana sosai game da wannan. Don haka ina ganin yana da kyau ya yi maganar wannan. Kuma ya kasance mai goyon baya sosai. Kuma ya ce in ci gaba da yin haka. Sabili da haka, eh, yana da ban mamaki don saduwa da shi, ba shakka. Kuma ina matukar farin ciki da samun damar yin hakan kuma na yi magana da shi.
AMY GOODMAN: Kuma idan za ku yi wadannan jawabai, wa kuke tuntuba? Ina nufin, lokacin da muka gan ku a Poland, kuma a kan wasan kwaikwayon muna da Kevin Anderson, sanannen masanin kimiyyar yanayi. A gaskiya, ba ya so ya zo tare da ku, domin ya ce, "Ka ba Greta kowane lokaci. Tana da mahimmanci fiye da ni. " Amma ku biyu kuka zauna tare. Kuna magana da masana kimiyyar yanayi?
GARI THUNBERG: Ina yi, sau da yawa. Ina tambayar su, kamar shawara, da ta yaya zan faɗi wannan da sauransu, don kada a sami rashin fahimta a cikin abin da nake faɗa, da kuma - Ina nufin, suna taimaka mini da yawa - sun karanta. ta hanyar jawabai na don tabbatar da cewa dukkan hujjoji sun yi daidai. Kuma zan iya kawai - idan na yi mamakin wani abu, zan iya yin imel kawai wasu daga cikinsu ko rubutu, sa'an nan kuma sukan ba da amsa sosai, da sauri. Don haka suna taimakawa sosai.
AMY GOODMAN: Yi magana game da batun adalcin yanayi da abin da hakan ke nufi a gare ku, Greta.
GARI THUNBERG: To, ina nufin, kuna iya bayyana shi ta hanyoyi daban-daban. Amma wani abu mai matuƙar mahimmanci a cikin hakan shi ne waɗanda suka haifar da matsalar sauyin yanayi su ne waɗanda galibi za su kasance mafi ƙarancin abin shafa, kuma akasin haka: waɗanda suka haifar da shi, sun ba da gudummawa ga mafi ƙarancin su. da za a fi shafa. Sabili da haka, dole ne mu tabbatar da cewa, ba shakka, za mu iya taimaka wa waɗannan mutane kuma ba haka ba ne rashin adalci a cikin komai.
AMY GOODMAN: Don haka, Greta Thunberg, Ina so in yi magana game da ƙungiyoyi a duk faɗin duniya, cewa kuna da yawa kuma kuna da ban sha'awa. Lokacin da kuka je Biritaniya, kun yi magana a majalisar dokokin Burtaniya, amma kuma kun yi magana a wata zanga-zangar Extinction Rebellion. Kuma muna so mu kunna shirin bidiyo.
GARI THUNBERG: A yanzu muna fuskantar matsalar wanzuwa, matsalar yanayi da rikicin muhalli, waɗanda ba a taɓa ɗaukar su a matsayin rikici ba. An yi watsi da su shekaru da yawa. Kuma a tsawon lokaci, ’yan siyasa da masu rike da madafun iko sun yi nisa ba tare da yin komai ba don yakar matsalar yanayi da matsalar muhalli. Amma za mu tabbatar da cewa ba za su ƙara samun nasara ba.
AMY GOODMAN: Greta, akwai ku, kuna magana da ƙungiya a Ƙarƙashin Ƙarfafawa. Wannan rukunin yana tsarawa ne kawai lokacin da muke Poland. Sun kasance a can a Biritaniya, sun fara nuna kansu a wurare kamar hedkwatar ExxonMobil da sauran wurare. Shin za ku iya magana kan muhimmancin wannan yunkuri?
GARI THUNBERG: Ee. Ina nufin, Tawayen Ƙarfafawa ya yi tasiri mai yawa, ina tsammanin, a kan muhawararmu, musamman a Turai, watakila ba a nan ba, amma suna amfani da rashin biyayya, saboda suna cewa, kamar, "Ba za mu yi ba. ki kula da hankalinki in ba haka ba.” Kuma hakan yana da matukar tasiri. Don haka, yana da ban mamaki sosai don ganin abin da suke yi. Kuma shi ne, tare da Jumma'a don Gaba da sauran ƙungiyoyi masu yawa, da yawa na sauran yanayi da motsin muhalli - Ina tsammanin muna aiki tare sosai. Kuma ina ganin cewa, tare, mun yi nasarar sanya wannan fifiko. Yana jin kamar mutane sun fara farkawa a hankali a hankali, kuma ya zama mafi mahimmanci ga mutane, yanayi da rikicin muhalli. Don haka ina ganin hakan yana da kyau sosai. Tabbas, bai isa ba. Tabbas, hanya ce da sannu a hankali. Amma har yanzu - har yanzu wani abu ne.
AMY GOODMAN: Greta Thunberg, 'yar shekaru 16 mai fafutukar sauyin yanayi ta Sweden. Lokacin da muka dawo, ta yi magana game da tafiyarta na mako biyu a cikin wani jirgin ruwa da ba a taɓa yin watsi da shi ba zuwa New York. Ku zauna tare da mu.
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AMY GOODMAN: "Slipping through My fingers" ta kungiyar Abba ta Sweden. Wannan shine Democracy Now! Ni Amy Goodman ne, yayin da muke komawa ga hirar da na yi da Greta Thunberg, 'yar shekara 16 mai fafutukar sauyin yanayi ta Sweden wacce ta zaburar da miliyoyin mutane a duk faɗin duniya don neman ɗaukar matakan hana bala'in sauyin yanayi. Gabanin taron koli na Majalisar Dinkin Duniya kan sauyin yanayi da za ta yi jawabi nan gaba a wannan watan, Greta ta isa New York bayan balaguron balaguron mako biyu na balaguron teku a cikin wani kwale-kwale mai fitar da iska. Na tambaye ta ta kwatanta tafiyar.
GARI THUNBERG: Na zo nan a kan kwale-kwale, kwale-kwale na tseren tsere. Kuma a zahiri kwarewa ce mai kyau. Ina fata mutane da yawa sun sami damar yin hakan, saboda abin mamaki ne. Kuma kuna iya tunanin cewa abin tsoro ne kuma mai wuyar gaske. Amma sam ban ji haka ba. Ban kasance ba - Na yi sa'a sosai. Ban ji rashin lafiya kwata-kwata a cikin wadannan makonni biyu ba. Kuma mun yi sauri sosai; mun buga 30 knots, ina tsammanin, sau biyu. Kuma wannan yana da sauri sosai ga jirgin ruwa mai tafiya.
AMY GOODMAN: Kuma me ya kasance kamar fita a teku? Ina nufin, wannan sabon abu ne a gare ku. Bayyana gwaninta.
GARI THUNBERG: Yeah.
AMY GOODMAN: Yawancin mutane ba su taɓa yin tafiya kamar wannan ba.
GARI THUNBERG: Kafin in shiga cikin kwale-kwalen, ba ni da gaske - Na zaɓi kada in yi wani zato, domin kawai na yi tunanin cewa ni - zan yi kawai kuma in ji daɗi a hanya. Amma a zahiri ba haka ba ne mara kyau.
AMY GOODMAN: Ba ka taba samun ciwon teku ba?
GARI THUNBERG: A'a. Kuma abin mamaki ne don kasancewa a cikin wannan jeji da ganin namun daji a wurin, tare da dabbar dolphin da yawa da sauran namun daji. Idan kuma ya natsu, to a cikin darare kana iya ganin taurari a fili, kuma kana ganin Milky Way. Ee, don haka ya kasance - yana jin daɗi sosai don a cire haɗin, don kada ku yi hulɗa da mutane a waje, sai dai ta hanyar, ina nufin, wayar tauraron dan adam da sauransu.
AMY GOODMAN: Jirgin ruwan ku, salin da ke kan wannan jirgin ruwa, waɗannan baƙaƙen jiragen ruwa, sun ce, a cikin fararen haruffa, "Ku haɗa kan kimiyya." Me yasa kuka zabi haka?
GARI THUNBERG: Na zaɓa - Ina nufin, sun ba ni dama, kamar, “Za ku iya rubuta wani abu akan jirgin ruwa idan kuna so. Muna yin sabbin jiragen ruwa. Kuma idan kuna so, kuna iya rubuta wani abu a kansu. Sai na yi tunani, "Ee." Kuma ya kasance - ban sani ba. Na zabe shi ne saboda abin da nake so mutane su yi ke nan. Ina son mutane su haɗu a bayan kimiyya, domin ba ni ba - duk abin da nake gaya wa mutane su yi shi ne su haɗa kai a bayan kimiyya. Kuma abin da ya kamata mu gane ke nan, abin da ya kamata mu yi ke nan a yanzu.
AMY GOODMAN: Bari in tambaye ku game da a New York Times op-ed yanki, shafi a ciki The New York Times, wanda Christopher Caldwell ya rubuta. Yana da taken "Matsalar da Greta Thunberg's Climate Activism: Hanyarta mai tsaurin ra'ayi ta yi hannun riga da dimokuradiyya." Caldwell ya rubuta, "A al'ada Ms. Thunberg ba za ta cancanci yin muhawara a dandalin dimokuradiyya ba." Ya karasa labarinsa da cewa, “Dimokradiyya sau da yawa tana kira a jira da gani. Hakuri na iya zama babban darajar dimokuradiyya. Sauyin yanayi lamari ne mai tsanani. Amma a ce, ‘Ba za mu iya jira ba,’ shi ne gayyatar matsala kamar kabari,” in ji shi. Greta Thunberg, idan za ku iya mayar da martani ga Christopher Caldwell.
GARI THUNBERG: Babu abin da zan iya ce musu. Kawai ku hada kai a bayan kimiyya. Ba ni ne ke faɗin waɗannan abubuwan ba. Ba ni ne wanda ya kamata mu saurara ba. Kuma ina faɗin haka koyaushe. Na ce muna bukatar mu saurari masana kimiyya.
AMY GOODMAN: Ya karasa da cewa sai mun jira.
GARI THUNBERG: Eh, mun jira shekaru 30. Kuma ina tsammanin mun yi haƙuri kuma muna jira muna gani a cikin shekaru 30. Kuma ina tsammanin lokaci ya yi da za a gane gaggawar matsalar da yin wani abu.
AMY GOODMAN: Yana iya girgiza mutane da suka ji cewa ana zagin ku akan Twitter - kuma miliyoyin mutane suna yabon ku zuwa sama. Amma me kuke tunanin hakan ke nufi idan aka zage ku?
GARI THUNBERG: Ina nufin, kuna iya ganin ta ta hanyoyi daban-daban. Hakika, abin baƙin ciki ne cewa mutane suna kashe lokacinsu don yin wannan, lokacin da za su iya yin wani abu mai kyau maimakon. Amma kuna iya ganin shi a matsayin wani abu mai kyau, wanda ke nufin cewa kuna da tasiri, cewa waɗannan mutane suna jin kamar suna barazanar ku. Kuma wannan yana nufin kun kawo canji. Kuma ina ganin wannan yunkuri ya kawo sauyi; in ba haka ba, ba za su yi amfani da lokacinsu wajen neman bata mana suna da kuma yi mana ba'a ba.
AMY GOODMAN: Ina so in yi magana game da harin da ake kaiwa masu fafutukar yanayi. Ina so in mayar da babbar kwamishiniyar Majalisar Dinkin Duniya mai kula da hakkin dan Adam, Michelle Bachelet, tsohuwar shugabar kasar Chile, tana magana kan hare-haren da ake kaiwa masu fafutukar yanayi, ciki har da ku.
MICHELLE BACHELET: Ofishin da masu aiko da rahotanni na musamman sun lura da hare-haren da ake kaiwa masu kare hakkin dan adam a kusan kowane yanki, musamman a Latin Amurka. Na ji takaicin wannan tashin hankalin, da kuma hare-haren baki da ake yi wa matasa masu fafutuka, irin su Greta Thunberg da sauransu, wadanda ke ba da goyon baya don rigakafin cutar da tsararrakinsu. Bukatun da masu kare muhalli da masu fafutuka suka yi suna da tursasawa, kuma ya kamata mu mutunta, karewa da kuma cika haƙƙinsu.
AMY GOODMAN: Don haka ita ce Michelle Bachelet, yanzu babbar kwamishiniyar Majalisar Dinkin Duniya ta kare hakkin dan Adam. Ita ce shugabar kasar Chile, wadda za ta karbi bakuncin taron kolin sauyin yanayi na MDD, wato COP25, a watan Disamba, inda Greta zai kasance. Brazil za ta kasance, amma sun janye gayyatar da suka yi na karbar bakuncin gasar Cop, saboda dama-dama na canjin yanayi na musun Shugaba Jair Bolsonaro. Greta, idan za ku iya magana game da abin da Michelle Bachelet ta ce? Ta ware ku, tana magana game da masu fafutukar yanayi da kai musu hari, amma yawancin masu fafutukar yanayi suna jin an kewaye su. Sannan kuma ku yi magana game da shirye-shiryenku kafin zuwan COP25, taron kolin Majalisar Dinkin Duniya, yayin da kuke kan hanyar ku ta Amurka.
GARI THUNBERG: Ee. Ana kai wa masu fafutukar kare yanayi da muhalli da dama hari, kuma ana kai musu hari, a wasu lokutan ma, ana kashe su. Don haka ba ni ne wanda ya kamata mu mai da hankali a kai ba a cikin wadannan lokuta. Kuma kawai abin ban tsoro ne cewa kuna ƙoƙarin tsayawa don wani abu da ya kamata a ɗauka da sauƙi - duniya mai rai da yanayin aiki - kuma ba abin mamaki ba ne don ganin abin da wasu mutane za su shiga. Kuma, hakika, na san da yawa, ’yan fafutuka, matasa masu fafutuka musamman, wadanda ake kai wa hari a yanar gizo ana yi musu karya da izgili, wani lokacin zababbun jami’ai da ’yan jarida masu daraja. Kuma ban fahimci yadda za ku iya kaiwa wani hari ba.
Kuma, ina nufin, wani lokacin waɗannan masu fafutuka suna samun baƙin ciki saboda hakan. Kuma wannan, ba shakka, yana tasiri su ta hanyar da suke jin kamar ba za su iya ci gaba ba. Kuma shi ne, ba shakka, abin da suke so; manufar wadannan hare-haren kenan. Don haka, ni kawai, da sauran masu fafutuka masu goyon baya, muna goyon bayan juna. Dole ne mu yi wa juna ta’aziyya kuma mu kasance tare da juna kuma mu ce, kamar, “Kada ku damu da waɗannan mutane, domin duk abin da suke yi shi ne su ba da lokacinku kuma su gajiyar da ku. wannan kuma don sa ku so ku daina, saboda abin da kuke yi yana da kyau a zahiri."
AMY GOODMAN: Kwanan nan kun yi tweeting cewa ma'aikatan Amazon, 900 daga cikinsu, suna zaune a Seattle - wannan shine karo na farko - za su kuma yi yajin aiki a ranar 20 ga Satumba.
GARI THUNBERG: Yeah.
AMY GOODMAN: Menene ma'anar hakan a gare ku?
GARI THUNBERG: A gare ni da ƙungiyar, yana da ma'ana sosai, domin muna da ƙungiyoyi masu yawa waɗanda ke shirin yajin aiki, don haka, ina nufin, manya suna yajin aiki daga aikinsu. Kuma wannan yana da matukar mahimmanci don nuna cewa wannan shine irin wannan - wannan ba kawai ga yara ko matasa ba. Wannan na kowa ne. Kuma abin da muke yi, ba mu, ba shakka - Ina nufin, muna ɗaukar hankali don rushe tsarin, don haifar da hankali. Kuma ina fatan za a yi kyau.
AMY GOODMAN: Don haka bari mu yi magana game da abin da kuke yi a cikin kwanakin nan masu zuwa. Kuna gangara zuwa Washington, D.C., babban birnin ƙasar. Ranar Juma'a, menene shirin ku? Juma’a, 13 ga Satumba.
GARI THUNBERG: Ee. A ranar Juma'a, zan je - wannan Juma'a 13 ga wata, zan shiga yajin aikin makaranta don yanayi a wajen fadar White House a Washington, D.C. Kuma ni -
AMY GOODMAN: Kuna zanga-zangar kowane mako a ranar Juma'a?
GARI THUNBERG: Ee.
AMY GOODMAN: Duk inda kuke a duniya?
GARI THUNBERG: Haka ne, har ma a kan jirgin ruwa. A duk mako, ko ina ne, ranar Juma’a, zan yi zanga-zanga da muzaharar yanayi, a wajen majalisa ko ginin karamar hukuma ko zauren gari ko wani abu.
AMY GOODMAN: Don haka, a ranar 13th, kuna yin shi a gaban Fadar White House.
GARI THUNBERG: Ee.
AMY GOODMAN: Lokacin da kuka sauka a makon da ya gabata, kun sauka a yammacin Laraba. Juma'a, kun kasance a gaban Majalisar Dinkin Duniya.
GARI THUNBERG: Yeah.
AMY GOODMAN: Tare da wadanda ka zaburar da su, wadanda suka shafe makonni suna zanga-zanga a gaban Majalisar Dinkin Duniya, kusan shekara guda. Don haka sai ku yi magana game da mako mai zuwa, Satumba 20th, menene tsare-tsaren ku da menene tsare-tsaren mutane a duniya.
GARI THUNBERG: Ee. A ranar 20 ga wata, muna shirin wani sabon yajin aiki na duniya. Kuma muna kira ga mutane na kowane zamani su zo tare da mu, ba kawai yara ba. Manya suna, ba shakka, maraba, haka nan, don yajin aiki daga aikinsu. Don haka, zan kasance a New York ranar 20 ga Satumba don shiga yajin aikin a nan. Sa'an nan kuma, a ranar 27, akwai kuma yajin aikin duniya.
AMY GOODMAN: Sannan a karshe, a watan Disamba, za ku kai ga taron kolin sauyin yanayi na MDD a kasar Chile. Yi magana game da tafiyar da kuke shirin yi tsakanin Satumba da Disamba.
GARI THUNBERG: Ee. A watan Disamba, Ina shirin zuwa COP25, wanda ke Santiago. Don haka, yana da nisa sosai daga nan, don haka dole ne in tabbatar da tafiya akan lokaci kuma in yi tafiya ta cikin nahiyar Arewa da Kudancin Amurka, kuma tabbas zan yi tafiya zuwa ɗan lokaci inda yake da wuyar tafiya. Sannan zan kasance a can. Kuma ban san ainihin abin da zan yi a can ba, amma an gayyace ni in yi magana a can. Sannan, bayan haka, za mu ga abin da nake yi.
AMY GOODMAN: Kuma a ƙarshe, saƙonku zuwa ga matasa, watakila mutanen da ba su yi zabe ba — gaskiya ne — amma suna samun matsayinsu a duniya? Me za ku ce da su? Kuma kuna iya duba kai tsaye cikin kyamarar.
GARI THUNBERG: Sakona ga matasan duniya shi ne, a halin yanzu muna fuskantar wani mawuyacin hali, ina nufin, yanayin yanayi da yanayin muhalli, kuma zai yi tasiri mai yawa ga rayuwarmu a nan gaba, amma kuma a yanzu, musamman ma masu rauni. al'ummai. Kuma ina ganin ya kamata mu farka, mu ma mu yi kokarin tada manya, domin su ne – tsaransu su ne ke da alhakin wannan rikicin, kuma muna bukatar mu yi musu hisabi. Muna bukatar mu dora wa mutanen da ke kan madafun iko alhakin abin da suke yi mana da al’ummomi masu zuwa da sauran nau’in halittu masu rai a doron kasa. Kuma muna bukatar mu yi fushi kuma mu fahimci abin da ke cikin hadari. Sa'an nan kuma muna buƙatar mu canza wannan fushin zuwa aiki kuma mu tsaya tare da haɗin kai kuma kada mu yi kasala.
AMY GOODMAN: Wata yarinya ‘yar shekara 16 mai fafutukar ganin sauyin yanayi ta Sweden Greta Thunberg a cikin hirarta ta farko da ta yi na yada labarai a nan Amurka. Za ta yi zanga-zanga a gaban fadar White House ranar Juma'a, sannan za ta shiga yajin aikin yanayi na duniya ranar Juma'a, 20 ga Satumba, a nan New York. A ranar Litinin, 23 ga Satumba, za ta yi jawabi a babban taron Majalisar Dinkin Duniya a babban taron Majalisar Dinkin Duniya. Kuma za ta halarci taron sauyin yanayi na Majalisar Dinkin Duniya a Santiago, Chile, a watan Disamba. Democracy Now! zai kasance a can, kazalika, rufe duk waɗannan abubuwan da suka faru.
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